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Complaint Review: Peoples Awareness Coalition, L.B. Bork

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  • Submitted: Sat, March 07, 2009
  • Updated: Tue, August 04, 2009

  • Reported By:ERWIN Tennessee
Peoples Awareness Coalition, L.B. Bork
PO Box 313 Kieler, Wisconsin U.S.A.

Peoples Awareness Coalition, L.B. Bork BEWARE OF SO CALLED NATIONALS LB BORK WANTS MONEY FOR NOTHING Kieler Wisconsin

*Consumer Suggestion: NOT A RIPOFF

*Consumer Suggestion: NOT A RIPOFF

*Consumer Suggestion: NOT A RIPOFF

*Consumer Suggestion: NOT A RIPOFF

*Consumer Comment: LB Bork and PAC are legitimate, honest

*Consumer Comment: PAC: There is nothing to be wary of regarding State Nationals

*Consumer Comment: Hard to believe...

*Author of original report: Just read the LB response thanking me, BUT..

*Author of original report: This seems to have not been added

*Author of original report: In the truth of Fairness

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: I would like to thank Eugene for the update

*Consumer Comment: PAC is on point

*Author of original report: Update on L.B. Bork

*Consumer Comment: I and many others have had NO PROBLEM with LB and his Process

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Falsity of this Report

*Author of original report: Estopple

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I was looking for a way to get out from under the Federal governments sytem(which there is a way I just chose the wrong person) this led me to People's Awaness Coalition. Which thier site is impressive, so I contacted L.B. Bork to find out more, one of the requirements to get started was to buy a copy of his book, "The Red Amendment" Which just disects the first amenment plus alot of his opinions.(Now let me tell you what he was going to do for me, He was going to do the paperwork to change my nationality status cause when the 14th amenment was implimented it changed our status from state to federal status which puts us under a different law base than the constitutional law total cost $450.00.)

After that he wants you to request an application and contract when you get this and filling them out he wants a $225.00 app. fee the total amount toin the form of a blank money order. Now I know what you are thinking now and you are right. But my thinking was this man was trying to free us from a deceptive and lying government so he was doing good right? Who knows. I got the app and contract and filled all of it back, What I thought was strange was in the instructions it said not to make copies of any of it but then I thought it must be a law thing you know. So I sent all that back with a $250.00 blank money order(of course I put my info on it name and adress and I thought why not pay half now and then send in the other $250.00 whith the final paperwork) I also sent him a copy of my estoppel that I filed 10yrs ago to do pretty much what he was saying he was going to do for me just so he could look it over and give me his opinion on it

Well, after I had sent it in, time past, like a month. So I sent him an email asking for a status, what I got back was kind of a suprise, he stated that he got the documents with "No Funds the envelope was empty" Now this I knew was wrong so (and I am condensing all this cause it could be REALLY long) I put a trace on the money order. In one of the emails he stated that IF for some reason he was wrong he would pay for the trace($15.00) At this point it had been 2mos. When I got the copy of the money order I sawit had been made out to a Netux Solutions LLC I email a copy to him.

He stated "oh yeah he got that) but did not get the $200.00 with the contract I told him that NO you did'nt you got $250.00 which was more than the $200.00 and half of what was needed and once he sent the rest of the paperwork I would send in the rest. He started harping on that I did not follow instructions and he was not going to pay the $15.00 it took to prove to him that indeed I DID pay him money. This went back and forth for a month me trying to prove to him (thru his own emails) that indeed HE was stating that I had sent in NO money. To make a long story short I requested a refund of my $250.00 AND my estoppel back from him.

He stated that he was not going to refund the application fee, I stated that I did not pay no app fee I PAID his network hosting bill to Netux Solutions. I still have all the emails that was sent so if anybody wants copies I'm glad to supply. It seems that his goal is to get you to sign that contract so he does not have to be responsible for the money you pay in to pay his bills. I would not deal with man again to save my life,He ignores what makes him wrong so there is no rationalizing with him. To this date I am going to just eat the $265.00 and feel lucky that thats all he got from me. Beware of L.B. Bork and the Peoples Awarness Coalition.

Gene
ERWIN, Tennessee
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 03/07/2009 02:40 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Peoples-Awareness-Coalition-LB-Bork/Kieler-Wisconsin-53812/Peoples-Awareness-Coalition-LB-Bork-BEWARE-OF-SO-CALLED-NATIONALS-LB-BORK-WANTS-MONEY-F-431806. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

NOT A RIPOFF

AUTHOR: Sephyratigre - (U.S.A.)

I am currently engaging in the same process that this man said he was.
LB has been nothing less than honorable and has not lied to me or stolen from me at all.
I sent him $450 in two blank money orders and he got them no problem.
I suspect the one who posted this "report" which hasn't even been truly investigated is merely another one of these people who is simply trying to skip out on his taxes while maintaining himself in the system he says he is against.
The most unfair part about this "report" is that anybody could post one of these and it immediately goes to the top of the search results in google without any research being done to this mans claims.

I will again state clearly that I have had ZERO problems with LB and his organization and I support him 110%.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

NOT A RIPOFF

AUTHOR: Sephyratigre - (U.S.A.)

I am currently engaging in the same process that this man said he was.
LB has been nothing less than honorable and has not lied to me or stolen from me at all.
I sent him $450 in two blank money orders and he got them no problem.
I suspect the one who posted this "report" which hasn't even been truly investigated is merely another one of these people who is simply trying to skip out on his taxes while maintaining himself in the system he says he is against.
The most unfair part about this "report" is that anybody could post one of these and it immediately goes to the top of the search results in google without any research being done to this mans claims.

I will again state clearly that I have had ZERO problems with LB and his organization and I support him 110%.
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

NOT A RIPOFF

AUTHOR: Sephyratigre - (U.S.A.)

I am currently engaging in the same process that this man said he was.
LB has been nothing less than honorable and has not lied to me or stolen from me at all.
I sent him $450 in two blank money orders and he got them no problem.
I suspect the one who posted this "report" which hasn't even been truly investigated is merely another one of these people who is simply trying to skip out on his taxes while maintaining himself in the system he says he is against.
The most unfair part about this "report" is that anybody could post one of these and it immediately goes to the top of the search results in google without any research being done to this mans claims.

I will again state clearly that I have had ZERO problems with LB and his organization and I support him 110%.
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

NOT A RIPOFF

AUTHOR: Sephyratigre - (U.S.A.)

I am currently engaging in the same process that this man said he was.
LB has been nothing less than honorable and has not lied to me or stolen from me at all.
I sent him $450 in two blank money orders and he got them no problem.
I suspect the one who posted this "report" which hasn't even been truly investigated is merely another one of these people who is simply trying to skip out on his taxes while maintaining himself in the system he says he is against.
The most unfair part about this "report" is that anybody could post one of these and it immediately goes to the top of the search results in google without any research being done to this mans claims.

I will again state clearly that I have had ZERO problems with LB and his organization and I support him 110%.
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#5 Consumer Comment

LB Bork and PAC are legitimate, honest

AUTHOR: George M - (U.S.A.)

I recently read Gene's report about PAC and frankly is the first and only complaint I have heard about PAC. I have known LB Bork for 2 years, have contracted for his services and my experience have all been positive. Throughout the process there was constant communication, commitments and follow-up that were executed flawlessly. He responded promptly, provided expert information and guidance, and frequently called me to follow-up on matters. Even after completion of the process I have been in contact with Mr. Bork regularly and been impressed with his thoroughness and overall knowledge in the disciplines PAC deals with. Gene's dispute with Mr. Bork it is not indicative of my experience and I am actually very surprised that this happened as reported.
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#6 Consumer Comment

PAC: There is nothing to be wary of regarding State Nationals

AUTHOR: Leanne - (U.S.A.)

For the thousands who have read The Red Amendment by author LB Bork and subsequently have gone through the process, for this one person to post this here, I see no problem.

It seems apparent to me that the original poster may have comprehension problems and, perhaps, does not understand the contract or, simply, has not followed through. I have spoken with many other State Nationals who have gone through the status correction process and have had no trouble at all. They are now happy to be State Nationals who have gotten out of the system and are not subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government.

In fact, I have sent off the forms for my husband and myself and look forward to our status correction and do not feel apprehensive in doing so. Too, Mr. Bork makes himself easily accessible to all who wish to speak with him and know more.

I am sure, Eugene, that you can still go through with your status correction should you just work with LB and follow through on your end of the contractual agreement.

LeAnne
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#7 Consumer Comment

Hard to believe...

AUTHOR: Stephen Michael - (U.S.A.)

Recently told some friends to check out Peoples Awareness Coalition, and was told this report was here.

For what it's worth:

I've known the owner for several years now and have read his book, The Red Amendment. I have also purchased his services, and have absolutely no complaints.

The research in the book was impeccable, and a great read.

The services provided are properly represented, and the results lived up to my expectations. The few questions I did have, were handled promptly and in a professional manner.

I have never met L.B. Bork, but have spoken with him on the phone, and found him to be an articulate and honorable man.

Although I know, we all have our moments... I'm finding it difficult to believe L.B. behaved in the "less than professional" manner described above.
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#8 Author of original report

Just read the LB response thanking me, BUT..

AUTHOR: Gene - (U.S.A.)

To set the record straight at NO TIME before or after I filed this report did lb bork offer any kind of refund, infact he had conveyed to me that there would be NO REFUND and that I stilled owed him. So for him to make that statment is TOTALY FALSE.
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#9 Author of original report

This seems to have not been added

AUTHOR: Gene - (U.S.A.)

This is to be inserted before the the update titled Truth in Fairness. Due to the fact I did not see this update. On April 15th at 10:59pm I received the 3rd call from Mr. Bork, this time he did leave a msg where he stated that as he had told me before he would be relentless in harrassing me that this would be one of very many phone calls I would be getting. Now to repeat what the former update had said that to this date of 05/11/09 I have had no harrassment from Mr.Bork.
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#10 Author of original report

In the truth of Fairness

AUTHOR: Gene - (U.S.A.)

So to be fair I must report that to this day 05/11/09 I have not heard from nor have been personally harrassed by any member of the Peoples Awareness Coalition.
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#11 REBUTTAL Individual responds

I would like to thank Eugene for the update

AUTHOR: Lb - (U.S.A.)

I see that the poster of this complaint, Eugene, updated the posting.

It is too bad that this man cannot follow simple instructions. I have used the same procedure and contract for 10 years, without issue.

Again, as per the signed contract, Eugene still owes me 200 dollars. Although this is the fact of the matter, before he posted this complaint I was willing to give him a refund but I never heard back from him (via email). He then posted this fraudulent complaint.

Again, if anyone would like to see the series of contractual documentation, please contact me.
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#12 Consumer Comment

PAC is on point

AUTHOR: Sarah Marie - (U.S.A.)

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In regards to the matter of PAC and LB Bork, I had completed the status correction process about six years ago. This process is impeccable. Other groups have all ignored or avoided the only point to address: the jurisdiction of the United States. LB's book entitled Red Amendment takes one through finely detailed history and irrefutable facts that outline and define the crux of our problems with this out of control corporation. The Red Amendment documents the sources drawn on to prove and support the fraud that has been perpetrated against all people of the fifty nations. During my process I have had the DOJ come to speak with me in where they questioned me on many different issues. I have a copy of their report in where it states, She will not be happy until she is out. This statement acknowledges there are definitely two different statuses/categories I can be in.

LB has spent many years and countless hours researching all points to reference and cross-reference his procedure. How LB uses the money in exchange for his information and procedure to keep things running is his business.

I have listened to others spout theories. Theories are like opinions; we all have them. I will take the facts, the truth, and the knowledge. Do not take my opinion here. Buy his book, The Red Amendment and read it for yourself. Then read the sources that are quoted and decide for yourself. Out of jail. In jail.

Sarah Marie Chermak
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#13 Author of original report

Update on L.B. Bork

AUTHOR: Gene - (U.S.A.)

To be proper I am updating this report. I did get my Estopple back, by the way this Estopple has served me well for going on 10yrs with the soul intention was to get me out of the income tax system. Anyway I did get it back. Well I received 3 unwanted phone calls from Mr.Bork the 3rd he finally left a voice mail(which I am saving) which stated that I have caused him grief and that I still owed him $200.00 which if you remember was happy to send back with the final round of paperwork he was to send to me. This of course was not good enough for him, he wanted my money without doing anything (so the statment about not wanting to work things out is not true it was not working things out HIS way that angered him). Well he's doing something now, he stated that he was going to be relentless and that I should expect hundreds of phone calls from him. Now I dont know about you but this does not sound like something a stable person would do. Sounds like to me that he is going to harrass me until I pay him the $200.00, this just adds to the distrust I already have for the man, theres no way I would go back in with doing business with this guy.
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#14 Consumer Comment

I and many others have had NO PROBLEM with LB and his Process

AUTHOR: Geoff - (U.S.A.)

I have known LB and have been a Florida National since 2005.

He is honest and has a very simple process to follow. By the language of the complaint compared with LB's defense, It really seems that Gene was not able to follow instructions properly and got mad about it as a result
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#15 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Falsity of this Report

AUTHOR: Lb - (U.S.A.)

In response to this instant report, Gene had contracted with us, however failed to follow instructions per agreement.

Firstly, he sent in the improper amount with his application. The application notes 225 dollars, of which he sent 250. Looking back, this should have been the first sign that Gene failed comprehension of details. An adjustment was made to the contract to bring the total amount due to 200 dollars. This amount was due upon the signing of the contract. Once again, in contradiction of the written details, the contract was sent back without the 200 dollar balance.

Accordingly, as Gene was in violation of contract, services were halted. Several correspondences via email were made in attempt to clear up this matter, but this man appears to be in unfettered confusion due to not understanding (or apparently not reading) the contract he signed. All Gene had to do was reference this contract in order to understand the problem. He was directed to do this many times during the correspondencesmost of which were overtly rude on his partand this would have shown him, in black and white that he was in error.

Secondly, Gene has been sent back his document entitled Estopple, which was determined to be worthless for his purposes. This was done at the end part of March. No copies had been made, as Gene Erwin had falsely referenced. It is noted that Wiechmann has made no attempt to correct this defamatory posting to that effect.

Due to the nature of contracted information, we make all people aware that after the signing of the contact no refunds are given. Accordingly, per signed contract that is in hand, Gene STILL OWES the undersigned 200 dollars.

All other matters mentioned are really irrelevant and need not be addressed. It is noted that such issues add to the defamation and the falsity of Gene's report. Moreover, anyone interested in documentation as to the above may contact us at the herein noted address.

In a final note, we have been assisting people with constitutional status issues for over 10 years. If you would like to talk to people that we have assisted, please contact us.

LB Bork

Peoples Awareness Coalition
PO Box 313
Kieler, Wisconsin [ 53812 ]

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#16 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Gene - (U.S.A.)

Have not heard from the Peoples awareness coalition so I emailed him again.

I had conveyed to Mr. Bork that due to the distrust I had in him that I would not be doing anymore business with him and I requested my Estoppel back from him. Well it took more time than I would like to admit and a couple of emails stating that the mistrust was well founded until he agreed to send back my Estoppel. Im sure he made several copies of it before he sent it back to me. I guess I just gave to much trust in someone that I thought was a true patriot. These are the type of people that deserve to be on the side of the antichrist.
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