• Report: #86707

Complaint Review: Streams Ministries

  • Submitted: Mon, April 05, 2004
  • Updated: Thu, December 30, 2010

  • Reported By:Grandview Missouri
Streams Ministries
231 Shaker Street North Sutton, New Hampshire U.S.A.
  • Phone: 888-441-8080
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  • Category: Religion

John Paul Jackson, Head Of Streams Ministries Intl. Minister, author, and TV personality - Biggest JERK in the world - and jerk is an understatement! Big BULLY!!! - The Cain's Will Be Exposed! North Sutton New Hampshire

*General Comment: Expected Response

*Consumer Comment: Tammy your right there has to be accountability!

*Consumer Comment: Gods Amazing Grace

*Consumer Comment: Streams Ministries Helped me and many I know.

*Consumer Comment: i've seen my church take a nosedive since Streams came along

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On April 26, 2003, I returned product to this 'ministry' because it wasn't made well. A couple of weeks later I called to ask if they received it. A girl named Donna answered the phone. I told her all I wanted is to know when I would get my money back, and she hung up on me!

Leviticus 6:1-5
1 The LORD said to Moses: 2 "If anyone sins and is unfaithful to the LORD by deceiving his neighbor about something entrusted to him or left in his care or stolen, or if he cheats him, 3 or if he finds lost property and lies about it, or if he swears falsely, or if he commits any such sin that people may do- 4 when he thus sins and becomes guilty, he must return what he has stolen or taken by extortion, or what was entrusted to him, or the lost property he found, 5 or whatever it was he swore falsely about. He must make restitution in full, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the owner on the day he presents his guilt offering.

Proverbs 10:9
9 The man of integrity walks securely, but he who takes crooked paths will be found out.


A friend of mine told me a story about Jim Jones you know, that guy in the seventies. He told me that Jim Jones would single out individuals in a crowd, shine a spotlight on them, and have them forcibly removed from the building by his ushers. The person would then be ostracized and alienated from the group. When he told me this, I thought whoooa! This sounds very familiar.because that is what is happening to me with this John Paul guy!

A ministry that cares for people does whatever they can to help people grow in Christ. A ministry that cares about people doesn't rob them, shove them out the church doors, call the police on them, or threaten to have them arrested and put in jail. John Paul, you don't care about ministry. You don't have a ministry. What you have is a commercialized business that only cares about money. Christ-centered ministries don't intentionally cause harm to another person over and over again, and do the work of the devil.

BEGINNING MARCH 11, 2004 Cain will be exposed- Ministries that attempted to "destroy and kill their brothers because of jealousy, accusation, and hatred, will be banished for a season until they are humble again. Then they will bring forth an "Enoch" move of the Spirit. These "Cain" type leaders will love their sons in the Kingdom and even build huge works honoring them, leaving them an inheritance for future generations.

Genesis 4:16-17, Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And Cain built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son - ENOCH. Even though the "Abels" were destroyed because of these jealous, hateful Cains of the church, God will restore and place an even greater anointing upon the newborn generation. This generation will come in the stead of Abel and they will give birth to a spiritual movement, unprecedented, like no other, having no previous example but the Bible. Then men will begin to call on the name of the Lord throughout the earth.

Genesis 4:25-26, And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, for God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed. And as for Seth, to him also a son was born, and he named him Enos. THEN MEN BEGAN TO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD."

[From www.KimClement.com]

Tammy
Grandview, Missouri
U.S.A.

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#1 General Comment

Expected Response

AUTHOR: Anonymous - ()

There's an old Army saying that applies here - "Everyone's out of step except Joe." Joe, of course, believes he's the only one who is doing "life" correctly, while he remains blissfully unaware of his own part in the problems he encounters everywhere he goes.

If Tammy, who goes on and on and on with Bible verses to prove her own "rightness" in this exchange, displayed the same disdain for the "girl named Donna," and expressed her disappointment in her delayed refund with the same volubility, the best way for the employee to handle Tammy the Unreasonable's call was to end the call as graciously and quickly as possible.  It is not StreamsMInistry that is exposed here, but the immature, self-righteous consumer. 

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#2 Consumer Comment

Tammy your right there has to be accountability!

AUTHOR: rebuker - (United States of America)

Have a friend who has gone through very thing (threatening to call the cops and have you thrown out of their evil regime's is there motive of operation (they're Not christian and or churches they don't know what true ones are). Operate more like witches/warlocks. Matthew 18:15-17, when it's like this just go to the media and put it on a postcard also to the following.

Please send ALL your reports to the following list. This friend could write books on other people's war stories and abuse of the churches in fact she has (10 Lies that The Church Tells Women by J. Lee Grady is just one of many given volumes of abuse in the church). The ones that agree with White Dove, Paul Keith Davis (who needs to be investigated, she gets violently sick when he's on platform-indicative of something) and those mentioned. She had a similiar experience at Pasadena IHOP by Cheryl and calling Mike Bickle to deal with it and look at where they're at making news for stealing Pancake House Logo? Anyway, this list was created for these men to deal with such matters, so please report.

Also, read the comments by rose-colored brainwashed christians who don't research a matter. If you want feedback on someone you Google their name and ministry and type in people's negative feedback and or controversial articles and watch the dogma hit the fan (get exposed). InPlainSite.org, rickross.com, Trinity Foundation, Dallas, TX; sheepleblog.net, report to Bill/Jackie Alnor. John Goodwin wrote a very good article on exposing Vineyard. If you know of other entities, please advice (cult.link etc). Get my email address from ripoffreport.com (how do we get in touch so can put you in touch with this person). She's been at it for 10 years with this list not to mention the media.

By the way this is Vineyardites fruit of how they behave, maybe they're not VCFites now but friend would have a sign on her door, no vcfites allowed. Anaheim has spies that report back to whatever warlock like Lindauer's, Korstoph's (another friend said the woman-wife of followed her around the church), K. Larson and Collie). ALL churches have spies unfortunately. If, thefalse church is not doing charity, social, humanity and education then they're in it for the money, building their empire in real estate, monies, your paying for their bills and child's education but they won't help you when lose your job/house very, very few exceptions. "All churches are cults" per Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola, Arthur Katz and Leonard Ravenhill's written works and Don't Call Me Brother by Austin Miles; second book. Tammy, your doing the right thing. I'm not sure how these people don't think these items will go public and make world wide news, magazines, newspapers, radio and books-"sin makes you stupid". Friend has told this list if anyone messes with her or anyone and she hears about it, it's going to make world wide news including head of IRS, House/Senate; if they want their 15 minutes of fame they can have it. SO YOU BETTER BEHAVE CHRISTIAN ALL THE TIME.

REPORT CHURCH, CHRISTIAN, SHELTER ABUSE TO THE FOLLOWING:

POST CARD IS FINE and name names!

1. David Wilkerson, World Challenge, -Attn: Eve Wilkerson- P.O. Box 260 Lindale, TX 75771 and 8061 State Highway 110 N Lindale, TX 75771 -(903) 963-8626 -call him and report immediately and name names!

2. Mike Bickle, Friends of the Bridegroom 3507 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City , MO 64137

3. J. Lee Grady, Editor Charisma 600 Rinehart Rd. Dr. Lake Mary , Florida 32746

4. Dr. James Dobson, Attn: Ken Janzen/H.B. London, Office of the President Focus on the Family-Colorado Springs , CO 80995 (correct).

5. Moody Monthly, Editor 820 N. La Salle Chicago , IL 60610

6. Christianity Today Editor 465 Gundersen Drive Carol Stream , IL 60188

7. C. Peter Wagner Global Harvest Ministries P.O. Box 63060 Colorado Springs, CO 80962 Phone: (719) 262-9922 Fax: (719) 262-9920 Email: info@globalharvest.org

8. John Whitehead, Attorney@ Law Rutherford Institution The Rutherford Institute-Post Office Box 7482 Charlottesville,VA 22906-7482 Phone:(434) 978-3888 ;*Fax:(434)978-1789*(8:30 AM - 5:00 PM EST)

9. George Barna-Barna Research Group Email admin@barna.org <mailto:admin@barna.org Telephone - 805.639.0000 /800.55.BARNA (US only) Fax 805.658.7298 ; 2368 Eastman Ave. Unit 12 Ventura , California 93003

10. Lori Arnold, Christian Examiner P.O. Box 2606 El Cajon , CA 92021

11. John Fugler, Christian Examiner P.O. Box 4937 San Luis Obispo , CA 93430

12. Rick Joyner, Morningstar, P.O. Box 440 Wilkesboro , NC 28697 *

13. Trinity Foundation Attn: Ole Anthony & Pete Evans Get Address Dallas, TX (800) 229-victim - 5622 Columbia Ave- Dallas , TX 75214 -(214) 827-2625 (not Tennessee one, not same).

14. Wall Watchers - 2514 Plantation Center Drive -Matthews, NC 28105 -Email: info@wallwatchers.org <mailto:info@wallwatchers.org -Toll Free: (866) 364-9980 Web Sites: www.wallwatchers.org

15. Email rickross.com on abuse and also read his items, got a lot on Victory Outreach-he takes all church abuse from A-Z.

16.Google: Ron Enroth and read his articles on brainwashing of youth-which the church world does, always going after the youth, GOD IS NOT GOING TO EXCLUDE THE ELDERLY especially since these stupid leadership/churches need their money to fund their dreams, philanthropic lifestyles (same w***e different dress-think about that, w***e takes money). I also write him, Dr. Ron Enroth Westmont College 955 La Paz Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93108 (805) 565-6776-email and write and or call.

17.

Read Bill/Jackie Alnor items especially re: Joel Osteen; (not to mention report church abuse).

18.

Read John Goodwin's article on Vineyard!(report to them also) backside has more information that you should know thats urgent!

19. James Lloyd-Christian Media Network (google) and notify him also-hes calling men liars that need to be called liars (Box 448, Jacksonville OR 97530 | 541-899-8888 ).

20. Dan K. Merchant-if correct address: Watch DVD-Jesus Save Us From Your Followers-17370 Alpine Way, Lake Oswego, OR?503-699-1926 see DVD website for correct info.

21. Also, Joel John Roberts-PATH 340 n. Madison, Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 900004 Path@epath.org-(323-644-2200).

22. USC Religion Department-School of Religion-University of Southern California
825 Bloom Walk, ACB 130-Los Angeles, CA 90089-1481-Phone: (213) 740-0270, (213) 740-0272
Fax: (213) 740-7158-Robert Campney-last known in charge.

23. Yale Religion Department-Harry S. Stout-Department Chair-Mailing Address:
Department of Religious Studies-P.O. Box 208287-New Haven, CT 06520-8287-Phone (203) 432-0828/Fax (203-432-7844)

24. Harvard Religion Department Harvard University-1350 Massachusetts Avenue-Holyoke Center 350-Cambridge, MA 02138-3654-telephone: 617-495-531/telephone: 617-495-5396/facsimile: 617-496-5333/puett@fas.harvard.edu. tamsin_jones@harvard.edu. clockw@fas.harvard.edu. jgyatso@hds.harvard.edu. bboles@fas.harvard.edu. kathryn_kunkel@harvard.edu. csrel@fas.harvard.edu.

25. Biola University-Barry Corey-President-13800 Biola Avenue-La Mirada, California 90639-0001-1-562-903-6000

26. Azusa Pacific University-901 E. Alosta Ave.-Azusa , CA 91702 -(626) 969-3434-John Wallace, President

27. Life Bible College (as much as think theyre a cult/very evil-they get copied in-1100 W. Covina Blvd. San Dimas, CA 91773-3298 (909) 599-5433

28. Fuller Seminary 135 N. Oakland Avenue Pasadena , CA 91182-Billy Berger-Dean/President (heard now it's a Richard Mouw

29. Los Angeles Times, Russ Stanton, Editor and Kim Christensen-writer-202 W. 1st St. Los Angeles , CA 90012 . Phone: (213) 237-5000. Fax: (213) 237-7679 ...(editor's also change -always check).

30.James Sundquist-Google Him and report church abuse and sign affadavit of releaseso he can post the offense and abuse-Thank you!

31. Sheepleblog.net-post church abuse like on Rick Ross.com .32.Dallas Theological Seminary-3909 Swiss Avenue, Dallas, TX 75204 800-387-9673

33.The Rick A. Ross Institute-Hours M-F: 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM EST
1977 N. Olden Ave. Ext #272-Trenton, NJ 08618-Phone: (609) 396-6684

Fax: (609) 964-1842-email: info@rickross.com

URL: http://www.rickross.com

34 InPlainSite.Org (report to her)-there's a section for it.

35. Simon Hensman (attn) at Ben Israel.org in Minnesota they should also know. .

BEST WISHES. All people should report church abuse and injustices. "As the church goes so goes the world", if the world is corrupt it's because the church is. Report if they're praying for people to die and cursing them with cancer and or lose everything they own to come to Christ and or endorsing Oral Sex/Sodomy from private counseling, pulpit, banquets and or Sunday School Classes. Friend names names; told them in 2004 that was going to happen and that they had platform, radio and conferences to educate the people and their evil leadership ("the whole body of the fish stinks from the head)". God doesn't get any money, it goes to the pastor and leadership and their lifestyle-follow that trail and lies. Friend calls them habitual liars, spiritual vampires and spiritual cannibals protecting their dynasty at any cost and hope they don't die nasty (look at vcf (riddled with cancer and whatever else, a lot of their leadership is deceased). Best wishes. ROS

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#3 Consumer Comment

Gods Amazing Grace

AUTHOR: Loretta - (United States of America)

I have taken some of these couses offered by Streams Ministeries, and appreciate every one of them. These classes have helped me to understand some things about the bible and God I never knew before. I encourage anyone who has a desire to get an understanding, to engage in these classes without fear.


Even in our secular things in life people try to attain knowledge by attending a great accredited college to obtain a higher education to better themselves and the enviroment we all live in and create for ourselves and our familys.


So I like would like to thank Streams Ministeries publicly for being available for higher education in the spiritual things we need to learn in our lives.


God bless all those who honor God especially through love.


Loretta

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Streams Ministries Helped me and many I know.

AUTHOR: Dc - (U.S.A.)

You may notice that all the reports against this ministry is from the same person. Several years ago I became aquainted with Streams ministries and John Paul Jackson and many from his ministry. I can't tell you how blessed I have been because of it. I have grown in leaps and bounds from going to the many courses and conferences and online training. I have not seen any of what this other person has complained about.

I have been very impressed with John Paul Jackson's character and he stresses character in his deep teachings. He has often shared publicly in humility his shortcomings. I have never seen pride in this man. I know many people who are very familiar with the ministry and they like me have a great admiration for this ministry. I felt to share this to protect a wonderful ministry that deserves the truth to be known.
God Bless,
DC
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#5 Consumer Comment

i've seen my church take a nosedive since Streams came along

AUTHOR: Delusiondispeller - (U.S.A.)

Tammy,

I was doing a search on jpj and Streams ministries, and I found this page with your story on it. First of all, let me tell you that I BELIEVE you. I have counselled many people who have endured spiritual abuse and I've gone through it at the hands of "ministers" as well, even in their homes! I'm very keen on what it looks and feels like and I am so sorry you have become yet another target of this!

As far as JP, I don't know the man. I had gone back to a church I'd left several years ago because of some doctrine that made me uncomfortable, and I was welcomed back with open arms, had a wonderful forming relationship with my pastor, even was involved in some ministries with him and his wife within our church.

Next thing I knew, we were told of this STREAMS prophetic ministries that would be offering classes on Dream Interp and Prophesying. I immediately got a "check" in my spirit and decided NOT to invest the money nor attend classes. I'm thankful I listened to my spirit, which houses HOLY SPIRIT. Recently I'm finding out why my decision was a wise one.

Although there has been no rip-offs that I know of, since everyone in the church who wanted to, was allowed to join the STREAMS classes and did not change their minds, there has been an abrupt change in the church people. I thought at first it had to do with the Lakeland Revival experience, but no...not totally. Since JPJ and STREAMS entered our church, people hardly talk to those who are not taking the classes, they turn their noses up or make odd faces at you unless you are with them.

At a time when my pastor had some of us form groups in the church to pray and prophesy over people, it was the STREAMS class people who ran the roost. One lady was hesitant to let me give any input of prophecy over a man, but then later allowed me to and was FLOORED that I could be so accurate. I guess if you don't take the classes, they don't think you are able to hear from God. What they didn't realize is that I've been walking in the prophetic realm for 3 years now, with no assistance from JPJ or STreAMS and i've been very much hearing from God and encouraging people in their walk with the Lord.

I guess my complaint is that the LOVE has gone out the window at church ever since the "gifts" have walked in the door through STreAMS. There were also prophesy tents set up in my town, with a sign that said "READINGS HERE" or some such thing. Are we now copying the world to woo the world toward God? Scary to me! This one guy today gave a message telling us that the earth is alive, has a body, soul, spirit, etc. I'll let him believe that is literal, but I personally believe that there is a lot of symbolic stuff in the Bible. He bases his beliefs on the fact that we should not decry against other belief systems as being demonic, when we could learn a LOT from them. I'm sorry, but there are people the Bible tells us NOT to learn from. Where are the moral absolutes of JPJ's STREAMS ministry?

Well, basically, I'm at a crossroads again. I'm going to stick it out till I have a confirmation to head out, and I will be praying for all involved while I am there, but I did not let JPJ's guy lay hands on me or impart to me today and I'm not about to just carelessly let anyone do that, esp now.

Tammy, God bless you and be with you as you reclaim your identity from this awful experience. There is so much more I could say about other things, but I'm reserving comment for now. If you want to email me privately, please do so.
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