• Report: #1146116

Complaint Review: hornetwind

  • Submitted: Mon, May 12, 2014
  • Updated: Thu, July 10, 2014

  • Reported By: nealvan — Tucson Arizona
hornetwind
, Select State/Province USA

hornetwind THERMODYNE SYSTEMS Stalked ME on Youtube Had my Youtube account suspended for reviewing product internet

*UPDATE Employee: You know nothing about the wind turbine Biz

*UPDATE Employee: Oh Gee What a wimp. Grow up Neal

*Author of original report: Racial name calling

*UPDATE Employee: It IS slander

*UPDATE Employee: eBay By the way

*UPDATE Employee: Who are you describing?

*Author of original report: Reviewing a product is not slander

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Proof all these complaints are frauds

*UPDATE Employee: False report

*UPDATE Employee: Neil Van is a liar

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion Stop defrauding poeple

*Consumer Comment: California advertising law

*Consumer Comment: Hornet Wind Turbines Suck

*Author of original report: Thank you for providing evidence for court

*UPDATE Employee: NEIL IS FULL OF CRAP

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This is my 2nd complaint about this company.  They use misleading adverstising on Ebay and I fell for their add.  After finding the hidden data in small print on a link over to their website I returned the product and made a youtube review of the product.  The Seller stalked my on Youtube and had my account suspended - Youtube apperently has no way to talk to a live person and taken over by Google.  

So they suspend my Youtube personal account which had about 500 subscribers.  I'm not the only person in the world to make a video review of a product - i used no profanity and only showed the ebay add and link over of the product in which i bought.   Ebay also had my negative feedback removed and this frauduelent seller somehow has perfect feedback - i'm obviously not the only one that has complained about hornetwind / Thermodyne Systems.  

His feedback says 8973 on ebay which makes no sense because it says 825 positive reviews - and no negative reviews - that does not equal over 8k.  Well if he sold over 8000 items he would be very rich person especially at his prices of 100 dollar items.   Seems like some scam is going on Ebay and these crooked sellers - not only are their rankings too high but they won't allow legetimate negative comments.

hornetwinds - ebay feedback

I complained his ad was deceptive over 2 weeks ago to ebay but it's still up and running - ebay has done nothing to punish the seller and the only one who gets punished is me the buyer.   His ad claims 800 watts for windzone 1 for the ghost but the ghost needs about 50 mph winds to produce that when you read his link over.  

the ghost claiming 800 watt turbine for windzone 1

the ghost fine print link over shows the hidden data

see the "power curve"  it will not produce 800 watts or anywhere near it for Windzone 1 but his ad repeats it is optimized.  I was banned from Youtube for making this information available in a video review on a youtube channel that has 500 subscibers / is over several years old.  

my account banned because of Bob Green / Thermodyne claiming copyright infringment

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#1 UPDATE Employee

You know nothing about the wind turbine Biz

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

There's no false advertising.  That's your inturprutation.  Which is misguided. 

You just started using wind turbines and all of a sudden you are an expert?  Spend less time listening to that Illinois mutant and the Missouri Con Man.  You best shut up while you still can.  

 

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#2 UPDATE Employee

Oh Gee What a wimp. Grow up Neal

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

You poor thing!  You deserver those names and more.  You are just another coward on an imaginary cause.  And since when is calling you an A Hole racial.  Manipulator.  

Most people are smarter than you.  And you were some sort of business big shot?  Gee  I'm impressed.  If you were such a successful business man why didn't you survive?  What are you doing leaving untrue comments here?  Why are you hanging out with the YouTube scum?  

You are trying to justify your claim by throwing the burdon of proof on me.  You made the claim, I see no proof from you.  Get your own curves.  You still have not proven a thing.

You need help

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#3 Author of original report

Racial name calling

AUTHOR: nealvan - ()

Your racial name calling is a criminal offense and your attacks of elderly.   I have not called you any names but you continue to verbally harass me - I only hope that your would be customers see this and see how you are.   Your claimed output of 800 watts is false advertising when you have in small print a cut & paste link over for the power curve data - that is a misuse of the power data / as stated if you are so proud of your unit put the power curve data in your ad instead of in small hidden print that you have to cut & paste - you obviously know how to link as you have other links in your ad which are clickable links.  Anyway if you want to take me to court please do - you will be eaten alive and put out of bussiness.   I'm the consumer and you are a deceptive business person.. Unlike you I'm not in hiding.

Neal Vanderstelt

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#4 UPDATE Employee

It IS slander

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

If you do a review of a product, you need to have it and installed to do proper testing.  You need to buy the product, and follow the WHOLE experience without outside intervention.  You did none of that.  Proof of NONdelivery is here.  The burden of proof is on you to show your claimes are real.  You can't because they are not.  You will never know a Commander outperforms your free Freedom 3 to one.  You're loss

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#5 UPDATE Employee

eBay By the way

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

Show your proof you got defrauded by Hornet Wind.  Let's see the pictures of the proof.  You got your money back and I provided the UPS tracking showing you refused the shipment.  Your complaints are untrue and unwarranted.

You're just a grumpy crusty old rednecl who is retired and has nothign else to do.  Unless you want to lose everything you worked for, I suggest you shut up while you still can.

You have no right to complaign.

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#6 UPDATE Employee

Who are you describing?

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

If you are talking about Hornet Wind, this is a false statement.  However!  I have personal experience that Missouri Wind and Solar does exactly what you say.  It is Missouri Wind that has been reported to the Missouri AGO for fraud.  The owner is about to get slammed with multiple law suits.  The owner of Missouri Wind has criminal charges on him.  He has been sued previously and settled out of court for $25,000.  Missouri wind still owes Hornet Wind $15,000.

Hornet Wind has had none of these problems.  I suggest you put brain in gear before you start punching the keyboard again.  You are commiting slander and a conspiracy against a business.

Missouri Wind has single handedly ruin the business

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#7 Author of original report

Reviewing a product is not slander

AUTHOR: nealvan - ()

I reviewed your product, ad, and service on Ebay.   That's not slander..  I don't know what country you are from but here in America we are allowed to tell people what's a good product and what's a bad one as a consumer - i am not your competitor Jeff from Missouri as you keep saying to everyone.  I have inquired on Jeff's products but he is at least not hiding his data so I am not going to get wind power where I live because it's not cost effective vs solar in Windzone 1 - had you been honest I would not have to have gone through all this.    But you claim your Ghost is optimized for Windzone 1 in Ebay ad and you repeat very things over and over but hide the real data.  

Your wording in your ad is deceptive - you state it's rated at 800 watts but in very fine print you have a link over to the real data.  I simply pointed that out and your mask has been unvailed.  You have attacked me / stalked me on youtube just like you are doing here.  Speaking of getting a life - why dont' you get one?  If people want to buy your product after seeing the complete details that's up to them but you hiding the data on a seperate link from your ad is deceptive adverstising.  If you have so much pride in your product put the power curve data in the ad for the Ghost - but you know you won't get any sales for that piece of junk because it doesn't put out enough to justify the cost - espeically after the installation cost.   

Anyone in their right mind isn't going to buy your item if they know about the data you have hidden in a seperate link on your website which is seperate from your Ebay ad - that is a violation on Ebay to my knowledge which you have not been punished for.. I noticed you never refuted my comments about your output of 800 watts for the Ghost because you want to engage in name calling, ad hominen attacks, and engage in character assisgnation so you can change the subject / look for a legal excuse to delete the information / hide where you are being deceptive (the power curve data) to make money and trick people thinking they are getting a wind generatator that is "optimized" (your words) for wind zone 1 when you need higher than wind zone 1 winds for it to be a practical investment / competitive to solar energy.     

I asked you on Ebay several questions in regards to installation which you ignored but somehow you have the energy to stalk me online for reviewing your product / service on Ebay and do all this character assassination attacks rather than talk about the product or your service / business practices.   I don't have to accept deliverly of your product if you are lying / being deceptive and you already lost on Paypal for the refund.  You should pay me for my other losses though which include running around to buy stuff to do the install that tower.  I wasted several days of going to Lowes in preperation to do the install and i have the reciepts to prove it and i also go stuck with a bridge rectifier you told me to get.  I rural territory and I don't apperciate being decieved.    

Your the kind of person that doesn't care what you do to people as long as you make your money.  This is supposed to be about alternative energy and getting off the grid - not deception and making lots of money.   That may your goal but i'm trying to get off the grid and save money.  You really should be ashamed of yourself but obviously you have no shame and showed the world that by your name calling and stalking which is all documented and your ip address is logged for law enforcement.  

Neal Vanderstelt 

of Tucson, AZ

purchased a 800 watt Wind Ghost on my Birthday in April of 2014 but his hidden data shows i would be lucky to light a light bulb in Wind Zone 1 - he claims it optimized for wind zone 1 in his ad and he is removing my reviews from online by claiming copyright infringment for example for showing links or pictures of his product in my reviews.   The average wind in Tucson is 9 mph it will not even product 100 watts in that and would take major wind to make it worth the investment.   Seller is mad i reviewed his product I purchased on Ebay and is stalking me online.      

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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Proof all these complaints are frauds

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

The attachments prove these claims are a fraud.  This is an act of a competitor trying to discredit his competition.  He can't make it honestly, so he has to resort to crime.  He is dragging weak minded fools into this so they can do his dirty work.  But the trail leads right to him.

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#9 UPDATE Employee

False report

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

You broke the rules and posted untrue statements.  You slandered just like you are here.  You're mad because you were wrong and got caught.  Classic response.  He who screams the loudest is guilty the most.

Grow up old man

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#10 UPDATE Employee

Neil Van is a liar

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

You cannot make ligitamate statements like this.  You never owned a turbine from Hornet Wind.  You never held one in your hand.  You refused the shipment because you spent too much time listening to that Cry Baby in Missouri.  You are a liar.

Grow up you ignorant child.  Hornet Wind did nothing to you but be fare

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#11 Consumer Suggestion

Suggestion Stop defrauding poeple

AUTHOR: stunghornet - ()

http://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

People if you the product form Hornet Wind and have experienced what many

Others have do not fall for the refund hush promises. This company is Known for making these promises getting his e bay feedback revised  then not giving you your money See the link above to send your account to the California AGO.You call it harassment we call it fraud and the AGO and  the FTC can decide They have screen shot of your advertising for the past several years so you can go a head and figure out how to explain to them the made in usa turbne with the import documentsstators and pma's. You can explain carbon fiber to them.

 You can explain why you think it is reasonable to advertise a 200 watt wind turbine at 1600 watts.I am sure they will want to know how 200 watt multiplied by $400 is 24 cents watt. Since your sure a wind power expert I am sure it will be interesting to see you blow you smoke which is why the Best Practices Green Power Associates have taken the time to  mail them our packet.

California Business and Professions Code Section 17500 Legal Research Home > California Laws > Business and Professions Code > California Business and Professions Code Section 17500 .  It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not  exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

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#12 Consumer Comment

California advertising law

AUTHOR: stunghornet - ()

Any resonable professional knows the advertising is a blatant fraud

 California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

Legal Research Home > California Laws > Business and Professions Code > California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

 It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including  over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell  that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

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#13 Consumer Comment

Hornet Wind Turbines Suck

AUTHOR: stunghornet - ()

 

oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

 

People if you the product form Hornet Wind and have experienced what many



People if you the product form Hornet Wind and have experienced what many
others have do not fall for the refund hush promises. This company is known for making
these promises getting his e bay feedback revised then noy giving you your money
See the link above to send your account to the Califirnia AGO.
You call it harrassment we call it fraud and the AGO and the FTC can decide
they have screen shot of your advertising for the past several years so you can go a
head and figure out how to explain to them the made in usa turbne with the import
documentsstators and pma's. You can explain carbon fiber to them. You can explain why
you think it is reasonable to advertise a 200 watt wind turbine at 1600 watts.
I am sure they will want to know how 200 watt multiplied by $400 is 24 cents
watt. Since your sure a wind power expert I am sure it will be interesting to
see you blow you smoke which is why the Best Practives Green Power Associates
have taken the time to mai them our packet as your Canadian moron would say.
We are taken donations for lube for prison and I think it is time to consult with
the man from Idaho concerning prison socialization.

California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

Legal Research Home > California Laws > Business and Professions Code > California Business and Professions Code Section 17500
 
17500.  It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.




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#14 Author of original report

Thank you for providing evidence for court

AUTHOR: nealvan - ()

Hello, thank you for providing evidence for court / paypal / and ebay.  i will be sure to print this and send this to everywhere you do business and this will be used in court agaist you.  thank you again for providing more proof of your harassment and deceptive business practices.

Sincerly, Neal Vanderstelt

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#15 UPDATE Employee

NEIL IS FULL OF CRAP

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

Ya know Neil?  You must be another certifiable cry baby.  Don't you have anything else to do with your life?  You never even took delivery of the wind turbine you bought.  You weak minded fool, you listened to a bunch of twisted propaganda.  It's obvious you went through life as a follower and not a leader.  Now your snide comments affect me too.  Trash like you belongs in a brick building with barred windows.  You want to sue everyone because they look at you funny?   You haven't a chance.  Who told you you can sue for what was done to you on eBay?  Jeff?  Then why isn't he rich?

Let's talk about YouTube.  You had videos taken down because you broke the rules.  You think that's harassment.  Harassment is what you put up in the first place idiot.  Spend less time listening to that mutant Chucky.

If you are going to run around and make false statements and blame everyone else for your screw ups, then you better be prepared to take the heat.  You can't sue anyone for anything.  That's a Horman way of thinking.  He hasn't won anything yet and never will.  You will be wasting money on a civil lawyer to get nothing.  You simple minded stooge.  The mob is using you to do this.  You'll go down, and they will leave you out to die.  This complaint is harassment too!  Who's the one harassing????   Who's the one leaving thretening messages on phones?  

Get a hobby, paint the house, jump off a cliff.  whatever.  stop wasting your time an BS and shut the hell up.  Don't start whining when the heat gets turned on to you and you lose your channel all together.  The Love team will let you go down and you'll be all by yourself then.  Isn't it nice being an a** hole?

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