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Complaint Review: Turner Enterprises

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  • Submitted: Sat, January 21, 2012
  • Updated: Wed, July 11, 2012

  • Reported By: Dee123 — Plymouth Michigan United States of America
Turner Enterprises
30300 Telegraph Road Suite 195 Bingham Farms, Michigan United States of America

Turner Enterprises in Bingham Farms, MI Daughter has been working there for one month and not one pay check, using her car and gas, no reimbursement Bingham Farms, Michigan

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Last post was accidently posted to the wrong thread- my apologies .

*Consumer Comment: My dear, you are so misguided and have horse blinders on.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: John Agnew

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Type in Cydcor in this site to Uncover the Consistent TRUTH about this company

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wolves in Sheeps Clothing

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Not necessarily a scam, but it's not worth your daughter's time.. .

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Daughter Concerned

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My daughter was lurred by this company, Turner Enterprises, 1 month ago and she has been working 6 days a week for 10 hours a day and has NOT received a paycheck. She has used her gas and car with NO reimbursement for mileage or gas.

This is the BIGGEST scam job. These "owners" prey on young people who do door to door sales and then never pay them. The kids quit and they find new victims. I am demanding my daughter gets paid for her work or will do everything in my power to bring this company down.

Turner Enterprises is BAD for Michigan businesses and cheats and steals.

STAY AWAY!!

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Last post was accidently posted to the wrong thread- my apologies .

AUTHOR: Pam Bondi HELP US ! - ()

The MI Turner company has nothing to do with the Florida scam.
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#2 Consumer Comment

My dear, you are so misguided and have horse blinders on.

AUTHOR: Pam Bondi HELP US ! - ()

Government agencies across the nation are drumming up lawsuits against this company because your company that you stand up for are breaking federal laws. This same company doesn't give 2 s's about you. I don't feel bad for you when you show up for work one day and the doors are closed. Dont worry, the owners will be relaxing in their inter coastal 22 million dollar property while your in line looking for a job. It's coming, you just don't realize it yet. Www.thecaribbeancruisescam.com

Ps would a Fortune 500 like Verizon be suing for 13.5 million if this was legit? Moms know best. You're just a dumb kid. Nothing personal. No honest citizen in this country would work here and if you do you're either blind or part of the problem.
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

John Agnew

AUTHOR: ExEmployee - (United States of America)

John Agnew
Alliance Executive Solutions
AllianceExecutiveSolutions.com
550 Reo St
Tampa, FL

Another Cydcor office in Tampa FL. If you dont know anything about Cydcor google it or search them on ripoff's site. Below are lists of other Cydcor Offices I know are still operating.

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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Type in Cydcor in this site to Uncover the Consistent TRUTH about this company

AUTHOR: heyguys... - (United States of America)

This is the biggest scam of all time.  Its sad because the people who aspire to be managers believe they are going to be business owners but really the ones in "ownership" are no more than Managers at McDonalds- except in this case the company does not want the responsiblity of securing their futures so they let them operate nothing more than a FRANCHISE with their name on it but still under the guidelines of the Parent Company.  A McDonalds Franchisee is better off because they do have ownership of something but every McDonalds is the same just like every CYDCOR OFFICE. 

This business resembles the PIMP GAME.  In this case the "Hoes" are door to door sales men and women who let the PIMP "manager" get a cut of their hard earned money and are made to believe that its a great idea.  There are some managers who pass the game on and actually promote outside deals but the trick to figuring out if you will go anywhere with your particular manager is to see if he or she has promoted outside deals.  If they have not- you have to ask yourself if he is scared of losing the ones who make the most money for him. 

They try to say it will "benefit them more" if they "promote out" but that is just to reduce skepticism from the employees and make them think the Manager wouldnt intentionally keep them. Think about this- As a leader you know all the sucky drawbacks to staying with the company but would you tell a new hire that? Hell no why? because they would leave. Thats why.  You dont think that the managers KNOW that there is NO POT OF GOLD? you dont think the managers have meetings and are told what to tell and not tell,the leaders and assistant managers to KEEP THEM?

Isnt the manager given a "manager book" when they get promoted? Wonder whats in there? Ways to keep people in your office maybe? What to tell the leaders who havent been promoted yet etc...DUH. keep listening to your manager.  The reality is the manager makes more money by having more hoes and the manager has to lose a few thousand dollars in the process of promoting an outside deal. 

Not to mention the months they spend recruiting to get their office making money again.  The leaders who get promoted to assistant have to take someone with them when they go right? The managers may not even have enough money TO give the assistant who is leaving.  They flaunt the "wire" reports about how much money they have but that is actually how much they made for CYDCOR that week and an estimate of what is left for the manager after payroll taxes etc.  

The manager will show whats in their "CORPORATE ACCOUNT" which may be thousands of dollars that they have NO ACCESS TO- they say they can pull from that or that they PAY THEMSELVES- but truthfully, the HUB is over that account and the manager has to ask and explain any time they need an "advance" or to borrow from that account- and they can be told NO. Ask them what is in their personal account and its no more than a few hundred bucks- maybe even less than the people who work for a paycheck.

Yes, The biggest PIMP of them all is CYDCOR. What do Pimps do? They get hoes and make the hoes believe he has their best interest at heart and that its better if they work under his guidance and supervision.  They show the hoes stacks of money and have flashy jewelry and cars that they give the hoes "access" to but the HOES dont OWN those items even though the HOE contributed to the PURCHASING of those Items. 

The PIMP is charismatic and says "look what we have" or "all this can be yours" or "all this is ours" or "im trying to help you out" The best hoes are called "bottom hoes"  these are the ones who have made the most money for the pimp through their own personal time on the track(field) and by bringing daddy more hoes( recruits) to the "stable".  There is a lot of psychology involved here and the ones who are most blind and damaged are the ones who have been with the pimp the longest and have seen many hoes come and go.

The managers are also nothing more than HOES for CYDCOR.  In fact, the manager is in a worse predicament that a leader because the manager has to Hoe for Cydcor and their life depends on getting and keeping hoes- they have the most to lose.  So anyone who desperately wants to be a manager, you only aspire to be a low budget pimp for your employees and a HOE for Cydcor... your parents will be so proud. 

Just read "PIMP" by Iceburg slim An award winning novel and autobiography written by Iceburg Slim who Pimped in Chicago for several years and details some of the tactics used by pimps to intentionally deceive and diminish the self worth of hoes and keep them on the stroll and keep them blind to the real world; or watch the documentaries "Pimps up Hoes Down" or "American Pimp".  Seriously.

Sidenote: Any organization who uses a manual " leader book" or refers to another person as "leader" is a CULT. If you are an adult: why would you allow another HUMAN BEING who is no smarter, better, or capable then you are even CALL THEMSELVES YOUR "LEADER" that terminology alone is CRAZY. What qualifies someone or gives them the right to be your LEADER when all they have done is trained how to close a sale. 

The lines get blurred and crossed when they start interfering or giving unsolicited advice and opinions on personal matters. This organization is SINFUL because one of the 10 commandments is to not worship any other IDOLS or use any other teachings as a way of life.  One leader, GOD and one leader book, THE BIBLE will do just fine.This company preys on the people who want to get rich quick.
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Wolves in Sheeps Clothing

AUTHOR: heyguys... - (United States of America)

Samantha- as a former employee of cydcor and 2 of its affiliates I understand why you felt the need to defend this company.  In your leader book it says "seek first to understand and then be understood" right? Well just know that I worked for this company for a year and when I first started it was cool and I had the same rebellious tendencies toward my caring family and friends who tried to warn me about this company. In fact, I believed in the "big picture" so much that I left to open up an office with a new manager.  This company was exciting and I started out making -decent- money, never enough though to compensate for all of the time I spent giving it right back to the company in gas- other people etc.  The Sr. National consultant is Ed Cunliffe and he was one of the main reasons I believed in Management.  I thought if I worked hard and used the script in training, then leadership, then leaders with leaders- than it was only up to me and how hard I worked and I had no one to blame but myself if I didnt succeed.  Sounds easy= its black and white, if you do 1+1 you will get 2 right? Wrong. That is what they want you to think because their livelihood depends on you sticking around to make money for the office, and be a number on someone elses team until they get promoted. You are encouraged to build your own team so... there inlies the moral issue I have with this company.  Why have they been so nice to you? I will tell you it is not out of the kindness of their hearts- they are sales people and their job is to sell you on the business, being friends, and sticking around. Why is it you are encouraged to spend so much time away from the outside world ie. office night, team night, your guys, your guys, your guys? because it is textbook cult seclusion so they plant a seed of togetherness and fill your head with THEIR doctrine: What is their doctrine? That everyone who gets paid a salary, has benefits, a company car, stability, free time, a 401 k, and a healthy work life balance is a sell out and you need to PAY NOW AND PLAY LATER. They use Ed and Mike and Rebbie as their "god like" cult leaders that "set the pace" and have "high standards to make you feel crazy for not wanting to slave for a check that may be 100$ in a week? You are worth more than 100$ for 60+hours of your time.( Trust me I already know all the rebuttals they will use to prove I am wrong and what they will say to you to keep you " in the game" and "focused on your goals".

Why is it called "negging" out when a person has a legitimate concern or is sick of walking door to door day in and out- or getting the cops called on you- or running out of gas? MIND CONTROL...

Truthfully, If I were a manipulative, self-serving, wolf in sheeps clothing of a person with delusions of grandeur like the managers and top leaders- I would have stuck around and helped promote leaders; I was great at the sales and maintained my place as one of top 5 reps in the office-But I am a good person and there was something off about the constant rehersal each day of what to " tell your guys" when they are not happy with the company, or lie to people just to keep them on my team, or encourage someone who got a 90$check and has a family to " think about big picture", and it was hard to be FAKE like them too after a while; Im not going to smile in a new hires face when myself and MOST of the people in the office are struggling financially to the point of ruin.

Your Mom Loves you and she is on your team- those people will lie to you and go as far to "prove" everyone outside is a lazy bum with no future but the last time I checked Bums are people who make less than minimum wage and dont care because..later on in life... Just think about it. Live your life for today and not for tomorrow. Get money now, security NOW, a backbone NOW. Mend Fences with your Mom- keep family first no matter what they say. Get your experience if you need to- but dont let this company come between you and your real family and friends. Its NOT WORTH IT!

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Not necessarily a scam, but it's not worth your daughter's time.. .

AUTHOR: Anonymous9779 - (United States of America)

As a former employee of Turner Enterprises, I can assure you that your daughter will eventually get paid, but it will take some time. And chances are her paycheck will be much smaller than anticipated. 

My best recommendation is for her to quit as soon as possible, if she hasn't already. While the company is not necessarily a scam, it is a multi-level-marketing scheme that preys on people desperately looking for a job. Yes, you will learn valuable sales techniques, but it's not worth the negatives that come along with it. 
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Daughter Concerned

AUTHOR: sdaniels.rosie - (United States of America)

Welcome, My name is Samantha. I am the daughter mentioned in this article. It was brought to my attention by my administrator who was wondering why someone who has never met him would be so cruel as to post this. If you met me or my fellow employees, you would understand why we do this.

At new hire, you are given a contract to sign in the explaining the details of our company. You are made aware that the job you are applying for is commission based. Your first week you go out with leaders so you can learn the way we work. After you have closed your first app solo, you start selling on your own.

You get half commission for the apps you do while with someone and full commission on apps you close solo. You are made aware of this from the beginning. You are paid two weeks into it as it takes Cydcor two weeks to process our checks and at&t to verify the sale.

I have been working here four weeks. I did get paid what I was due. Even right now as I sit here typing this, there is a $100 check sitting in the next office that will be given to me today before I leave the office.

This company has gone above and beyond for me. I recently got in a car accident and they have picked me up and dropped me off from work, going so far as to give me leads off their own sheet so I would be near enough to them to get a ride home and even a warm car to take a break in.

I am constantly bothered by people telling me that my company is a scam and honestly I have to ask you this, If we are a scam, why is AT&T (a Fortune 500 company) and Cydcor (JD Power and Associates, The Leader) backing us? Why do they work with us? More importantly, why is our office so big and full of people who have worked here for months and have more money than they know what to do with?

Yes, the way we work is a little bit different than is typical. But I love my job. I watched others succeed and get promoted. I'm about to watch one of our managers go out to open her own company. Turner Enterprises is an incredible and very reputable company. There is not one person here who would say otherwise.

I feel bad for the people who gave up interviews over this false claim and I urge them to get in contact with Turner to reschedule. The first two weeks are hard but after that is gets a lot easier. It's great waking up in the morning and knowing that the day is going to be fun. The people who work here will not hesitate to go above and beyond to help you.

My only request is that my mothers report will be removed from here. We have some personal issues to work out and I do not feel that company should be affected by this false claim.
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