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Complaint Review: onyx wholesale, chris westphal

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  • Submitted: Thu, September 17, 2009
  • Updated: Sun, July 25, 2010

  • Reported By: Roger — Arvada Colorado USA
onyx wholesale, chris westphal
5783 Sheridan Blvd # 204 Arvada, Colorado United States of America

onyx wholesale, chris westphal scentura, riegn international, sensation wholesale and possibly infinity wholesale. modern day slave labor, lies, scam, overblown promises, fraud, etc. Waste of time. Arvada, Colorado

*Author of original report: Yeah, Chris is such an inspiration. Whatever.

*UPDATE Employee: Chris Westphal is a Inspiration

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Still in that crappy run down office Chris?

*Author of original report: Eat s**t, "Steve"

*General Comment: Rio

*Author of original report: Your the one who needs to take a break, Papa Maroon

*UPDATE Employee: U-G-L-Y

*Author of original report: Wikipedia Speaks

*Author of original report: You have got to be kidding

*UPDATE Employee: Thank You you proved my point

*Author of original report: Papa, Papa, Papa

*UPDATE Employee: Capitalism

*Author of original report: Eat it, Papa

*UPDATE Employee: It'll be OK

*Author of original report: Yeah, it's funny.

*UPDATE Employee: Isn't it funny

*Consumer Suggestion: Spread The Good News

* : Know the enemy!

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PART 1


Absolutely, positively, do not waste your time with this company. I thought I had reached a sufficient age to be done with highly unscrupulous people like this, but perhaps it happened so I can let others know.


Chris Westphal is a liar, a manipulator, and a modern day slave labor quack. He'd walk his own mother to the gas chamber if he thought there was a buck in it for him.


I first became familiar with Onyx Wholesale through an ad in the Denver Post. it read, "RECEPTIONIST. Fun and fast-paced. Use admin. skills to advance to management. No exp nec. Start now. 303-940-3961" and another, "CUSTOMER SERVICE. Must enjoy $$$! Music and FUN! 18-25 guys/gals needed!!! No exp nes. Call 303-940-3580"


I dialed the first number and was answered by a young lady who said, "It's just another great day at ONYX! How can I direct your call?"


OK, let's stop right there for a moment. [continued below]....

..... We will call this red-flag number one, but pay attention, there will be many more to come. I said I was calling about the add in the paper, and I was then put on hold and subsiquently cut off. I dialed again and was put on hold again, but then spoke to a completely different and inept fellow we'll call 'George' (he never told me his name). George talked like he was all of twelve years old, and didn't seem to possess any more command of the telephone system (or the english language) then the receptionist, as I was put on hold a number of more times, and again, I was cut off. Red flag number two.


After calling back yet again, George told me that the receptionist position was only one position they were hiring for, and would I be interested in a management position for their company. Of course, I said. I was instructed to come down for an interview at two that afternoon. I showed up at their cheesy-assed office located at 5783 Sheriden Blvd, and was met by the most un-professional office staff I have ever experienced in my life. Loud blarring hip-hop music bounced off the walls, and a scantilly clad young lady seated behind a desk chattered noisily on the phone and routinely hung up on people. Red flag number three.


After signing in and taking a seat, the receptionist then began to cheerfully grill me on topics like what I did this last weekend and how do I like to have fun. She talked and smiled like she was jacked on cocaine. Completely inappropriate. Who the hell was she to be asking any questions? I just burried myself in a magazine and waited. While I sat there, I heard numerous cheering and screaming fits comming from a room just across the wall, which made myself and others waiting in the lobby give each other strange looks. What the hell was that?, we all seemed to be saying to each other.


I was then taken to another room, along with two women, to do a 'group' interview with Chris Westphal. Again, I found this totally inappropriate. As the interview was conducted, we were also monitored by two men seated on a couch in the back of the room, who did not speak and took notes on everything we said. Their presence was ominous and uncomfortable. Chris Westphal himself is an odd looking fellow. He is charismatic in speech but sports two large circular stones mounted in his ear lobes, giving him a cartoonish and silly look that speaks of anything that could be considered business-like. A white boy raised in rural Africa. Big red flag number four. I was asked questions like, 'how much money would you like to make?' Duh, I dunno, Chris... How about A LOT? I was excused and told to call back the next day to see if I qualified for a second interview. I called back as instructed and gleefully told by the same idiot receptionist, 'CONGRADULATIONS ROGER! YOU HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR A SECOND INTERVIEW!!!' Red flag number five.


I returned the following Wednesday in a suit and tie and a notebook, as advised by the little miss demon o' cheerfulness. As I waited in the lobby with others, she again assualted me with the same questions as before. I wanted to yell something like, 'I was just here the other f****** day you stupid b****!' but remained silent. About 25 of us were then escourted into the next room, where the real fun began.


PART 2


I'll give Chris Westphal this much: he is a showman. If he ever cared to turn legitimate, he could have a great career as a stand up comic. But Chris isn't interested in anything legitimate. That would take too much time and demands on his precious resources.


We were all hurded into the next room, and again, we were greeted by loud hip-hop blarring on a boom-box in the back. We were forced to sit there for ten whole minutes listening to this garbage until King Chris decided to enter. Chris bounced off the walls. Chris told jokes. Chris spoke in a machine-gun fashion with a horse and scaley voice that suggested he'd been at this all day and night. His presentation lasted two hours, with no break for us mortals. After the first hour and a half, we were allowed to stand up for ten seconds to stretch our legs. That was it. Nothing more. He gave us a ton of information about his 'training program', but no real specifics on what that entailed. I could go on and on about his non-commital statements and half-truths, but the bottom line is this: Chris wants you to march around town armed with a card-board box of cheap-assed knock off perfumes, selling door-to-door, till you drop. He hasn't opened any 'new stores' in any new cities or hired managers for those 'new stores' not one time, ever. He wants to steal your time to ingratiate himself with his cars and his houses and the yo-yo's in his ears. That is all.


And I include a small report on Chris's assitant 'manager', Iris. Not much to say about Iris, except she can barely hide the reasonable speculation she's hopped up on coke just like her soul-sister on the front desk. Red flag number six.


Avoid this company. Avoid it like the plauge.


I have a tape recording of Chris's opening speech, performed durring the second interview, in which he details, in his own voice, what his 'company' promises. If anyone would like a copy of it for legal purposes, please contact me at my personal P.O. Box 361, Central City, CO, 80427 


Oh, and Chris? Hi there, good buddy! I know you are going to read this at some point, so let's get it straight: It's over. I believe you owe it to yourself and the people you have hurt in the past a serious reflection on how you do business and what kind of a human being you are. I have filed this report with NUMEROUS agencies, legal and non-legal, just in case of any retaliation that occures to me or my family.   


This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/17/2009 09:01 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/onyx-wholesale-chris-westphal/Arvada-Colorado-80002/onyx-wholesale-chris-westphal-scentura-riegn-international-sensation-wholesale-and-poss-496713. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

Yeah, Chris is such an inspiration. Whatever.

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Here's to Chris: Liar. Con Man. Tax Cheat.

We should all be so beholden to this 'man'. He has lied to thousands, stolen their time and energy, mislead the young and niave, and whos' latest accomplishment is being featured on 9News here in Denver for being the criminal that he is.

Chris Westphal is a liar and a scumbag.

Do you know what the difference is between a $cientologist and a $centura distributer?

$centura distributers smell worse.

Click the link below to see scumbag Chris Westphal in action!

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001

 

  

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#2 UPDATE Employee

Chris Westphal is a Inspiration

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Chris Westphal is a Inspiration.  For many people like my self with piercings and tattoo's that you can be successful.  He's made a living out of hard work and giving the same opportunity to others that was given to him. 

I've almost quit posting on this website because it's almost become a non factor over the last 6 months.  People are becoming more educated.  And anyone that reads these threads knows that %95 of the crap on here is from people that didn't make it 3 full days in this business. 

But I thought it'd be nice for Chris to know I'm still inspired even though we are 800 miles apart.  I've seen him in the bulletin since I was in training and he's still rockin it.  And also to remind Rio that Jan. 15th is less then six months away.  And so far this year I've promoted 3 new offices.  How's the $10/hr job world treating you?

Best Wishes and Good Luck

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Still in that crappy run down office Chris?

AUTHOR: Fedup - (U.S.A.)

Chris Westphal, you are an absolute loser, plain and simple. 


You take advantage of good people trying to make a REAL living. Peddling perfume in a parking lot to take home $2.00 a bottle is in no way a means to make a living. All you are doing is kicking back watching people struggling to make ends meet for their family while you make a profit of them. Its absolutely sick and disgusting. And to think that I actually tried to make it work there... but its okay Chris, I forgive you. I'm the one laughing now! You're sitting in that crappy ass old office, probably still got the gnarly blue walls and everything. You driving that POS Nissan still? You know, the one you paid cash for? Really gone far since I quit 5 years ago haven't you? Those new offices are really taking off I see. Real bigshot now aren't you? Oh wait... I do recall seeing you on the news recently!! That must have been exciting for you, having all that BS you spew forth broadcast to Denver and beyond! Thank God someone had the sense to record that. It really is quite a good show you put on.


Chances are, you'll keep at it...screwing people over one city at a time. To each their own I suppose. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that you lead a miserable existence of a life. You have to look at yourself in the mirror each day knowing that you are nothing more than a worthless piece of trash. Way to make great use of a lifetime Chris.


That's all I have to say. You can read everyone else's story to know what happened with me at Onyx. Hopefully someone can bring these bastards down!

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#4 Author of original report

Eat s**t, "Steve"

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Oh, once again. You lie like a dog.

(Just for anybody who doesn't understand, "Steve" is Chris Westphal from Onyx Wholesale a.k.a. Scentura Creations)

I told you I would stir up as much trouble for you that I could, and it is working. And on it goes. Did you like how you looked on 9News here in Denver? Here's the link to the story in case anybody wants to watch: 

http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001

I told you I would find a way to get you out of my town, and it's about to happen.

Time to go back to Riverside, "Steve", or has not enough time passed for you to start ripping those people off again?

What a jerk. And take those stones out of your ears, a**hole. You look like a clown.

 

 

 

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Rio

AUTHOR: Steve - (United States of America)

I've met Chris and Iris a few times, and I see a picture of you... ummm I'm not sure if you've seen yourself in the mirror? But you look like the coked up one... Just saying.

Keep on keepin on!! Haters jobs are to hate, so I guess thats what you've got to do. I'm pretty sure Chris and Iris contribute a lot more to the economy than you do. Mr. Rio doubt you pay $18,000 a year to just taxes.  Just saying again.

Good luck Rio.

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#6 Author of original report

Your the one who needs to take a break, Papa Maroon

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

"Here I go again buddy:  Yes I do consider myself a christian.  I have strong believe in christian values although I still am human.  And to be human is to sin.  And then we get into a religious conversation so I'll spare you the humility of showing your ignorance."

Oh, so it's OK to call anybody a 'worthless piece of s**t"? Jesus must be so proud! 


If you look into the root of our business and had a opportunity to meet all the managers in our business you'd find some sort of basic "christian values".

I seriously doubt it. Keep telling yourself that. 

And I never said I have a slander case, I said someone can make a slander case.

Yeah? AGAINST WHO? 

And as far as you saying " coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative."

Uh, I didn't say it... Wikipedia did? Hello?

Direct sales has always got blasted by lazy, negative, un-employable, pessimistic idiots like yourself!  But that doesn't make it bad.  It works for millions of people every day and every week and every year in the U.S.   You live in the U.S. and every day you are doing one of two things, you're buying shit or selling shit and we happen to be on the selling side of the equation.  And we make a ass load of money doing it!  We happen to be in a business that will never go out of style.  And we happen to carry a product that will never go out of style.  We will be around forever!! 

How was your take on the FFAR money this weekend before everybody blew out? Got the next batch of kiddies all lined up for next weeK?

Not praying for you. No best wishes. Hope you are out of business soon. 


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U-G-L-Y

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Man your ugly!!  That's my first cheap shot.


Here I go again buddy:  Yes I do consider myself a christian.  I have strong believe in christian values although I still am human.  And to be human is to sin.  And then we get into a religious conversation so I'll spare you the humility of showing your ignorance. 


If you look into the root of our business and had a opportunity to meet all the managers in our business you'd find some sort of basic "christian values"  All of the motivational meetings we do and most of the info we have has come way before us.  And we didn't invent it.  I've posted before about where we pull a lot of inspiration from; Rick Warren, Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrn, Zig Ziglar, and so forth;  so that makes all those people " horsesh*t people with horsesh*t values, nasty, with naked ambitions and absolute greed" as you state.  Poor Rio you really need a break.  Tomorrow is Sunday I advise you take a day of sabbath!!


And I never said I have a slander case, I said someone can make a slander case.  I have had people arrested though.  And one guy spent two days in jail for making some sort of scene at my office!  And anyone can make a slander case, right now there is a huge case that's getting national coverage about Mike Leach.  Now I don't think anyone could sue you for millions of dollars but I do believe there is up to $15,000 anyone could collect from suing you.  I have no need to chase you or others on here because over all this has little effect on my business.  But if someone wanted to it'd be fun to hear about!  I am not a expert of any of this but it's the facts. 


And as far as you saying " coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative." here is a little info for you:


Google Avon Scam  321,0000 reports  Amway Scam 913,000 reports  Primerica Scam  114,000 reports  Mary Kay Scam  111,000 reports  Scentura Scam  119,000 reports


Direct sales has always got blasted by lazy, negative, un-employable, pessimistic idiots like yourself!  But that doesn't make it bad.  It works for millions of people every day and every week and every year in the U.S.   You live in the U.S. and every day you are doing one of two things, you're buying shit or selling shit and we happen to be on the selling side of the equation.  And we make a ass load of money doing it!  We happen to be in a business that will never go out of style.  And we happen to carry a product that will never go out of style.  We will be around forever!! 


So sorry if I don't come back and forth with your uneducated rants and filthy remarks about my self and other managers but I still will pray for you.  However I will argue the facts and opinions all day. 


Good Luck and Best Wishes

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#8 Author of original report

Wikipedia Speaks

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

"Nationwide media coverage on the company has tended to be overwhelmingly negative."


-Wikipedia on Scentura Creations.


Care to prove them wrong, Papa Maroon?[

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#9 Author of original report

You have got to be kidding

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Papa, I didn't even get past the first five lines of your post. You claim to carry some alagory of Christian ideals, AND you're a Craptura distributor? HA HA HA! As if those two things could ever fit in the same box along with the shitty perfume.


Who's zommin' who here?


All that saintly jibberish after you tell me I can't spell, can't put a sentence together and then threaten to sue for SLANDER. Oooooooooo.


Eat sh*t and die, clown. You aren't fooling anybody ('cept yerzelf maybeez).


Craptura is a horsesh*t company with horsesh*t ideals and loaded with horsesh*t, coked-up, nasty people with naked ambitions and absolute greed. But not you, you 'really did' pray for me. Why don't you try to sell me the Brooklyn bridge?


And what happened to your 'slander' case anyway? Did you decide to drop it after the police laughed at you?

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#10 UPDATE Employee

Thank You you proved my point

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

I don't try to "get you" Rio.  I argue facts vs. opinions.  But my bashing you personally is a reflection of yourself.  And I say best wishes because I mean it, and I really did pray for you that evening.  I even told my girlfriend that I felt a little bad for telling you who you are.  But you just back in up again and again.  Read your post sir.  They are aimless just blah blah blah blah all full of crap!!

Now you are correct I post to defend my business.  I believe in it, I believe in my product, I believe in my self, and I believe in the people in this business.  And you're right that it produces a lot of money!!  A lot for myself and a lot for anyone who does this correctly.  Whether that be in training or running a office. 

I don't brag about the money I make, quote me in one post where I said I made a certain amount.  I said I live comfortable and am debt free, which is true. But I don't consider my self "successful" yet my household income is less then $250,000 a year and that to me is "successful" in this business!!  Come and talk to my in 5 years though.  And you're are right I do talk talk and talk some more.  I could go on with no end. 

You say I'm pre scripted.  But not from whoever you assume "they" is.  I'm pre scripted from Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrne, Jack Canfield, Rick Warren, Zig Ziglar, Ken Blanchard, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, first and foremost God, and whole lot of others.  You say you've seen the "manuals", whos I don't have one. 

And then you tell me to mark my calendar I will I promise, Jan 15th, but I tell you to do the same.  And if you want to compare the things that the two of us accomplish in 2010 I'll be more than happy!  That would be interesting if all things are equal and honest.  That'd never happen though because you lie through teeth, eyes, skin, and your soul.  But I also challenge any person who reads these post to do the same thing once you read it.  And whatever you make your decisions on whether to do or not to do the business or believe or not believe in the business.  See where you end up in a year.  I've been here 6 and I'll be here another 25-30 unless I opt for early retirement. 

But all this back and forth neglects the initial BS post here.  Here is a guy who comes in for a 2nd interview and blasts away with a ton of BS.  I've met Chris 3 times and every time he was very professional, very excited!!, and he's done really well since he's been here.  I'd say better then myself.  This unemployable idiot makes claims that Chris has never opened up "stores" anywhere, first of all they aren't stores, next he's promoted a handful of offices.  I may be wrong but I believe at one point he was the top " up and coming" regional in the company.  And then he gets pissed off and rants about the enthusiasm the people have, I'm sure he's a happy fellow.  And makes comments about being "hopped up on coke" I've never seen any successful office that accepts any drug use by it's staff Never.  And chris has been successful in this business.  And then something about a "soul-sister" is that some kind of racist comment?  What a ass!  Any intelligent person should be able to see the gaping holes in this post.  But these are the people that complain, uneducated, unemployable, in this case racist idiots!! 

On goes the battle,  Some will Some won't So what

Good luck and Best wishes

 

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#11 Author of original report

Papa, Papa, Papa

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

You think you're actually going to get me with simpering put downs like 'I will pray for you' and 'good luck and best wishes'?

Try again, ass-nut.

The ONLY reason you keep posting is to defend an unethical operation to keep the new blood flowing through a squalid system. More suckers, more blood, more money.

If you were making the kind of bank you like to brag about, you wouldn't talk about it. But, man, motherfucker do you talk. And talk, and talk.

All your pre-scripted taunts and bull-baiting won't work. It's what they TOLD you to say! You think I don't know this? I've seen the training manuals, fool!

In ONE YEAR or less, you will no longer be around. Somehow Scentura will fuck you over like it does everybody.

Mark the calender, big shot.

  

 

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#12 UPDATE Employee

Capitalism

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Rio Rio my friend you sound like the biggest idiot when you post.  But here is a copy and paste to save my time. 


Anyone who knows anything about direct sales knows the truth.  And in your opinion my business is a scam.  In my opinion it's the greatest opportunity around.  Is Mary Kay a scam?  Is AVON a scam?  Is Amway a scam?  Is Priamerica a scam?  They are all large commercial direct sales companies.  But our opportunity is better then theres because there is no investment, no fee's, and no one ever has to buy anything. 


 


However Rio Rio Rio.  You my friend are worse then the terrorist that pile on.  You are a uneducated worthless member of our society.  You my friend give America a bad name.  Your grammar is terrible, and i'm just a H.S. graduate so mine is bad, but you can't complete a proper sentence.  You know nothing of what you speak of.  You never have facts backing anything you say.  You just spill diarrhea out of your mouth or in this case fingers.  You will always live in prosperity and breed and prosperity and unless you reproduce a human that wants change you'll always give your family a bad name.  I feel bad just telling you who you are.  I will pray for you. 


 


So on goes:  Some will  Some won't  So what


Good luck and best wishes. 

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#13 Author of original report

Eat it, Papa

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

You didn't hear me the first time. You aren't welcome here. You all ARE going to leave and I will live to see it happen. You are all liars, clowns, and coke heads. You are a fuck head, Papa. An American class fuck-head. Did your Mama raise you to be this kind of fuck-head?

My name IS RIO. And my town is named ARVADA.

You are not welcome here. Get OUT!

Christ, what a bunch of idiots.

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#14 UPDATE Employee

It'll be OK

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

I'm sorry Rio.  Do you need a hug?  Did your daddy not love you?  I love these threads, because any semi-intelligent person that reads them knows both sides.  There will always be internet terrorist like yourself.  And if it's your home town congrats, I wish you luck finding a new job though.  But the bottom line is your best comebacks are bashing and calling owners names.  That's impressive to a ape I suppose.  I'm closing in on a agreement for a office this week to a man who when he got started in the business read these posts after his orientation.  He came in and we talked about them and he thought all you internet terrorist were idiots.  And I'll bet he makes more in 2010 then you've made in the last 3 years. 


So the same story holds true, some will some won't but anyone looking for a opportunity at a above average income and lifestyle that is willing to put in a quality 90 days of training can become successfull here.  The smart applicants that do their "research" read both sides and make their choice.  Some people choose to live check to check just getting buy and others don't.  Some people work in fast food, gas station, warehouse, and dead end jobs because they are afraid to take a chance.  And then there are those of us who prefer to get what we are worth.  Which is what you put in is what you get out. 


So don't be so angry Rio.  Direct sales has been around forever and its not going away.  Perfume has been around longer than that so its not going away.  And there will always be people looking for more so we won't go away.  Sorry buddy. 


Good luck and best wishes

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#15 Author of original report

Yeah, it's funny.

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Oh, for Gods' sake Papa, go somewhere and eat a dick already. You aren't making any real money and you know it. You're a fucking clown in a cheap suit and not much else. I would suggest you move to Arvada and get all funky and squishey with your buddy Chris. I understand Iris will do just about anything for a little coke, too. I WILL run this thread until you assholes are out of my town. And yes, it's my town. I was born here, worked here, burried relatives here, you fucking name it. And you and your kind aren't welcome here. Time to move, jerkoff.

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#16 UPDATE Employee

Isn't it funny

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

I love how people make outlandish comments and insult those of us who've made it.  I shouldn't talk though I do call them blow outs.  But you'd think a product that's been around over 20 years must be alright.  And direct sales has been around forever.  And Scentura itself is just the distributor.  But if none of the bussiness works then how did chris get there?  How did I get here?  And oh yeah there has been over 900 offices open world wide that distribute the product.  So that's probably somewhere in the name of 1,500 managers.  And then you add in the distributors and the blow-outs and over the last 20 years the company has had probably 200,000 people work in and around the bussiness.  So out of that we have some people like these unemployed folks who never even got started with the company.  I've been in the bussiness for over 6 years now.  I'm not rich and famous but I live in a nice house have the money to do ALL the things I like to do.  Travel a little.  And take care of my family.  So it's been 10 times what I was offered in my Interview.  Chris you've been doing well for a long time, keep it up.  JFBD
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#17 Consumer Suggestion

Spread The Good News

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Surely someone can find the home address for Chris & Iris? I recommend doing a mass mailing to his neighbors letting them know the great business Chris is involved in. Maybe someone can get Chris featured in the local business news.

Come on Chris, you're not embarrassed are you????

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Know the enemy!

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

In addition to my above post, it is very important to pick out the aspects of a legitimate business when looking for a job.

A legitimate business DOES NOT:

1. Have music blaring over the phone/in their office. Such a methodology is as un-professional as it gets.

2. Perform multiple interviews simultaneously. No one, and I mean NO ONE, operates in such a fashion.

3. Have a receptionist out front who grills you with personal questions while you are waiting. What business is it of hers?

4. Take your scocial sercurity number before filling out an application, and then doesn't even take an application.

5. Hire for key positions at high salary with 'no experience required'. Try to imagine a medical group advertising for a dentist with 'no experience required'. 

6. Maintain an office decorated similar to your beer-drinking pals' basement.

7. 'Hires' 40 to 80 people per week, every week, no matter what the position.

8. Refuse to disclose the name of their parent company.

9. Belittle their employees with out-right vulgarities in front of others.

10. Demand you become estranged from family and friends as a condition of continued employment.

11. Continually change their operating company name every few months.

I have also included a post I authored under a different thread directly regarding Scentura:

To keep it simple, if one has to sit through a three hour presentation with no clear idea they will be selling door-to-door, then the operation is misleading and unethical.

An inferiour and over-priced product doesn't help much either. A few years ago, I was approached by two young women selling this junk outside the local library. Upon asking, I told them I liked Jovan Musk. 'Ohhhh!' one woman squealed, 'I have just the subsitute!' She produced a smarmy, over-sweet smelling concoction that I'm not even sure was for men. Anyway, she wanted $28 dollars for it, which on it's own was outrageous. I pay $18 dollars for the real thing and in a bigger bottle (yes, I understand the concentration difference between perfume vs. colonge, but it doesn't matter: Hers' smelled like SHIT). And the box the real thing comes in doesn't look like it's been handled by a multitude of hands for an entire year, or have the word, 'tester' written on the side.

I've have recieved quite an eye-full of Scentura and it's scripted operations over time. The most die-hard wanna-bees in these companies have the least ability to think for themselves. All the responces and even vulgar insults that they sling have all been carefully crafted before hand to deal with detractors of all types.

The most pertinate information I've found has come from wildely successful Scentura operators who eventually left the business, and all for the same reason: they all developed moral complications over the long haul by being, and dealing with, the unethical ---regardless of how much money they made.

In a nutshell, 95% of all people 'hired' for the job won't make a dime, and if you have your own 'office', you won't make a dime telling the truth.

The lie spins the lie which spins the lie.

What also catches my attention is the almost cult-like dimensions Scentura mets out to its' players. If you have ever studied the everyday workings of the Church of Scientology from a distance, or been involved with it and defected, then you are aware of the absolutely glaring similarities between the two. The most striking being the enourmous amounts of work performed by the lowly, for little or no pay, and the encouraged estrangements to distance ones' self from family and friends because they 'don't understand'.

In Scientology, if you complain, you are labled a 'suppressive person'. Working for Scentura, you can be branded a 'worthless piece of shit'. Imagine your own sister or mother comming home in tears after being told such things. What conclusions would you draw (and what would you be tempted to do about it)?    

If you are smart, hardworking and passionate, you defintely have a shot for this 'opportunity'. If you are all of those things and possess a sense of ethics and honesty, you have NO chance.

On the other hand, if you are just the right socio-path for the job, the higher you rise, the more isolated you will become. Your 'new family' will only love you as long as the money continues to flow upward and the bottles down. Befoul that holy pipeline, and it will be curtains for you, friend. No one will care. You will be shunned and ignored.

One last note: I, too, was inticed into the impossible promises and rediculous claims for a bit after being 'interviewed' and 'hired' by Chis Westphal. Towards the end of the presentation, Chris informed us that we had to be absolutely honest about our criminal background check information.

'If you can't be honest with me', he said grimly with his arms crossed, 'then I want nothing to do with you.'

What a coincidence, Chris. I couldn't agree more.  

 


 

 


 

 


 

     

 
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