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Complaint Review: Smart Circle, AKA Granton Marketing, DS-Max, Cydcor, Innovage

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  • Submitted: Sat, October 28, 2006
  • Updated: Tue, October 31, 2006

  • Reported By:New York New York
Smart Circle, AKA Granton Marketing, DS-Max, Cydcor, Innovage
5155 Starview Prior Lake, Minnesota U.S.A.

Smart Circle - Granton Marketing, DS-Max, Cydcor, Innovage Illegal solicitation, MLM, Pyramid Scheme, deceptive sales tactics Prior Lake Minnesota

*Author of original report: Fight Back!

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I worked for an affiliate of DS-Max right out of college for over a year. Thanks to them I have been savvy to all scams and deceptive techniques since then. That was several years back but I decided when I learned enough and gained business, marketing experience I would come back and stop them and compaines who operate under similiar business practices. They pay the BBB, change names frequently and establish a network of affilites disconnected but still a financial contributor to the parent company Cydcor. Which by the way was given its name by Larry Tenebaum one of the big three. Avie Roth & Murray Reinhardt are the other two. The name is derived from his children Cydney & Cortney. Avie Roth is the top executive of the entire operation and its affiliates.

The company is a MLM (Multi level Marketing) corporation both illegal in the U.S. and Canada. They make the majority of there money off people not products. They hire employees as independent contrators to further distant themselves from mishaps. They operate hundreds of offices in every major city but again avoid legal action by setting them up as seperate entities. Each office then illegally solicits business's. They never attain proper permits but because of the deceptive paperwork they have you fill out they can deny employment. Only when local authorities are informed of the office address and follow their employees can the office be fined. On paper there is no direct connection. In reality each office and regional manager pays the parent company. Loopholes in tax code are implemented, legal yes but extremely shady.

For those of you wronged, duped, deceived, fined for solicitation, had relationships damaged, and worked under slave wages because you were supposedly paying your dues to become a manager and run your own office, there is more you can do.

Here is one very effective option,
Fight fire with fire. Send them junk mail, SPAM, telemarketing calls, etc. They could end up getting thousands of calls, spam, junk mail, etc. That will slow them down maybe overload their servers, mailboxes and phone lines if a significant number of people fill their information in on a freebie/survey site like:

http://www.leybrown.com/partner/
http://www.webstakes.com
http://www.enter-2-win.com
http://www.freebiesiteslist.com/
http://www.e-researchgroup.com/?config=1139&src=WC-55138aaaCD8291:71795:

If you don't have their information or any other scam companies, personal or business information here is how to get it for free.

Do a reverse lookup on the company. There are many options available; superpages, public records, financial reports, switchboard.com, reunion.com, intelius.com, usaseek.net, Canada411, and jobsites. Scam company job postings on HotJobs, Monster, Careerbuilder, etc. are always the same. They usually have to provide a woking e-mail address.

Once you find their information here is how you can verify that it is really them.
Call them from a pay phone or pay as you go phone.

Use their own sales tactics against them.

Example: All information taken from the corporate site. Mr. Polson (CEO) I was given your name from Mark Litvack (partner at the law firm he once worked for) or better yet use a principal from Mitchell, Silberg & Krupp Attorneys. I represent (some fortune 500 company, i.e the E3 Panel) who is looking to directly promote our products through new channels. If the Answer has something to do with him being affiliated with the company, you have got your confirmation. You don't want to give the main company or he might catch on to quick. This can be reworked and tweaked to be used against anyone that ripped you off.

They are getting better at hiding there tracks but they will never be able to evade completely or forever. There time is running short.

Avie Roth
217 Poplar Plains Rd.
Toronto, ON M4V 2N5
416-921-4969
aroth@cydcor.com
A 1.5 million dollar home 20 minutes from the corporate office.

Cydcor Headquarters
155 Gordon Baker Rd. Ste 212
Willowdale, Ontario
Canada M2H 3NS
p)818.706.9500
F)818.706.9597
contacts@cydcor.com
sking@cydcor.com

Here is the corporate International address for Smart Circle International:

George Graffy, President
2720 Steeles Ave. Ste. 3
Concord Ontario L4K 453 Canada
800-775-1975
info@thesmartcircle.com
ggraffy@thesmartcircle.com

Jack
New York, New York
U.S.A.

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AUTHOR: Steven - (U.S.A.)

I worked for an affiliate of DS-Max right out of college for over a year. Thanks to them I have been savvy to all scams and deceptive techniques since then. That was several years back but I decided when I learned enough and gained business, marketing experience I would come back and stop them and compaines who operate under similiar business practices.

They pay the BBB, change names frequently and establish a network of affilites disconnected but still a financial contributor to the parent company Cydcor. Which by the way was given its name by Larry Tenebaum one of the big three. Avie Roth & Murray Reinhardt are the other two. The name is derived from his children Cydney & Cortney. Avie Roth is the top executive of the entire operation and its affiliates.

The company is a MLM (Multi level Marketing) corporation both illegal in the U.S. and Canada. They make the majority of there money off people not products. They hire employees as independent contrators to further distant themselves from mishaps.

They operate hundreds of offices in every major city but again avoid legal action by setting them up as seperate entities. Each office then illegally solicits business's. They never attain proper permits but because of the deceptive paperwork they have you fill out they can deny employment.

Only when local authorities are informed of the office address and follow their employees can the office be fined. On paper there is no direct connection. In reality each office and regional manager pays the parent company. Loopholes in tax code are implemented, legal yes but extremely shady.

For those of you wronged, duped, deceived, fined for solicitation, had relationships damaged, and worked under slave wages because you were supposedly paying your dues to become a manager and run your own office, there is more you can do.

Here is one very effective option,
Fight fire with fire. Send them junk mail, SPAM, telemarketing calls, etc. They could end up getting thousands of calls, spam, junk mail, etc. That will slow them down maybe overload their servers, mailboxes and phone lines if a significant number of people fill their information in on a freebie/survey site like:

http://www.leybrown.com/partner/
http://www.webstakes.com
http://www.enter-2-win.com
http://www.freebiesiteslist.com/
http://www.e-researchgroup.com/?config=1139&src=WC-55138aaaCD8291:71795:

If you don't have their information or any other scam companies, personal or business information here is how to get it for free.

Do a reverse lookup on the company. There are many options available; superpages, public records, financial reports, switchboard.com, reunion.com, intelius.com, usaseek.net, Canada411, and jobsites. Scam company job postings on HotJobs, Monster, Careerbuilder, etc. are always the same. They usually have to provide a woking e-mail address.

Once you find their information here is how you can verify that it is really them.
Call them from a pay phone or pay as you go phone.

Use their own sales tactics against them.

Example: All information taken from the corporate site. Mr. Polson (CEO) I was given your name from Mark Litvack (partner at the law firm he once worked for) or better yet use a principal from Mitchell, Silberg & Krupp Attorneys. I represent (some fortune 500 company, i.e the E3 Panel) who is looking to directly promote our products through new channels. If the Answer has something to do with him being affiliated with the company, you have got your confirmation. You don't want to give the main company or he might catch on to quick. This can be reworked and tweaked to be used against anyone that ripped you off.

They are getting better at hiding there tracks but they will never be able to evade completely or forever. There time is running short.

Avie Roth
217 Poplar Plains Rd.
Toronto, ON M4V 2N5
416-921-4969
aroth@cydcor.com
A 1.5 million dollar home 20 minutes from the corporate office.

Cydcor Headquarters
155 Gordon Baker Rd. Ste 212
Willowdale, Ontario
Canada M2H 3NS
p)818.706.9500
F)818.706.9597
contacts@cydcor.com
sking@cydcor.com

Here is the corporate International address for Smart Circle International:

George Graffy, President
2720 Steeles Ave. Ste. 3
Concord Ontario L4K 453 Canada
800-775-1975
info@thesmartcircle.com
ggraffy@thesmartcircle.com
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