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Complaint Review: The Scam Team - Faithfinders

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  • Submitted: Sun, July 01, 2007
  • Updated: Wed, July 08, 2009

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The Scam Team - Faithfinders
7659 Elk Court Littleton, Colorado U.S.A.

The Scam Team - Faithfinders - Sandy & Jeff Chrisman, Et Al Scammed, Threatened, & Fraudulent Practices ripoff Littleton Colorado

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Faithfinders is CFE certified

*UPDATE Employee: Natalie Downing

*Consumer Suggestion: ASK NAtalie how her mommy is.

*UPDATE Employee: Natalie Downing a liar and thief Christine Buda Chatherine Buda scammers

*UPDATE Employee: Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

*UPDATE Employee: Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

*UPDATE Employee: Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

*UPDATE Employee: Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

*Author of original report: Chrismans are Liars, Cheats and Bullies

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

*UPDATE Employee: YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

*UPDATE Employee: YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

*UPDATE Employee: YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

*Author of original report: Help is on the way Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team -- Sandy Chrisman, et al

*Author of original report: Help is on the way Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team -- Sandy Chrisman, et al

*Author of original report: Help is on the way Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team -- Sandy Chrisman, et al

*Author of original report: Help is on the way Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team -- Sandy Chrisman, et al

*Author of original report: VIOLENCE IN THE CHRISMAN CLAN -- THE SCAM TEAM LOSES AGAIN!

*Consumer Comment: You stupid are clueless

*UPDATE Employee: baisless false lies read it again here it is

*UPDATE Employee: Again read. it is case law. you lost.

*Author of original report: Faithfinders - The Scam Team

*Author of original report: Faithfinders - The Scam Team

*UPDATE Employee: Look it up in federal court or ask guenther she recieved a copy from the court.

*Consumer Suggestion: Faithfinders - The Scam Team

*UPDATE Employee: This is a lie they are mad becouse they lost read the ruling.

*Author of original report: Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

*Author of original report: Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

*Author of original report: Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

*Author of original report: Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

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The owners of this company are Jeff & Sandy Chrisman. They are now calling themselves "The Scam Team" and this is what they do best -- SCAM the unsuspecting consumer. This company has tried to bully, threaten and intimidate anyone who has done business with them. Since they are unlicensed PIs they believe they are above the law.

The Chrisman's are convicted spousal abusers and therefore very violent. Also, Jeff Chrisman is a convicted identity theft man and there have been incidences that he violated the laws and sent private-client attorney information to an opposing side in a lawsuite so he could retaliate against his wife. Because of Jeff Chrisman's convictions he is not allowed to do business as a PI, but violates the law and uses his wife's PI business.

The Chrisman's do illegal background searches and have other people's social security numbers to track them. Once confronted, Jeff Chrisman will retaliate against a person by threatening to expose them and doctor up information against them. Jeff Chrisman will intentionally send a victim porn websites that he has visited to frighten and bully them. The Chrisman's will call that person's job with false information. Sandy Chrisman has extorted money from a Pastor who willingly/legally received from her father some money. The Chrisman's have gone so far as to claim that Sandy's father was murdered by a poisonous tea bag, but the death certificate indicated he died of a heart attack.

The Scam Team consists of other family members (Debra Brown, Jason Dedrick, Krista Dedrick and Lynn Stickel) who threaten, bully and intimidate witnesses to their cause. They also use members of their church to do their dirty work for them so they look blameless. The Chrisman's have published slander/libel in various newspapers in Colorado, Arizona and Oklahoma to try andy bully defendants even before a trial so that they can sway a judge and jury.

The Chrisman's are very violent people and will use highly confidential information to try and stop witnesses and people who defend themselves against these unlicensed PIs. The Chrisman's pass themselves off as doing business as collections for which they are not licensed in Colorado. They also profess that they do legal work and more. Again, they are not a licensed attorney.

BEWARE! THEY WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN.

Sharon
New York, New York
U.S.A.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Faithfinders is CFE certified

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Faithfinders is a certified company. look it up they are CFE certified. Whcich meens they can be expert witnesses. among other items.
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#2 UPDATE Employee

Natalie Downing

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Natalie Anne Downing...Chambers
Natalie,
We have all the info on you and will be coming to collect better keep running. Here it is you scammer.

Margaret Tison
TISON, MARGARET ELIZABETH

Margaret Elizabeth Lefevers Tison, 77 passed away Friday night, March 14, 2008 in Gainesville, Florida. She was a resident of Hawthorne, Florida. She moved to Florida from Indiana 53 years ago. She retired from Sunland Training Center after 28 years as a Cottage Supervisor. She was a member of Smyrna Assembly of God in Smyrna, Georgia.

She is survived by 2 sons, Larry R. Tison, Waterbury, Connecticut and Don B. Tison, Alpharetta, Georgia; 3 daughters, Becky Uzowihe of Marietta, Georgia, JoAnne Arenz of Hawthorne, Florida and Natalie Anne Downing of Tulsa, Oklahoma; 3 brothers, Thomas H. Lefevers of Graham, Florida, John R. Lefevers of Gibsonton, Florida and Jack D. Lefevers of Indianapolis, Indiana; 1 sister, Hazel M. Laney of Gibsonton, Florida; 16 grandchildren; 8 great grandchildren and her ex-husband, George E. Tison of Hawthorne, Florida.

She was preceded in death by her parents, Isaac Lefevers and Hattie Huff Lefevers. She leaves behind a host of loved ones and friends.

Graveside Services will be held Wednesday, March 19, 2007, 11:00 a.m. at Fairbanks Cemetery in Fairbanks, Florida with Pastor Shell Osbon officiating.

Arrangements are under the care WILLIAMS-THOMAS HAWTHORNE FUNERAL HOME, US 301 South at Lake
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

ASK NAtalie how her mommy is.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Ask Natalie Downing how her Mommy is we now know all about her and her family! Two brothers and two sisters, just like it is listed in the obit. HA HA We have all the info on natalie! Tison, Mari Anne Downing what ever name she is using now wont help they are onto you keep running.....Say hi to daddy lately?
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#4 UPDATE Employee

Natalie Downing a liar and thief Christine Buda Chatherine Buda scammers

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!
Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda

If you dont like it sue us you chickens....wait you cant becouse you lost the judgment.....................opps
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#5 UPDATE Employee

Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Oklahoma District Court Records
> Disclaimer Home
> Back New Search Search Again OCIS Counties Search Hints Case Detail
> County: Creek (Drumright) - County Last Updated:
> 04/09/2008 12:17
> Case: CF-96-00098
> STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. CHAMBERS, JOHNNY Date Filed: 12/13/1996 Amount
> Owed: $13.00 (as of 04/09/2008 12:17) Offense ASSAULT & BATTERY
> W/DANGEROUS WEAPON - AUTOMOBILE
>
> Parties Defendant CHAMBERS, JOHNNY
> Case Entries Date: Case Entries Amount
> 03/22/2006 SEE APPEARANCE DOCKET FOR PREVIOUS FILINGS
>
> COST FROM APPEARANCE DOCKET $13.00
> Total: $13.00
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#6 UPDATE Employee

Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Oklahoma District Court Records
> Disclaimer Home
> Back New Search Search Again OCIS Counties Search Hints Case Detail
> County: Creek (Drumright) - County Last Updated:
> 04/09/2008 12:17
> Case: CF-96-00098
> STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. CHAMBERS, JOHNNY Date Filed: 12/13/1996 Amount
> Owed: $13.00 (as of 04/09/2008 12:17) Offense ASSAULT & BATTERY
> W/DANGEROUS WEAPON - AUTOMOBILE
>
> Parties Defendant CHAMBERS, JOHNNY
> Case Entries Date: Case Entries Amount
> 03/22/2006 SEE APPEARANCE DOCKET FOR PREVIOUS FILINGS
>
> COST FROM APPEARANCE DOCKET $13.00
> Total: $13.00
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Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Oklahoma District Court Records
> Disclaimer Home
> Back New Search Search Again OCIS Counties Search Hints Case Detail
> County: Creek (Drumright) - County Last Updated:
> 04/09/2008 12:17
> Case: CF-96-00098
> STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. CHAMBERS, JOHNNY Date Filed: 12/13/1996 Amount
> Owed: $13.00 (as of 04/09/2008 12:17) Offense ASSAULT & BATTERY
> W/DANGEROUS WEAPON - AUTOMOBILE
>
> Parties Defendant CHAMBERS, JOHNNY
> Case Entries Date: Case Entries Amount
> 03/22/2006 SEE APPEARANCE DOCKET FOR PREVIOUS FILINGS
>
> COST FROM APPEARANCE DOCKET $13.00
> Total: $13.00
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#8 UPDATE Employee

Looks like the Chambers are the one who are dangerous.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Oklahoma District Court Records
> Disclaimer Home
> Back New Search Search Again OCIS Counties Search Hints Case Detail
> County: Creek (Drumright) - County Last Updated:
> 04/09/2008 12:17
> Case: CF-96-00098
> STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. CHAMBERS, JOHNNY Date Filed: 12/13/1996 Amount
> Owed: $13.00 (as of 04/09/2008 12:17) Offense ASSAULT & BATTERY
> W/DANGEROUS WEAPON - AUTOMOBILE
>
> Parties Defendant CHAMBERS, JOHNNY
> Case Entries Date: Case Entries Amount
> 03/22/2006 SEE APPEARANCE DOCKET FOR PREVIOUS FILINGS
>
> COST FROM APPEARANCE DOCKET $13.00
> Total: $13.00
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#9 Author of original report

Chrismans are Liars, Cheats and Bullies

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Case Number: 00GS259260 Case Information
Status: CLOSE Courtroom:
Case Type: Violation Date: 07/08/2000
Location: 4023 W KENYON AVE
Domestic Violence: YES Date Filed:

Party Information
Party Type Last Name First Name MI Suffix DOB Party Status
DEFENDANT CHRISMAN JEFFREY M 07/10/1964
Race Hair Weight Height Eyes Eyeglasses
WHITE BLONDE 225 601 GREEN
Attorney Number Attorney Name


Violation Information
Violations Description Points Disposition
38-71 DESTRUCTION PRIVATE PROPERTY DISMISSED
38-89 DISTURBING THE PEACE GUILTY
38-93 ASSAULT DISMISSED
Action Information
Date Crtrm Judicial Officer Action Amount Dispo
05/11/2002 00:00 (CNV) PROBATION CONVERSION
09/15/2000 08:30 117M RETURN ON PSI
09/15/2000 00:00 117M CNV FINAL DISPOSITION
09/15/2000 00:00 DEAD JACKET
09/15/2000 00:00 117M FINE/COSTS TOTAL
08/21/2000 08:00 117M JURY TRIAL
07/28/2000 08:22 PROB PROBATION REFERRAL RECEIVED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M PROTECTION ORDER CANCELED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV GUILTY PLEA
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV CONTINUED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/09/2000 11:00 12T ARRAIGNMENT
07/09/2000 00:00 117M CNV COURTRM REASSIGNED
07/09/2000 00:00 12T CNV NOT GUILTY PLEA
07/08/2000 00:00 DEFENDANT JAILED
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP
Minutes
09-15-00.BOND RELEASED COURTRM/117M.
07-09-00.BOND SET AT $ 750.00 COURTRM/12T.

01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
Minutes
09-15-00.DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM ORDERED COURTRM/117M.
09-15-00.JAIL IMPOSED 365 DAY(S). COURTRM/117M.
09-15-00.JAIL SUSPENDED 365 DAY(S).
09-15-00.PROBATION GRANTED COURTRM/117M.
09-15-00.SPECIAL CONDITIONS COURTRM/117M.

01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
Minutes
09-15-00.COURT COSTS IMPOSED $ 18.00
09-15-00.COURT COSTS PAID $ 18.00
07-10-00.JURY FEE PAID $ 25.00
09-15-00.JURY FEE REFUNDED COURTRM/117M.
09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE $ 11.00
09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE PAID $ 11.00
09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS IMPOSED $ 100.00 COURTRM/117M.
09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS PAID $ 100.00
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#10 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda
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Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda
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Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda
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Faithfinders, Inc GREAT!

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda
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YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn Stickel, as personal representative

for the estate of Robert Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

))))))))))))))

No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant's request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther's now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a party's legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the following reasons:
(1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (
3) fraud (whether heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other misconduct of an adverse party; (
4) the judgment is void;
(5) the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant's Motion must be considered under reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate extraordinary circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case]. Martella v. Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land & Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther's primary issue with the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this case was because she had just moved out of Tulsa, Oklahoma and was going on a missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . .Def.'s March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the Court's judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this action. Accordingly, Defendant's Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, IT IS ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.


DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007 '
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#15 UPDATE Employee

YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn Stickel, as personal representative

for the estate of Robert Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

))))))))))))))

No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant's request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther's now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a party's legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the following reasons:
(1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (
3) fraud (whether heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other misconduct of an adverse party; (
4) the judgment is void;
(5) the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant's Motion must be considered under reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate extraordinary circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case]. Martella v. Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land & Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther's primary issue with the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this case was because she had just moved out of Tulsa, Oklahoma and was going on a missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . .Def.'s March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the Court's judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this action. Accordingly, Defendant's Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, IT IS ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.


DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007 '
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YOU LOST Buda, chamber, guenther

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn Stickel, as personal representative

for the estate of Robert Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

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No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant's request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther's now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a party's legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the following reasons:
(1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (
3) fraud (whether heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other misconduct of an adverse party; (
4) the judgment is void;
(5) the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant's Motion must be considered under reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate extraordinary circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case]. Martella v. Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land & Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther's primary issue with the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this case was because she had just moved out of Tulsa, Oklahoma and was going on a missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . .Def.'s March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the Court's judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this action. Accordingly, Defendant's Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons, IT IS ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.


DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007 '
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Hey clueless one's, here is the help that you need. It tells a lot as to how you are treating innocent people and why. Since you abuse each other, this article tells what innocent children are going through because of the abuse that you are doing to each other and other people. Your postings are very infantile and it depicts what the mental state you are in. More than likely, this has happened to you all and now you are lashing out at others who stand up to bullies like you. No one in their right mind would hire you as a PI because your mental capabilities are nil. It it really sad that you won't get the help you really need. The turmoil within this business/family must be tremendous and it must seem to you there is no way out. Children within an abusive relationship deserve better then what is given them. GET THE HELP NOW before it is too late!

The pain of watching abuse can linger for years and years
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May 28, 1995 6:00 AM
Sometimes the wounds are invisible, hidden scars in a tiny psyche, torn apart as a loved one is beaten. Watching, in the words of one social worker, "Mommy and daddy self-destructing before their eyes."

For the children who witness domestic violence, the pain from those invisible wounds can linger years after the blows stop -- sometimes masked by drugs or alcohol, sometimes hidden as they lash out at the world.

But experts say none of the children escape.

"They're all trauma victims," Dartmouth High School social worker James Ryan said. "It's like war. You don't walk out of the situation unscathed. Every clinician in every school deals with this."

What the professionals say they're dealing with, are traumatized youth deprived of a basic ingredient in development: a feeling of security.

"As a child, you're getting impressions of the world around you," said Maggie Rezendes, a social worker at the Family Service Association of Fall River. "The major thing that goes through these kids' heads is, 'If I'm not safe at home, am I going to be safe at school, in the world?' "

But that is just one of the effects that are clear to anyone who cares enough to look, several experts said.

"They all feel, I'm worthless, I'm a nobody, I can't do anything," said Jennifer Robertson, director of the Advocates for Women and Kids in Emergencies program at Boston Children's Hospital. "There are so many ramifications."

Some of those ramifications are far reaching. According to one study, children from abusive homes are six or seven times more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol as those who don't come from those types of homes. Seventy percent of the children who grow up in abusive homes are likely to become abusive in their own relationships. An Oregon study found that 68 percent of juvenile offenders come from violent homes while another study found that 63 percent of boys aged 12 to 20 incarcerated for murder had killed their mother's abuser.

"Over the years, I have observed that when children are not able to trust the environment in which they live, especially to trust the adults who are supposed to provide them with safety and protection, it really can be a challenge to them throughout their lives," said Joan Louden-Black, Southeast Regional Director for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

If a child doesn't feel safe, his or her view of the world can be skewed.

"To feel physically safe is to be able to concentrate, to eat, to sleep, to develop relationships," Mr. Ryan said.

If the people closest to them usually express their feelings through yelling or insults, and seldom express affection or approval, children don't easily develop a sense that they deserve to be treated well.

Guilt is one side-effect.

"Some kids say, 'I must have deserved it,' " Dartmouth Town Youth Advocate Kevin Lee said. "Even if it's their parents doing the hitting. That comes from hearing, 'And that's because you're a pain."

Younger children growing up with violence usually don't dare express their fear and anger at home.

Some take out their aggressions on the playground or even the classroom, doing what professionals call, "acting out," behavior that ranges from abusive language to fights.

Other kids escape into what Mr. Lee called "a fog bank."

"They're miles away. And when they're home, the TV, the Walkman are never too far away," Mr. Lee said.

Although some counselors try to help the children, some of the victims deny there is a problem at home.

"They think this happens so often, so they don't connect with other kids," Mr. Ryan said. "By the time they're a little older, though, they might start talking to other kids and the light goes on: 'You mean your dad doesn't put your mom up against the wall when he gets mad?' "

Other children refuse to discuss the problem, convinced either no one will believe them or nothing will be done to help.

"Let's say you've got a kid coming to school where the cops have been to the house already that morning," Mr. Ryan said. "The kids are under the bed and Dad's tearing up the house. But the kid still gets on the bus, and nobody knows what he's been through."

But sometimes there are clear signs that there is trouble. Experts said generally boys who witness domestic violence tend to act aggressively while girls often turn tensions inward.

"Kids punch walls, get into fights," Mr. Ryan said. "They're angry. But they project it all onto another kid, like it's his fault. And those are mostly boys, from what I've seen."

The reaction of the child often depends on the situation.

"The more severe the trauma the worse the reaction," said Eileen Dunleavy, a Fall River social worker with the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

Mr. Lee added while "girls who grow up in abusive homes often slide into passivity," both boys and girls who are more sensitive usually don't take out their feelings on others.

While some act out, others try to be perfect.

"You see the little nail-biters," Mr. Lee said. "Sometimes they perform poorly in school. But sometimes the threat of physical violence is what keeps them pulling in A's and B's. One C and it's a bloody nose."

Ms. Robertson said some of those children are too good.

"There are the ones getting straight A's -- you can't believe it's a real child. That one is Mom's protector, rushing home after school to make sure Mom's OK, and when Dad's home, he's making sure he doesn't do anything to set Dad off," Ms. Robertson said.

And anything can set the abusive parent off.

"It's as simple as, Johnny used too much ketchup on his French fries, and that made Dad angry, so he won't use ketchup anymore. So it's, 'If I get all A's, if I clean my room, if I never make any noise, Dad won't get mad.' That's not a normal childhood," Ms. Robertson said..

Ms. Rezendes of the Fall River Family Services Association said some children are potential life-savers to parents too paralyzed by fear to escape a dangerous situation. "One 10-year old walked to the police station and said, 'My dad beats up my mom and I'm sick of it.' "

The boy, Ms. Rezendes said, had never been hit at home. "He was an angel. But it was affecting his life, and he was starting to get in the middle. One time he tried to stop his mother from getting beaten, and he got pushed away.

"The reason he went to the police was because he was home alone a lot, watching TV late at night. He saw a public service announcement on violence and said, 'That's it. I'm telling somebody.' "

The boy's mother initially was embarrassed and yelled at her son, Ms. Rezendes said. "It turned out OK. But he was 10 years old. I don't think I could do that at 10."

Mr. Lee calls these children "the rescuers."

"Mom often takes them into her confidence. They don't want all this information, this responsibility, but sometimes it's the only relationship they've got, so they take it," he said.

While it may appear these type of children are more mature, Mr. Lee said he worries about their future.

"It sets them up with handicaps. It represses their childhood and gives them a lop-sided view of what healthy relationships are."

Counselors said it isn't a matter of whether to save these kids: the question is, how and when.

Taking children from a violent home -- with no help for the parents -- is not advocated by many counselors.

Valerie Legezowski, a clinical therapist with New Bedford Child and Family Services, said a temporary separation might work. "There is time for each person to heal. Kids have things to deal with. Peaceful living helps, but you have to work on the issues."

Ms. Legezowski said the parents must also learn that violence is not the answer. "I've seen cases where they have absolutely no understanding that what they're doing is wrong. They might say, 'This is what my father did to me and I turned out OK.' It has to really be pointed out to them that they're here for a reason -- that they didn't exactly turn out OK.

"And then," Ms. Legezowski added, "I have parents that come in and tell me they're hitting their children, and ask for help. There are some success stories. That's what keeps me a therapist."

The sooner children and their families get help, the better."The older you are when this has been going on, the worse it gets," Ms. Robertson said.
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AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Hey clueless one's, here is the help that you need. It tells a lot as to how you are treating innocent people and why. Since you abuse each other, this article tells what innocent children are going through because of the abuse that you are doing to each other and other people. Your postings are very infantile and it depicts what the mental state you are in. More than likely, this has happened to you all and now you are lashing out at others who stand up to bullies like you. No one in their right mind would hire you as a PI because your mental capabilities are nil. It it really sad that you won't get the help you really need. The turmoil within this business/family must be tremendous and it must seem to you there is no way out. Children within an abusive relationship deserve better then what is given them. GET THE HELP NOW before it is too late!

The pain of watching abuse can linger for years and years
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May 28, 1995 6:00 AM
Sometimes the wounds are invisible, hidden scars in a tiny psyche, torn apart as a loved one is beaten. Watching, in the words of one social worker, "Mommy and daddy self-destructing before their eyes."

For the children who witness domestic violence, the pain from those invisible wounds can linger years after the blows stop -- sometimes masked by drugs or alcohol, sometimes hidden as they lash out at the world.

But experts say none of the children escape.

"They're all trauma victims," Dartmouth High School social worker James Ryan said. "It's like war. You don't walk out of the situation unscathed. Every clinician in every school deals with this."

What the professionals say they're dealing with, are traumatized youth deprived of a basic ingredient in development: a feeling of security.

"As a child, you're getting impressions of the world around you," said Maggie Rezendes, a social worker at the Family Service Association of Fall River. "The major thing that goes through these kids' heads is, 'If I'm not safe at home, am I going to be safe at school, in the world?' "

But that is just one of the effects that are clear to anyone who cares enough to look, several experts said.

"They all feel, I'm worthless, I'm a nobody, I can't do anything," said Jennifer Robertson, director of the Advocates for Women and Kids in Emergencies program at Boston Children's Hospital. "There are so many ramifications."

Some of those ramifications are far reaching. According to one study, children from abusive homes are six or seven times more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol as those who don't come from those types of homes. Seventy percent of the children who grow up in abusive homes are likely to become abusive in their own relationships. An Oregon study found that 68 percent of juvenile offenders come from violent homes while another study found that 63 percent of boys aged 12 to 20 incarcerated for murder had killed their mother's abuser.

"Over the years, I have observed that when children are not able to trust the environment in which they live, especially to trust the adults who are supposed to provide them with safety and protection, it really can be a challenge to them throughout their lives," said Joan Louden-Black, Southeast Regional Director for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

If a child doesn't feel safe, his or her view of the world can be skewed.

"To feel physically safe is to be able to concentrate, to eat, to sleep, to develop relationships," Mr. Ryan said.

If the people closest to them usually express their feelings through yelling or insults, and seldom express affection or approval, children don't easily develop a sense that they deserve to be treated well.

Guilt is one side-effect.

"Some kids say, 'I must have deserved it,' " Dartmouth Town Youth Advocate Kevin Lee said. "Even if it's their parents doing the hitting. That comes from hearing, 'And that's because you're a pain."

Younger children growing up with violence usually don't dare express their fear and anger at home.

Some take out their aggressions on the playground or even the classroom, doing what professionals call, "acting out," behavior that ranges from abusive language to fights.

Other kids escape into what Mr. Lee called "a fog bank."

"They're miles away. And when they're home, the TV, the Walkman are never too far away," Mr. Lee said.

Although some counselors try to help the children, some of the victims deny there is a problem at home.

"They think this happens so often, so they don't connect with other kids," Mr. Ryan said. "By the time they're a little older, though, they might start talking to other kids and the light goes on: 'You mean your dad doesn't put your mom up against the wall when he gets mad?' "

Other children refuse to discuss the problem, convinced either no one will believe them or nothing will be done to help.

"Let's say you've got a kid coming to school where the cops have been to the house already that morning," Mr. Ryan said. "The kids are under the bed and Dad's tearing up the house. But the kid still gets on the bus, and nobody knows what he's been through."

But sometimes there are clear signs that there is trouble. Experts said generally boys who witness domestic violence tend to act aggressively while girls often turn tensions inward.

"Kids punch walls, get into fights," Mr. Ryan said. "They're angry. But they project it all onto another kid, like it's his fault. And those are mostly boys, from what I've seen."

The reaction of the child often depends on the situation.

"The more severe the trauma the worse the reaction," said Eileen Dunleavy, a Fall River social worker with the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

Mr. Lee added while "girls who grow up in abusive homes often slide into passivity," both boys and girls who are more sensitive usually don't take out their feelings on others.

While some act out, others try to be perfect.

"You see the little nail-biters," Mr. Lee said. "Sometimes they perform poorly in school. But sometimes the threat of physical violence is what keeps them pulling in A's and B's. One C and it's a bloody nose."

Ms. Robertson said some of those children are too good.

"There are the ones getting straight A's -- you can't believe it's a real child. That one is Mom's protector, rushing home after school to make sure Mom's OK, and when Dad's home, he's making sure he doesn't do anything to set Dad off," Ms. Robertson said.

And anything can set the abusive parent off.

"It's as simple as, Johnny used too much ketchup on his French fries, and that made Dad angry, so he won't use ketchup anymore. So it's, 'If I get all A's, if I clean my room, if I never make any noise, Dad won't get mad.' That's not a normal childhood," Ms. Robertson said..

Ms. Rezendes of the Fall River Family Services Association said some children are potential life-savers to parents too paralyzed by fear to escape a dangerous situation. "One 10-year old walked to the police station and said, 'My dad beats up my mom and I'm sick of it.' "

The boy, Ms. Rezendes said, had never been hit at home. "He was an angel. But it was affecting his life, and he was starting to get in the middle. One time he tried to stop his mother from getting beaten, and he got pushed away.

"The reason he went to the police was because he was home alone a lot, watching TV late at night. He saw a public service announcement on violence and said, 'That's it. I'm telling somebody.' "

The boy's mother initially was embarrassed and yelled at her son, Ms. Rezendes said. "It turned out OK. But he was 10 years old. I don't think I could do that at 10."

Mr. Lee calls these children "the rescuers."

"Mom often takes them into her confidence. They don't want all this information, this responsibility, but sometimes it's the only relationship they've got, so they take it," he said.

While it may appear these type of children are more mature, Mr. Lee said he worries about their future.

"It sets them up with handicaps. It represses their childhood and gives them a lop-sided view of what healthy relationships are."

Counselors said it isn't a matter of whether to save these kids: the question is, how and when.

Taking children from a violent home -- with no help for the parents -- is not advocated by many counselors.

Valerie Legezowski, a clinical therapist with New Bedford Child and Family Services, said a temporary separation might work. "There is time for each person to heal. Kids have things to deal with. Peaceful living helps, but you have to work on the issues."

Ms. Legezowski said the parents must also learn that violence is not the answer. "I've seen cases where they have absolutely no understanding that what they're doing is wrong. They might say, 'This is what my father did to me and I turned out OK.' It has to really be pointed out to them that they're here for a reason -- that they didn't exactly turn out OK.

"And then," Ms. Legezowski added, "I have parents that come in and tell me they're hitting their children, and ask for help. There are some success stories. That's what keeps me a therapist."

The sooner children and their families get help, the better."The older you are when this has been going on, the worse it gets," Ms. Robertson said.
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AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Hey clueless one's, here is the help that you need. It tells a lot as to how you are treating innocent people and why. Since you abuse each other, this article tells what innocent children are going through because of the abuse that you are doing to each other and other people. Your postings are very infantile and it depicts what the mental state you are in. More than likely, this has happened to you all and now you are lashing out at others who stand up to bullies like you. No one in their right mind would hire you as a PI because your mental capabilities are nil. It it really sad that you won't get the help you really need. The turmoil within this business/family must be tremendous and it must seem to you there is no way out. Children within an abusive relationship deserve better then what is given them. GET THE HELP NOW before it is too late!

The pain of watching abuse can linger for years and years
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Print this Article Email this Article Share By Rachel G. Thomas
May 28, 1995 6:00 AM
Sometimes the wounds are invisible, hidden scars in a tiny psyche, torn apart as a loved one is beaten. Watching, in the words of one social worker, "Mommy and daddy self-destructing before their eyes."

For the children who witness domestic violence, the pain from those invisible wounds can linger years after the blows stop -- sometimes masked by drugs or alcohol, sometimes hidden as they lash out at the world.

But experts say none of the children escape.

"They're all trauma victims," Dartmouth High School social worker James Ryan said. "It's like war. You don't walk out of the situation unscathed. Every clinician in every school deals with this."

What the professionals say they're dealing with, are traumatized youth deprived of a basic ingredient in development: a feeling of security.

"As a child, you're getting impressions of the world around you," said Maggie Rezendes, a social worker at the Family Service Association of Fall River. "The major thing that goes through these kids' heads is, 'If I'm not safe at home, am I going to be safe at school, in the world?' "

But that is just one of the effects that are clear to anyone who cares enough to look, several experts said.

"They all feel, I'm worthless, I'm a nobody, I can't do anything," said Jennifer Robertson, director of the Advocates for Women and Kids in Emergencies program at Boston Children's Hospital. "There are so many ramifications."

Some of those ramifications are far reaching. According to one study, children from abusive homes are six or seven times more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol as those who don't come from those types of homes. Seventy percent of the children who grow up in abusive homes are likely to become abusive in their own relationships. An Oregon study found that 68 percent of juvenile offenders come from violent homes while another study found that 63 percent of boys aged 12 to 20 incarcerated for murder had killed their mother's abuser.

"Over the years, I have observed that when children are not able to trust the environment in which they live, especially to trust the adults who are supposed to provide them with safety and protection, it really can be a challenge to them throughout their lives," said Joan Louden-Black, Southeast Regional Director for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

If a child doesn't feel safe, his or her view of the world can be skewed.

"To feel physically safe is to be able to concentrate, to eat, to sleep, to develop relationships," Mr. Ryan said.

If the people closest to them usually express their feelings through yelling or insults, and seldom express affection or approval, children don't easily develop a sense that they deserve to be treated well.

Guilt is one side-effect.

"Some kids say, 'I must have deserved it,' " Dartmouth Town Youth Advocate Kevin Lee said. "Even if it's their parents doing the hitting. That comes from hearing, 'And that's because you're a pain."

Younger children growing up with violence usually don't dare express their fear and anger at home.

Some take out their aggressions on the playground or even the classroom, doing what professionals call, "acting out," behavior that ranges from abusive language to fights.

Other kids escape into what Mr. Lee called "a fog bank."

"They're miles away. And when they're home, the TV, the Walkman are never too far away," Mr. Lee said.

Although some counselors try to help the children, some of the victims deny there is a problem at home.

"They think this happens so often, so they don't connect with other kids," Mr. Ryan said. "By the time they're a little older, though, they might start talking to other kids and the light goes on: 'You mean your dad doesn't put your mom up against the wall when he gets mad?' "

Other children refuse to discuss the problem, convinced either no one will believe them or nothing will be done to help.

"Let's say you've got a kid coming to school where the cops have been to the house already that morning," Mr. Ryan said. "The kids are under the bed and Dad's tearing up the house. But the kid still gets on the bus, and nobody knows what he's been through."

But sometimes there are clear signs that there is trouble. Experts said generally boys who witness domestic violence tend to act aggressively while girls often turn tensions inward.

"Kids punch walls, get into fights," Mr. Ryan said. "They're angry. But they project it all onto another kid, like it's his fault. And those are mostly boys, from what I've seen."

The reaction of the child often depends on the situation.

"The more severe the trauma the worse the reaction," said Eileen Dunleavy, a Fall River social worker with the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

Mr. Lee added while "girls who grow up in abusive homes often slide into passivity," both boys and girls who are more sensitive usually don't take out their feelings on others.

While some act out, others try to be perfect.

"You see the little nail-biters," Mr. Lee said. "Sometimes they perform poorly in school. But sometimes the threat of physical violence is what keeps them pulling in A's and B's. One C and it's a bloody nose."

Ms. Robertson said some of those children are too good.

"There are the ones getting straight A's -- you can't believe it's a real child. That one is Mom's protector, rushing home after school to make sure Mom's OK, and when Dad's home, he's making sure he doesn't do anything to set Dad off," Ms. Robertson said.

And anything can set the abusive parent off.

"It's as simple as, Johnny used too much ketchup on his French fries, and that made Dad angry, so he won't use ketchup anymore. So it's, 'If I get all A's, if I clean my room, if I never make any noise, Dad won't get mad.' That's not a normal childhood," Ms. Robertson said..

Ms. Rezendes of the Fall River Family Services Association said some children are potential life-savers to parents too paralyzed by fear to escape a dangerous situation. "One 10-year old walked to the police station and said, 'My dad beats up my mom and I'm sick of it.' "

The boy, Ms. Rezendes said, had never been hit at home. "He was an angel. But it was affecting his life, and he was starting to get in the middle. One time he tried to stop his mother from getting beaten, and he got pushed away.

"The reason he went to the police was because he was home alone a lot, watching TV late at night. He saw a public service announcement on violence and said, 'That's it. I'm telling somebody.' "

The boy's mother initially was embarrassed and yelled at her son, Ms. Rezendes said. "It turned out OK. But he was 10 years old. I don't think I could do that at 10."

Mr. Lee calls these children "the rescuers."

"Mom often takes them into her confidence. They don't want all this information, this responsibility, but sometimes it's the only relationship they've got, so they take it," he said.

While it may appear these type of children are more mature, Mr. Lee said he worries about their future.

"It sets them up with handicaps. It represses their childhood and gives them a lop-sided view of what healthy relationships are."

Counselors said it isn't a matter of whether to save these kids: the question is, how and when.

Taking children from a violent home -- with no help for the parents -- is not advocated by many counselors.

Valerie Legezowski, a clinical therapist with New Bedford Child and Family Services, said a temporary separation might work. "There is time for each person to heal. Kids have things to deal with. Peaceful living helps, but you have to work on the issues."

Ms. Legezowski said the parents must also learn that violence is not the answer. "I've seen cases where they have absolutely no understanding that what they're doing is wrong. They might say, 'This is what my father did to me and I turned out OK.' It has to really be pointed out to them that they're here for a reason -- that they didn't exactly turn out OK.

"And then," Ms. Legezowski added, "I have parents that come in and tell me they're hitting their children, and ask for help. There are some success stories. That's what keeps me a therapist."

The sooner children and their families get help, the better."The older you are when this has been going on, the worse it gets," Ms. Robertson said.
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Help is on the way Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team -- Sandy Chrisman, et al

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Hey clueless one's, here is the help that you need. It tells a lot as to how you are treating innocent people and why. Since you abuse each other, this article tells what innocent children are going through because of the abuse that you are doing to each other and other people. Your postings are very infantile and it depicts what the mental state you are in. More than likely, this has happened to you all and now you are lashing out at others who stand up to bullies like you. No one in their right mind would hire you as a PI because your mental capabilities are nil. It it really sad that you won't get the help you really need. The turmoil within this business/family must be tremendous and it must seem to you there is no way out. Children within an abusive relationship deserve better then what is given them. GET THE HELP NOW before it is too late!

The pain of watching abuse can linger for years and years
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May 28, 1995 6:00 AM
Sometimes the wounds are invisible, hidden scars in a tiny psyche, torn apart as a loved one is beaten. Watching, in the words of one social worker, "Mommy and daddy self-destructing before their eyes."

For the children who witness domestic violence, the pain from those invisible wounds can linger years after the blows stop -- sometimes masked by drugs or alcohol, sometimes hidden as they lash out at the world.

But experts say none of the children escape.

"They're all trauma victims," Dartmouth High School social worker James Ryan said. "It's like war. You don't walk out of the situation unscathed. Every clinician in every school deals with this."

What the professionals say they're dealing with, are traumatized youth deprived of a basic ingredient in development: a feeling of security.

"As a child, you're getting impressions of the world around you," said Maggie Rezendes, a social worker at the Family Service Association of Fall River. "The major thing that goes through these kids' heads is, 'If I'm not safe at home, am I going to be safe at school, in the world?' "

But that is just one of the effects that are clear to anyone who cares enough to look, several experts said.

"They all feel, I'm worthless, I'm a nobody, I can't do anything," said Jennifer Robertson, director of the Advocates for Women and Kids in Emergencies program at Boston Children's Hospital. "There are so many ramifications."

Some of those ramifications are far reaching. According to one study, children from abusive homes are six or seven times more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol as those who don't come from those types of homes. Seventy percent of the children who grow up in abusive homes are likely to become abusive in their own relationships. An Oregon study found that 68 percent of juvenile offenders come from violent homes while another study found that 63 percent of boys aged 12 to 20 incarcerated for murder had killed their mother's abuser.

"Over the years, I have observed that when children are not able to trust the environment in which they live, especially to trust the adults who are supposed to provide them with safety and protection, it really can be a challenge to them throughout their lives," said Joan Louden-Black, Southeast Regional Director for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

If a child doesn't feel safe, his or her view of the world can be skewed.

"To feel physically safe is to be able to concentrate, to eat, to sleep, to develop relationships," Mr. Ryan said.

If the people closest to them usually express their feelings through yelling or insults, and seldom express affection or approval, children don't easily develop a sense that they deserve to be treated well.

Guilt is one side-effect.

"Some kids say, 'I must have deserved it,' " Dartmouth Town Youth Advocate Kevin Lee said. "Even if it's their parents doing the hitting. That comes from hearing, 'And that's because you're a pain."

Younger children growing up with violence usually don't dare express their fear and anger at home.

Some take out their aggressions on the playground or even the classroom, doing what professionals call, "acting out," behavior that ranges from abusive language to fights.

Other kids escape into what Mr. Lee called "a fog bank."

"They're miles away. And when they're home, the TV, the Walkman are never too far away," Mr. Lee said.

Although some counselors try to help the children, some of the victims deny there is a problem at home.

"They think this happens so often, so they don't connect with other kids," Mr. Ryan said. "By the time they're a little older, though, they might start talking to other kids and the light goes on: 'You mean your dad doesn't put your mom up against the wall when he gets mad?' "

Other children refuse to discuss the problem, convinced either no one will believe them or nothing will be done to help.

"Let's say you've got a kid coming to school where the cops have been to the house already that morning," Mr. Ryan said. "The kids are under the bed and Dad's tearing up the house. But the kid still gets on the bus, and nobody knows what he's been through."

But sometimes there are clear signs that there is trouble. Experts said generally boys who witness domestic violence tend to act aggressively while girls often turn tensions inward.

"Kids punch walls, get into fights," Mr. Ryan said. "They're angry. But they project it all onto another kid, like it's his fault. And those are mostly boys, from what I've seen."

The reaction of the child often depends on the situation.

"The more severe the trauma the worse the reaction," said Eileen Dunleavy, a Fall River social worker with the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

Mr. Lee added while "girls who grow up in abusive homes often slide into passivity," both boys and girls who are more sensitive usually don't take out their feelings on others.

While some act out, others try to be perfect.

"You see the little nail-biters," Mr. Lee said. "Sometimes they perform poorly in school. But sometimes the threat of physical violence is what keeps them pulling in A's and B's. One C and it's a bloody nose."

Ms. Robertson said some of those children are too good.

"There are the ones getting straight A's -- you can't believe it's a real child. That one is Mom's protector, rushing home after school to make sure Mom's OK, and when Dad's home, he's making sure he doesn't do anything to set Dad off," Ms. Robertson said.

And anything can set the abusive parent off.

"It's as simple as, Johnny used too much ketchup on his French fries, and that made Dad angry, so he won't use ketchup anymore. So it's, 'If I get all A's, if I clean my room, if I never make any noise, Dad won't get mad.' That's not a normal childhood," Ms. Robertson said..

Ms. Rezendes of the Fall River Family Services Association said some children are potential life-savers to parents too paralyzed by fear to escape a dangerous situation. "One 10-year old walked to the police station and said, 'My dad beats up my mom and I'm sick of it.' "

The boy, Ms. Rezendes said, had never been hit at home. "He was an angel. But it was affecting his life, and he was starting to get in the middle. One time he tried to stop his mother from getting beaten, and he got pushed away.

"The reason he went to the police was because he was home alone a lot, watching TV late at night. He saw a public service announcement on violence and said, 'That's it. I'm telling somebody.' "

The boy's mother initially was embarrassed and yelled at her son, Ms. Rezendes said. "It turned out OK. But he was 10 years old. I don't think I could do that at 10."

Mr. Lee calls these children "the rescuers."

"Mom often takes them into her confidence. They don't want all this information, this responsibility, but sometimes it's the only relationship they've got, so they take it," he said.

While it may appear these type of children are more mature, Mr. Lee said he worries about their future.

"It sets them up with handicaps. It represses their childhood and gives them a lop-sided view of what healthy relationships are."

Counselors said it isn't a matter of whether to save these kids: the question is, how and when.

Taking children from a violent home -- with no help for the parents -- is not advocated by many counselors.

Valerie Legezowski, a clinical therapist with New Bedford Child and Family Services, said a temporary separation might work. "There is time for each person to heal. Kids have things to deal with. Peaceful living helps, but you have to work on the issues."

Ms. Legezowski said the parents must also learn that violence is not the answer. "I've seen cases where they have absolutely no understanding that what they're doing is wrong. They might say, 'This is what my father did to me and I turned out OK.' It has to really be pointed out to them that they're here for a reason -- that they didn't exactly turn out OK.

"And then," Ms. Legezowski added, "I have parents that come in and tell me they're hitting their children, and ask for help. There are some success stories. That's what keeps me a therapist."

The sooner children and their families get help, the better."The older you are when this has been going on, the worse it gets," Ms. Robertson said.
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VIOLENCE IN THE CHRISMAN CLAN -- THE SCAM TEAM LOSES AGAIN!

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

The clueless Chrisman/Stickel/Brown clan of this con business -- Faithfinders, Inc -- The Scam Team is so violent that they like to threaten women because Jeff Chrisman is a spousal abuser who also was convicted of identity theft. Debra Brown (Sandy Chrisman's sister) works in the health care field and abuses people by claiming false stories about them. Here is a post of her ex-con husband who was into drugs, etc. Is this like a family that one wants to do business with or is bona fide to do business at all. It was strongly suggested that they take a lie detector test, but as you can see none of them can pass it.

All newspapers and tv media now know their background and can make a judgment call as to their credibility. Get it, Chrisman's Judgment call. Sticks and stones...... The proof is in the courts and will definitely be heard. That is what you are all afraid of that it will come out in YOUR dirty wash. Don't foget, the Chambers will hear it all and are now laughing at you! You ruined it for yourselves and now the Chambers have an advantage on you. It looks like FARMING runs in the family. Get a real job and slop the hogs. Pigs.

Case Type Criminal Location Southeast
Party Information
Party Name - Number Rel Sex Attorney Judge Case #
State Of Arizona - (1) Plaintiff
William Luther Potter - (2) Defendant Male Pro Per Gaylord CR1999-090819-A
Clerk Of The Court - (3) In The Matter Of (IMO) Determined To Be
Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
1/27/2000 022 - ME: Order Signed - Party () 1/27/2000
1/25/2000 11:41:00 AM CRR - Criminal Restitution Order - Party (A) 1/25/2000 11:41:00 AM
NOTE: This docket was added by the conversion for a judgment
1/21/2000 116 - ME: Dispo-Revoke/Terminate - Party () 1/21/2000
1/4/2000 NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party () 1/13/2000
NOTE: POST CONVICTION RELIEF
12/29/1999 112 - ME: Revocation Arraignment - Party () 12/30/1999
12/21/1999 BWA - Bench Warrant - Party () 12/28/1999
NOTE: 12-10-99
6/28/1999 PVW - Probation Violation Warrant - Party () 6/29/1999
4/1/1999 109 - ME: Sentence - Probation - Party () 4/8/1999
3/26/1999 11:04:00 AM TCP - Terms & Conditions Of Probation/Money Ordered - Party (A) 3/26/1999 11:04:00 AM
NOTE: This docket was added by the conversion for a judgment
3/26/1999 NRR - Notice Of Rights Of Review - Party () 4/6/1999
NOTE: TO POST CONVICTION RELIEF
3/26/1999 PSR - Presentence Report - Party () 3/30/1999
3/26/1999 LET - Letter - Party () 4/6/1999
3/9/1999 102 - ME: Waiver Prelim Hrg/Plea - Party () 3/16/1999
2/25/1999 INF - Information - Party () 3/3/1999 Plaintiff(1)
NOTE: CNT I POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA CNT II POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2/19/1999 COM - Complaint - Party () 2/23/1999
NOTE: CT 1: MARIJUANA - POSSESS,GROW,PROCESS CL 6 FEL; CT 2: POSSESSING DRUG PARAPHERNALIA CL 6 FEL; DOC: ON 02/07/1999 CR9900201FE
2/19/1999 BIN - Bindover - Party () 2/23/1999
NOTE: RELEASE ORD: BOND $1,200 WPH/ARR: 02-17-1999/03-01-1999-PIA: 02-07-1999 DEF ATTY: CLIFFORD I LEVENSON PD!; TRANSMITTAL CERTIFICATIO---BEGIN SUPERIOR COURT PLEADINGS
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#22 Consumer Comment

You stupid are clueless

AUTHOR: Specialfriend - (U.S.A.)

You're the bullies Bob, or Christine, or Kathleen, or Natalie, or Tatjana, yes, Tatjana I didn't forget you.

It's very easy to lie on this board as it is the others as is wittnessed in all your rantings.

Sandy and Jeff are great people with a great immediate family. No one else is on their payroll in the family on the Stickel side of the family, and most of them don't know you even exist, stupid little dorks.

You're so stupid, and idiotic to think there is a family of PI's. And just because somebody married into a family then they are those people. You're again, so stupid.

And you didn't pay for any of their services nor did anybody you know. You're trying to discredit people and their lives because you're so stupid and vengeful because some old lady that likes to scam men got busted and so did her the ring of thieves she associated with, and you can't help her. Oh, your stupid way is to write on here everyday to try to discredit them.

There's no legal action being taken anywhere in this country, against any of Bob Stickel's 3 adult, hard working, children. All your legal threats are as funny as you look, it's all stupid, stupid stuff and you won't post any evidence cause you can't cause you're a couple of old maids that like to stir up shit anywhere you can. You live for that. Maybe you should get a hobby like flower gardening and maybe some of that beauty will rub off on you. Anything would help.
You're so stupid and ugly.

You should have a man's name like Bob, although we all know you're a wanna be old lady, ugly to boot, so masculine you are, hey buddy.

Now go find another poor victim to help, NOT. You are beating dead horse as the saying goes.

Tatjana lost, that's all there is to it.
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baisless false lies read it again here it is

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn Stickel, as personal representative

for the estate of Robert Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

))))))))))))))

No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The

second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however

this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant's request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff

has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following

Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was

personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered

against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther's now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character

Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a

party's legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the

following reasons: (1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been

discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (3) fraud (whether

heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other

misconduct of an adverse party; (4) the judgment is void; (5) the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is

based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that

the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason

justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made

within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one

year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions

on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this

case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be

looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant

to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is

untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant's Motion must be considered under

reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from

the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction

over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.

Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate extraordinary

circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case]. Martella v.


Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must

demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from

proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land


& Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther's primary issue with

the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United

States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes

issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this

case was because she had just moved out of Tulsa, Oklahoma and was going on a

missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . . Def.'s

March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the

Court's judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and

circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this

action. Accordingly, Defendant's Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons,


IT IS ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the

Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to

Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.


DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007 "
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Again read. it is case law. you lost.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007.
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Faithfinders - The Scam Team

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

I have researched the evidence as posted by the courts in Arizona & Oklahoma. It appears that the Chrisman's are in a heap of trouble by posting false accusations and trying to further a judgment that was filed under fraudulent pretenses. There is also evidence posted that suggests that the Chrisman's have set up this scenario just to extort money from innocent and elderly people. There is also strong evidence to suggest that the Chrisman's and certain family members are engaged in criminal activities that could result in them going to jail. These individuals need to take a lie detector test and which they have refused because they know they are guilty. A handwriting expert also needs to assess their false accusations that forgery was done. A forgery conviction was give to one of their family members who served time and more than likely had part in the Chrisman's forgery accusation. This occurred in Arizona and there are documents to prove it. The Chrisman's appetite for money is overshadowed by their criminal and illegal behavior. Greed.
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Faithfinders - The Scam Team

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Identity theft runs in this family since Jeff Chrisman was previously convicted of identity theft. Another family member was also convicted of identity theft and credit card fraud. The Chrisman's are up against their own fraudulent & malicious shortcomings. They just recently added "The Scam Team" in their Secretary of State in Colorado registration. However, as of 7-1-2007 they did not submit their Annual Report.

Sandy Chrisman flunked PI training in Oklahoma and tried to get licenesed in Texas under Pankau Consulting. She could not get licensed in that state and even threatened that company for money ($3,000) for which she boasted she received at the hands of Jeff Chrisman's bullying and intimidation tactics. The Attorney General in that state knows of their illegal activities and a report is on record. The judgment that they filed against an innocent person has not even gone to trial, but the Chrisman's continue to try and stop information that will definitely convict them .

There is a high volume of evidence that they have tried to hide, but just recently it has surfaced. They both are into illegal background searches and evidence has convicted them that they have social security numbers obtained illegally.

THIS IS A FELONY! All police, attorney generals and FTC in four states do have this information on record and if they continue with illegal practices they will suffer the penalty. I was assured that what the Chrisman's have done is now in a clearinghouse database that any lawyer or other legal entities can use and will use to prosecute.
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#27 UPDATE Employee

Look it up in federal court or ask guenther she recieved a copy from the court.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

The lies still continue from the Budas. This case is over. You lost! So did the Chambers, Guenther, Budas.
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#28 Consumer Suggestion

Faithfinders - The Scam Team

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Why doesn't this defunct business post the truth about themselves extorting money; which is a felony and they will be having their own day in court. It looks like the judgment is not lost. It will all lie within the judge and jury who will hear all the other scamming evidence that these individuals are engaged in.

Using the courts to file fraudulent judgments is a felony and carries a penalty for which you will reap the consequences for a long time.

Bullying tactics, intimidation, threats and sending porn emails from the Chrisman's will only dig the hole deeper for them. It is all on paper and has been turned over to the courts. Their posting has been typed by them and it is not a true document. The true documents are in the courts as evidence against them.

The public needs to beware of these two frauds who like to inflate their egos by tornmenting the elderly and innocent people, which shows that they are abusive people who can harm the unsuspecting.

COME CLEAN AND CONFESS WHAT FAITHFINDERS, INC. -- THE SCAM TEAM IS DOING AND ONLY THEN WILL THEIR BE RELIEF. THE TRUTH NEEDS TO COME ABOUT THEM.
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This is a lie they are mad becouse they lost read the ruling.

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

"IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn, as personal representative

for the estate of Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The

second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however

this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant's request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff

has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following

Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was

personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered

against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther's now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character

Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a

party's legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the

following reasons: (1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been

discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (3) fraud (whether

heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other

misconduct of an adverse party; (4) the judgment is void; (5) the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is

based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that

the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason

justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made

within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one

year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions

on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this

case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be

looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant

to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is

untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant's Motion must be considered under

reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from

the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction

over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.

Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate extraordinary

circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case]. Martella v.


Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must

demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from

proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land


& Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther's primary issue with

the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United

States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes

issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this

case was because she had just moved out of Tulsa, Oklahoma and was going on a

missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . . Def.'s

March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the

Court's judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and

circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this

action. Accordingly, Defendant's Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons,


IT IS ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the

Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.


IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's letter construed as a Motion to

Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.


DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

Case 2:99-cv-02189-MHM Document 44 Filed 07/11/2007 "
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Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

The following document is proof that these cons are violent. This incident was not in the line of business. This was one of his rampages called spousal abuse.

Case Number: 00GS259260

CASE INFORMATION
Status:CLOSE Trial Courtroom:
Case Type: Violation Date:07/08/2000
Location:4023 W KENYON AVE
Domestic Violence: Yes Date Filed:

PARTY INFORMATION
Party Type Last Name First Name MI Suffix DOB Party Status
DEFENDANT CHRISMAN JEFFREY M 07/10/1964
Race Hair Weight Height Eyes Eyeglasses
WHITE BLONDE 225 601 GREEN
Attorney Number Attorney Name


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VIOLATION(S)
Violation Description Points Disposition
38-71 DESTRUCTION PRIVATE PROPERTY DISMISSED
38-89 DISTURBING THE PEACE GUILTY
38-93 ASSAULT DISMISSED

BOND INFORMATION

SENTENCE INFORMATION
Date Description Value Units Due Date

COSTS
Description Imposed Suspended CCWP/CTS Paid Due

------------

Total: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

ACTION INFORMATION
Date Crtrm Judicial Officer Action Dispo
05/11/2002 00:00 (CNV) PROBATION CONVERSION
09/15/2000 08:30 117M RETURN ON PSI
09/15/2000 00:00 117M CNV FINAL DISPOSITION
09/15/2000 00:00 117M FINE/COSTS TOTAL
09/15/2000 00:00 DEAD JACKET
08/21/2000 08:00 117M JURY TRIAL
07/28/2000 08:22 PROB PROBATION REFERRAL RECEIVED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M PROTECTION ORDER CANCELED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV GUILTY PLEA
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV CONTINUED
07/09/2000 11:00 12T ARRAIGNMENT
07/09/2000 00:00 12T CNV NOT GUILTY PLEA
07/09/2000 00:00 117M CNV COURTRM REASSIGNED
07/08/2000 00:00 DEFENDANT JAILED
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP

Action Minutes
09-15-00.BOND RELEASED COURTRM/117M.

07-09-00.BOND SET AT $ 750.00 COURTRM/12T.

09-15-00.COURT COSTS IMPOSED $ 18.00

09-15-00.COURT COSTS PAID $ 18.00

09-15-00.DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM ORDERED COURTRM/117M.

07-10-00.JURY FEE PAID $ 25.00

09-15-00.JURY FEE REFUNDED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL IMPOSED 365 DAY(S). COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL SUSPENDED 365 DAY(S).

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE $ 11.00

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE PAID $ 11.00

09-15-00.PROBATION GRANTED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.SPECIAL CONDITIONS COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS IMPOSED $ 100.00 COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS PAID $ 100.00
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Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

The following document is proof that these cons are violent. This incident was not in the line of business. This was one of his rampages called spousal abuse.

Case Number: 00GS259260

CASE INFORMATION
Status:CLOSE Trial Courtroom:
Case Type: Violation Date:07/08/2000
Location:4023 W KENYON AVE
Domestic Violence: Yes Date Filed:

PARTY INFORMATION
Party Type Last Name First Name MI Suffix DOB Party Status
DEFENDANT CHRISMAN JEFFREY M 07/10/1964
Race Hair Weight Height Eyes Eyeglasses
WHITE BLONDE 225 601 GREEN
Attorney Number Attorney Name


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VIOLATION(S)
Violation Description Points Disposition
38-71 DESTRUCTION PRIVATE PROPERTY DISMISSED
38-89 DISTURBING THE PEACE GUILTY
38-93 ASSAULT DISMISSED

BOND INFORMATION

SENTENCE INFORMATION
Date Description Value Units Due Date

COSTS
Description Imposed Suspended CCWP/CTS Paid Due

------------

Total: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

ACTION INFORMATION
Date Crtrm Judicial Officer Action Dispo
05/11/2002 00:00 (CNV) PROBATION CONVERSION
09/15/2000 08:30 117M RETURN ON PSI
09/15/2000 00:00 117M CNV FINAL DISPOSITION
09/15/2000 00:00 117M FINE/COSTS TOTAL
09/15/2000 00:00 DEAD JACKET
08/21/2000 08:00 117M JURY TRIAL
07/28/2000 08:22 PROB PROBATION REFERRAL RECEIVED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M PROTECTION ORDER CANCELED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV GUILTY PLEA
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV CONTINUED
07/09/2000 11:00 12T ARRAIGNMENT
07/09/2000 00:00 12T CNV NOT GUILTY PLEA
07/09/2000 00:00 117M CNV COURTRM REASSIGNED
07/08/2000 00:00 DEFENDANT JAILED
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP

Action Minutes
09-15-00.BOND RELEASED COURTRM/117M.

07-09-00.BOND SET AT $ 750.00 COURTRM/12T.

09-15-00.COURT COSTS IMPOSED $ 18.00

09-15-00.COURT COSTS PAID $ 18.00

09-15-00.DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM ORDERED COURTRM/117M.

07-10-00.JURY FEE PAID $ 25.00

09-15-00.JURY FEE REFUNDED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL IMPOSED 365 DAY(S). COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL SUSPENDED 365 DAY(S).

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE $ 11.00

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE PAID $ 11.00

09-15-00.PROBATION GRANTED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.SPECIAL CONDITIONS COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS IMPOSED $ 100.00 COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS PAID $ 100.00
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#32 Author of original report

Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

The following document is proof that these cons are violent. This incident was not in the line of business. This was one of his rampages called spousal abuse.

Case Number: 00GS259260

CASE INFORMATION
Status:CLOSE Trial Courtroom:
Case Type: Violation Date:07/08/2000
Location:4023 W KENYON AVE
Domestic Violence: Yes Date Filed:

PARTY INFORMATION
Party Type Last Name First Name MI Suffix DOB Party Status
DEFENDANT CHRISMAN JEFFREY M 07/10/1964
Race Hair Weight Height Eyes Eyeglasses
WHITE BLONDE 225 601 GREEN
Attorney Number Attorney Name


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VIOLATION(S)
Violation Description Points Disposition
38-71 DESTRUCTION PRIVATE PROPERTY DISMISSED
38-89 DISTURBING THE PEACE GUILTY
38-93 ASSAULT DISMISSED

BOND INFORMATION

SENTENCE INFORMATION
Date Description Value Units Due Date

COSTS
Description Imposed Suspended CCWP/CTS Paid Due

------------

Total: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

ACTION INFORMATION
Date Crtrm Judicial Officer Action Dispo
05/11/2002 00:00 (CNV) PROBATION CONVERSION
09/15/2000 08:30 117M RETURN ON PSI
09/15/2000 00:00 117M CNV FINAL DISPOSITION
09/15/2000 00:00 117M FINE/COSTS TOTAL
09/15/2000 00:00 DEAD JACKET
08/21/2000 08:00 117M JURY TRIAL
07/28/2000 08:22 PROB PROBATION REFERRAL RECEIVED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M PROTECTION ORDER CANCELED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV GUILTY PLEA
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV CONTINUED
07/09/2000 11:00 12T ARRAIGNMENT
07/09/2000 00:00 12T CNV NOT GUILTY PLEA
07/09/2000 00:00 117M CNV COURTRM REASSIGNED
07/08/2000 00:00 DEFENDANT JAILED
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP

Action Minutes
09-15-00.BOND RELEASED COURTRM/117M.

07-09-00.BOND SET AT $ 750.00 COURTRM/12T.

09-15-00.COURT COSTS IMPOSED $ 18.00

09-15-00.COURT COSTS PAID $ 18.00

09-15-00.DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM ORDERED COURTRM/117M.

07-10-00.JURY FEE PAID $ 25.00

09-15-00.JURY FEE REFUNDED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL IMPOSED 365 DAY(S). COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL SUSPENDED 365 DAY(S).

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE $ 11.00

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE PAID $ 11.00

09-15-00.PROBATION GRANTED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.SPECIAL CONDITIONS COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS IMPOSED $ 100.00 COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS PAID $ 100.00
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#33 Author of original report

Violent Unlicensed PIs from Littleton Colorado -- The Scam Team d/b/a Faithfinders, Inc.

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

The following document is proof that these cons are violent. This incident was not in the line of business. This was one of his rampages called spousal abuse.

Case Number: 00GS259260

CASE INFORMATION
Status:CLOSE Trial Courtroom:
Case Type: Violation Date:07/08/2000
Location:4023 W KENYON AVE
Domestic Violence: Yes Date Filed:

PARTY INFORMATION
Party Type Last Name First Name MI Suffix DOB Party Status
DEFENDANT CHRISMAN JEFFREY M 07/10/1964
Race Hair Weight Height Eyes Eyeglasses
WHITE BLONDE 225 601 GREEN
Attorney Number Attorney Name


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VIOLATION(S)
Violation Description Points Disposition
38-71 DESTRUCTION PRIVATE PROPERTY DISMISSED
38-89 DISTURBING THE PEACE GUILTY
38-93 ASSAULT DISMISSED

BOND INFORMATION

SENTENCE INFORMATION
Date Description Value Units Due Date

COSTS
Description Imposed Suspended CCWP/CTS Paid Due

------------

Total: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00

ACTION INFORMATION
Date Crtrm Judicial Officer Action Dispo
05/11/2002 00:00 (CNV) PROBATION CONVERSION
09/15/2000 08:30 117M RETURN ON PSI
09/15/2000 00:00 117M CNV FINAL DISPOSITION
09/15/2000 00:00 117M FINE/COSTS TOTAL
09/15/2000 00:00 DEAD JACKET
08/21/2000 08:00 117M JURY TRIAL
07/28/2000 08:22 PROB PROBATION REFERRAL RECEIVED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M PROTECTION ORDER CANCELED
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV GUILTY PLEA
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV DISMISSED W/PREJ
07/24/2000 00:00 117M CNV CONTINUED
07/09/2000 11:00 12T ARRAIGNMENT
07/09/2000 00:00 12T CNV NOT GUILTY PLEA
07/09/2000 00:00 117M CNV COURTRM REASSIGNED
07/08/2000 00:00 DEFENDANT JAILED
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV SENTENCE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV FINE GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP
01/01/2000 00:00 CNV BOND GROUP

Action Minutes
09-15-00.BOND RELEASED COURTRM/117M.

07-09-00.BOND SET AT $ 750.00 COURTRM/12T.

09-15-00.COURT COSTS IMPOSED $ 18.00

09-15-00.COURT COSTS PAID $ 18.00

09-15-00.DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM ORDERED COURTRM/117M.

07-10-00.JURY FEE PAID $ 25.00

09-15-00.JURY FEE REFUNDED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL IMPOSED 365 DAY(S). COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.JAIL SUSPENDED 365 DAY(S).

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE $ 11.00

09-15-00.VICTIM ASSISTANCE SURCHARGE PAID $ 11.00

09-15-00.PROBATION GRANTED COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.SPECIAL CONDITIONS COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS IMPOSED $ 100.00 COURTRM/117M.

09-15-00.PROBATION COSTS PAID $ 100.00
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