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  • Submitted: Sat, November 03, 2012
  • Updated: Sun, March 10, 2013

  • Reported By: lucylou — newport Kentucky United States of America
narconon fresh start
35025 hwy 79 warner springs ca warner springs, California United States of America

narconon fresh start sunshine summit lodge SCAM-Help me get my $30k back and help others from being victimized warner springs, California

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: LRH, the original SP

*Consumer Comment: Completely Satisfied ???

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: To Whom It May Concern,

*General Comment: Narconon is in trouble

*Consumer Suggestion: Reaching for the Tipping Point

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Reaching for the Tipping Point

*Consumer Comment: Reaching The Tipping Point Scam

*Author of original report: Resolved issues

*Consumer Comment: Narconon Fresh Start Sunshine Summit

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Im not going to repeat everyone's stories Ive read about narconon. Its horrible! Im a very thorough person but when my son came to me and wanted help, I became emotional and against my better judgement let these people snow me. It started with a "referral" site was suppose to be independent of any rehab programs. Long story short as soon as my son got to the center after his non medical detox he was sent to the center in warner springs california, called sunshine summit lodge, narconon fresh start. Everything these people told me on the phone were complete and utter lies!!! the brochure made it look so nice. They said had the best medical staff at this site with the best doctors and nurses. They have NO medical staff there. So I had to lie about a death in the family to get my son out of there. So here I am out of $30,000, my life savings. I have written ca attorney general's office which because the facility gets no government funding they cannot do anything.  I just wrote the FBI internet fraud site. Someone please help me figure out how to get my money back and shut this dam place down. Why dont we all get together and get a class action lawsuit against these scientology, lying predators and put a stop to this!!

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/03/2012 01:30 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/narconon-fresh-start/warner-springs-California-/narconon-fresh-start-sunshine-summit-lodge-SCAM-Help-me-get-my-30k-back-and-help-others-f-964237. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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REBUTTALS & REPLIES:
1Author 6Consumer 2Employee/Owner
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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

LRH, the original SP

AUTHOR: anon - ()

Narconon's claims of a high success rate are unfounded, as admitted in a leaked internal email from Narconon itself. Links are often redacted here, but google the name Claudia Arcabascio plus the terms "leaked" and "email". The first link in the results, pointing to Tony Ortega's site, goes to an article from 2013 on this subject.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Completely Satisfied ???

AUTHOR: Plot - ()

Let's look a Lucylou's comment on resolving their issue:

 “Narconon and my son and myself have totally resolved our issues regarding the sunshine summit lodge/Narconon statement I made earlier. Thank you” - SUBMITTED: Monday, January 14, 2013

Now let's look at comments by Jack Baldwin (To Whom It May Concern);

"The above comment clearly shows that the complainant and his son are completely satisfied on the resolution of the issue and they have no more grievances against Narconon International."

Nowhere in Lucylou's statement does he (Lucylou is a "his" according to Mr. Baldwin) state he is completely satisfied , in fact he does not even state that he is satisfied. What he does say is that he and his son have  totally resolved their issues. To find more information about Narconon's refund policy Google "Narconon refunds".

It is interesting that Mr. Baldwin states the grievances are with Narconon International where in Lucylou's original posting does not mention Narconon International BUT more information can be found about Narconon International, just Google " Narconon International  lawsuits".

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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

To Whom It May Concern,

AUTHOR: Jack Baldwin - ()

To Whom It May Concern,
 

We want to draw your attention to the fact that the issue reported in this post has been resolved by the management of Narconon International  according to the complainant’s (named here as lucylou - USA) satisfaction.

Please note that the complainant has expressed his/her satisfaction accordingly by posting her/his comments:

“Narconon and my son and myself have totally resolved our issues regarding the sunshine summit lodge/Narconon statement I made earlier. Thank you” - SUBMITTED: Monday, January 14, 2013

The above comment clearly shows that the complainant and his son are completely satisfied on the resolution of the issue and they have no more grievances against Narconon International.

However, the complaint still exists on your website despite the resolution of the whole affair and the testimony of the complainant. Moreover, it seems as if the complaint is still unaddressed and the matter is unresolved.

Since the issue is resolved, we take this opportunity of rebuttal to submit the request to remove this post from your website.  If you need more information or documents or anything else to support our claim, please let us know.

Narconon International is a reputable organization that has an active service career of about 45 years on its credit. We pledge to provide our clients with the best customer services and always give preference to provide the best customer service.

We would really appreciate if you respond to our appeal promptly and remove the complaint that has no standing now.

Sincerely,

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#4 General Comment

Narconon is in trouble

AUTHOR: RGH - ()

Things to research about Narconon before giving them any money:

Narconon is as expensive, but the facilities are known for being sub-par.

Narconon pays money to the Scientology Organization, is licensed by Scientology, and indoctrinates it's clients into Scientology, using auditing, e-meters, and the Purification Rundown, which involves many hours in a sauna coupled with useless liver compromising doses of Niacin.

Many Narconon "counselors" were recently stripped of their certifications because they obtained them deceptively.

Narconon has multiple suits both settled and in progress, for fraud and wrongful death.

Narconon GA misrepresented itself as an inpatient facility, when, in fact it was not licensed as such. It is now being investigated for insurance fraud for filing a $100,00 plus insurance claim without the knowledge or permission of the insured.

Beside the well researched information on Reaching for the Tipping Point, here are other links to get started:
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/5-new-suits-filed-against-narconon-plaintiffs-claim-breach-of-contract-fraud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon

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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Reaching for the Tipping Point

AUTHOR: ethercat - (USA)

Reaching for the Tipping Point is a discussion forum that anyone can join for free to find out the facts that Narconon and George M do not want you to learn.

Reaching for the Tipping Point is a volunteer effort by concerned individuals, who seek nothing more than to prevent more people from being harmed unnecessarily by Narconon.  It is not a "front" for anything; it is not a money making venture of any sort.  George M desperately wants to make this Rip Off Report about something other than Narconon because it, along with the Tipping Point forum, threatens his income.

I invite all readers to visit the forum, whether you visit as a guest or register as a member, and judge for yourselves whether George M is telling the truth or whether he is lying again, as he and his employees did with lucylou, the original filer of this complaint.

Visiting Narconon: $30,000
Visiting Reaching for the Tipping Point: FREE
Finding out the truth before you choose a rehab: Priceless!

ReachingForTheTippingPoint.net or reaching4.info
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Reaching for the Tipping Point

AUTHOR: Victims Advocate - (United States of America)

Those are some bold claims there George.  But here is some truth, the study you cited that is supposedly from an unbiased outside source is, IN FACT, done by a Scientologist.  Marie Ceccini is/was involved with the "church" of Scientology at the time it was written. 

Here is another fact, the way in which Narconon obtained the CCDC certifications for their staff was done in a way that is considered cheating in every academic organization on planet Earth.  I guess Narconon thinks they are above the standards though... 

Oh wait, here's some more truth.  Narconon and some fellow scientologists were not happy with just the CCDC certs so they formed their own certification agency called "The Pita Group Inc"  For a fee, you can get certified as an addicition counselor.  So you have an organization formed by scientologists to certify scientology rehab staff so that non-scientologists in need of drug rehab would think they are legitimate counselors.  

George, can you say "Conflict of Interest"?  or "Fraud"?  

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#7 Consumer Comment

Reaching The Tipping Point Scam

AUTHOR: George M - (United States of America)

Narconon Fresh Start is a not for profit organisation. The primary mission of Narconon Fresh Start is the prevention of drug abuse through our drug education program "The Truth about Drugs" We deliver more drug education lectures to teens and young adults than any other organisation in the United States. The following link http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/pdf/1747-597X-3-8.pdf is a published study showing the tremendous results of our "Truth About Drugs Program". It is the first study ever on Drug Education and Prevention, clearly showing a successful result in all categories of the way that teens and young adults change their point of view after receiving the presentation. I am not aware of any other Drug Rehab with a Drug Education and Prevention Program.

Narconon Fresh Start Parent Success Videos Link, 

http://www.sunshinesummitlodge.com/video_gallery.html

Beware of  the reach the tipping point group as they are a front group for the diseased based models which have a high failure rate in the treatment of drug addiction and alcoholism.

In the 1970's I went through many diseased based treatment models without success. Over time I became to realize that by their own philosophy "You are diseased and can never be cured" is a lie that make you feel hopeless and afraid each day of your life.

At Narconon Fresh Start I learn that I had made poor choices in my decision to use drugs and alcohol as part of my daily life. I learned that I could fix what I had done to myself and restore myself to the wonderful person that I was before I made the poor decision to use drugs and alcohol. That made sense to me and they delivered. Narconon Fresh Start is the most successful program in the world today and both me and my family will be forever grateful for what they did for us.

Enjoy The Parent Videos,

George M.
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#8 Author of original report

Resolved issues

AUTHOR: lucylou - (USA)

Narconon and my son and myself have totally resolved our issues regarding the sunshine summit lodge/narconon statement I made earlier.Thank you
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#9 Consumer Comment

Narconon Fresh Start Sunshine Summit

AUTHOR: Plot - (USA)

Lucylou,
There are several avenues that you can peruse and individuals who would like to help you, most (avenues) have been discussed at the website Reaching for the Tipping Point.

Please register at Reaching for the Tipping Point (((link redacted)))  and leave a comment someone WILL contact you. 

 CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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