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Complaint Review: Selah Ranch All Animal Rescue

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  • Submitted: Wed, December 18, 2013
  • Updated: Wed, December 18, 2013

  • Reported By: Justice — Everywhere Virginia
Selah Ranch All Animal Rescue
26 Russell rock Lane Greenville, Virginia USA

Selah Ranch All Animal Rescue Cami Lyn Martin,Camilla L AdamsCamilla AdamsCami L AdamsCami BrockCami L BrockCami L HallCami Selah Ranch all Animal Rescue Run By Cami Lyn Martin. Make up your own mind Good or Bad or just a CASH COW SCAM? Greenville Virginia

*General Comment: More lies Kitty?

*Author of original report: Blah Blah Blah and again they have proven they are a scam

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: We are the target of a facebook hate group who targets high profile rescues

*Author of original report: We shall see and we are watching.

*Author of original report: I Sorry I Made A Mistake.

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In July of 2013 the U.S. heard about Hero the calf that had major damaged to all four hoofs.  How a rescue had stepped in to help save the cow life by becoming a 501.c.3 to help with his very expensive very long recovery of amputating all for hoofs and giving him prosthetics. Many of the people wanted to know why? Which as one FB user has stated “Because he is a Cash Cow, a way of receiving 10’s of 1000’s of untraceable donations from hard working people that have big hearts” 

Many people still don’t understand why you would wish to save a regular calf and put him through yrs of pain. Who is going to continue paying for him for the rest of his life? He is going to grow and new legs will have to be made for him and changed ect. What happens to him if they can no longer care for him or god for bid they pass away who is going to step up for the cost of his care?  There is nothing special about this calf. [continued below]....

..... He doesn’t come from a blood line that is in danger and needs to be saved for fear of breed extinction. The thing with saving animals such as this it the fact the public are hero junkies and want to jump on a band wagon for the pat on the back. However as the wagon rolls down more and more people jump off that wagon and onto the next big adrenaline wagon. Ask any Equine rescue that pulls horses from the kill auctions and lots. Once the animal is saved there isn’t any more incoming funds for them. The vetting, feed and care then falls on the funds of the rescue. Does Selah have the funds to continue to care for this calf for the next 20 yrs of its life?

Now onto the more important matter. The legitimacy of  Selah Ranch it’s self.

They claim to be a Not for Profit 501.c.3. This has been all questioned and instead of them coming back with honest answers have pointing fingers and screaming foul. How they are being stalked and harassed and threatening those that ask questions and or post the proof that their claims are false. Anyone that deals in rescue and 501.c.3 knows that it is a long drawn out process. It can take months to over a year to become one. How it works.

  1. You draw up articles of corporation and form a Board and a Mission Statement.
  2. You secure your cooperation name.
  3. You take you paperwork to your local county with the proper fees for filing County and State.
  4. You must also file in your state to solicited and collect donation.
  5. You contact the IRS for EIN under the Non-profit listing and request the forms to file as a 501.C.3 (Note: is always best to have a lawyer help you with the paperwork)
  6. You will receive a letter confirming they have received you paperwork which at the time you can claim 501.C.3 pending then and only then can you make any such claim.
  7. You will after review which again can take months to over a year. The time will depend if your paperwork is all in order and don’t have to supply anymore information. Once it is granted you will receive your formal letter and then you can change your status to 501.C.3.

NOW some other facts with this. Churches are exempt. You have a 27 month grace period if you donations are under 5k. This gives new Non-profits time to decide if their business is going to make it or not or if they really want to proceed. During this time you are considered a 501.C.3 for filing tax purpose ONLY. They will allow most all your donations to be tax deductible. But again you can not go over 5000.00 a year. In a case such as Selah where we know they went up and well over that because of the situation they could request a Speedy Process and it most likely would be granted.

 

Now the facts.

Selah was not registered as a Not-for-Profit. Yes they are in the Data base however there is no registration showing.

Selah was not registered to solicit and was giving a warning letter by the State of Virginia

Excuse: We told them we were moving to Texas and they said we didn’t need to file it.

Opinion: Yes, if you were moving right away and registering in Texas that would be true

                however you have NOT moved months later and you are not registered in the State of Texas either.  

Selah is not registered with the IRS at this time as a 501.C.3. The IRS can not confirm if they have filed to do so by law nor will they give out the information over the phone if they did indeed register they EIN as such and receive the grace period.

HOWEVER if they have filed for the 501.C.3 then all they have to show is the letter stating the IRS received their paperwork.

EXCUSE: They have not given one to as why they will or can not show it. The say call

                  “Call the IRS they will tell you”

Fact: Have called and was given the information as listed above.

Selah has claimed that they were found in 2008 in Wyoming as private rescue and didn’t file for the Non-profit until the got Hero.

FACT:  The only Wyoming address associated with Cami Lyn Martin and 17 aliases

              belongs to Trailer Park. All other Address of 15 Washington, 5 South Carolina,

              4 North Carolina and 6 Virginia have been houses on lots, Storage unit and State

              Parks camp grounds and one that didn’t look to be anything but a wooded area. .

 

Conclusion:

You can whine, point fingers, cry about stalkers all you want. The truth of the matter is, when you open yourself up to the public and beg for money you better be ready for the questions that come with it. If you are on the up and up and will post out money as it comes in and thank your donor. You do not have to give full name. When money is spent you list that as well. Bills and things posted. Post Receipts of payments. THAT is what keeps you honest in the public’s eye. All this could have been avoided if you were just honest. When mistakes were pointed out you could have said you were sorry and asked for help instead of the name calling and finger pointing. You have now shown your true colors and dishonesty.

P.S. DON’T EVER THREATEN ME WITH A EMPTY THREAT AGAIN BECAUSE THE TRUTH AND PROOF IS ON MY SIDE!!!! 


This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/18/2013 02:59 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Selah-Ranch-All-Animal-Rescue/Greenville-Virginia-24440/Selah-Ranch-All-Animal-Rescue-Cami-Lyn-MartinCamilla-L-AdamsCamilla-AdamsCami-L-AdamsCam-1108083. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 General Comment

More lies Kitty?

AUTHOR: Ann B. - ()

In the first place Ms. Martin I did not write either of these RipOff reports although I agree 110% with what they have said.  Do you really think it is only 5 people now that disagree with what you are doing?  Then again your math isn't your strong suit either. 

Yes, I did in fact file protective orders against you, your husband and michael donnelly after threats were made against me by all 3 of you.  It took the judge less than 5 minutes to sign off on them after he heard the ridiculious things you have accused me of.  But that is where your truth ends.  I went to court and was the only one there. 

I went on Jan. 23 as ordered...AND NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE, not even the lawyer you said you were sending.  The judge had NO information from you or anyone other than me.  I dropped the case after finding out I missed a step in the procedure, a mistake that will not happen again.  So let it be known Mr and Mrs Martin and Michael Donnelly, do not threaten me again because the charges will stick if I need to go again.  Do not incite your followers to threaten or harass me further either.

Truth be told Ms Martin you are the very first rescue I have ever been involved with.  Boy it's been a doozy.  You would have everyone think your problems started with us when the truth is your problems started when you lied the first time.   Funny thing about lies, you can't keep them straight and they just keep compounding. 

Where shall we start?  With your charity (non)status?  You are not a 501(c)(3) or any other kind of charity.  You are under investigation by the state of Virginia for soliciting without filing the proper paperwork.  Texas had never heard of you...they have now.  I expect within a short amount of time they will be getting in touch with you.

You told your followers you had adopted out a bunch of animals that were in VA when the fact of the matter is you sent 9-10 them to  a  shelter that is not no kill.  How nice, you rescued them only to return them right back into danger.  Then there is Daisy.  You say she got away from your husband and he called the AC in MD. 

Truth of the matter is there were no phone calls in December 2013 or January 2014 about a missing black and tan hound bitch.  They did find one in the area he said she got away from him and thank the good Lord above she has been adopted out (after being treated for a massive ear infection) to a good family.  Thank goodness you will never have your hands on her again. 

If you spent as much time looking for a job as you do on FB promoting your cash calf you might not need to beg for funds on a almost daily basis.  It is NOT about you Mr and Mrs Martin, it IS about the animals.  No one that does it right and for the right reasons looks for self glory, which you seem to need on a daily basis. 

Just a footnote, it's amazing how many people are coming out of the woodwork from your past.  Apparently this behavior is nothing new to you.  How sad.

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#2 Author of original report

Blah Blah Blah and again they have proven they are a scam

AUTHOR: Justice - ()

One I am a private person. I am not a part of any group. I have watched your BS unfold for many weeks.

Two Your FB rescue page is a complete and total mess with rantings like a banshee and personal views.

Three A truly organized rescue only posts about their work and the animals in need. They do not attack other organizations and post religious beliefs. Which by the way posting of Religious and Political Beliefs is against the regulations of the 501.C.3 status.

Four Because no one can see any posts of you asking for homes because either your page is such a mess and or you lied about posting it you returned MANY animals to the KILL shelter. 

Five First you post you have good jobs and 90% comes out of your pocket and then you post you don’t have a job and then you make the animals suffer because of it.

Six If you advisor is saying all this crap you are posting is ok, then you need to find another one.

Seven you are a raving luntic that saved an animal that is going to be made to go through pain for your personal gain. His front legs are deformed and anyone with half a wit knows the poor animal needs to be put of his misery and SAVED from your bank account.

Eight Please do everyone a favor and crawl back into the smugg you came from and don’t ever “help” or own another animal. Because help like yours no animal needs. Specially that poor cat that has been sick for months without proper care that you all dumped back at the KILL shelter. 

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

We are the target of a facebook hate group who targets high profile rescues

AUTHOR: Selah Ranch All Animal Rescue - ()

 This group that filed this against Selah Ranch is a hate group that believe they are the facebook rescue police. The page they run is The truth about the pros and cons of rescue. It is a group of 5 women that make up lies and twist truth into half truth. Go to their page and judge for your self. On of them Ann Brooks filed a restraining order stating she was in fear of her life from us. After swearing an oath against purjury. Then she proceeds to target every media report ,and continued to post lies on their page, along with the other hateful women lieing against us. When we called her on the fact if she was so afraid for her life why would she continue harrasing us. I also posted that we would notify the judge about her actions and amazingly she dropped the case before the judge had it scedualed to go to court. Another one of the admins on her page is accused of missing animals and starved horses. If they were professionals as they claim to be, do you think they would act and say the things that are said on the facebook page? They also run the Not so lucky starz page on facebook. We are not the only rescue that this group has targeted. If they devoted as much time as they do stalking the Selah Ranch All animal Rescue page on FB, on helping rescues and animals, this would be a much nicer world, and more animals would be helped.

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#4 Author of original report

We shall see and we are watching.

AUTHOR: Justice - ()

 

December 19, 2013

SELAH RANCH All Animal Rescue

It is with great regret we at Selah Ranch All Animal Rescue must admit to an error brought forth by a blended group of people. We were contacted by a member of the group genuinely interested in speaking with us and they put us in contact with a nonprofit consultant. The nonprofit consultant explained how the paperwork and status works and where we are in the process. We have filed with the state of VA and for an EIN number with the IRS, this for the time being means we are a corporation which is by default tax wise is considered for profit. How the Articles of Incorporation are written clearly shows our intent is nonprofit status but until the forms for status are filed with fees we are a corporation without nonprofit status. We at no time meant to deceive the public. We did not have anyone on our board who understood the paperwork required, and from our understanding speaking to others had done things properly. In fact the consultant stated we had been on the right track, it was a simple matter of understanding how to complete the process. The consultant has explained to use how to rectify the situation and has been hired upon contract completion to assist in completing the process and IRS transparency. This transparency includes being forthcoming with the error made to the IRS and reporting this year’s 990 activities. We will deal with any potential issue with integrity this may cause as we have gone over the set limits for an organization that has not filed. We have chosen to see this as a learning experience, and would like to remind the public to obtain a lawyer or consultant when pursuing 501c3 status it is difficult to obtain.
By January 1st with the consultants help an accounting of all funds to Selah will be made public, as well as our 990 or 990ez. We will complete status and ask to receive donations direct to Selah only after we have received a pending letter. In the mean time we still have the bill for Hero needing to be paid; donations directly to Hero at Texas A&M will be appreciated and are acceptable. We have been to our knowledge transparent with the public; now that our knowledge has expanded we intend to remain transparent. This is the reason we are publically admitting our error and correcting it with our supporters first, the IRS and state of VA. We will be working on status and fill out the forms needed in January.

After speaking with the consultant we learned the group of haters is people who have been or are presently being harmed by fraudulent rescues. Although the intent of all the individuals is not currently known many of them reacted the way they did due to repeat issues and harm perpetrated by rescues committing fraud and harming personal reputations. We now understand the harm unsolicited cruelty can cause personally and our hearts go out to these people. Unfortunately, the unsolicited cruelty made it difficult to recognize the people wondering if we had just made a mistake and willing to assist us if that were the case.

We did know people would have issues with Hero and the surgery. We determined as a group to save his life and have started the process. We understand people are provided it is polite allowed to express opinions on Hero publically, and that many people have strong opinions on the subject. We are even aware of the fact on many levels the person consulting is opposed to the surgery as well, although polite in her explanation of why. We will be unblocking people provided they remain polite who are welcome to express their beliefs provided it is polite and does not become a debate. If the topic of Hero becomes less than polite individuals will be banned again permanently.

On a personal note, we have been rescuing animals with the understanding until explained otherwise we had 501c3 status. Fortunately, Hero’s medical bills can be covered legally through donations to Texas A&M but Selah needs to refrain from donations. As such Kitty and Richard Martin are asking the community for personal assistance in the form of dog food, cat food and cat litter while we await the proper forms and fees being filed to obtain our pending letter. Coupons for animal food and animal products needed by the family for this time period can be sent to 26 Russell Walk Lane; Greenville VA 24440. Once a proper Board of Directors and pending is obtained donations can again go directly to Selah Ranch.

As a final note on the advice of the consultant we will be seeking Board Members, we now have three unrelated members on the Board of Directors per the Conflict of Interest we will have written up. The consultant has stated we should seek members from the Virginia Community who work in administration and business to expand and goals and growth of Selah now and in the future. If interested in the welfare of animals in the next week as we complete paperwork we will consider applications for directors to assist in our public goal of Christ like stewardship to the animals in our care.
We hope to expand our community support through good faith and public transparency.

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#5 Author of original report

I Sorry I Made A Mistake.

AUTHOR: Justice - ()

As it as been pointed out. Yes, I miss typed. I meant to say with the damage of all four and 2 of them being amputated. Yes i do admit when I have made a Mistake and correct it. Snicker.. Get the point. So did i really make a mistake or did I do that to make a point? Smirk.

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