- Report: #1139054
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Complaint Review: Karatbars International
Karatbars International52 Königstraße Stuttgart, Other Germany
Karatbars International KARATBARS INTERNATIONAL IS A PONZI SCHEME! Stuttgart Germany
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Really
*Consumer Comment: Karatbars
*Consumer Comment: Learn What "Spot" Price Means Before You Make A Claim About Pricing
*Consumer Comment: Karatbars are a different asset class
*Consumer Comment: Why are all the complainers displaying competitive gold adds on the complaint page? Very suspicious indeed! What a racket, blast the competition with hate mongering! Okay I get it!
*Consumer Comment: Interview available online
*General Comment: Dream Spoilers and Nay Sayers
*Consumer Comment: RE: Karatbars Is The Best Program Out There & To All Other Scammers Associated With This Company!
*Consumer Comment: Recruiting with gold as a front
*Consumer Suggestion: The investigation of KARATBARS is not convincing.
*Consumer Comment: Karatbars is a company of high integrity
*General Comment: >>> karatbars is too expensive
*Consumer Comment: I was suspect about Karatbars too
*General Comment: This article is garbage and has no validity
*Consumer Comment: Karatbars Is The Best Program Out There
*Consumer Comment: Not an MLM
*Author of original report: RE: Don't Believe everything you read
*Consumer Comment: Karatbars
*Author of original report: Karatbars International brainwashing
*Consumer Comment: What I Know About Karatbars
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The real hard facts & truth are that very few people ever really make it big in network marketing. Almost all network marketing/MLM companies will only give you the best case scenarios but very rarely will they give you the cold reality! Very often these companies will super hype the potential income you can make. They will paint a rosy picture that it is easy or not that hard & you only have to recruit 2 or 3 people & make sure that those 2 or 3 people also duplicate this method & recruit 2 or 3 people each.. In theory it all sounds doable & reasonable but believe me it very rarely happens the way it was attended to work. At best perhaps 10% of network marketers/MLMers earn a decent living, the rest struggle to even recoup their initial investment in the company. Of course there is an enormous investment of time required as you must spend an inordinate amount of time & energy trying to persuade & recruit others into your organization.
I joined Karatbars International on Nov.14, 2013 & resigned my position just recently on April 3, 2014. Karatbars masqueraded it self as an e-commerce company claiming that they are not a MLM because there was no sponsorship requirements & no auto ship or minimum requirement to buy their product which is a supposedly 1 gram of pure currency grade gold mounted on a plastic card like a credit card. The Gold sold this way in my opinion loses value & is difficult to measure & weigh because it is mounted on a plastic card. I know for a fact that any certified gold dealer would not exchange the full supposed value of a gram of currency grade gold coming from Karatbars for paper money if you wanted to sell Karatbars gold to them as opposed to pure currency gold in another format that is not mounted or encased in plastic. For example gold that is sold by Canada Mapleleaf Gold would most certainly fetch more dollars for the equivalent weight or denomination. Here are the true facts> Karatbars sells 1 gram of currency grade gold for 47.93 Euros or $72.11CAD & the most recent spot gold price for 1 gram of gold as of April 4th, 2014 is $45.99/GR in Canadian Dollars an inflated markup of almost 37%. It's also funny but not really funny that karatbars will buy back the gold they sell to their affiliates at a deeply discounted rate of 33% less than what an affiliate paid for their gold from Karatbars. Buyback at 32.41 Euros or $48.77 CAD as I said a discount of $23.34 CAD or 33%. Why such a deep discount? Because karatbars is buying the gold back at the realistic spot gold price & not the heavily inflated price they sell it at.
Karatbars employs such tactics that their gold is the new international money! What bullsh*! They also employ tactics that everyone should exchange their declining in value paper dollars for their over inflated priced gold that karatbars sells. I agree that most people should be holding approximately 5%> 15% of their total holdings in pure physical gold but don't buy your gold from the karatbars crooks! Buy your gold from a reputable reliable gold refinery such as Canada Gold Mapleleaf gold coins. They also employ such tactics of how the price of gold has risen over the years but they never mention that the price of gold took a huge dip in 2013 falling 28% in value!
Furthermore Karatbars is very much like a network marketing company because just like other network marketing companies you must recruit others & you must buy their Gold mounted on those plastic cards at an over inflated cost if you are to earn any money. In this regard Karatbars is similar to other network marketing companies in that they over inflate the price of their product "Gold" so that they can make a profit & also pay out commissions to their affiliates/distributors. Karatbars Gold is very much a pyramid scheme because it is clearly defined that if not at least 70% of the company's product that being their currency grade gold is not sold to outsiders to those not directly involved with the company, then it is defined as a pyramid scheme. Furthermore Karatbars always pitches their ridiculous 12 week income projections whereby if all you did was recruit 2 people & made sure that those 2 people recruited 2 people & then bought 1 gram of gold per week than by the 12th week you could & I emphasize COULD be earning anywhere from $4,500 to $34,500 per week depending on the distributor package you bought when you joined karatbars. As the saying goes "the s**t hit the fan" when Karatbars released their 2013 financial statements. I calculated the total commissions paid out by Karatbars in 2013. It was $4,821,416. Euros or $7,405,926. Canadian Dollars . If you divide this amount among all 110,000 Karatbars affiliates worldwide you get an average of $67.32 Canadian Dollars average annual income by each affiliate. These are not very impressive numbers, in fact very depressing numbers. Numbers don't lie! The only liars are the people running the show at Karatbars..
I also have my strong doubts that if all 110,000 worldwide affiliates demanded all at once that their gold be delivered to them,that Karatabars would be able to deliver. Karatbars claims that they use prosegur a security storage company in Europe which to store each affiliate's gold for free. It's a little odd that if an affiliate of karatbars wants their gold delivered to them that Karatbars will take 6 to 8 weeks to deliver their gold plus of course the affiliate will incur fed ex shipping charges but when a brand new affiliate joins the company & buys one of their distributor packages (Bronze, Silver, Gold or VIP), that they deliver within 2 weeks without any delivery charge from Fed-ex. I strongly suspect that Karatbars are fraudulently claiming that the affiliate's gold is being stored by Prosegur. I suspect that the reason Karatbars takes 6 to 8 weeks to deliver the gold that rightfully belongs to their affiliates is because more than likely when an affiliate requests to have their gold delivered then Karatbars goes ahead & purchases the gold & then mounts it on those stupid cards. God knows what Karatbars is doing with all the money they collect to buy gold for their affiliates but I strongly doubt that they immediately buy the gold that an affiliate thinks he is buying & being stored upon his behalf by Karatbars. We have never seen any concrete proof or evidence of that? It is my gut feeling that fraud is being committed!
Connection to multi-level marketing:
The network marketing or multi-level marketing (MLM) business has become associated with pyramid schemes. According to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, many MLM schemes "simply use the product to hide their pyramid structure.". While some people call MLMs in general "pyramid selling," others use the term to denote an illegal pyramid scheme masquerading as an MLM.
The Federal Trade Commission warns, "It’s best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products." It states that research is your best tool and gives eight steps to follow:
Find—and study—the company’s track record. Learn about the product. Ask questions. Understand any restrictions. Talk to other distributors. Beware of shills. Consider using a friend or adviser as a neutral sounding board, or for a gut check. Take your time. Think about whether this plan suits your talents and goals.
Some authorities contend that MLMs in general are nothing more than legalized pyramid schemes
What Is the Competition Act?
The Competition Act is a federal law governing most business conduct in Canada. It contains both criminal and civil provisions aimed at preventing anti-competitive practices in the marketplace.
Multi-level Marketing and Pyramid Selling Multi-level Marketing Plans and Schemes of Pyramid Selling
The Competition Act explains the differences between multi-level marketing plans and schemes of pyramid selling, and sets out the responsibilities for operators and participants in these types of plans. Multi-level marketing, when it operates within the limits set by the Competition Act, is a legal business activity, while a scheme of pyramid selling is illegal as defined by the law. What Is Multi-level Marketing?
Multi-level marketing is a plan for the distribution of products whereby participants earn money by supplying products to other participants in the same plan. They, in turn, make their money by supplying the same products to other participants. What Should I Look Out For?
Although multi-level marketing plans, as defined in the Competition Act, are a legal business activity, there are certain things you should be aware of before joining such a plan.
It is illegal for operators or participants in a multi-level marketing plan to make representations relating to compensation or earnings under the plan unless they include the amount of compensation actually or likely to be received by a typical participant of the plan. Such representations can mislead potential recruits to believe that it will be easy to make large amounts of money.
As well, operators of, and participants in, a multi-level marketing plan should ensure that any representations made about the plan are — or include information that is — fair, reasonable and timely as the plan relates to:
the different levels of earnings or compensation received by participants in the plan; the amount of money earned by a typical participant; and the time and effort required to reach specific levels of income.
What Is a Scheme of Pyramid Selling?
A scheme of pyramid selling is a multi-level marketing plan that incorporates any one of a number of specified marketing practices that make it a criminal offence under the Competition Act.
It is illegal if:
participants pay money for the right to receive compensation for recruiting new participants; a participant is required to buy a specific quantity of products, other than at cost price for the purpose of advertising, before the participant is allowed to join the plan or advance within the plan; participants are knowingly sold commercially unreasonable quantities of the product or products (this practice is called inventory loading); or participants are not allowed to return products on reasonable commercial terms.
What Are the Possible Penalties?
People who contravene the multi-level marketing or scheme of pyramid selling provisions of the Competition Act can be convicted and sentenced to a fine at the discretion of the court or a prison term of up to five years, or both. How Do I File a Complaint?
If you believe that someone has in some way contravened any of the legislation enforced and administered by the Bureau and you want to complain, you can telephone, fax, e-mail or write the Bureau at the numbers listed at the end of this publication.
The Bureau conducts its investigations in private and keeps confidential the identity of the source and the information provided. However, if someone has important evidence about a contravention of any of the acts the Bureau administers, that person may be asked to testify in court.
What makes me the angriest is the enormous amount of time I invested in learning all about karatbars & how their complicated compensation plan works! What compensation? Plus the enormous amount of time & energy I spent in trying to recruit others into this scheme. Thank goodness no one bought the bait! When I got involved I truly believed in Karatbars & their income projections. What a FARCE! I stuck my name,my reputation & my credibility out for these fraudulent assholes! To all those I tried to recruit into this program I truly apologize! I hope that they can forgive me?
Pyramid scheme victims win $6.5M in B.C. Lawsuit > cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pyramid-scheme-victims-win-6-5m-in-b-c-lawsuit-1.2524843
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