- Report: #824497
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Complaint Review: John Hagee Ministries
John Hagee MinistriesP.O. Box 1400 San Antonio Texas 78295-1400 San Antonio, Texas United States of America
John Hagee Ministries Ministry Compromises and Failures, John Hagee, Matthew Hagee, Cornerstone Church, San Antonio, Texas
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1. Definite Silence on Serious Race Issues especially in the church world:
One example of this is found in the Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church, Pike County, Kentucky. Here is what has been said about the issue in the news:
Pike church takes stand against interracial couples By Bill Estep
A small Pike County church has voted not to accept interracial couples
as members or let them take part in some worship activities.
The decision has caused sharp reaction and disapproval in the Eastern Kentucky county. [continued below]....
"It's not the spirit of the community in any way, shape or form, " Randy
Johnson, president of the Pike County Ministerial Association, said of
The issue came up at the Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church, said Dean
Harville, a longtime member who serves as church secretary and clerk.
Attendance is usually around 40 people for a Sunday service at the church in the Johns Creek area, Harville said.
Harville said his daughter Stella Harville, who is pursuing a master's
degree in optical engineering at a school in Indiana, brought her
fianc, Ticha Chikuni, to church in June and played the piano as he
The couple performed I Surrender All, said Stella Harville, who is 24.
Chikuni, 29, who works at Georgetown College, is black. He is a native of Zimbabwe.
Stella Harville grew up in the church and was baptized there, but she is not a member, Dean Harville said.
Dean Harville said Melvin Thompson, who had been pastor for many years,
told him in August that his daughter and her fianc couldn't sing at the
Thompson stepped down as pastor in August, citing health issues, but he
refused Harville's requests to drop the issue, Harville said.
The new pastor, Stacy Stepp, said the couple could sing at the church if they wanted, Harville said.
In early November, Thompson proposed the church go on record saying that
while all people were welcome to attend public worship services there,
the church did not condone interracial marriage, according to a copy of
the recommendation supplied by the Harvilles.
The proposal also said "parties of such marriages will not be received
as members, nor will they be used in worship services" or other church
functions, with the exception of funerals.
The recommendation "is not intended to judge the salvation of anyone,
but is intended to promote greater unity among the church body and the
community we serve, " the copy supplied to the Herald-Leader read.
Members at a business meeting decided to put the matter before the whole
church. Last Sunday, nine people voted for the proposal and six voted
against it, Harville said.
There were more people in attendance, but some didn't want to take a stand, he said.
Harville said the resolution was motivated by racism and has given the
church, the community, the county and even God a black eye.
"It sure ain't Christian. It ain't nothing but the old devil working, " Harville said.
Thompson, who owns a hardware store, told the Herald-Leader on Tuesday
that the proposal has been taken out of context, but declined further
Stella Harville said it has been hurtful that some members of her church family made such a decision.
"They're the people who are supposed to comfort me in times like these, " she said.
East Kentucky Broadcasting, which owns several radio stations, first reported the story about the vote on Monday.
Hundreds of people have since posted comments disagreeing with the decision, said reporter Shannon Deskins.
Johnson, with the local ministerial association, said the reactions have included heartbreak and disbelief.
"Most of us thought that we'd moved well beyond that, " he said.
Harville said he plans to ask the conference of churches to which Gulnare Freewill Baptist belongs to overturn the vote.
Even if that happens, however, "I don't think I'll be able to go back there, " his daughter said"
Now why would John Hagee want to comment any way on this issue in his messages or in his sermons? After all, he will not allow people who are of darker complexions or belong to darker complexion races to be in his family any way and therefore we should not expect any comments from him on this issue at all. John Hagee may like to talk about holiness and righteousness which are good topics to speak about but it definitely is an unholy thing and an unrighteous thing to keep silent and to keep one's own mouth shut on this unholy and unrighteous racist issue in the church of all places sad to say. Here is the first compromise with John Hagee and his ministry.
2. Family Favoritism: The second ministry compromise and failure is indeed family favoritism. It is amazing that the church in San Antonio, Texas called Cornerstone Church has thousands of people but let's the ask the question: who gets the chance to speak on the pulpit and be showcased on the television? Answer: It is the family of John Hagee.
When Ministers do this it is because they are showing partiality to their family above their own congregations while relegating and placing their own congregations at a lesser level. This is called ministry unfairness and no soundly balanced minister would be afraid of having someone from their own congregation (who happens to not be from their family) be raised up to minister in their church. In fact they would be proud to see that happen.
Only when a minister wants the church to be their own family inheritance because they feel they own the church that one actually sees them operating in a way to not work on raising up other people in their own church to give them a chance on their pulpit. Why? It is because they would feel "threatened" by the people in their own congregation and thus will either deny the people in their own congregations certain opportunities or keep the people at a certain level but not allow the people to break out past the glass ceiling that they have kept the people at. Such is a sign of ministry insecurity and such is the case here.
Conclusion: It is quite clear that there is ministry compromise and failure with this ministry and although there is the claim that they stand for holiness and righteousness this is actually not the 100% complete truth especially when it comes to these compromises listed above.
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