- Report: #230534
Report - Rebuttal - Arbitrate
Complaint Review: Liberty League International
Liberty League International14300 N. Northsight Blvd. #210 Scottsdale, Arizona United States of America
Liberty League International Scam | Review Complaint INVESTIGATION: Wendy Stevens commitment to total customer satisfaction. RESIGNED FROM LIBERTY LEAGUE, BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR ASSOCIATES. Wendy Stevens past and current approach to business is focused on providing the highest quality career consulting services to their clients.
*UPDATE: Wendy Stevens pledges her commitment to Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy, Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program. A program that benefits the consumer, assures them of complete satisfaction and confidence when doing business with a member business. Wendy Stevens is Rip-off Report Verified Safe.
*Consumer Comment: Oh WOW!! LLI has a complaint with the Attorney General for a measley $115k- Big Deal
*Consumer Comment: Liberty Leaguers Leaving?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: John McDermott DOES have a relationship with Larry Harmon & Dagmar Campbell
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wish to Have Seen This Sooner
*UPDATE Employee: Its True That Misery Loves Company
*Consumer Comment: Joe Neid
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: It is not about blaming someone else for failure...It is about LLI being pyramid and Associates lie to rip off people
*Author of original report: John McDermott Exonerated
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Happy to see the truth
*UPDATE Employee: Reply
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Facts about LLI people need to know.
*Author of original report: Tim Darnell and Joe Nied
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SPECIAL UPDATE: April 19 2011: Wendy Stevens - Liberty League International remains committed to increased customer satisfaction and has improved their business practices over the years to better serve their customers. Wendy Stevens - Liberty League International is truly dedicated to making sure their customers are satisfied and that any complaints which do arise are addressed promptly and fairly.
To date, Wendy Stevens - Liberty League International has made good faith efforts to resolve all complaints reported on Rip-off Report. Based on our experience, the member business has proven to be among the top members of the Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program as a Verified Safe Business.
Over time and since becoming a member, Wendy Stevens - Liberty League International has remained actively engaged and improving the way they address customer service complaints. As an active and current member of the Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program we are happy to report that now more than ever Wendy Stevens - Liberty League International remains committed to improving customer satisfaction.
Remember, no company or individual can ever satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. There are no products or services that will always be perfect for everyone and even the best companies will receive complaints from time to time. However, by participating in the Corporate Advocacy Program, the member business has made a commitment to working with its customers to resolve complaints quickly and fairly whenever possible.
Please keep in mind that as a consumer you have some responsibilities as well. Success has many definitions that based on your past experiences, current situation and your perceived expectations. Success with any product or service is always based on the proper application and understanding. The fastest car will not run if you never turn the engine on. Look at how you used the product or service that was provided in relation with the instructions that you received. The Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program will help you get your voice heard but please be prepared with documentation and fair representation of your concern, also have an idea of how the company can fix your concern. Can they offer additional services, extend warranties, offer a fair refund or just get you talking with someone that can help. ..let them know and let us know!
*Any consumer not receiving satisfaction from a member of the Corporate Advocacy Program should email us at firstname.lastname@example.org
Editors UPDATE: Positive Rating and Recognition has been given to Wendy Stevens for its Commitment to Excellence in customer service.
Rip-off Reports investigation of Wendy Stevens uncovers an ongoing commitment to total client satisfaction. This means that clients can expect that Wendy will always work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any complaints or concerns. Wendy listens carefully to client concerns and sees them as an opportunity to learn from past mistakes and become more efficient as a company in the services she offers and the support for those services.
One top executives in the internet marketing industry stated to Rip-off Report, that Wendy Stevens personal philosophy is that her clients are a precious resource. We must listen to our clients and respond properly. This is the best way to ensure I will maintain a successful enterprise both now and in many years to come.
Another top executive of the company stated to Rip-off Report, that Wendy Stevens personal business philosophy is based on the premise that Wendy Stevens strives to add value in its services as they understand that a successful business model is based on value-added services, and client care. Wendy Stevens mission statement says it all; "Our goal is to provide our clients the best quality, value and professional excellence in the industry." Some of the other things Rip Off Report learned in the course of its investigation: Wendy Stevens business was established in 2004 to provide professionals and entrepreneurs elite marketing training. Wendy has trained thousands of individuals in that time with a handful of personal coaching clients and is recognized as a leading expert and premier trainer in the internet marketing world.
Rip-off Report has confirmed that Wendy Stevens takes quality control very seriously. Wendy has recently put a lot of effort into ramping up her support team and client relation processes including full time availability to clients to assist with any issues that develop. Rip-off Report was pleased to learn that Wendys past and current approach to business is focused on its pledge to total commitment towards client satisfaction.
WENDY STEVENS RESIGNED FROM LIBERTY LEAGUE, BETTER OPPORTUNITY, MORE BENEFICIAL TO CLIENTS, AND FOR HER ASSOCIATES WENDY HAD NO CONTROL OVER THE WAY BUSINESS WAS RUN, MAKING IT BAD FOR EVERYONE For over six years individuals have enjoyed Wendy Stevens engaging training style and have been attracted to her genuine caring for each individual she works with one on one. Wendy''s unique philosophy of giving back to others through sharing her success in internet marketing earned her a stellar reputation in the industry at large. Rip-off Report received complaints from individuals claiming to be her Liberty League associates prior to Jan 2009. In several cases the individuals did not even appear on Wendy Stevens'' official sales register nor did their IP addresses match the reports submitted--in other words, their stories were made up. Rip-off Report has investigated each Wendy''s reports and also found that some complaints were related to customer service issues which Wendy did not directly control.
Wendy Stevens began her career as internet entrepreneur with Liberty League, but the company made a series of fateful decisions that resulted in it going out of business in mid-2009. Rip-Off Report discovered that Wendy Stevens had no ownership in Liberty League. Although Wendy trained for that company she did not control staffing decisions, product quality, customer service policies, refund policies, nor any other control mechanism to ensure customer service for her associates. It was a very frustrating situation for her personally.
When the leaders of Liberty League launched a new business venture in late 2009, Wendy had grave doubts about its viability but did everything she could to help it succeed out loyalty both to the owners and her associates. When it became clear to Wendy that this new venture would not in fact succeed, and that her associates had been left without a way to make a living, Wendy Stevens resigned from the business to find another, better opportunity, for her associates. In doing so, Wendy Stevens walked away from the majority of her income. How many entrepreneurs have that kind of integrity and dedication to their team? Wendy did succeed in finding a great new opportunity for her team with LifePath, where she is helping people set records again in internet marketing. She hired a full customer service and customer resolutions team to ensure that her associates were being treated as VIPs.
Wendy Stevens recognizes that complaints posted on Rip-off Report (true or not) are issues that need to be addressed and if handled correctly can be valuable learning opportunities. With the feedback generated by Rip-off Reports Investigation Wendy Stevens has made organizational changes allowing her clients a more streamlined approach to problem resolution and a total overall commitment to her client experience.
In summary, after our investigation, which included discussions with Wendy Stevens and many of her past and current associates, Rip-off Report is convinced that Wendy Stevens has been and is committed to quality delivery of services resulting in total client satisfaction.
Read more about Wendy Stevens Commitment to Excellence and Total Consumer Satisfaction and why consumers should feel safe, confident and secure when doing business with a member of Rip-off Report''s Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program. ..yes, a long name for a program that does a lot for both consumers and businesses alike.
Read about Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program,..A program that benefits the consumer, assures them of complete satisfaction and confidence when doing business with a member business. this program works.
===================== NOW TO THE ORIGINAL REPORT THAT WAS FILED
LLI John McDermott Larry Harmon Dagmar Campbell Behrend Scam MLM NLM Pyramid Lied about AG of AZ $115,000 jugement BBB Minnetonka Scottsdale Houston Arizona Minnesota Texas
LLIers that think they can really make money---Remember by responding to this you are out of compliance. Former LLI associates that were scammed, join with me and make noise, post your experience here and as many places as you can, you don't even have to use your real name except in the Arizona Attorney General complaint and your advisors Attorney General's state complaint. A class action with your scammed amount could be returned. Maybe your advisors profit will be returned and a cease and desist could happen.
There are so many posts on this and other forums I'm not going to get into the comp plan or other details. Just bring up some salient points. If the $1500 that you spend on the beyond freedom the flagship product is so great, why are all the leaders, John L, John McDermott and others searching elsewhere for other personal development stuff? It's because at most beyond freedom is worth $20-$50. On Ebay it's only worth $8.95. Yet you are required to spend $1500 to get qualified and capitalize your business in their Aussie 2-up opportunity, the worst NLM comp plan ever with the highest attrition rate, now marketed as the Himalayan Hybrid-ridiculous. Otherwise you can become an associate at the $50 level and pass up 5 sales, you would make money on the 6th sale. This flagship product is sold for approximately 30 times it's value (1500 divided by 50=30). Remember you are not purchasing a PRODUCT you are qualifying for the opportunity to sell the sell to others. These are the statistics I should have looked at---- 5% make 80%, and 80% make $30,000 or less. See below for more real figures.
Hey Christian hypocrites, a great prophet once said freely you have received, freely give. So why don't you just show The Secret DVD in your fellowship groups and discuss Mark 11:24, Instead of pretending God is in this business with you.
Why are all the Stars with huge awards at the conferences and super Saturdays moving on to other network marketing schemes? Jay Kubassek, Mike Dillard, Lehman Hailey, Aaron Parkinson, Ashton Howell, Alan Nettles, Kristy ---, Harold Roscoe, Greg Six, Mike Leroux. It's because no one is creating a team anymore. You think Wendy Stevens has a real team??? BTW if you are considering joining anyone's NEW organization, remember they didn't have any problem taking blood money from you when they were with LLIers. Do you think they have changed and love you so much they want to mentor you to success? Yeah right.
There is a real Attorney General of Arizona $115,000 judgment against LLI in May 2006. Before I joined In Oct 2006 I was told there were no legal problems with the BBB or any one else, obviously I was lied to. If I would have known I certainly wouldn't have joined. There is also a cease and desist order in one of the states of Dakota.
The recommended lead companies are owned by LLiers themselves. Shane owns Extreme. The prominent web site lister, Quicklister is owned by the Glanville/Lavenias. The new Leads on Demand by Responsive Data LLC in Mesa AZ, I would assume is owned by an LLIer.
Where the founders came from: the best I can come up with is Brent and Shane came from Global Prosperity IGI in Georgia, you know that's the ex MLM propagating the 16th amendment didn't really pass and conned many into creating illegal offshore accounts. The founders and many others went to jail. Brent is a rap metal drummer formerly with Stuck Mojo releasing the album Snappin Necks in 1995--Some great personal development song titles can be found there, yeah, joke. John Lavenia is another ex-musician vocalist from Torture Krypt, a mid 90's death metal band with even better personal development lyrics, yeah right.
So what are founders Brent and his can't drive now without a license Shane sidekick doing in his $2.6 Million house with the $20 Million studio. If they are smart they are planning the exit strategy.
Larry Harmon and his partner Dagmar Campbell Behrend got me started as one of their Aussies with purchased leads and telemarketing using the script and I was able to put a few qualified people on the live call but had an uneasy feeling about it all. I even wanted to prove I had the balls to do this business and purchased an $8000 Liberty to their Advisor, John McDermott to qualify as a Liberty Advisor and capitalize my business. I believe that phrase is out of compliance. I believe he does the below the belt marketing calls at night now. Like I was saying I was uneasy. It's because I have to live with myself. I bought 100's of leads and fortunately for me, no takers.
The integrity I grew up with had been pushed aside; compromised by the glamour of selling the selling of the opportunity, there IS no product, all the propaganda and brainwashing, work it hard enough, persist and you will become extremely wealthy, rhetoric. They even have a technique that has you be,do,have 1000's of successful telemarketing calls because you deserve it. You can make a fortune in network marketing of personal development; Donald Trump has started doing this. They came out with Revenue Reimbursement and their next piece of work, If you can believe it is the Level 4 plan soon to be unveiled. I'm speculating that anyone dumb enough to be conned out of a huge amount of money can join and be qualified for everything all at once to do the sell of the sell of the opportunity, remember NO PRODUCT and attend 10 years of rehashed wealth seminars for one low price of a bazillion dollars of blood money paid to the scammer, oops Advisor that conned him into this.
From other posts on this forum and others, I've read and been told its possible to sell Liberty League, but your chances are much less than the figures told to me, specifically 20%. The real chances are in the range of one tenth of 1 percent to make the $20-30 thousand per month. It's been said Lavenia had a $140,000+ month?! Show everyone the deposit slip, John McDermott, show everyone the real deposit slip. That's before all the complaints on this site as well as scam dot com, Better Internet Bureau, Corporate-Review, scamfraudalert, mlmwatchdog, Whowho911 that Tony Rush is on prolifically and others.
If others will join with me and put a short statement together and post it here and other places, the LLIers opportunity will dry up. The founders with their exit strategy, they'll be back for more with some other scam though. Perhaps Selling a Marketing Marketing guru opportunity, combined with how to make music for a living with the Mongolian super man horse hut hybrid program. I will say this for them, they do have balls as big as the Camelback Mountains to pull a scheme/scam like this off for 5 to 6 years now; everyone does know that all NLM's without a product have a lifespan. They don't last forever; of course the founders knew this going in and have their plan all together for the next several years. Remember they were with another MLM before.
The really pitiful part is that Dagmar Campbell Behrend, Larry Harmon, John McDermott, Wendy Stevens and others really think they are doing a service by selling a selling opportunity to bone heads like me and deserve compensation. All they really are doing is lining their pockets with blood money, if they are really making any money at all.
When I finally did some research that's called due diligence about a month after I purchased the Liberty, all I wanted was my $8000 back for the Liberty conference coming up in March 2007 opportunity business capitalization. NO deal said John McDermott, I will have to go by the LLIer compliance manual with the 3 day recession statement. BTW the Liberty conference is really just 2 half days, with a few known speakers that already have their presentation on DVD on the internet for $20 to $50. At most it's worth $500, because of the poshyposh hotel. You even have to purchase your own food and plane ticket. I've never been, but I have heard that it's mostly a rah-rah for when you get back and do your business and of course to qualify as a Summit advisor you are pressured to get $13,000 blood money for the next conference to pay to your advisor to get that all important qualification as a Summit advisor to capitalize your business.
I was told that Liberty League has a beautiful business model and I will agree on that. If you can con someone into paying 30 times what their $1500 product is worth for just an opportunity to sell an opportunity and keep doing it week after week you will make a fortune in Liberty League. If you can con them into the $8,000 Liberty Conference purchase like happened to me you have made your blood money for the week. You got BIG Balls to con someone out of $13,000 for the Summit Opportunity.
Hey, anyone scammed by this join with me and file with the Arizona Attorney General and the Attorney General in your advisors state so that all 50 states will have a cease and desist order against the LLIers. A class action against Liberty League in Arizona might happen and you will get your wholesale cost back.
Maybe I'm sentimental, but I'm keeping the Beyond Freedom. 50 years from now it might be worth some money as an obscure collector's item, the best thing Brent ever recorded. If you ever heard his drumming you'd know what I mean.
V for Vendetta Libertyville, British Columbia
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