• Report: #1067939

Complaint Review: Schoharie County Family Court, CPS

  • Submitted: Wed, July 17, 2013
  • Updated: Wed, July 17, 2013

  • Reported By: Lost Wolf — Hows Cave New York
Schoharie County Family Court, CPS
Main Street Schohaire Schoharie, New York USA

Schoharie County Family Court, CPS Sandy Wood, David Lapineill ADA, Susan Loubier, Lies, manipulation, Threats, intimadation Schoharie New York

*General Comment: Edits

*General Comment: Response to Robert

*Author of original report: Get facts

*Consumer Comment: The SOR?

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In September of 2010 my daughter was born in the front seat of my then fiancee's car as I was driving her to the hospital. She and my wife were fine the terror started 2 days latter when we were told we could not take our daughter home together.

10 years prior I was placed on the SOR and when the hospital social worker found it out they called in a "red flag" or a inimate thret of danger for our daughter. In short it was felt that my fiancee could not fully understand the mistake she made having a child with me and how it was too dangerous for her to go home.

On September 7 two days after my daughter was born, Susan Loubier came in very friendly and saying she was not from Protective Services but Preventive and the she did not feel it was a red flag situation. She told us both she felt the three of us would be able to be home together in a month but no more then a few months. My fiancee Kate stayed at her sisiters for ove 6 months with CPS And Family court dening every single motion to lets us live together. Kate with my help finialy had to leave and for the next 3 months lived in motels, sleeping on people couches and floors until we were able to find her an apartment. DSS and CPS would not help us in this finacialy but got a court order that any place she moved into had to be inspected by Susan Loubier first.

She moved to Troy in hope of moving our case out of Schohaire County and to be closer to college. The motion was denied for the transfer so in June 2012 she moved back to Cobleskill and Schoharie county.

During this time we were a solid front working on being a family, with CPS telling Kate and her attorney that they would be more favorable to closing her case if she left me, and worked with them to deny my realtionship with our daughter. In court and to me and my attorney they let us as a family go to doctor appointments together, dinner, visit with friends etc with little or no supervision. They then began a series of rules that limited what we could do together. Where we could go and so on so that it came down to being able to see my daughter maybe 2-3 times a week for a few hours.

After dealing with this the pressure of our stalled relationship intimacy, Kate finailly sucumed to there demands and left our relationship, taking our daughter and walking out on our 10 year realtionship. A week after she entered a new realtion ship with a person who CPS apporved of, even though her had a history of being overly contorlling inrealtionships, 6 months into this relationship she had to have aid from CPS and law officers to leave his home. I was rewarded for trying to warn her of this by having CPS convince her I was just harrasing her. Cps has now reduced my visits to twice a month at an hour each. And I can now no longer call my daughter or have any other contact. 

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#1 General Comment


AUTHOR: Jesse F. - ()

Apologize for the neurosis, but a few edits to my previous post as I failed to proof-read:

Statutory* (from "Staturary", no idea how I managed that) in break 1.

...subsequently had their cases moved immediatly to towns...* (from "subsequently had their cases immediatly in towns") in break 5.

...people have genuinely medically detoriated... (from "people who genuinely medically detoritated") in break 6.

...what they are supposed to... (from "what their supposed to") in break 11.

They're a few other grammatical errors, but these were the glaring ones.

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AUTHOR: Jesse F. - ()

In short, wait for a response by the person to explain before passing judgement. Not entirely fair for you to villify him immediately.

Just because Lone Wolf was placed on the SOR doesn't inherently mean he did anything "immoral"; it's pretty easy to be placed on the SOR if say you're dating a 15 year old and turn 18 (or are already 18). It's not really unusual given how many 15 year olds look like they're 20 years old; when you're going to the same high school as that person, that line gets blurred very, very easily. Staturary rape can get you placed on the SOR, even if you were in a relationship long before you turned 18 with the person. It's one of the biggest complaints about the public registry because this is a real grey area, especially when in a vast majority of the world these type of arrangements (14-15 with 18-21 year olds) are not only common, but enforced.

Love doesn't know age, you know? Now if he was 18+ and with a 10 year old, I totally agree that would definitely be an issue. Also just becasue he's on the SOR, it doesn't mean that the circumstances were true either; false convictions are still pretty common and I can count a few instances locally where people have been accused of stuff that they never did (Which is why I want to offer that insight). They're other cases where I think people should have been arrested for it and put in jail but no one did a d**n thing, so the idiocy and failed system goes both ways, sadly.

Regardless, unless his notoriety / risk rating was high, it doesn't remove a person's right to have a child (That is a basic human right). In an ideal scenario, there would be a watchdog assigned to him and there would just be regular check-ups to make sure that everything is okay and safe.

Some obvious concerns are:

The denial to move the case to another county, the way CPS to my knowledge, legally, should be maintaining the case in the closest court to the children. It's definitely very questionable on their part to deny it, because this was a tactic used by other people to get away from them as well (and subsequently had their cases immediatly in towns that actually knew what the hell they were doing). This should have been a no-contest, and the motion to move should have been submitted to a higher court if they failed to follow their own regulatory procedures. But to act as the devil's advocate, I'll have to be forward that this would most likely be dragged out regardless. The issues with CPS would be a world more managable if the court was actually run better, but at present you're generally treated worse than a criminal.

By any chance do you have any recordings or transcripts of their suggestions to end the relationship? It's a common tactic to separate the family in Schoharie (I don't know if this holds true outside of Schoharie), regardless of the accusations. If they can't separate the parents, they will shift to harassing the children so they act out and subsequently the parents are accused of not being able to manage their children. Pretty ruthless if you ask me, but it's a pattern I've seen. They're a number of people who genuinely medically detoritated from stress as well, and that's part of their game plan; if you burst out in anger or if you start to get sick or see a therapist, they will most likely use that against you. So just try to keep your head up and stay cool.

I'm not sure if I can offer any advice that will help, but discuss with your attorney about moving this case to higher courts out of this county. Most people who attempt to fight it locally end up fighting it for many years and losing, as sad as that is. Alternatively, discuss with your ex girlfriend (Kate) again about moving to get the case moved and re-evaluated, provided she's not in a relationship again.

By any chance did your attorney or the Judge suggest to you or Kate not to fight, that you will lose? I know that's a strange question to ask, but it's important when given context. If either said it, please be clear who did. 

If you want to follow the issues, you can pop over at:


We've been unsuccessful so far in actually combatting things, but awareness is gradually growing, so that's a plus. Personally I'm worn-out and depressed again, which sucks (I've basically reverted to what I was 3 years ago, when I was first depressed). I'm personally fighting APS (or was, I actually won the case but they still haven't lived up to what their supposed to. Hoping soon), so my situation is different. Contemplating a defensive strategy rather than an offensive one at this point (for End Schoharie DSS Corruption) as it generally appears futile to address many of the issues because all of the system's that are supposed to advocate for us seem to be against us as well (And in-line with DSS). It's genuinely a very surreal feeling to think about, I feel out of body almost every day. Very depressing, makes a person question life a lot. 

Best Wishes,

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AUTHOR: Lost Wolf - ()

My ex wife filed a report in 1999 that was unfounded. Medical reports, and staements backed up my not guilty plea. CPS instead of droping the case filled to place my child in foster care for a duration of 3 years un less I plead guilty in court. Even then they lied about what kind of caontact I would have and placed my child for 3 months. Even after a lie dector test and three evaluations that cleared they still would not drop the case. And with a divoce filled by me onmy ex wife they used it to say I was guilty. When I went to court for this, they did not alow the medical records ofr my evaluations in to evidence or the staements made by my daughter. I was advised by my attoreny to pled out for the best reult. He should not have represnted me as he was also a Assitent DA for the couth at the time which I did not now. When I was releaed I was given no restrictions no probation  nothing. I have a appeal in on this case which has been siting in hte court since before my second child was born. It also has to go before the same Judge Bartlet.

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The SOR?

AUTHOR: Robert - ()

By chance could SOR by chance mean the "Sex Offender Registry"?

You don't just get "placed" on the registry for no reason out of the blue.  Since you pretty much tried to gloss over that little bit of information I guess that the reason you were placed on it was valid.    Perhaps this same reason is justification why you should never even be near another child the rest of your life.

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