• Report: #932656

Complaint Review: Offendex.com and Offendexdata.com

  • Submitted: Sat, August 25, 2012
  • Updated: Sat, August 02, 2014

  • Reported By: JB — Duluth Minnesota United States of America
Offendex.com and Offendexdata.com
, Arizona United States of America

Offendex.com and Offendexdata.com Offendr Com, Inc. Offedex.com Extorts Money from Families of Alleged Sex Offenders Chandler, Arizona

*General Comment: This is Brent Oesterblad and Sarah Shea

*Consumer Comment: Is this the same company only renamed??

*Consumer Suggestion: BBB Report on Offendex.com

*Consumer Comment: An active link between Offendex.com and Onlinedetective.com

*Consumer Comment: Lawsuits against Brent Oesterblad

*Consumer Comment: Not the owners? No control or administration?

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: I Am the Owner of OnlineDetective.com NOT Offendex.com

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Not Owners of Offendex

*Consumer Suggestion: BBB contact for the owners of Offendex.com

*Consumer Comment: Offendex.com

*Consumer Comment: MORE ON BRENT AND SARAH!!!

*Consumer Comment: The Real Owners

*General Comment: Call Terry and Stuart Neal!

*Consumer Comment: It is true Amazon is the host check out this for more info

*Consumer Comment: Offendex.com is in San Jose, California


*Consumer Comment: Offendex Victims: PLEASE SEE INFO. BELOW

*Consumer Suggestion: Again more incorrect information

*Consumer Suggestion: Arizona Corporation Commission listing on Offendex.com

*Consumer Comment: False Information

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Offendex.com extorts money from alleged sex offenders and the families of alleged sex offenders by posting their photo and alleged information at their websites and then demand payment to have the information removed. Many of the so-called offenders are not on any sex offender registry. They do not list any contact information at their website so you can not contact them to dispute the charges. I called the Arizona Corporation Commission and they provided me with the contact information.

 Also, their corporate license in Arizona has expired.

Here is their business contact information:

Owner: Terry Neal
Offendr Com, Inc. (offendex.com and offendexdata.com)

Co-Owner: Stuart Neal
Offendr Com, Inc. (offendex.com and offendexdata.com)
7135 S Harl Ave.
Tempe, AZ 85283

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/25/2012 09:44 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Offendexcom-and-Offendexdatacom/-Arizona-/Offendexcom-and-Offendexdatacom-Offendr-Com-Inc-Offedexcom-Extorts-Money-from-Familie-932656. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 General Comment

This is Brent Oesterblad and Sarah Shea

AUTHOR: Chang Zang - ()

They make a hobby out of scamming people. I was ripped off for some tickets by these scum bags.

Recent Travel Scams

Check Back Often For New Updates & New Scams


Below you will find the most recent frequent flyer mileage travel scam.


TravelAwardAdvisor.com Formerly AirTravelAwards.com

Many complaints are coming in of money being sent with no product being delivered and tickets getting pulled at the airport and product not being delivered as promised.  Owner and operator Brent Oesterblad using alias Jeff Vandyne Brent Marshal Theric Kon Todd Shaw and many other alias names to dupe unsuspecting domestics and overseas customers into purchasing discounted First/Business Class airfare. Brent Oesterblad primarily creates multiple blackhat Craigslist and Backpage ads to lure in his victims. The information below is the most recent physical address for Brent/Jeff home is owned by “Dilip P Malkerneker” and “USHA Malkerneker” which are not involved in Oesterblads crimes.

Wife Sarah Shea / Oesterblad is also very active and sarah_ Shea_assists by creating the bank accounts for Brent to hide his illegal gains from this renewed scam in which Brent Oesterblad has previously spent time in prison.  Sarah Shea assists Brent Oesterblad in running the scam and also finds time to operate sarahskitchen.com


OESTERBLADBrent Oesterblad 6534 Calle De Los Estrella
Cave Creek, AZ 85331

Known email: addresses  airtraveawards@gmail.com   brent.oesterblad@gmail.com Info@AirTravelAdvisor.com travelawardadvisor@gmail.com Civicsentry@gmail.com findmegolfing@gmail.com clad85250@gmail.com tas85255@gmail.com pv5601@gmail.com

Brent has numerous other fake emails he uses to place ads and troll for his victims.

Research shows Brent Oesterblad was convicted and placed in federal prison for similar travel scams in the past. google also shows he has OTHER current issues and possibly wanted by the IRS for Felony TAX issues . Click Here

Convicted For Fraud Conspiracy, Mail Fraud and Wire Fraud and hacking into airline computers

Below is from one of the many Ripoff Reports filed

Brent changes his business name as well as his personal name often as soon as things heat up. The previous name he ran his scams under was ATA Arizona llc  ATA Arizona llc. or Airtravelawards.com which is owned and operated by Brent Marshall Oesterblad and hides bank accounts and some entities under “family members” due to criminal IRS issues. Brent has been in many lawsuits and has been convicted of conspiracy, mail fraud and wire fraud involving  airlines and the dishonest methods or schemes designed to wrong one in his property rights concerning frequent flyer miles and rewards of unknowing customers but he is out of federal prison and now owns a company “Air Travel Awards” or “ATA” that specializes in the very same things that he was found guilty of misusing to begin with.

He recently changed the name to TravelAwardAdvisor.com If you have any dealings with Airtravelrewards.com or Traveladvisors.com be warned that you are dealing with a person who has already shown that he will defraud customers of their hard earned rewards and their money without any remorse or guilt. Even when it comes to family members there have been at least one report of oesterblad him bilking tens of thousands of dollars from his close family members and simply walking away.

Any information, contact or if you have been ripped off by Brent Oesterblad or Sarah Shea you are encouraged to notify authorities in your area and also call the airlines immediately and disclose all of the information you have such as phone numbers and email addresses. Please place this alert wherever possible such as message boards to alert others of his activities. Brent Oesterblad is believed to be prohibited from participating in the selling of frequent flyer miles due to his federal conviction and imprisonment. Violation may in fact place him back in prison.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Is this the same company only renamed??

AUTHOR: Richie Rich - (United States of America)

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

BBB Report on Offendex.com


The link below will take you to the offendex.com listing with the Arizona Better Business Bureau. The report was filed on 11/5/2012, so they have "no rating" on offendex.com and no complaints, yet. They do not list who the owner is and they only list the fax number, which is the same information you can get from the offendex website.



Here is the link to their BBB listing:



Everything listed below is taken from the BBB website. The only exception, is I typed (fax) next to their phone number, because if you call that number, you will not get anyone, only their fax machine.
Everything else is 100% taken from the Arizona BBB website listing


BBB Business Review

This Business is not BBB accredited

Phone: (800) 735-2567
23623 N Scottsdale Rd #D3-218,

Scottsdale, AZ 85255

On a scale of A+ to F

BBB Accreditation
This business is not BBB accredited.

Businesses are under no obligation to seek BBB accreditation, and some businesses are not accredited because they have not sought BBB accreditation.

To be accredited by BBB, a business must apply for accreditation and BBB must determine that the business meets BBB accreditation standards, which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses must pay a fee for accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the public.

Reason for Rating
BBB does not have sufficient information to issue a rating on this business.

Customer Complaints Summary

0 complaints
closed with BBB in last 3 years |  0
closed in last 12 months

Complaint Type

Total Closed Complaints

Advertising/Sales Issues 0
Billing/Collection Issues 0
Delivery Issues 0
Guarantee/Warranty Issues 0
Problems with Product/Service 0
Total Closed Complaints 0
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#4 Consumer Comment

An active link between Offendex.com and Onlinedetective.com

AUTHOR: Larry - (United States of America)

Look at it all the way through, top to bottom   http://http//domainsigma.com/whois/offendex.com . Seems the two sites are linked, hmmm I wonder why?
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#5 Consumer Comment

Lawsuits against Brent Oesterblad


Here is extensive information on legal action taken against Brent Marshall Oesterblad of the Phoenix, Arizona area.


Here is extensive information from the same website on legal action taken against Sarah Shea of the Phoenix, Arizona area.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Not the owners? No control or administration?

AUTHOR: Larry - (United States of America)

"The posting that Sarah or I have any ownership or control of the content or administration of this website is not only erroneous, it is blatantly an attempt to create harassment".

I find that your failure to admit your connection with Offendex.com quite amusing. Due to everything I have seen in the last two months I find quite the contrary. I admit I was skeptical at first but when you see and weigh all the facts you have much more than just a knowledge of Offendex's existence, you are Offendex.com you breath it and exhale it. Your name is Brent Marshall Oesterblad. you are the one that sends "offenders" harassing emails, alters age old outdated sex offender profiles, posts family members photos, posts dead relatives of "offenders" on your site, posts phone numbers, email addresses and work addresses of "offenders" and relatives of "offenders".

Brent Marshall Oesterblad, you are the one that said "knock yourself out" when asked if Terry and Stuart Neal and their address was the correct mailing address for legal documents. You let us believe that Terry was responsible for all of this and still you don't want to take credit for what you are doing? Why? If you are getting harassing phone calls or anything like that just know that is a small fraction of what you are doing to families out there. OH, and State Attorney General? So what if they contact you? If you are not involved why would you care? And further harassing Mike and his family on your other site onlinedetective.com, that is the Brent Marshall Oesterblad that we have all become to know. For your information Mike is not the only person  that reported you to the Arizona State Attorney General many have and not just the Attorney General but also the FBI because you are clearly taking it upon yourself to harass, extort and basically create smear campaigns against some that got into arguments with you over the removal of information. what you are doing is wrong and illegal, I guess I can't blame you for wanting to distance yourself from Offendex.com at this point.  
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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

I Am the Owner of OnlineDetective.com NOT Offendex.com

AUTHOR: Brent - (United States of America)

My name is Brent Oesterblad. I am an owner of OnlineDetective.com. I am NOT the owner of Offendex.com on any level. People that think they can harass and intimidate with phone calls, emails and filing reports with the BBB and the AZ Attorney General can look forward to a response - with the appropriate authorities and were appropriate, legal action. Also, we will be linking all names associated with the phone calls, emails, BBB, Attorney General and any other form of harassment will be posted on OnlineDetective.com. As they come in, they will be posted. I have received the first complaints to the AZ Attorney General office from a Michael Fugate and Kathy Fugate. I am responding to their ridiculous complaints and will be posting their information along with the appropraate legal response from our legal counsel. These people have called our home phone, called elderaly relatives and children along with emails, making all kinds of false accusations and even physical threats. They are the offenders - and in the case of Michael Fugate, a convicted sex offender.
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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Not Owners of Offendex

AUTHOR: Brent - (United States of America)

WE DO NOT OWN THIS SITE. My name is Brent Oesterblad. We do not have any ownership today - or at ANY time with the website Offendex.com. The posting that Sarah or I have any ownership or control of the content or administration of this website is not only erroneous, it is blatantly an attempt to create harassment. There is NO excuse to falsely posting information that has no basis in facts  The parties involved in creating this "Ripoff" report are convicted sex offenders throwing out trash talk without any effort to identify the correct information. Just as the Neal's had previously been falsely named as owners, apparently they are not the owners either and now new names need to be falsely provided to feed this illegal harassment. Legal counsel has been retained and ALL continued harassment will be dealt with appropriately - with the proper authorities. I have been informed that the Neal's have also retained legal representation.

The leader of this false and illegal harassment is Larry Rayburn A Jr, the convicted child molester of having sexual intercourse with a 13 year old girl he got drunk at his house and the 14 year old he attempted sexual intercourse at the local Middle School: http://offenders.offendex.com/michael-steven-fugate-sheena-bowen-kansas/
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#9 Consumer Suggestion

BBB contact for the owners of Offendex.com

AUTHOR: KF - (United States of America)

The info. below is another company that is owned by the people that operate Offendex.com

Phone: (480) 477-1105
10184 E. Cactus Road,
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Owners: Brent Oesterblad & Sarah Shea

Check out the Arizona BBB website for this company:


Arizona Corporation Commission listing:
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AUTHOR: Larry - (United States of America)

There are many ways to try to go after Brent and Sarah but most will come to a dead end simply because of the kind of people they are. If you have been victimized by Offendex.com and they have posted harassing information and continue to do so go to your local clerks office and file for a stalking protective order. When it goes to court you will have to show "minimum contacts" and that just means you have to show the judge they in fact do business in your state, pretty simple really. Make print outs of everything they post and keep copies for future civil suits but getting the harassment to stop fist is the priority.  I am in the process of doing this now and I firmly believe it will work.
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AUTHOR: offendexisascam - (USA)

The owners of the website are:


These people are the scum of the earth.

Spending their whole lives victimizing anyone they can.

These people need to be stopped.

Brent has already been convicted of fraud a few times:

2:90-cr-00312-EHC-1 09/05/1990 USA v Oesterblad, et al (PACER)

charges were:

conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud

Wire fraud and aid and abet

Mail Fraud and Aid and Abet

3:95-cr-01331-B-1 08/18/1995 USA v Oesterblad, et al (PACER)

charges were:

Conspiracy to commit mail fraud and access device fraud

Aiding and abetting mail fraud

Aiding and abetting fraud relating to account access devices

2:95-mj-053133-MS 10/10/1995 USA v Oesterblad, (PACER)
Here is his appeal from another case:

Here is more court records on both Sarah Shea and Brent Oesterblad:

His brother, DAVD J OESTERBLAD is a convicted felon with charges of child abuse, burglary and fraudulent schemes:

Another fun fact is that both DAVID and BRENT have federal tax liens levied against them.
Here is a website with more information:

Let us not forget about when Sarah let Christopher Quick move in her and Brents House during one of the times Brent was in jail. She even agreed to steal the house out from under Brent! There is a civil case that outlines all of the details. It is a good read. I have provided a link to the judgment:

I have to go for now but i have plenty more stories coming up.

Can anyone say Foreclosure?
Oh yeah and here are some of their numbers and business address.
23623 N Scottsdale Rd #D3-218

Scottsdale, AZ 85255

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#12 Consumer Comment

The Real Owners

AUTHOR: offendexisathreat - (United States of America)

I do not believe that Terry and Stuart Neal own the company.
I spoke with Terry for quite some time and he was very courteous and respectful>
The Real Owners are not.

Check out this website:


Brent Marshall Oesterblad- Owner of Offendex
Sarah Shea-Oesterblad- Wife of Brent

The company is:
Civc Sentry, LLC
23623 N. Scottsdale Rd. D3-218
Scottsdale, AZ 85255

5601 Caballo Dr. Paradise Valley, Az 85253

Other Phone Numbers:

These are all the numbers I could find, they probably have more.
These people have tried to make a living off of other people their whole lives.
They go from opening one business to the next, hoping to make it.
We need to stop these people.
They are currently under investigation by the U.S. Dept. of Justice.
To contact the U.S. Department of justice:
202-504-2000 mainline or their website:
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#13 General Comment

Call Terry and Stuart Neal!

AUTHOR: StopOffendex - (United States of America)

The only way Terry and Stuart Neal will be stopped is by making them understand how their website has personally effected our lives.

I have made, and will continue to make phone calls to both their homes and places of business, explaining to them just how much their website has negatively effected my life.  Of course they don't want to hear it, but I will continue day in and day out until they shut down their website.  I suggest using Skype or another VOIP service to place these calls.  Here are the addresses and phone numbers for their homes and businesses:

Terry Neal

T&S Auto Glass

Stuart Neal

T&S Bodyworks

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#14 Consumer Comment

It is true Amazon is the host check out this for more info

AUTHOR: Larry - (United States of America)

This website has a lot of info on Offendex.com http://www.offendexextortion.co.cc
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#15 Consumer Comment

Offendex.com is in San Jose, California

AUTHOR: Name - (U.S.A.)

Offendex.com is in San Jose, CA according to the website listed below.


offendex.com is hosted by Amazon

Contact Amazon here:

Amazon.com, Inc.
Amazon EC2 Network Operations
Telephone: +1-206-266-4064 (Seattle, WA phone number)
Email:  aes-noc@amazon.com
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AUTHOR: Larry - (United States of America)

The owners are in fact Terry and Stuart Neal. They are trying oh so very hard to not be the owners now lol., but they are now and always was the owners. 

                                                                                        Larry, Bloomington Indiana
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#17 Consumer Comment

Offendex Victims: PLEASE SEE INFO. BELOW

AUTHOR: Name - (U.S.A.)

Update on Offendex: Friday 9/14/2012

Offendex.com was originally registered with the Arizona Corporation Commission. The owners last reported to the AZ Corporation Commission on 06/30/2011 as being the owners. Whether or not they still are, I don't know. The original owners were listed as Terry Neal and Stuart Neal. They own or have owned & operated many companies including similar websites like offendex.com. FIRST PRIORITY BACKGROUND SCREENING, LLC, is one of them. They do "criminal background checks" and they still operate this business. Another of the companies they own is T & S Bodyworks or T & S Auto Glass, 7135 South Harl Ave., Tempe, AZ 85283 (480) 491-9100. The address for T & S Auto is the same that was registered for Offendr.Com, Inc. and First Priority Background Screening, LLC. (480) 831-7771, 7135 S. Harl Avenue,Tempe, AZ 85283. t.neal@firstpriorityscreen.com (Terry Neal) http://www.firstpriorityscreening.com.

Offendr.Com is not a website, it is the "business" name they registered for offendex.com with the Arizona Corporation Commission. Call the AZ Corporation Commission to verify this: (520) 628-6560. I had to call them twice to make sure that Offendr.Com, Inc. was the original name for Offendex. As far as the offendex.com "domain" name, it was registered by: Melbourne IT, 35 Stirling Hwy., Crawley, Australia 6009,
http://www.melbourneit.com.au/  Ph: +61 3 8624 2300.
To report abuse of our services please email: abuse@melbourneit.com.au.

I emailed them 9/13/2012 and they told me that DNS Made Easy is the "host" for offendex.com.

Here is their contact information:

DNS Made Easy / Tiggee LLC
11490 Commerce Park Drive
Suite 140
Reston, Virginia 20191
Phone: +1.703.880.3095
Fax: +1.703.935.1598

Also, here is the "host" for offendexdata.com
       care of Network Solutions  (Web.com Group, Inc. owns Network Solutions, LLC)
       PO Box 459    
       Drums, PA 18222
       US 1-800-333-7680
       ATTN: Maria Burke 570-943-2709

I spoke to Ms. Burke and she gave me incorrect information about who "hosts" some of the offendex.com websites. She told me that Amazon hosted some of them. I called Amazon on 9/13/2012 and they told me that they do not host any of their websites.

I called and emailed Web.com Group, Inc. and they were the ones who forwarded my information to Network Solutions, LLC. (they are the same company and have offices in: Belleville, IL, Jacksonville, FL, Herndon, VA, Drums, PA, and Buneos Aires, Argentina)

I have done many hours of research and all the information I have takes me back to Arizona. If you read the "Terms of Service" at www.offendex.com/tos they say they operate within the laws of the State of Arizona and Maricopa County, AZ.  (This was updated 9/3/2012 on offendex.com). Tempe, AZ, Chandler, AZ and Scottsdale, AZ are all in Maricopa county. This is not a coincidence. I have monitored the offendex.com website very closely, on a daily basis, and what I have noticed is they move information around a lot. Like playing a "shell" game. Information they list will change, disappear and reappear, etc. They do the same thing on their Facebook page. Offendex has other domain names as well. Here they have domain names that take you to the Offendex website: offendex.com, offendexdata.com, offenders.offendex.com

Here are email addresses for Offendex: offendex@gmail.com, offendex.privacy@gmail.com, offendex.legal@gmail.com (all listed at their website)

I have emailed them several times with no response, except for offendex.legal@gmail.com
I received 2 responses from a Brent Marshall (don't know if he uses his real name).
He was not helpful at all.

They are also on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/OffenDexcom/245233492208296?sk=info
They list some of the same "mugshots" & profiles on Facebook as they do on offendex.com

Nearly all of the Offendex websites below are "hosted" by a company in Scottsdale, AZ. All of them re-direct you back to the Offendex.com website:
real-sites.org/www.Offendex.com (Scotdale, AZ), mavericks-schedule-treatments.richard-welch.info/.com.htm (Scottsdale, AZ), bbq.taylor-marek.info/Offendex.htm (Scottsdale, AZ), middle-east.zox-pro-memory.info/Art/Offendex.htm (Scottsdale, AZ), christopher-sia.info/Offendex. (Scottsdale, AZ) and webexllc.cbfeed.com (the Netherlands)

Here is contact info. for the "host" of the above websites:
Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains, LLC
Registrant Organization:Domains By Proxy, LLC
14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Ph: (480)624-2599, Fax: (480)624-2598

Here is the info. for the Netherlands website:
Contact:Mark Boesveld
Gasfabriekstraat 25
6971 ZK Brummen, NL
Ph: +31 31612621666

Host website:
Hostmaster Strato Ag
Strato AG
Pascalstr. 10
Berlin, DE (Germany) 10587 +49 1805007677 +49 3088615345


To verify where any domain name comes from, all you do is a "Who is" search. I have used many "Who is" search websites with mixed results. whois.com, whois.net, etc.
This one has been very helpful: http://whois.domaintools.com

I wish I had definite name(s) of the owner(s) to give to you and their address(es), phone number(s), etc. I don't at this time.  I'm working as hard as I can and will post further info. as I find it. Please post any info. you come across and I will do the same. Hope this was helpful.

Oh, I guess I should say that I certainly don't condone any crimes that are sex offenses, nor do I sympathise with sex offenders, but a website like Offendex.com does nothing but create more victims by victimizing the offender's families. They also post inaccurate information and list people that have no sex offender history at all. If we can shut down a website like this for extorting money from people who can not afford an attorney for their defense, then that is a good thing, a very good thing.

- Peace
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Again more incorrect information

AUTHOR: Fred - (United States of America)

 I took your advice Sean and look up offendex.com on the Arizona BBB site and it came up with information that a company called Web.com Group Inc. is who I'm suppose to contact. I'm confused.

I also went to the Arizona Corporation Commission and it does have Offendr.com but when I type in Offendr.com in my address bar it goes to Go Daddy like the own the site. I don't see anywhere on the Arizona Corp site that Offendx.com is the website for Offendx.com. The only thing I see is that Offendr.com has been dissolved meaning it is not in business.

I also spent time looking on google and went to Domaintools.com and did a who is search for offendex.com and it says the owner of this site is in Australia.

Domain Name.......... offendex.com
  Creation Date........ 2011-09-22
  Registration Date.... 2012-08-07
  Expiry Date.......... 2013-09-23
  Tracking Number...... 1678385394_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
  Organisation Name.... Offendex
  Organisation Address. Stirling Highway
  Organisation Address. 
  Organisation Address. 
  Organisation Address. Crawley
  Organisation Address. 6009
  Organisation Address. Australian C T
  Organisation Address. AUSTRALIA

Admin Name........... Offendex Corporation
  Admin Address........ Stirling Highway
  Admin Address........ 
  Admin Address........ 
  Admin Address. Crawley
  Admin Address........ 6009
  Admin Address........ Australian C T
  Admin Address........ AUSTRALIA
  Admin Email..........

Did you really spend any time verifying ownership? I guess the poor owners of Offendr.com have been wrongly accused for ownership by both you and JR
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Arizona Corporation Commission listing on Offendex.com

AUTHOR: Sean - (United States of America)

The Arizona Corporation Commission lists the company name as Offendr.Com, Inc.

The website name is offendex.com

Here is a link to the Arizona Corporation Commission website that lists all the info about this company.


Here also is a link to the Better Business Bureau website. If you put in offendex.com and Arizona in your BBB search it will bring up Offendr.Com, Inc. as the real company name. The agents name and company address is the same as what is listed with the Arizona Corporation Commission.

Hope this is helpful.
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#20 Consumer Comment

False Information

AUTHOR: Larry Anderson - (United States of America)

After researching the information reported in this report I was able to conclude that there is no link between offendr.com and offendex.com. They are separate companies and are in no way affiliated with one another. I am still trying to find the real owners to contact them and persue this further.
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