Frank Kerns, iworks, PMI Coaching, Instant Internet Empires fraud ripped off misled false promises ripoff con-artists took us for all we had ripoff fraud business Internet

Do you know how I build a web site?

I use this crazy method that nobody here ever seems to think of! It's totally off the wall!

No, I don't pay someone $5,000 to coach me! No, I don't pay a web developer $5,000 to write HTML code for me!

Instead, I go over to my local library. I check out 5 books on web site creation and development. Then, I go home and read them. The following week, I fire up Frontpage and put what I read into use. Boom, 4 hours later, instant web site.

Then, I go to yahoo and buy hosting for $15 a month. Boom, online and in business!

Now, how hard was that?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not recomending that anyone should actually build a web site. There are little or no riches to be found on the internet. By the time to pay for big bandwidth, and top listing fees, you end up with a ton of overhead. You need a merchant account to process your payments. You need a dedicated computer to handle orders. You need to pack and ship everything. A business license. A wholesale license. The list goes on and on.

Best of all, you get to compete against others selling the exact same, or similar, product. Froogle will search all the sites and list all the products in order of price. So, all your work is for nothing when someone finds the exact same thing for $2 less somewhere else.

Internet riches? Ebay profits? When somebody comes around telling me about something like this, I know they have their head up their Ebay.

Next time you have $5,000 to give away, try donating it here. This seems to be one of the few sites on the internet today that actually delivers what they say and is a genuine benefit to the internet community.

I took the course through I-Works over a year and a half ago. I feel that I could have never gotten started on an internet business without them.
I now make a consistent income of $600 dollars a month on eBay and have been doing so for almost 1 year working only 4 or 5 hours a week. I am also at this very moment preparing to up my sales and should start to make a minimum of $1,500 dollars a month on eBay. I owe alot of this to my coach, but I owe most of the credit to myself for not giving up and taking the time to use my head.

I took the course through I-Works over a year and a half ago. I feel that I could have never gotten started on an internet business without them.
I now make a consistent income of $600 dollars a month on eBay and have been doing so for almost 1 year working only 4 or 5 hours a week. I am also at this very moment preparing to up my sales and should start to make a minimum of $1,500 dollars a month on eBay. I owe alot of this to my coach, but I owe most of the credit to myself for not giving up and taking the time to use my head.

I took the course through I-Works over a year and a half ago. I feel that I could have never gotten started on an internet business without them.
I now make a consistent income of $600 dollars a month on eBay and have been doing so for almost 1 year working only 4 or 5 hours a week. I am also at this very moment preparing to up my sales and should start to make a minimum of $1,500 dollars a month on eBay. I owe alot of this to my coach, but I owe most of the credit to myself for not giving up and taking the time to use my head.

I took the course through I-Works over a year and a half ago. I feel that I could have never gotten started on an internet business without them.
I now make a consistent income of $600 dollars a month on eBay and have been doing so for almost 1 year working only 4 or 5 hours a week. I am also at this very moment preparing to up my sales and should start to make a minimum of $1,500 dollars a month on eBay. I owe alot of this to my coach, but I owe most of the credit to myself for not giving up and taking the time to use my head.

I did recieve a phone call at work from "Chuck", he told me that he didn't call either number that we could be reached because he didn't have them untill today. Not that I believe him, but I wasn't going to get into a petty argument.. (I had anger brewing for four days that I was going to unleash on him). He asked if I would consider a money back guarantee to continue the program, and I declined stating that money is already tight and with a baby on the way I couldn't afford a higher credit card payment. He ended up agreeing to refund my money, and mentioned that this is a merchant account so it could take up to 30 days to credit my account. I told him that even though he agreed to it, I will still be disputing the charge with my credit card company... I was actually a little dissapointed that it went so smoothly.

Well, I have no proof that this company is a rip-off. I can only imagine what I would have had to deal with if I went through with this program.. could have even been a good program. I just hope the next person that gets in this situation will ask for a 100% money back guarantee in writing with all fine print included.

I like to think that I am intelligent, and could spot a scam if I saw one. Not that this program in it's entirety is a scam, I did get some useful information out of the books, and I'm sure I can recoup the $40 I spent on it.

But when you get the dreaded phone call... they are so friendly, and have all kinds of information on how to start your own web store. They promise that you will be on the top ten google listings, and practically build you your own web site. All you have to do is list a few items, then sit back and let the site do the work for you. I as well as my wife were convinced that we would be the next amazon.com... I really didn't ask too many questions that I should have. I think I forced myself to believe (having a new child on the way, and my wife could stay home and make money was very appealing). I was told that I would get everything in writing and I would have three days to cancel after I recieved the "package". He made it sound like I would get it in the mail then have three days to respond, but my "coaching" appointment was the following Wednesday. I assumed that the three days started as soon as they got my credit card number...next business day of course..

I decided on the second day that i would research this a little, then I found this website. I immediately told my wife to call the card company and dispute this transaction (this was in the evening). The following day (third day) I called and spoke the their "customer service" her name was Emily, if anyone talks to her tell her I said hi. Anyway, Emily said she would have someone call me back the next day (on the fourth day? A day longer than I was supposed to have to cancel?), I told her that I am on my third day, and she said she noted the day and time. The next day I didn't wait for the phone call, and after a few voice mail hang up's, I spoke with Emily again to inquire about my cancellation. She told me that someone is scheduled to contact me today. I asked bluntly if I was going to get my money back and she said "you had an oral agreement", then I got really mad and asked her again, she told me that I had to wait for the phone call, and again couldn't tell me if I was going to get my money back. I told her I was uncomfortable with how I was being treated and told her that I was going to dispute this with my credit card. She acted nervous near the end of the call.

Now as I mentioned that I was supposed to be getting a call, and told them my working hours with the number to reach me, as well as my wifes. When I got home there was a message from a "coach" (I thought it was odd that they knew exactly how to contact me, but still called my home number). I tried calling him back twice, and got voice mail twice, hung up on the first one, the second one I again reiterated that I don't want their program and my credit card company is investigating.

I am ashamed that I fell for this, they just made it sound so good. I'm just glad I was able to get out before I was trapped (sorry to those that who didn't get out). I think as consumers we need to stick together to stop scumbags like this. All they are interested in is "OPM" (you'll know that I mean if you talk to them)...

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health.

Disregard the entire rebuttal posted above, by some jackass EX-employee. Below is a copy of the exact retard rebuttal, with some questions and comments, which I feel everyone may be interested in, immediately following it.

Jackass rebuttal:
For one, they give the customers exactly what they purchase. If you didn't make money with what they gave you, then you didn't put your all into it. You didn't purchase a Get-Rich-Quick program... You ordered a business from a company that has been doing this for years, and there are MANY people being successful with the program.

Just because you slacked off and didn't do what you were told, don't come here to whine about a company that has made thousands of people a lot of money. I can understand you are mad that you invested 5k into a business that didn't work for you, but that is no reason to come here and say the whole company is a scam.

As far as the agreement goes... You went through a thing called COMPLIANCE. It's a recorded conversation where the Secretaries ask you if it's correct that you are allowing IWorks to charge the specified amount. You only have 3 days because what the coaches teach you is not returnable.... If it weren't for the 3 day right to cancel, people would milk the coaches for their secrets, and then just cancel.

I worked for IWorks for quite some time, and have received MANY calls from individuals who have been successful with the business that IWorks sold them. And not to direct a personal attack, but if you want people to respect, or even comprehend what you are saying about a company perhaps you should work on your spelling and grammer a bit? It's THEY'RE not THEIR.... So perhaps you should have some better grounds before hauling off and reporting someone just because you are lazy.

Questions and comments:
1. It's painfully obvious that this rebuttal has been posted by a shill.

2. True, this company may give the customers exactly what they purchase, however, this in no way proves, that this company gives the customers exactly what the company advertises and or claims.

3. What the f#ck does someones spelling have to do with the legitimacy of their complaint? Shill tactic!

4. If there are MANY people being sucessful with the program, where the f#ck are they? Where's the proof? Why are you an EX-employee and not sucessful yourself?

5. There's no f#ck!ng way that this company has made thousands of people a lot of money, for if they had, they would have bare minimal, a hundred or so rebuttals, that proved reports against it false, or to the contrary in some way. Your rebuttal does none of this.

Again I ask, if this company is so f#ck!ng great, why are you an EX-employee? Your ridiculous claim regarding this company making thousands of people a lot of money, along with the fact, that you're an EX-employee, are a dead givaway, that you are nothing but a shill, with too much free time on his hands.

6. I have dealt with a fraudulent company in the past (John Beck Mentoring Institute), which also offered a "three day" right to cancel and can now say from experience, that any and all companies, that offers a "three day" right to cancel, has a very shady agenda.

A "three day" right to cancel, is far too short of a window, especially if consumers spend two or possibly even three days getting the run around. Again, very shady agenda. "Three day" right to cancel is only used to give consumers the impression, that a business is legitimate.

There has been far too many incidents, where companies haven't even honored their "three day" right to cancel or attempted to talk consumers out of backing out. This in itself automatically proves, that a "three day" right to cancel is nothing but a marketing ploy used to trap unsuspecting consumers.

7. Be leary of any company, that finds it necessary to tape record their transactions. Oral contracts are unenforcable or even invalid in many states. Again, many companies nowadays use tape recorded contracts to give consumers the impression, that they're legitimate.

Tape recorded contracts, are far too often used by many fraudulent companies as traps, in order to hold consumers to the contract, regardless of whether it was they (company), that was unwilling or unable to live up to their claims.

So just to be safe, consider any and all companies, that find it necessary to implement tape recorded contracts shady. Legitimate businesses would have absolutely no problem sending you a contract in writing, while giving consumers ample time to make a sound decision.

I have a lot more questions and comments, but won't waste any more time posting them at this time. We want answers and not more lame excuses disguised deep within retarded rebuttals.

Until next time, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

For almost two years, I have anguished over the ripoff I got from I-works. I lost $6,000.00 of my hard earned money at a time when I was vulnerable. All the warning signs were there, pretty banners, inflated testimonials, and professional sounding coaches. You'd think one possibly could recover once they learned this was probably a bad decision and go through the coaching sessions hoping they were not scammed for real. As soon as you realize from a real marketing and computer expert that you have been scammed, it's simply too late. The motivation is lost to keep going with what their coaching sessions and other instructions. Much of this information presented during these coaching sessions can be easily obtained from a reputable marketing expert for a fraction of the cost. What's more, a self replicating website with your name on it that sells the same information products that the other thousands of fools bought into is likely to yield a few dollars at best. Guaranteed 2000 hits yielded no takers, a vast difference from the one in fifty to one in two hundred hits that will be a sell according to the coaches at I-works. Yes, listen to your tapes my friends at I-works.

It's truly a shameful thing to get scammed. Educated people have this type of thing happen to them everyday. This individual named Logan who very well may be a solid citizen, defends the company and sounds very convincing (Hey Logan, I'm not the best at spelling, but I make my point.). But, here are my questions to the people of this company who continue to milk people for thousands and claim laziness and other failures as reasons for not doing well with e-bay and easy internet business. How do you define success? Of all those people you chose to join your team, how many have joined the ranks of successful team players? What has been the expenditure of time and money on their part to become successful? How is it possible to take a cloned website and make it into an instant internet empire? Why this tax club? What do they have to do with it? If this is such a great home based business opportunity, why are so many people failing at it? How many people put their all into it and failed? In other words, what are the company statistics? Can anyone call these folks who were winners and ask them about the company? And while I-works cannot guarantee success, just what exactly does it take to be successful? What has to be done in terms of money, maneuverinig, etc? (Please, we all know hard work is a given. Don't insult us. Even hard work at walking the surface fo the surface of the sun and not getting burned in the process won't yield victory in comming back home in one piece and writing about it.)

The truth is, I'm not sure anyone past or present at I-works can answer these questions honestly. If the truth were known, people would think twice before giving any credit card information over the phone. Sure, you can print out stats and give us testimonials all day long, but are they truly legitimate? When an individual realizes they have been taken, the motivation to continue is shot. Imagine all your hopes being blown when you realize the doctor taking care of you is a fraud and you are no closer to health than you were when your cancer was discovered months ago. Poor analogy you may say, but the evidence that this is somehow a legitimate online business venture is not there. Unless someone within I-works puts an end to this scamming, someone from the outside is going to do the job and destroy what little credibility this company has left in their internet department and the other legitimate divisions of I-works if they exist. Until I'm convinced that I was the one who blew it due to laziness, I will continue to say, I was a fool for a day, taken and now made stronger and warning those who would get tangled and plucked $6000.00 of their hard earned money, to look elsewhere. Sorry for those of you at I-works past and present if you are hurt by what I said, but the truth is painfully obvious. You're ripping people off and you don't care about the lives you destroy as a result of it.

For almost two years, I have anguished over the ripoff I got from I-works. I lost $6,000.00 of my hard earned money at a time when I was vulnerable. All the warning signs were there, pretty banners, inflated testimonials, and professional sounding coaches. You'd think one possibly could recover once they learned this was probably a bad decision and go through the coaching sessions hoping they were not scammed for real. As soon as you realize from a real marketing and computer expert that you have been scammed, it's simply too late. The motivation is lost to keep going with what their coaching sessions and other instructions. Much of this information presented during these coaching sessions can be easily obtained from a reputable marketing expert for a fraction of the cost. What's more, a self replicating website with your name on it that sells the same information products that the other thousands of fools bought into is likely to yield a few dollars at best. Guaranteed 2000 hits yielded no takers, a vast difference from the one in fifty to one in two hundred hits that will be a sell according to the coaches at I-works. Yes, listen to your tapes my friends at I-works.

It's truly a shameful thing to get scammed. Educated people have this type of thing happen to them everyday. This individual named Logan who very well may be a solid citizen, defends the company and sounds very convincing (Hey Logan, I'm not the best at spelling, but I make my point.). But, here are my questions to the people of this company who continue to milk people for thousands and claim laziness and other failures as reasons for not doing well with e-bay and easy internet business. How do you define success? Of all those people you chose to join your team, how many have joined the ranks of successful team players? What has been the expenditure of time and money on their part to become successful? How is it possible to take a cloned website and make it into an instant internet empire? Why this tax club? What do they have to do with it? If this is such a great home based business opportunity, why are so many people failing at it? How many people put their all into it and failed? In other words, what are the company statistics? Can anyone call these folks who were winners and ask them about the company? And while I-works cannot guarantee success, just what exactly does it take to be successful? What has to be done in terms of money, maneuverinig, etc? (Please, we all know hard work is a given. Don't insult us. Even hard work at walking the surface fo the surface of the sun and not getting burned in the process won't yield victory in comming back home in one piece and writing about it.)

The truth is, I'm not sure anyone past or present at I-works can answer these questions honestly. If the truth were known, people would think twice before giving any credit card information over the phone. Sure, you can print out stats and give us testimonials all day long, but are they truly legitimate? When an individual realizes they have been taken, the motivation to continue is shot. Imagine all your hopes being blown when you realize the doctor taking care of you is a fraud and you are no closer to health than you were when your cancer was discovered months ago. Poor analogy you may say, but the evidence that this is somehow a legitimate online business venture is not there. Unless someone within I-works puts an end to this scamming, someone from the outside is going to do the job and destroy what little credibility this company has left in their internet department and the other legitimate divisions of I-works if they exist. Until I'm convinced that I was the one who blew it due to laziness, I will continue to say, I was a fool for a day, taken and now made stronger and warning those who would get tangled and plucked $6000.00 of their hard earned money, to look elsewhere. Sorry for those of you at I-works past and present if you are hurt by what I said, but the truth is painfully obvious. You're ripping people off and you don't care about the lives you destroy as a result of it.

For almost two years, I have anguished over the ripoff I got from I-works. I lost $6,000.00 of my hard earned money at a time when I was vulnerable. All the warning signs were there, pretty banners, inflated testimonials, and professional sounding coaches. You'd think one possibly could recover once they learned this was probably a bad decision and go through the coaching sessions hoping they were not scammed for real. As soon as you realize from a real marketing and computer expert that you have been scammed, it's simply too late. The motivation is lost to keep going with what their coaching sessions and other instructions. Much of this information presented during these coaching sessions can be easily obtained from a reputable marketing expert for a fraction of the cost. What's more, a self replicating website with your name on it that sells the same information products that the other thousands of fools bought into is likely to yield a few dollars at best. Guaranteed 2000 hits yielded no takers, a vast difference from the one in fifty to one in two hundred hits that will be a sell according to the coaches at I-works. Yes, listen to your tapes my friends at I-works.

It's truly a shameful thing to get scammed. Educated people have this type of thing happen to them everyday. This individual named Logan who very well may be a solid citizen, defends the company and sounds very convincing (Hey Logan, I'm not the best at spelling, but I make my point.). But, here are my questions to the people of this company who continue to milk people for thousands and claim laziness and other failures as reasons for not doing well with e-bay and easy internet business. How do you define success? Of all those people you chose to join your team, how many have joined the ranks of successful team players? What has been the expenditure of time and money on their part to become successful? How is it possible to take a cloned website and make it into an instant internet empire? Why this tax club? What do they have to do with it? If this is such a great home based business opportunity, why are so many people failing at it? How many people put their all into it and failed? In other words, what are the company statistics? Can anyone call these folks who were winners and ask them about the company? And while I-works cannot guarantee success, just what exactly does it take to be successful? What has to be done in terms of money, maneuverinig, etc? (Please, we all know hard work is a given. Don't insult us. Even hard work at walking the surface fo the surface of the sun and not getting burned in the process won't yield victory in comming back home in one piece and writing about it.)

The truth is, I'm not sure anyone past or present at I-works can answer these questions honestly. If the truth were known, people would think twice before giving any credit card information over the phone. Sure, you can print out stats and give us testimonials all day long, but are they truly legitimate? When an individual realizes they have been taken, the motivation to continue is shot. Imagine all your hopes being blown when you realize the doctor taking care of you is a fraud and you are no closer to health than you were when your cancer was discovered months ago. Poor analogy you may say, but the evidence that this is somehow a legitimate online business venture is not there. Unless someone within I-works puts an end to this scamming, someone from the outside is going to do the job and destroy what little credibility this company has left in their internet department and the other legitimate divisions of I-works if they exist. Until I'm convinced that I was the one who blew it due to laziness, I will continue to say, I was a fool for a day, taken and now made stronger and warning those who would get tangled and plucked $6000.00 of their hard earned money, to look elsewhere. Sorry for those of you at I-works past and present if you are hurt by what I said, but the truth is painfully obvious. You're ripping people off and you don't care about the lives you destroy as a result of it.

For almost two years, I have anguished over the ripoff I got from I-works. I lost $6,000.00 of my hard earned money at a time when I was vulnerable. All the warning signs were there, pretty banners, inflated testimonials, and professional sounding coaches. You'd think one possibly could recover once they learned this was probably a bad decision and go through the coaching sessions hoping they were not scammed for real. As soon as you realize from a real marketing and computer expert that you have been scammed, it's simply too late. The motivation is lost to keep going with what their coaching sessions and other instructions. Much of this information presented during these coaching sessions can be easily obtained from a reputable marketing expert for a fraction of the cost. What's more, a self replicating website with your name on it that sells the same information products that the other thousands of fools bought into is likely to yield a few dollars at best. Guaranteed 2000 hits yielded no takers, a vast difference from the one in fifty to one in two hundred hits that will be a sell according to the coaches at I-works. Yes, listen to your tapes my friends at I-works.

It's truly a shameful thing to get scammed. Educated people have this type of thing happen to them everyday. This individual named Logan who very well may be a solid citizen, defends the company and sounds very convincing (Hey Logan, I'm not the best at spelling, but I make my point.). But, here are my questions to the people of this company who continue to milk people for thousands and claim laziness and other failures as reasons for not doing well with e-bay and easy internet business. How do you define success? Of all those people you chose to join your team, how many have joined the ranks of successful team players? What has been the expenditure of time and money on their part to become successful? How is it possible to take a cloned website and make it into an instant internet empire? Why this tax club? What do they have to do with it? If this is such a great home based business opportunity, why are so many people failing at it? How many people put their all into it and failed? In other words, what are the company statistics? Can anyone call these folks who were winners and ask them about the company? And while I-works cannot guarantee success, just what exactly does it take to be successful? What has to be done in terms of money, maneuverinig, etc? (Please, we all know hard work is a given. Don't insult us. Even hard work at walking the surface fo the surface of the sun and not getting burned in the process won't yield victory in comming back home in one piece and writing about it.)

The truth is, I'm not sure anyone past or present at I-works can answer these questions honestly. If the truth were known, people would think twice before giving any credit card information over the phone. Sure, you can print out stats and give us testimonials all day long, but are they truly legitimate? When an individual realizes they have been taken, the motivation to continue is shot. Imagine all your hopes being blown when you realize the doctor taking care of you is a fraud and you are no closer to health than you were when your cancer was discovered months ago. Poor analogy you may say, but the evidence that this is somehow a legitimate online business venture is not there. Unless someone within I-works puts an end to this scamming, someone from the outside is going to do the job and destroy what little credibility this company has left in their internet department and the other legitimate divisions of I-works if they exist. Until I'm convinced that I was the one who blew it due to laziness, I will continue to say, I was a fool for a day, taken and now made stronger and warning those who would get tangled and plucked $6000.00 of their hard earned money, to look elsewhere. Sorry for those of you at I-works past and present if you are hurt by what I said, but the truth is painfully obvious. You're ripping people off and you don't care about the lives you destroy as a result of it.

Hey Everyone,

I hope that this message finds everyone in good spirit and health.

Sorry to hear that you have been scammed by this fraudulent company Cathy, then once again as usual, had to here all the excuses from some a*****e, who is guilty of once participating in the scam, as he tried to shift the blame.

I wonder which one of his fathers sister he popped out of. He claimed that "you went through a thing called COMPLIANCE". I think he actually meant to say you were scammed. I can't believe that they've actually created a name for this stupid thing.

This jackass went on to explain "It's a recorded conversation where the secretaries ask you if it's correct that you are allowing Iworks to charge the specified amount". This is an oral contract, which is unenforceable in many states. Tape recorded conversations are also inadmissable in many states across the United States.

Jackass also stated "you have only three days because what the coaches teach you is not returnable... If it weren't for the three day right to cancel, people would milk the coaches for their secrets, and then just cancel". Are you kidding me? Is this guy for real?

He's obviousy brainwashed, or mentally defected, if he believes that the coaches have the secret. LOL...I'm sorry please wait for just a second as I clear my thoughts...LOL...LOL. If someone who is capable of auiring the "secrets" in three days, he or she deserves to be rich.

The real reason why fraudulent companies offer three days to cancel is because three days expires awfully quick. When a victim of one of these scam realizes that he or she has been duped, it will already be too late to recover their money.

Take notice of how many people call the very same day, only to be given the run around until their "three day" cancellation right has expired. Assume that all companies that offer a three day cancellation policy is a scam, because they are.

Everyone knows d**n well, that three days isn't enough time for anyone to review a program and make a sound decision, especially if two out of the three days will be spent getting shafted by the fraudsters.

Last but not least, jackass claimed to have worked with many successful people. I highly doubt this. Where are they? If you are planning to mention testimonials, save it. I aint trying to hear it!! You keep hearing about successful people, by companies, but they are VERY seldom seen. They're sort of like the monster of Lock Ness or even BIG FOOT.

Until next time, take care Cathy and everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. If this company was so great and has all the secrets, why hasn't jackass got involved and succeeded?

P.S.S. There are a few elements, that are required to make verbal contracts legally binding and enforceable. Trust me, there are many fraudulent companies, whose contracts do not possess the elements. Check with your local legislation regarding contract law for details.

I have put 2 posts already about Dave Espino's Auctions for income. After reading many reports here, i saw that the way they called me after I ordered the package and the the 3 day compliance and the PMI coaching falls right into the outline of all the other posts like for John Becks free and clear and so on.

Well, since I know I wont get my money back, I am going to put a concerted effort into making the website and everything else they gave me work. Is it a scam? I dont know, it doesnt sound good compared to all the other posts I am reading. And them refusing to give back my money when I called back the day after the compliance call.

BUT I am not going to sit back and say I was ripped off and trash the whole package. I am going to try to make it work. I will post my progress here. If it doesnt work it wont be because of me not doing my part. I will keep this message board posted as to my progress and to my sucess or failure. And I will not pass judgement on it until I see it through to the end.

One thing I will say if anyone is considering taking advantage of this package. Dont give them 10,000. Get the package for the least amount possible. I sent them 5,000. They wanted 10,000 initially. The only difference from what I understand is they send you more advertising certificates such as Links 4 trade.

I have put 2 posts already about Dave Espino's Auctions for income. After reading many reports here, i saw that the way they called me after I ordered the package and the the 3 day compliance and the PMI coaching falls right into the outline of all the other posts like for John Becks free and clear and so on.

Well, since I know I wont get my money back, I am going to put a concerted effort into making the website and everything else they gave me work. Is it a scam? I dont know, it doesnt sound good compared to all the other posts I am reading. And them refusing to give back my money when I called back the day after the compliance call.

BUT I am not going to sit back and say I was ripped off and trash the whole package. I am going to try to make it work. I will post my progress here. If it doesnt work it wont be because of me not doing my part. I will keep this message board posted as to my progress and to my sucess or failure. And I will not pass judgement on it until I see it through to the end.

One thing I will say if anyone is considering taking advantage of this package. Dont give them 10,000. Get the package for the least amount possible. I sent them 5,000. They wanted 10,000 initially. The only difference from what I understand is they send you more advertising certificates such as Links 4 trade.

I have put 2 posts already about Dave Espino's Auctions for income. After reading many reports here, i saw that the way they called me after I ordered the package and the the 3 day compliance and the PMI coaching falls right into the outline of all the other posts like for John Becks free and clear and so on.

Well, since I know I wont get my money back, I am going to put a concerted effort into making the website and everything else they gave me work. Is it a scam? I dont know, it doesnt sound good compared to all the other posts I am reading. And them refusing to give back my money when I called back the day after the compliance call.

BUT I am not going to sit back and say I was ripped off and trash the whole package. I am going to try to make it work. I will post my progress here. If it doesnt work it wont be because of me not doing my part. I will keep this message board posted as to my progress and to my sucess or failure. And I will not pass judgement on it until I see it through to the end.

One thing I will say if anyone is considering taking advantage of this package. Dont give them 10,000. Get the package for the least amount possible. I sent them 5,000. They wanted 10,000 initially. The only difference from what I understand is they send you more advertising certificates such as Links 4 trade.

I have put 2 posts already about Dave Espino's Auctions for income. After reading many reports here, i saw that the way they called me after I ordered the package and the the 3 day compliance and the PMI coaching falls right into the outline of all the other posts like for John Becks free and clear and so on.

Well, since I know I wont get my money back, I am going to put a concerted effort into making the website and everything else they gave me work. Is it a scam? I dont know, it doesnt sound good compared to all the other posts I am reading. And them refusing to give back my money when I called back the day after the compliance call.

BUT I am not going to sit back and say I was ripped off and trash the whole package. I am going to try to make it work. I will post my progress here. If it doesnt work it wont be because of me not doing my part. I will keep this message board posted as to my progress and to my sucess or failure. And I will not pass judgement on it until I see it through to the end.

One thing I will say if anyone is considering taking advantage of this package. Dont give them 10,000. Get the package for the least amount possible. I sent them 5,000. They wanted 10,000 initially. The only difference from what I understand is they send you more advertising certificates such as Links 4 trade.

1st I would like to correct something from my last Dave espino rip off post.
When I asked for my money back I did not ask PMI coaching, I asked the people from Dave Espino's office who initially contacted me.

In response to the ex-employee about the three day cancellation period. He says that is so people dont milk the coaches for their knowledge and then cancel. Well I called on the forth day, I did not even have a coaching session yet. So why would they not refund my money? All they did was type my name into a self replicating website which probably didnt cost them more than 10 dollars to do. I even told them to deduct any expenses that they may have incurred on my behalf. They would not even hear of it, and one person I talked to actually laughed at me when he said NO.

These people are artists. Scam artists and they are the best at it. They know every psychological trick in the book and through proper wording can make you believe anything. I give them credit in that department. They hide behind a quasi-legal set-up to protect themselves. No respectable buisness would boldly fleece people the way these people do.

As for not putting in the work. That they sell you everything you need and we are just lazy. Well, they say everything you need is taken care of. Yea if you are already an internet marketing expert you may be able to use the very basic tools they sell you to make some money. They take your money give you some basic coaching and then ha ha your on your own. To spend more and more money to set up and get your site going and then in the end you end up with your time and money out the window.

Actually I really only wanted to learn how to make money from e-bay and learn how to properly utilize E-bay. The coaching and everything else they gave me had nothing at all to do with ebay. So they flat out lied to me.
So to all of you who who are thinking about sending "Dave Espino's office" 5-10,000 dollars. DONT DO IT DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY.

Recently I ordered dave Espino's auctions 4 income from a tv infomercial. A few days later I was contacted by an individual claiming to be from Dave espino's office. They gave me the whole sales pitch of getting my own website and selling on ebay. They excited me promising everything from a merchant account to Links 2 trade advertising, and boy they suckered me in well.

I figured since Ebay itself hired Dave Espino to give talks about ebay I just never thought this could be a scam. Boy was I wrong. The people tried getting me to exhaust me credit cards up to 10,000 dollars. When I told them that I did not have credit cards but I had money i could take from a bank account, they flat out asked me how much money I had in my bank account and other personal questions which made my red alert sign come on. But i was still a sucker and sent them 5,000 dollars. They promised me 6 months of coaching and I only eneded up with 4 or 5 sessions. I had 3 days to cancel with a 15% loss. I called the forth day, i never received any software (links 4 trade and automailer)and had no coaching sessions. And pmi coaching absolutely refused to give me any of my money back. I did receieve the links 4 trade and auto responder certificates since but have not activated them yet, so maybe I have some chance at a partial refund. The coaching sessions were of little value and the coach kept referring me to such things as Tax club which would handle all my taxes (of course at a pretty good expense) which I thank god I didnt do, and I have spent money on market research programs on their referal. I am so glad I found this site, because I am going to cancel everything I can possibly, to make sure these scam artists are not skimming more money from my bank account which I would not put past them.. I want to do everything in my power to get some, if not all my money back , to expose this scam. Its wrong and pure evil to mislead people . I admit I was gullible and frankly stupid to not do my research on this scam before I shelled out the money. Please if anyone has any suggestions let me know. I am going to follow all the advice I find on this website.

For one, they give the customers exactly what they purchase. If you didn't make money with what they gave you, then you didn't put your all into it. You didn't purchase a Get-Rich-Quick program... You ordered a business from a company that has been doing this for years, and there are MANY people being successful with the program.

Just because you slacked off and didn't do what you were told, don't come here to whine about a company that has made thousands of people a lot of money. I can understand you are mad that you invested 5k into a business that didn't work for you, but that is no reason to come here and say the whole company is a scam.

As far as the agreement goes... You went through a thing called COMPLIANCE. It's a recorded conversation where the Secretaries ask you if it's correct that you are allowing IWorks to charge the specified amount. You only have 3 days because what the coaches teach you is not returnable.... If it weren't for the 3 day right to cancel, people would milk the coaches for their secrets, and then just cancel.

I worked for IWorks for quite some time, and have received MANY calls from individuals who have been successful with the business that IWorks sold them. And not to direct a personal attack, but if you want people to respect, or even comprehend what you are saying about a company perhaps you should work on your spelling and grammer a bit? It's THEY'RE not THEIR.... So perhaps you should have some better grounds before hauling off and reporting someone just because you are lazy.

For one, they give the customers exactly what they purchase. If you didn't make money with what they gave you, then you didn't put your all into it. You didn't purchase a Get-Rich-Quick program... You ordered a business from a company that has been doing this for years, and there are MANY people being successful with the program.

Just because you slacked off and didn't do what you were told, don't come here to whine about a company that has made thousands of people a lot of money. I can understand you are mad that you invested 5k into a business that didn't work for you, but that is no reason to come here and say the whole company is a scam.

As far as the agreement goes... You went through a thing called COMPLIANCE. It's a recorded conversation where the Secretaries ask you if it's correct that you are allowing IWorks to charge the specified amount. You only have 3 days because what the coaches teach you is not returnable.... If it weren't for the 3 day right to cancel, people would milk the coaches for their secrets, and then just cancel.

I worked for IWorks for quite some time, and have received MANY calls from individuals who have been successful with the business that IWorks sold them. And not to direct a personal attack, but if you want people to respect, or even comprehend what you are saying about a company perhaps you should work on your spelling and grammer a bit? It's THEY'RE not THEIR.... So perhaps you should have some better grounds before hauling off and reporting someone just because you are lazy.

I found other rip-off complaints regarding this company and the business name is Instant Marketing Enteerprises at I-works in St. George UT. This place is a major rip-off.