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Complaint Review: Uchee Pines Institute - Agatha Thrash MD

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  • Submitted: Thu, January 26, 2006
  • Updated: Fri, August 03, 2012

  • Reported By:Seale Alabama
Uchee Pines Institute - Agatha Thrash MD
30 Uchee Pines Road Seale, Alabama U.S.A.

Uchee Pines Institute - Agatha Thrash MD ripoff "Now I urge you, brethren, note thosse which cause divisions and offences, contrary to the doctrine which you learned and avoid them. For those who are such who do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by SMOOTH WORDS AND FLATTERING SPEECH DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE." Seale Alabama

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Substantiation Needed

*General Comment: Remaining neutral for now

*Author of original report: Stefanie

*Consumer Comment: I Don't Support Dr. Agatha At All

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Be not overcome with evil, overcome evil with good

*General Comment: The Truth Takes Only A Few Words

*Consumer Comment: Dr. Agatha Thrash is a most Godly doctor.

*Consumer Comment: White Fights: The Deceiver and The Deceiver Displayer-AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.)

*Author of original report: FROM THE HARPIE

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Character Development

*Consumer Comment: The White Fights March On!

*Author of original report: Don't confuse the beneficiary

*General Comment: Two Lessons

*Consumer Comment: A Student at Uchee Pines - 23 years ago

*Author of original report: Facts are facts

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: An appeal for calm

*Consumer Comment: A Medical Professional's Opinion

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: An Inaccurate Report

*Consumer Comment: Evidence, please?

*Consumer Comment: Blessings at Uchee Pines

*General Comment: Uchee Pines Blessings

*Consumer Comment: "The Proof is in the Pudding"

*Consumer Comment: Campanions?

*Consumer Comment: Campanions?

*Consumer Comment: Campanions?

*Consumer Comment: Campanions?

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Six years ago, battered by a bitter and brutal divorce, I was asked by Agatha Thrash to be her companion....at consideraable expense I moved from Florida to Alabama and began a 3 year period of what I realize now was white slavery at the hands of an expert exploiter who masquerades as a pious medical missionary of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I had a new savings account of more than $150,000, which I told her about, the partial settlement from my divorce...No wonder she was so anxious to have me move there...ah hindsight....


Over the next three years, I spent 12 and 14 hours a day working on Agatha's "projects"...none of which were missionary projects, but consisted of digging ditches on the road to her son's home, treating his and her daughters' homes with poisonous chemicals which have weakened my lungs, paying for her false teeth, glasses, and remodeling her and her 2 children's homes, purchasing them late model vehicles, paying for hotel and travel expenses for her "lectures", etc., etc., etc.,.....in excahnge for this, I was "privileged" to eat at her table, which I paid to have refinished and chairs redone and the food which I mostly paid for entirely after Calvin died, and also prepared....she never even did a medical exam, but she maintains that her so called services warranted the $178,000 she bilked me out of in that short amount of time....she never intended for me to move in with her (see the story Nathan told David about the rich man using the poor man's ewe lamb to feed his guests in 2 Sam 12),

I realized this when I completed the 2 year remodeling project which included all new carpet, paint, tile, linoleum, all wood cabinets, new and or newly repaired and upolstered furniture, 5 miles of gravel, house painted, new screens, shutters, 9 new appliances, and 2 late model vehicles....and on and on the expenses went....this included renting a house for $500 per month to house her pet students from Malaysia who never performed their agreed upon household duties or paid any rent or utilities in the 2 years they lived in the house....I spent 6 weeks living in a freezing basement in St. Louis remodeling Ann Thrash Trumbo's house and paying out more than 6,000 on tools and other items I was tricked into purchasing such as a $1000 front door, wall oven, etc....the idea was that I was a "member of the family" now, and had I read Proverbs 1 I would have run like stink...WHICH IS WHY I'M WRITING THIS....THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT POOR SELF SACRIFICING MISSIONARIES..THEY ARE SELF SERVING EXPLOITERS WHO HAVE MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS IN LAND NEARBY AND BOOK ROYALTIES AND BOOKSTORE INCOME, NOT TO MENTION THEIR STIPENDS AND THE THOUSANDS THAT PEOPLE SEND HER FOR HER MEDICAL "HELP"....

The Lord showed me the following qoute when I asked for Him to show me the truth about this situation...I also urge you to "let God be true and every man a liar" including me when praying about this report...it is from Ministry of Healing, by Ellen G. White, pp.242& 243

Control of Mind Over Mind
There is, however, a form of mind cure that is one of the most effective agencies for evil. Through this so-called science, one mind is brought under the control of another so that the individuality of the weaker is merged in that of the stronger mind. One person acts out the will of another. Thus it is claimed that the tenor of the thoughts may be changed, that health-giving impulses may be imparted, and patients may be enabled to resist and overcome disease.

This method of cure has been employed by persons who were ignorant of its real nature and tendency, and who believed it to be a means of benefit to the sick. But the so-called science is based upon false principles. It is foreign to the nature and spirit of Christ. It does not lead to Him who is life and salvation. The one who attracts minds to Himself leads them to separate from the true Source of their strength.

It is not God's purpose that any human being should yield his mind and will to the control of another, becoming a passive instrument in his hands. No one is to merge his individuality in that of another. He is not to look to any human being as the source of healing. His dependence must be in God. In the dignity of his God-given manhood he is to be controlled by God Himself, not by any human intelligence.

God desires to bring men into direct relation with Himself. In all His dealings with human beings He recognizes the principle of personal responsibility. He seeks to encourage a sense of personal dependence and to impress the need of personal guidance. He desires to bring the human into association with the divine, that men may be transformed into the divine likeness. Satan works to thwart this purpose. He seeks to encourage dependence upon men. When minds are

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turned away from God, the tempter can bring them under his rule. He can control humanity.
The theory of mind controlling mind was originated by Satan, to introduce himself as the chief worker, to put human philosophy where divine philosophy should be. Of all the errors that are finding acceptance among professedly Christian people, none is a more dangerous deception, none more certain to separate man from God, than is this. Innocent though it may appear, if exercised upon patients it will tend to their destruction, not to their restoration. It opens a door through which Satan will enter to take possession both of the mind that is given up to be controlled by another, and of the mind that controls.

Fearful is the power thus given to evil-minded men and women. What opportunities it affords to those who live by taking advantage of other's weaknesses or follies! How many, through control of minds feeble or diseased, will find a means of gratifying lustful passion or greed of gain!

The hallmark of an exploiter is to consider their needs only and the eploitee "tunes in" to those needs with the desire to please the exploiter usually to the exclusion of their own needs...
In the case of Agatha Thrash, those who go to her or Uchee PInes are usually ignorant of the health message and essentially submit themselves to the "expertise" of these so called healers, thereby opening the door to their exploitation....There has never been a greater disservice to the true true ministry of healing than that which is "practised" at this institute..."Dr" Agatha's specialty is pathology, she has done thousands of autopsies and charges thousands for her services...she is still active in this field...
For anyone who has ever studied the Old Testament and the statutes pertaining to health, it becomes readily apparent that the laws forbidding the touching of the dead are 4 to 1 in ratio to any other health invective * And the Lord spake to Moses saying "Command the children of Israel that they put out of the camp every leper, everyone who has a discharge, and whoever becomes defiled by a dead body. You shall put out both male and female, you shall put h em outside the camp, that they may not defile their camps in the midst of which I dwell."Num*5...this entails more than the concern of body fluids....it is about those dead in sin vs those dead to sin....it is why Jesus says to those he called, ...."let the dead bury their dead" Luke 9*60 and why the gospel clearly states that God is not the God of the dead but the living...Matthew 22*32....

On one occasion I accompanied Agatha to an autoposy and the chilling words in Proverbs 7..."Do not let your heart turn aside to her ways, Do not stray into her paths, for she has cast down many wounded, And all who were slain by her were strong men. HER HOUSE IS THE WAY TO HELL, DESCENDING TO THE CHAMBERS OF DEATH...
and believe me, to see her tear into a corpse really brings home the truth of these words...."...HE DOES NOT KNOW THAT THE DEAD ARE THERE, THAT HER GUESTS ARE IN THE DEPTHS OF HELL. Pr. 9*18

We,as SDA's are the modern version of the Nazarites, those who separate and consecrate themselves to the Lord and does not "go near a dead body....He shall not make himself unclean even for his father, or mother....because his separation to God is on his head..." Numbers 6

"Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord God Almighty." 2 Cor.*17

Do Not be fooled by the phony Southern "sweetness" and the motherly image she projects...this, along with the self sacrificing medical missionary image is just that, an image...in fact, Uchee Pines and Agatha Thrash offer an overt curriculim in medical missionary work but covertly it is BEAST 101 or image worship at its most subtil....

I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER ANY PLEDGES, CONTRIBUTIONS EITHER TIMEWISE OR OTHERWISE TO THIS FRAUDULENT FACADE OF "GOD'S MINISTRY OF HEALING"...IT IS ANYTHING BUT...IN FACT, ANYONE WHO HAS HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THIS MINISTRY IN THE NEARLY 40 YEARS OF ITS EXISTENCE, HAS, IN FACT, BEEN DEFILED BY AGATHA THRASH MD DUE TO HER PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME, WHICH HAS RENDERED HER AND ALL WHO COME NEAR HER UNCLEAN.

My experience has been bittersweet...I am going on the 2nd year of living in my vehicle while she and her children are enjoying the benefits of the tens of thousands of dollars I spent on their homes, hundreds of hours free labor, and driving the vehicles purchased for my use also..."REMOVE YOUR WAY FAR FROM HER, AND DO NOT GO NEAR THE DOOR OF HER HOUSE, LEST YOU GIVE YOUR HONOR TO OTHERS, AND YOUR YEARS TO THE CRUEL ONE, LEST STRANGERS BE FILLED WITH YOUR WEALTH AND LABORS GO TO THE HOUSE OF A STRANGER.." Pr.5*8

UCHEE PINES IS NOT THE MEDICAL MISSIONARY WORK DESCRIBED BY ELLEN G. WHITE...IT IS IN FACT A CULT WITH A BEWITCHER AT ITS HELM...OH YE FOOLISH GALATIANS....

People, I am telling you that Christ has called us to come out of the body of the harlot and I am here to tell you firsthand that UPI and Agatha Thrash are not of the body of Christ...

When I confronted Agatha about this, she said that "no one will believe you, I'm too dignified", but folks, scripture speaks for itself and even after urging her to come forth and publicly state that her work with the dead invalidated her so called "expertise" in the medical missionary field and repent...she refused...I URGE YOU TO PRAY FOR HER, STUDY THE TEXTS FOR YOURSELF....THIS WOMAN IS IN HER MID 70'S AND UNSANCTIFIED DUE TO THE FILTHINESS OF HER PROFESSION....JESUS IS COMING SOON...LET YOUR PRAYERS ASCEND FOR HER AND SMOOTH AND SEDUCTIVE(ANN AND CAL)....GOD DOES LOVE THEM, BUT THEY MUST REPENT
ANYONE WHO HAS ALBEIT IGNORANTLY HAD ANY CONTACT WITH HER MUST REPENT AS THEY ARE UNCLEAN....

DO NOT IDOLIZE THIS WOMAN, IDOLATRY IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO HEALING

I AM,
A HELPER OF YOUR JOY
STEFANIE

Stefanie
Seale, Alabama
U.S.A.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Substantiation Needed

AUTHOR: John - ()

This report will hereafter will be considered to have no credibility and false until the complainant provides some kind of verification of the statements she has made. These may be in the form of copies of bank accounts or checks, receipts, photographs, dental bills, etc. uploaded to this site. $150,000 (or $178,000) does not just come and go without some trail of evidence.  This woman is now obligated to put up or shut up.
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#2 General Comment

Remaining neutral for now

AUTHOR: Date Palm Tree - (United States of America)

I have never seen Agatha Thrash myself but have seen her seminar DVDs and I always thought they were very informational as to how to live a better life spiritually, physically, and mentally. 

When I read about how she has treated you so horribly I was quite shocked but not so surprised (e.g. reading the news about Dr. Samuel Pipim). A person can be doing good works and be godly most times but that doesn't necessary mean that they are saved (Satan disguises himself as an angel of light...and only the Word itself can distinguish whether it came from God or not). We will never be sure if anyone will be saved or not.

If this is true what she has done to you that is very sad indeed. I am sure she probably used to be godly but somehow some small private sin she has not been able to clean out became very big after a long while. I hope she will eventually repent and apologize to you. But if not, God will remember your sufferings. 

I am sure she still continues to do good works of saving people from sickness. I think I admire her medical knowledge but I am not sure about her philosophy of religion. Interestingly, Ellen White says that the Health Institution should be a place to impart the right religious philosophy more than the physical healing (just summarizing from testimonies vol1 ch99). Dr. Thrash could do a good job with medical work but so could any other doctor in the world. Although I wouldn't go into further speculating Dr. Thrash's spiritual life, character, etc. I couldn't agree with you more that the Adventist population tends to idolize "famous SDAs" too much. They're normal people like everyone else and all this flattering tempts them to cherish pride in their hearts. Does this not make us guilty that we are leading them to sin? We shouldn't have any "saints"; those are reserved for Catholic people. If we want to be holy then we should look to Christ and He will change us with His love.

random thought: I am just not sure about the whole dissection thing. This is just my opinion so don't take it personally please. Since people do dissect cadavers for medical education I see no wrong in that. However I do realize that in the Old Testament it is forbidden....hmmm well maybe it's not the ideal way to educate medical students but that's how it is for now. 

I pray that you will be able to find a home. Take care and God bless.
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Stefanie

AUTHOR: Stefanie - (U.S.A.)

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Corinthians 


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#4 Consumer Comment

I Don't Support Dr. Agatha At All

AUTHOR: I Don''t Support Agatha - (USA)

AUTHOR: John - Orlando (United States of America)

I care little about what you say about the "respondents" because I happen to be one and I don't support Dr. Agatha at all because I am only interested in the Caucasian comedy of errors found clearly evident in this report with Caucasian versus Caucasian.  You can talk all you want but I know that Caucasian bigotry is still found here nicely disguised and hidden away from all to see.  It seems the report hints at such and the location that this report has identified stinks very high with the stench and contamination of bigoted discrimination....even if it comes in medical overcoats and so called "nice" medical establishments like the one that the report has clearly identified.

You can LIE all you want to the rest of us AUTHOR: John - Orlando (United States of America) but I believe such a stench happens to be there.
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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Be not overcome with evil, overcome evil with good

AUTHOR: John - (United States of America)

I want to join the growing number of resondents who are standing up and coming out in support of Dr. Agatha Thrash and Uchee Pines.  I have known her for 34 years and have benefited enormously from her work.  I will  continue to support Uchee Pines in every way that I can. 
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#6 General Comment

The Truth Takes Only A Few Words

AUTHOR: Mr. Wesley - (United States of America)

Does she sound like her accusations are rational?   Did she keep records?  To leave Florida at an invitation and immediately become brainwashed into continuing to shell out $150,000 to $178,000 and THEN SUDDENLY to come to senses and get out?  This accuser doesn't sound stable...much less "filled with love or a good spirit".  God speaks calmly and truthfully.  Some native American chief once said "The truth takes only a few words."
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#7 Consumer Comment

Dr. Agatha Thrash is a most Godly doctor.

AUTHOR: Mr. Wesley - (United States of America)

I first found Dr. Thrash through a friend for whom she delivered her child by Lamaz Method.  My wife and I had read "Birth Without Violence" by LaVois and LaMaz who proposed gentle and kind delivery methods unlike what was normal in US hospitals at the time.  Given Dr. Thrash's number I called and she discussed our stituation in great detail before she would grant an appointment.  Finally she asked me why exactly we wanted her to do this. I told her I'd heard she did LaMaz and I'd read the book and wanted for all the world that our child would have the best, most loving introduction into the world.  She sighed deeply and said "that is a very good reason, thank you."  We met with her and began Lamaz classes with a group.  When the time came Dr. Thrash and a group of her student missionary ladied delivered our son in our home.  It was the most beautiful and kind thing the way they did it too. After all had left except Dr. Thrash, I asked her humbly about the fees.  I forget the amount but it was very reasonable...$400 perhaps.  She said "Don't worry about it.  Pay me as God provides for you to pay me." 

I was floored. I had maybe $250 and had been saving up...but with a low paying job I just didn't have it all.  She'd never mentioned it other than when I asked at the front she'd given me the amount which included the classes.  She left and I sat gasping. NEVER had I seen or imagined a medical doctor being SO GRACIOUS!  My father was a veterinarian of the old school and I knew he was always very considerate and giving for the good of the animals he loved.  Dr. Thrash was far kinder and more gracious than my father!!! 

We paid within a few months.  Two years later we asked and she accepted to deliver our second child.  Again she was totally gracious and Christian loving toward us.  Ben took several days of waiting in their delivery apartment homelike setting.  There was no pressure to hurry and the cost was nominal, though we ate many meals there over the several days.  No worries.

Our 3rd son was to be the same way but because my wife had not started her period after son #2 we were not sure when to begin counting.  End of March that year we had a false labor.  End of April again.  End of May she thought she was going into labor and Dr. Thrash advised a method to be sure before driving to their place.  My wife messed up and turned off the alarm instead of resetting it for an hour later.  I had to drive 80 miles to my new job and couldn't afford loosing another day to a false labor.  Boss was becoming suspicious and unsure of me.   At about 1:30 am she woke me in labor.  I had been there for other 2 and watched carefully.   Within 30 minutes we had a 3rd son and I was nervous as can be.  Dr. Thrash called and asked why we weren't on the way.  I'd called her when I awoke and before I realized the baby was about to come out.   I told her and she went down a check list with me and helped me deliver the placenta, be sure the baby was fine and Beth too.  She'd already instructed 2 nurses to come to our trailer and check on everything.  They arrived soon and all was well. 

Several months later we all came down with a terrible flu.  My wife and I couldn't care for our 3 sons including the baby.  Dr. Thrash enlisted 2 women to come care for us and get us well, taking care of our kids in our own home. They stayed 2 days.  I sent Dr. Thrash some money though it was tight.  She and her people saved lives I think.  All in such a dear and loving way, without an unkind word or any guilt feelings towards us. 

We decided it must be something about her church and joined it because of living the love that is God.  I won't call her a Saint but God I think does. 

Reading this rant against her is totally out of character for Dr. Thrash so I believe it must be some ill spirit in the person who is expressing such ill will.  Christ was perfect yet received great criticism in his day.  Even now many blame He and His Father for the problems produced by Satan's illness.  Satan and his angels are starved and without love.  Hungry lions looking for who they can devour.  The truth rings true like a bell and without loud clanging. It lasts as the Bible does, simply and yet filled with chicken soup for the soul. 

God bless Agatha Thrash, Uchee Pines and all the good people who have and are associated.  God have mercy on those who seek to find fault where there there is less likeliness thereof. 

The true test for anyone reading this is to meet Dr. Thrash.  Imagine the bad things said about Mary the unwed pregnant girl and her husband Joseph who married that questionable lady.  Imagine the incorrect things said about Christ who healed and never hurt, saved and never judged wrongfully, came to fulfill the law not judge by it, who was willing to stand up for the goodness in all men tha was put there by His Father the Creator rather than cut any person off from love, life and joy...heaven.  This man was perfect and yet many spit on him and accused Him of selfish wrong-doing.  Christ forgave them even as they crucified Him.  I think Dr. Thrash is of the same character, doing God's will and forgiving those who would trash her and in doing so trash or pervert God's blessings. 

What each of us sows we reap.  God have mercy on the lady or gentleman who posted against Dr. Thrash.  In Christ's name and with His love. Amen.  

Joseph L. Wesley, architect and saved Christian

Praise God for His Power and Glorious Light that burns the eyes of evil with it's sweet kindness, heaps coals of fire on the heads of wrong-doers. May they repent before the time is up.


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#8 Consumer Comment

White Fights: The Deceiver and The Deceiver Displayer-AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.)

AUTHOR: This Is The Truth - (USA)

...Ah The Fights Continue On.  This time with AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.) who appears to be a displayer of a deceived individual.

However the one called AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.) a.k.a. the colorless contender forgets to realize that she also is among those that are the deceived as well!

...How so she asks?

...Simple Really...

Because in that which her colorless self has conveniently highlighted she has also highlighted and captured the confusion of her own internal conflict.

....Sometimes....

...Deception does not only come from those who are deceivers but sometimes from those who also seek to display the deception of others as is the case with AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.)

...Because while they are portraying others who are perverse they sometimes portray how perverse they are in some of their ideas as well...

...And Such is the case....

....With AUTHOR: Stefanie - Seale (U.S.A.)
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FROM THE HARPIE

AUTHOR: Stefanie - (U.S.A.)

This is not about revenge, it is about warning people about an exploiter who masquerades as a medical missionary, someone who thinks nothing about taking their time and their money under false pretenses.  The actual amount was closer to $200,000 - I had $150,000 initially when she asked me to come there and the rest came later.  I was not involved with the Institute whatsoever - my time there was strictly as Agatha's slave. Your experience with her was as an affliate of Uchee Pines, mine was with Agatha the individual (who exerts her influence over the institute)
There are many others beside myself who have experienced this and are aware of her deceptiveness, you dear folks are among those to whom she referred when she stated that 'no one will believe you, I'm too dignified." ....she has honed her 'IMAGE' well, but the real Agatha is not who you think she is.
The initial message stands - BEWARE.
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#10 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Character Development

AUTHOR: John - (United States of America)

"We are all creatures of feeling, we all suffer disappointments. It is how we learn to suffer them that forms our character."  (Emma,  Jane Austen's finest novel)
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#11 Consumer Comment

The White Fights March On!

AUTHOR: This Is The Truth - (USA)

How refreshing it is when they fight amongst themselves now isn't it?  Fights of this kind just seem to keep marching on and on and on.  I love the fact that they never end but always seem to twist and turn into ever spiraling facets of new confusion.

Now what type of confusion do we have here:  Medical confusion.  Just when you thought it would involve one field we see confusion and conflict involving another field and such in public and in an open forum when the matter at hand could have been privately handled.

.....But as it is these kinds of fights nothing ever stays private for long now does it!

To:  AUTHOR: Racquelle - Port Moody (Canada)

Who says: 

"23 yrs ago this month, my husband and I newly married and newly
baptized came to Uchee Pines for a new 4 month Medical Missionary
training course. During the course of our stay, I became pregnant
with our first child."

Why should we give a flip or care about such absolute nonsense about your "white husband" "white pregnancy" or your "white children" anyway? Garbage of the same color it seems!

However I guess they can be worked in the equation and scenario of events of the above title since these added ingredients only seem to help cook more a greater pot of confusion and conflict than this situation had ever had before.

...No wonder I like fights that are like these-even if No one's God was ever the creator of it or would ever want to even be part of it because He never got any promotion with it in the first place to begin with!

...In the end we all can know which fight club all these fighters actually belong to now don't we....

...It's the one that keeps marching on.....
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#12 Author of original report

Don't confuse the beneficiary

AUTHOR: Stefanie - (U.S.A.)

It was not Uchee Pines Insititute that benefited from my largesse (although there were considerable contributions there also), it was the Thrash family members -   Agatha made sure of that.
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#13 General Comment

Two Lessons

AUTHOR: John - (United States of America)

There are two lessons that we learn from this report. The first has been around since 1573 --"A fool and his money are soon parted."  The second is that these so called "self supporting institutions" are desperate for money because they are not eligible for medicare or insurance company funds.  They depend on contributions (thank you very much). Ellen G. White summed up a similar problem by telling the one who suffered: "experience is a hard teacher, but you don't soon forget her lessons."
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#14 Consumer Comment

A Student at Uchee Pines - 23 years ago

AUTHOR: Racquelle - (Canada)

It saddened me to find this report, saddened me that someonewould report such obvious falsehoods about one of the most Christ-like individuals I have crossed paths with.

I actually found this report doing a random Google search to find Mrs. Thrash's email address; I am planning on sending her a thank you note, perhaps I will mail one the traditional way.

23 yrs ago this month, my husband and I newly married and newly baptized came to Uchee Pines for a new 4 month Medical Missionary training course. During the course of our stay, I became pregnant withour first child. Mrs. Thrash kindly gave me some very wise counsel against vaccinating my children, counsel that, except for a couple of vaccines, I followed. In the past few years, my research has led to some devastating information about vaccines and the harm they cause. Just recently I've been embroiled in conversations with people, and re-educating myself, that I might givethem the benefit of my knowledge and spur them to get educated and make the best decisions for their own children.

In the process, as I've uncovered more and more of the unsettling aspects of the vaccine industry, it reminded of Mrs Thrash's advice and I felt such gratitude that I had been so blessed to receive such wise counsel

Unfortunately, our more conservative self-supporting institutions do seem to attract a certain number of slightly fanatic, and some times unstable individuals. Without knowing the particulars, I have to assume this woman is of the unstable variety. I wanted to submit my testimony that I witnessed only the most upright and blameless of characters in witnessing the lives and ministry of the Thrashes.

God Bless

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#15 Author of original report

Facts are facts

AUTHOR: Stefanie - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ones,

Agatha knows her audience well . . ."No one will believe you, I'm too dignfied" was her comment when confronted about this ... God bless each of you, for He is my defense while you are Agatha's . . .

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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

An appeal for calm

AUTHOR: solohoh - (USA)

This is a story about avery disturbed, wealthywoman who came to the open, welcome arms of Uchee Pines for help and comfort and left penniless and even more disturbed. Obviously she did not get the care and comfort she needed and deserved. Unfortunately there seems to be enough truthin her story, not to mention her bad experiences,toindicate some poor judgment on the part of that institution and the named individuals.It really is heartbreaking to see all that pain and rage turned into revenge. The conclusion is that everyone, to some degree, that wasinvolved with this woman is to blame.No one has disputed the fact that$150,000 (she changed her mind a few sentences later and claimed it was $178,000) came and went. Did the money obscure Agatha Thrash's judgment? Why not just give it back to her? And in this day and age to say that "I was asked by Dr. Agatha Thrash to be her companion," with all of that statement's innuendos expressed inthis secular forum, has got to be a hysterical descent into the abyss.I have known Drs. Calvin and Agatha Thrashfor a long, long time. Like so many others,I have greatly benefited by their wonderful work and mission. What they did before they became Seventh-day Adventists is forgotten and forgiven, what they have done afterwards is forever and blessed. The lesson to be learned here is that we must be as gentle as sheep and as wise as a fox. It is unthinkable that the career and reputation of the instution and herein named individuals should be jeopardized by the ranting and raving of a "battered, bitter and brutalized" harpie.

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#17 Consumer Comment

A Medical Professional's Opinion

AUTHOR: Brooke - (United States of America)

I am an RN who served for many years on the staff, as well as in the administration of one of Uchee Pines "sister" institutions. I am very familiar with the scrupulous financial policies of these institutions which includes outside auditing and accountability. The "millions of dollars in land" (definitely an exaggeration) and income from the bookstore and patients never go to the doctors and staff personally, but are always put back into the institution itself with the staff voluntarily receiving a stipend which is very small indeed. It takes a lot of money to keep a medical facility afloat and since those specializing in natural and preventive medicine are rarely reimbursed by medical insurance companies, these places and their staff, including the administration, are not exactly swimming in money as "Stefanie" seems to think they are. I have watched for years as many incredibly talented physicians in these facilities who could be making a huge amount of money considering their wealth of knowledge and skill have instead immersed themselves in countless selfless hours of ministering to their patients, spending time with them actually listening and caring in a way that never happens in today's world of healthcare and I know what they are paid.  As others have noted, Stefanie offers no proof for her accusations, but what really discredits her remarks for me are her strange ideas that somehow Dr Agatha's profession as a pathologist makes her "unclean" and "filthy" and disqualifies her to minister to the sick.  This is bizarre reasoning and makes me concerned as to Stefanie's mental and emotional stability. This irrational thinking and her disjointed rambling and strange misuse of the Bible and Ellen White quotations are huge red flags to me as a medical professional. 
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#18 UPDATE EX-employee responds

An Inaccurate Report

AUTHOR: Well aquainted - (United States of America)

I went through a student training program in UPI for 2 years, and I worked there for a few more years after that, during which I had a LOT of personal contact and interaction with Dr. Agatha Thrash and her late husband Dr. Calvin Thrash.  The description mentioned by said "Stephanie" is grossly inaccurate at best.  They do nothing but the work of God in that institute, and I have seen and experienced it myself.  I have seen many people come and go from that place, faculty and guests alike, and it is quite common to hear that UPI was to them a little taste of "Heaven on Earth".

To Stephanie who filed this harsh complaint, please back up any of what you say with some hard evidence rather than personal insults and religious pretense.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Evidence, please?

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

We lived on Agatha and Calvin Thrash's property adjacent to Uchee Pines Institute for two years. (Our third child was born while we lived there, and Dr. Agatha was my doctor.) My father-in-law was the chaplain there for about 14 years (mid 70's to late 80's). We are personal friends with many who have lived / worked there over the years, and / or have an intimate knowledge of the situation at Uchee Pines.

I cannot figure out where "Stefanie" came up with all of this, unless she has a way to document it beyond the shadow of a doubt. It just does not fit the character of the Thrashs that I have known for the past 30+ years, or that I have heard about from my husband's parents, or from those I know who have worked with the Dr's Calvin and Agatha.

"Stefanie" made a lot of pretty serious charges, but did not cite any evidence to back up those charges. The testimony of the brother who related their personal experience, in meeting his wife's health challenges, is far more consistent with my own experience with Uchee Pines.

Just because someone drives a "late model car" or has a "nice home," does not mean that it was acquired through the types of fraudulent means "Stephanie" mentions. Non-profit institutions often receive gifts of things that are far beyond the limited means of the organization itself. People also, of their own free will, donate these things for the use of specific, self-sacrificing individuals, who would never even consider spending that kind of money on themselves.

Before anyone takes "Stephaine's" complaint seriously, I would urge them to do some serious checking into her relationship with Uchee Pines (there should be plenty of people around who can either verify or discredit her charges), and that they insist on verifyable documentation of her charges.

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#20 Consumer Comment

Blessings at Uchee Pines

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

My mother went to Uchee Pines with Breast cancer. She was treated with love and kindness. She adored the institute and I wish I could afford to attend. Her cancer was reduced and is in remission now due to the efforts of the staff at Uchee Pines. Wonderful experience and outstanding results.

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#21 General Comment

Uchee Pines Blessings

AUTHOR: ReneeAandW - (United States of America)

I have seen so many people blessed at Uchee Pines.  I wish I could live there. 
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#22 Consumer Comment

"The Proof is in the Pudding"

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

There are many sides to every story and anyone having ever passed by a certain "topic" or "instance" recieves certain "vibes", I guess you would say. There is a great difference between "I have a feeling about such and so" and "I have proof about such and so". I might add: The Bible says: "Ye shall know them by their fruits." What I have to say concerns things found while my wife, who had been given 6 months to live, due to a chronically infiltrated liver, by 4 different well respected medical facilities ... back in 1989.

First off, NO Man is a "healer", only God can do that part, "he" is only a vessel or a part thereof. I met both Calvin and Agatha Thrash and we talked with them on many occassions, then and occassionally over the following years. My wife is part Creek Indian and, therefore, seems to have a closer "tie" to the Spirit World", so to speak. I mention this, because the Word tells us that "the" or "your" spirit will bear witness". Basically, you can recognize "heart" of the person in question, i.e., good, bad or somewhat questionable. Along with this idea, common sense has a lot to do with the matter, as well.

As somewhat of a "spiritual primer", we were in no manner associated with the 7th Day Adventist Christian "movement". This explanation/description chose because I believe that most worldly/Godly religions are "movements", of a sort. Mainly separated by their understanding and beliefs of their personal God/god. Be it God(the Trinity) , god(of financial wealth), god( of individual power/control), etc., etcHence ... the Lifestyle Counselors, rather than the Medical Doctors and PHDs.
The belief or mindset that "You are what you Eat" really does have a worthwhile basis in one's life (hence, lifestyle).

I am 66 and my wife is 64, we ran and owned an auto repair business for 45+ years ... dealing with the public. We treated them as we wanted to be treated and our work was done as we would repair our own. We warrantied all of our work and, as far as I can remember, were never called to attend to a warranty repair more than 3-4 times. We are professing Christians, I was raised in the Methodist church and my wife a Baptist. The last 40+ years, we have been in Full Gospel movements that are not as "limited" as "originals" are. We have witnessed "healings" that had been done by "the other side" and the people reflected from whence their healing had come. Regardless of thought or belief, Satan does heal but, at the price of your soul ... which can very easily be detected by the "Holy Spirit" who will quicken your "spirit", if you are attuned to the "Spirit World".

What we experienced was a group of people who "cared" about you, as a person, your standing with God and helping you to restore your health. There was never seen an intent to convert one to their religious beliefs. The basic cost, at that time, was (I believe) $2,800/18day session. They asked me about possible vehicle/vechiles as an option, as many came there to work that needed one. As God would have it, I had a car and a truck that had not sold in almost a year. Every time they were test driven, there'd be a problem! To my knowledge, as of 3 years ago, both were still running as they were in '89 ... with no problems at all.

I have never experienced any more dedication from any medically based staff than I did with these people. Prior to starting the treatments, my wife had to stop and catch her breath 2-4 times in a 30-40 yard walk. After her 1st week, she was walking almost 4-5 miles a day ... w/o slowing down!! Each patient was treated for and fed according to their "problem". They were taught how and why the treatments were done and what choice and how the meals were prepared ... even a short period of time was given to individual food preparation. The class sessions were open to family members, if they wanted to attend. Any and all questions were answered to their best ability and knowledge. IF one did not have the answer, someone who did would be found.

It is a "given" that some ailments are, obviously, not treatable in this manner. I would imagine that is the reason Dr. Calvin had asked for Betty's medical records, which amounted to a military footlocker and large cardboard box full of papers, reports xrays, etc. that were thoroughly scanned before accepting here for treatment. We met a man , from the Islands, who was supposed to lose his leg because of gangrene from diabetes .. lose only his big toe. Other similar "healings" were also witnessed and followed over a period of years.

Considering my wife's return to health and that of others, with no adverse "spiritual happenings" to any of them ... in comparing them to 'healings from the other side', I would have to say that God definitely used these people to redirect these patients, including my wife, towards a "lifestyle" that returned them to their designed health.

Having said all of this, I feel that "The fruits of their labor reflect from whence they came." Many times, in life, one can easily come to a point where he/she feels that it's Satan and not God working in their life .... simply because it doesn't "look" or "feel" like God's way of doing something. Sometimes God will strip everything from a man in order for him to see what he is really made of. Given man's inheirent abilities, it is easy to lose site of who's doing what to whom.

This may or may not have been the case in this particular situation. If not, there should be legal ramifications. Again, man is man and no one person is totally incapable of backsliding in their faith. After all, Satan's job is to test and tear down, if possible, a sworn Christian and especially one doing what has called them to do. Only God can do this ... through the Holy Spirit to your spirit, IF you are so attuned. It is very easy to find Scriptural References that can be taken out of context to suit almost any situation. What actually may be taken as abuse and/or misuse can actually be God's form/way of correction and redirection.

In a manner of speaking, if the "fruit" is good and non-contaminated, do not destroy the tree/trees. However, there is also a "pruning" process that is included within the upkep of these same trees.
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#23 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

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