• Report: #935415

Complaint Review: policy 5

  • Submitted: Fri, August 31, 2012
  • Updated: Tue, October 09, 2012

  • Reported By: DYLAN — apple valley California United States of America
policy 5
Internet United States of America

policy 5 temen williams (aka TJ) Hires people and either doesn't pay them or pays them whatever he feels like paying you if he has the money. Internet

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: O my

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Yes, This only helps my case! So excited!!

*Author of original report: Temen williams policy 5 rip off

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Wow

*Author of original report: answer the questions!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Wrong!!!!!!!

*Author of original report: Temen williams policy 5 rip off

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Testimony

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: LOL

*Author of original report: Policy 5 rip off artist

*Consumer Comment: Teman Williams - RipOff Artist

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    My name is Dylan and I started working for Temen  Williams  (aka TJ) and his company POLICY 5  in Jan 2012. He advertised a job opportunity on Craigslist that I decided to try out. The job is working on an auto dialer gathering insurance leads which he would later sell to clients in need of leads. The first thing he had me do was work an hour to see if I could do the job.
 
   After I worked for a free hr he wanted me to do another hour just to make sure that I was reliable. I worked well over 2 1/2 hrs without getting paid anything. Eventually TJ told me that I have a job so I began to work for him 30 hrs a week. TJ told me that I should receive a check on the 3rd week which I never did. He told me that the company sent out a check and they must have the address wrong so they would have to send it again. Another week went by and I never got a check.
 
 TJ said its not his fault and that the people doing bankroll are incompetent so he would have to pay me himself through western union. When he sent me money it was at least 100 less then what I expected because I counted my hours and apparently there is nothing that keeps track of the hours you work. He told me that it was because I wasn't consistently on the dialer. also it had been 5 weeks since I started working for the company and I was just receiving a 2 weeks check which was short over $100.

   Since employment opportunity is very low and I couldn't get another job I decided that I would continue working for the company even though I knew I was getting ripped off.  after another 2 checks I asked him what happened to all the hrs that I worked for the first 3 weeks and he said that it was added onto the last two checks I got which was complete nonsense because those checks were short  as well. (he was very abusive and rude when asking him about money I think Im owed)

 In the entire 4 month period that I worked for Temen Williams, not once did I receive a check that was accurate with the hours I recorded myself working neither did I receive a check on time. Whenever I asked him about hours that I didnt get paid for he would yell at me and tell me that he payed me everything Im owed.

  At one point I was owed over 700 dollars after counting the hours that I havnt been payed for. I told temen that I was done working for the company. after not working for 2 weeks he begged me to come back (since I was the only one he could find to do this job and deal with his bullshit) saying that he would pay me 200 to come back and an additional $200 on every paycheck toward the $700 that I was owed.

  Somehow I agreed to this and continued working. He paid me 200 to come back and sure enough the next 20+ hr paycheck that should have included an extra 200 came out to  $280. he then told me that because I was off payroll for 2 weeks so I was only getting paid for 1 weeks worth of my time which was not what we agreed on. On top of that I worked 12 hrs for one week and was only paid $80 for it.  I decided that it didnt matter because he has been lying to me from the beginning. Money is money and I needed whatever I could get.

 I decided to work for him for two more weeks so I could get whatever I could out of it before quitting. When it came time to pay me he didn't have the money and just avoided my calls. I blew up his phone maybe 50 times a day and after about 2 weeks of sending e-mails and Msgs he answers telling me he is living in his car and can't pay me but eventually he will. Within a few more days he calls me saying that he needs me and he will give me $200 toward a $360 check and pay me the rest in a week.

  There was no way I was going to continue working for this a*****e after the anger and abuse he caused me but I knew if I didnt say I would come back he wouldn't pay me a dime. I decided that I would tell him I would work so I could at least get the $200. He asked if he could pay me through paypal because he said it would be easier for him when really its because he had a feeling I would just take the money and not work simply because we were on the worst terms ever after screening my calls and emails for the last 2 weeks while im still owed over $500.

I had no Paypal account but my mother did so he put the money in her account. I took the money out and told him he is abusive and I would never work for him again. Sure enough he puts a dispute into paypal saying that he bought a computer from my mother and never received it. We disputed it with paypal and won because I had plenty of proof to show that he was my employee paying me through my mothers paypal so he could take the money back if he needed to.

  He then filed a complaint with his credit card company and now they are disputing it with paypal making my mothers account negative $200 and we are waiting to see what is going to happen.

    Working for Temen Williams was by far the worst experience of my life and will forever haunt me.  I have never been as stressed as I was working for this a**hole and I hope that anyone that considers working for him reads this review before you get ripped off for your time.

     When I wasn't able to create good leads with all the info needed, he would yell at me and would basically tell me to fill it in no matter what. He needed leads and clients were upset with him.  He had no one else that would work for him so his entire company was depending on a 23 year old kid.

 Stay away from policy 5 and Temen Williams. He is a backstabbing liar  who will do whatever it takes to swindle people into working for him.


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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

O my

AUTHOR: Temen Williams - (United States of America)

The internet needs to quit. Ha Lori your not getting any money from me lady i knew you for 1 and a half weeks and you presented fake leads. You will never see a dime from me ever in your life. And by life dont you think you need to get one seeing as you only worked for 1 week back in August. What is your weird deal? Ive got texts from one worker telling me some very strange things about you, id speak to an attorney before you incriminate yourself further. And ive never owned any other company besides Sky and I have a 100k in pay roll to prove we were FAR from a scam. You sound crazy! 

Dylan youve already proven my point a million times over with all you said, ive never even met you. Just a person who cant really make any money whos said countless times that you have a million dollars but who need to sue me for what you say is a few hundred dollars. Your not right in the head and any judge will see that. 

Goodbye guys never to answer one of these again - later gators 

Every agent we sold to got a refund even with Sky, every agent that deserved one after I SHUT IT DOWN. dumb a**ess 
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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Yes, This only helps my case! So excited!!

AUTHOR: Lori - (United States of America)

Thank you so much Dylan, I feel for you, TJ has threatened me, NEVER paid me, but the judge will handle that soon. I always wondered if TJ was rude, racist and threatened other employee's...and seems as though he does. In fact, he is doing it on here and other sites that I have found. My next step after this first court date is to file a criminal suit. I would suggest you do the same if he continues. Seems as though he harasses many clients and employee's including ex. He claims he is some religious guy, grew up in a foster home and working on a non profit organization for women and children. Blah Blah Blah! His last Company Sky Blue online that was located in Victorville closed because of the same reasons...Ripping off people. I also know of other Companies he has or had. The list of his criminal activity goes on and on. He will get caught soon....and he will serve time, not short. I laugh at his immature texts to me...all he does is call people names, he's a Big ole Bully! Boo Woo! 

Lori
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#3 Author of original report

Temen williams policy 5 rip off

AUTHOR: DYLAN - (United States of America)

Its funny how no matter how many times I ask you whos responsibility it is to make sure that you have good employees that provide good leads, you can't seem to reply because you know that the bottom line is you are the one who continued to use me while people were complaining. As the owner of the company, you are the one responsible for making sure you sell quality material. Don't try to point fingers when you knew or thought I was not doing a good job. 

So me using an I instead of an A to spell satan is stupid to you? I think it is more important to abbreviate you letters so people can understand what you are saying instead of making sure you spell satan properly.  Yes I taunted you with with whatever way I could to piss you off because you owed me hundreds of dollars and wouldn't answer my calls or return my emails for weeks at a time. I think that stealing someones money is 100xs worse then talking smack about your religion.

Don't act like you didn't say the worst things you could come up with to degrade me and I have all the emails as well of you calling me a living piece of dog s**t and you hope I get killed and that my mother dies of cancer. I never said anything even close to hoping you get killed because Im not that kind of person. 

The only reason I wrote an nice email about your company was because you asked me to and I wanted to be a good employer. On top of that, that email was written at the beginning of the time I worked for you.

You wanted to build a team but you wanted me to build it for you because like I just said, you have no patients, you are rude and don't have the ability to deal with people on a professional level.  The very first phone call I had with you , you were a total a*****e and I knew what I was getting myself into from the beginning. The only reason I dealt with your behavior is because I needed a job.

>>>>>If im always broke then how am I stealing from people? does that make sense?<<<<<
What are you talking about? that makes perfect sense. Thats what broke people who desperately need money do. They screw over who ever they need to if it helps them get by. This is how most criminals work. they steal because they have no money. what planet are you living on?

Yes I thanked you when you would finally put the money in my account because I am a respectful human and always try to keep things on a good note with the people I work for. That doesn't mean that I wasn't still very pissed off at you for making me wait several days or even weeks to get paid.

You continue to say that you are not the only owner of the company but I have never spoken to anyone but you in policy 5. I think you claim there are more people in your company to make it sound like a stronger business but thats beside the point.

Once again, please reread your letter and tell me if it doesn't sound like a 5th grader wrote it. when you are trying to get your point across, make a little bit more effort to abbreviate and put periods in your letter so you don't come off like such a dumb a**.  
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Wow

AUTHOR: Temen Williams - (United States of America)

Dylan Holt is telling me to add comas? Dylan you cant even spell. You spelled satan, satin as your taunting me for coming on here writing crap about me telling me your satin. 

I dont need you to tell me anything. You just proved my whole point. You dont tell an employer what they owe you. And further more, YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE DOING GOOD WORK. WE SUPPLY YOU WITH ALL YOU NEED TO DO THE JOB AND THE INSTRUCTIONS, A MONKEY COULD DO THE WORK YOU WERE DOING. NOTE**** I did not give out your 1's or 2's and you did some good leads just as it says up there but just like in conversation you choose what you hear and what you dont hear. Your personality is ridiculous and you have serious comprehensions problem, you were very dependable up to a certain point. I was looking to build the team on hard workers. You want to come on a website and say a bunch of crap thats not true and twist things months after you were fired. What does that say about you? trust me it says alot. I can also post the emails you send me everytime you post one of these messages on here taunting me telling me you are Satan. This is ridiculous and you would like nothing more than for me to keep replying to your lies and to try and say crap about me that you dont even know about. If im always broke then how am I stealing from people? does that make sense?  This is why we dont employ telemarketers anymore because of the type of wackos you get applying. I also could post the letter you wrote me talking about how the company helped you so much and how it made you so much better thanking me for all my help. 

As far as payment and getting paid, you made mention in the beginning of us paying you by pay pal or western union, you asked for that sir because you dont have a checking account. So to me its telling for you to mention that knowing why it was done and how many texts I have from you thanking me for doing that and going out of my way to get the money to you. You also called me a back stabber, when you work for a company you r a team, you dont come abc post crap about the company and one of the owners. Your not talking crap about the other owner because really this is a personal vendetta. This is worthless and im not replying to any of your messages any more. Go make someone else the focal point of your life, im done speaking with you and will not answer any more of your emails. Ive said what I needed to say and like I said I have file after file of the truth and what was told to you as well as recordings. So the truth is available. 

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#5 Author of original report

answer the questions!

AUTHOR: DYLAN - (United States of America)

first off, learn how to use periods and commas when you type. We have those so we can better understand what you are saying.

Let me explain something to you Temen. I dont know what world you live on but when an employee isn't getting paid and having to wait around up to three weeks to get a check, you will find that 99% of people don't continue working until they get paid. this wasn't a one time thing. In the entire time I worked for you I never got a check on time. You lied to me on countless occasions saying I would get paid at the end of the day. I would work expecting to get paid and at the end of the day you would ignore my calls and blow me off. That type of behavior doesn't promote good work ethics from your employer. If anything you made me feel like my job wasn't even real which made it very difficult to work to the best of my abilities. Treat your employees with respect and they will deliver much better then when you treat them like s**t. Like I just said, why did you continue to have me work for you and sell my leads if people were complaining? Does that make any sense? Is it not your responsibility to make sure you have solid employees that are bringing in solid leads? Please answer my question.

  every day was a new story and a false promise of what day I would get paid. I stopped working for two weeks because you and your company are incompetent and don't know how to run a proper business. You were always too broke to pay your employer and needed me to keep bringing in leads to pay me for work which I should have already been payed for. This is not how you do business my friend.
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#6 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Wrong!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Temen Williams - (United States of America)

NOPE!!! Check every record I have, I didn't give out your 1's or your 2's thats why I had you rate the leads. I only gave out your 3's,4's and 5's. 


They are complaining because it was coming too long, like Josef Mccoy he ordered 30 leads got 11 in 27 days when its supposed to be 30 days in the last 2 days I filled him with 11 more bringing his total to 22 but he called his card company in that time after telling me he would wait. If I would have known he was going to do that I would have not spent the resources to fill him in those two days. Thats 1 telemarketer for 10 hours plus the dialer which really filled like 16 but I didnt give him the 1 or 2's. Thats a good company but slow, the steps i took make us not slow anymore so we dont have that issue. We were slow for major reasons most of which were funding reasons, funding reasons which lead YOU Dylan Holt to not work for 2 of the weeks that we needed to fill this order because you were holding out to be "paid".  They are complaining about you and you are complaining about money.
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#7 Author of original report

Temen williams policy 5 rip off

AUTHOR: DYLAN - (United States of America)

Its interesting that you allowed me to work for 7 months when apparently my leads were bad. If my leads were no good then you shouldn't have been consistently selling them to agents if you were getting complaints. Its you, the owner of the company  that is responsible for making sure that you have quality employees working for you. Since I was the only one who could deal with your rude behavior you could never hire more people. In fact you would beg me to train and deal with more callers because you did not have the patients or the ability to deal with it yourself. I spent over 3 hours training people which I never got paid for on top of everything else. the reason clients complain is because you send them all the garbage leads and charge them the same price as the good ones. My work was solid and I only faked surveys the last 2 days I worked for the company because I was just trying to get paid the money that was already owed to me which you wouldn't pay me unless I continued working which is blackmail.
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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Testimony

AUTHOR: Temen Williams - (United States of America)

BRO YOU ARE THE ONLY REP FROM JAN TO JULY - THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE CRAZY, THERE IS NO ONE GOING TO JAIL. This is stupid and that guy is crazy. You Dylan Holt at 760-666-8802 are the only rep we had for 7 months. How are you going to say anything, this is about you. Your testimony can not be against your own emails. I have email after email of ecxactly what was told to you and when and I have record. 
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#9 REBUTTAL Owner of company

LOL

AUTHOR: Temen Williams - (United States of America)

What the hell, this idiot just wrote that we made him do quality leads and then you come on and write that we have no intention of creating good leads. This is the stupidest thing ive ever heard. Look for me on AMW? lol ok! IM NOT ON THE PHONE MAKING THE LEADS, THIS DUMB a*s WAS THE ONLY TELEMARKETER WE HAD FOR 5 MONTHS. We are not that big, trying to grow! As you can see this idiot is claiming the same stupid s**t. He's complaining about hours and pay over trying to squeeze money out of the company and the agents are complaining about HIM. How stupid is it for our business model to be this? sign a agent up and give him Dylan's leads, i wanted a new telemarketer for months but got on him and on him to be better and this is what it produced. Him pretending I did something to him by not letting him just do whatever. Ask for all the info and tell them the right things and to be expecting a call. This is what was told to him over and over in recorded conversations. He's angry over money. With leads your going to get prospects that lie when we look at the recordings we find they tell the rep they want a call. 

We have all the files and everything we need to show what we d and our intentions are pure. Its people like this guy here who screws things up, really your complaining about him. We have recording after recording for every call made. We do everything right as well. Agents have written policies. 

The person who wrote this is a lady by the name of Densie Roberston, who saw the posts on here after 3 days of being aboard and then jumped on the band wagon. We dont do tele marketed leads any more and furthermore I don't sell the service so who are you saying false advertised to you? And I dont own this company by myself so why are you coming after my name? does that make sense. It does to me, you dont have any good reason to say I did anything to you. We are trying as a company to have something we can be proud of, I take the measures I need to. And EVERY PERSON IS PROTECTED WITH THEIR CREDIT CARDS, WE FIGHT THE ONES WE HAVE PROVIDED THE SERVICE TO ONLY. PEOPLE CHARGEBACK FOR A ALOT OF REASONS. 
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#10 Author of original report

Policy 5 rip off artist

AUTHOR: DYLAN - (United States of America)

Thanks Johnson. If the attorney needs a testimony I can be contacted at djholt30@gmail.com .. much appreciation..
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#11 Consumer Comment

Teman Williams - RipOff Artist

AUTHOR: Johnson Adams - (United States of America)

I agree with this wholeheatedly. T.J. aka Teman Williams is a Rip Off artist that has no intention whatsoever of providing quality insurance leads. I've reported him to the Attorney General who assured me they would investigate his "False Advertising" practices. Look for him soon on America's Most Wanted tv show.
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