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  • Submitted: Fri, February 11, 2011
  • Updated: Sat, May 03, 2014

  • Reported By: The Real Truth — Atlanta Georgia United States of America
Veritas, Inc.
3715 Northside Parkway Bld 200 Ste 400 Atlanta GA Atlanta, Georgia United States of America

Veritas, Inc. Veritas Atlanta GA Stay Away from Veritas, Inc Marketing Company!!! Atlanta, Georgia

*Consumer Comment: Truth behind the parent company.....

*Author of original report: Veritas Inc. is part of a larger corporate cult system

*Author of original report: Veritas Inc. Buckhead Atlanta GA ads

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Please stay away from Veritas Inc. (fomerly Wentworth Marketing). I would not describe it as a scam, but that would not be far off. I put it under the category of "cult organization" and it is a very bad job. You go around and sell products and services (and encouraged to bend the truth to do so) for AT&T hired by Veritas. You pay for your own gas (which obviously isn’t cheap), get no benefits like health (which obviously isn’t cheap), and prospective customers (small business owners) often aren’t happy to see you because they know you are a salesman. And that is what you will be. They advertise things like "sales leader", "account manager" or  "account executive", the job is to be a door to door salesman nothing more, where you will be plenty of bs from unsuspecting small business owners or "clients" as Veritas will put it.  Moreover, you can get a lot b.s. from the people you work with. The reason for that is they are trying sell you something as well. You see, the way the system typically works, is that employees need to develop a “team”. When people go on interviews with a “mentor” or a “leader”, those leaders are hoping you will work for them so they can get a large enough of a team and be promoted to run their own marketing group and don’t have to drive around and have people spit in their face.

So, in other words, they are not hiring you, you are hiring yourself. They will take pretty much anyone and hope it works out because they need people in order to be promoted out of their crappy position. And once you are hired, they try to keep selling you for you won’t quit because most people don’t stay long. I only worked there for 16 days (excluding days off), but several people quit in the time I was there. I went on a business trip for a week and 2 of the 7 of us quit by the end of the week (I quit the next week). And most of the employees who had stuck around for more than a few weeks, had only been working there for 6 months or less. Only 3 had been working there for more than 6 months, and even they hadn’t worked there for a year. Only the boss and the secretaries (who didn’t drive all over the state selling stuff) had been there more than a year. It has been a few years since I quit, and outside those secretaries and the owner, the people there are surely entirely different than the people who were there when I was there. I am sure that they have had hundreds maybe thousands of employees be hired and quit since they opened in 2002 in Denver, CO. And the company only has a couple dozen or so sales at any one time. That is quite a turnover rate!

So, in summary, Veritas Inc. (formerly Wentworth Marketing but had to change name due to bad reputation) in Atlanta, owned by Edward Cunliffe, isn’t a scam. It is an actual business, but it is a very, very, very, crappy one. The pay, which is all commission, sucks, the job sucks, and the other workers are constantly trying to sell you the business because they need you to stay on for they can hope to be promoted out of their crummy job (which I calculate has literally only about a 2% chance of happening and even then there is no guarantee you will succeed after you are promoted). Don’t buy their crap about fabulous wealth some day. It is very unlikely because it is an extremely difficult business to succeed in. My boss was rather wealthy (as far as I could tell but then again Ed is a very dishonest man), but he did not seem like a happy person. He seemed like another person chasing money, but winds up lonely with little free time. So stay away from this company. Get a good education and a job where you aren’t a slimy salesman. At least get a job where you can be an honest saleperson that gets a salary and benefits.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 02/11/2011 04:38 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Veritas-Inc/Atlanta-Georgia-30327/Veritas-Inc-Veritas-Atlanta-GA-Stay-Away-from-Veritas-Inc-Marketing-Company-Atlanta-694293. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Truth behind the parent company.....

AUTHOR: Its True - ()

Rebby Sutherland:
• Has paid for 2 abortions in her offices (Could be more now)
• Slept with Jimmy Rothermel, Ken Lear, Ed Cunliffe, over 10 of her own employees, etc…
• Cydcor had to pay her bills, help her out because she couldn’t cut it in NYC
• Told everyone that Kirk Bevington is an alcoholic.
• Cocaine addicted
• Jeremy Roubelet (Minnesota kid) won consistency manager of the year in 2012??? He had to get a loan from John Wiggins. Does this sound fair???
• Europe?? WHEN THE *** are they going to Europe?? Also, they already HAVE b2b offices there.
• When I started, Cydcor had under 300 offices. Its 2013, they still have under 300 offices. Is there any more growth??
• “Get to 100 offices” – who has over 100?? John and Brandie. WOW, impressive. 100% not impressive.
• The $3 million pot - the purpose is to keep offices around for a big pay day. It’s to help offices stay open since Cydcor isn’t growing
• Cydcor – Canada. You guys get the shaft and it’s not fair. Jim Majeski was asked “why doesn’t Canada Promoting Owner get a car” Jims response: if they were relevant they could
• Jim and Gary were never in the field, never knew how important this way. They look at it as a business and people like stock. They don’t care about you and anyone besides their profit. If they did, owners and reps would make more.
• Retail will never work, Smart Circle will always be #1 in this space and Cydcor is wasting their time. Why are you still doing this???
• Where are the clients??? They have had the same clients for 7, 8, 9, 10 years……
• How many more owners can you CRAM in a small market due to lack of clients and lack of larger cities?
• Why are clients using the smaller vendors and why is Cydcor losing market share?? Because Cydcor isn’t the best anymore and Cydcor has bullied people around for too long.
• I have seen vendors open countries with a flick of a wrist, why hasn’t Cydcor?? No money?? No Clients?? No confidence?? No game?? Scared??
• Why does Jaime Hepp have MORE MONEY than any consultant??


Sexual misconduct:
• Brandie and John Wiggins slept together back in the day (obviously)
• Jim and Vera have had a divorce
• Shaine Thurman cheated on his wife in Vegas
• Ed Cunliffe cheated on his wife Vegas (massage parlor)
• Pedro Segura cheated on his wife with one of my old owners
• Wiggins, too many to list

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Veritas Inc. is part of a larger corporate cult system

AUTHOR: The Real Truth - (United States of America)

Here is a more succint way of describing Veritas Inc. and many other of these "marketing" firms:

Posted by CL Scam Buster (the comments in parentheses are my own)

Here is the truth about the 'business' as they call it:

1) It's 100% Commission at EVERY level. Even managers, consultants, and organizational consultants get paid based on what the Corporate Trainers and Account Executives below them make.

(2) The business isn't 'experiencing rapid growth' or 'always expanding'. For every new office that opens up, another goes under. For every market that opens up, another becomes over-saturated. The 'business' can only sustain so many managers and so many organizational consultants.

(3) As long as you are in the 'business' you will be working 12 hour days, plus Saturdays.(some don't work Saturdays) It's that simple. You will be going door-to-door, sweating in the summer, freezing in the winter to scam an extra $12 off of an old lady who really doesn't need Unlimited Long Distance.

(4) You will put your own ethics into question. When the choice is between ripping someone off or not paying your rent, you will rip someone off. Trust me. That said, you are NEVER decreasing someone's bill (occasionally you will). Anything you sell for the AT&T Campaign that I was on required adding additional charges to someones bill and convincing them that you were lowering it.

(5) If you are in the business, you will not look for another job. It's engineered so that when you go home at night, you have time to do the essentials and go to bed. That's it. I was lucky enough to have knocked on someone's door who had been through the DS-Max system before and he offered me a better job.

(6) You will knock on doors in the worst parts of town. My friend had his car broken into. I have walked up and down the streets of the worst ghettos in Atlanta. Residents of these 'burbs have straight up told me that I was extremely lucky to still be walking and knocking.The Cydcor 'dream' is filled with countless stories of deception, isolation, prison, divorce, and bankruptcy.Xtreme Promotions isn't the only Cydcor/DS Max affiliate operating in Atlanta. I know of a few others, along with the names of their managers:

Wentworth Marketing (now Veritas inc.), Ed Cunliffe
Xtreme Promotions, Bruno Alvim
FC Wetz Interactive, Sarah Spears
KSL Concepts, Ken Lear
Global Marketing Solutions, Daniel Kim
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Veritas Inc. Buckhead Atlanta GA ads

AUTHOR: The Real Truth - (United States of America)

Here are some specific examples of ads and I will interpret them for you:

"Veritas, Inc. officially cut the red tape at the end of 2010 in Buckhead!  We are one of AT&T‘s top Solution Providers in the Southeast.  AT&T contracts with us to handle their promotional sales campaigns in the Atlanta area.  Veritas’ primary responsibility is to increase AT&T’s market share, customer acquisition and customer retention. Due to our success and unprecedented growth, we’ve opened up a few positions in our sales and marketing department.  We are looking to fill a position for anEntry Level Sales and Marketing Representative. This person must have a positive and enthusiastic demeanor and work well in a strong team environment.  This job involves one on one sales interaction with customers."

Okay, so most of all of this is nonsense. The red tape part is completely meaningless.  It is just to make them sound busy and accomplished.

They do handled AT&T contracts. That is true. However, they grossly mislead. In reality, you will be a door to sales man who goes around Atlanta and GA unannounced to make sales pitches to small businesses. Don't buy into their important sounding terms liike "marketing department" and "market representative".

Success and growth? Again, it is a bunch of nonsense. The company, owned by Ed Cunliffe, needs a lot of salespeople. They are constantly hiring. Why? Because they don't last long. An extremely high turnover rate doesn't exactly scream success.

"What Veritas, Inc. offers:

Extensive training in all areas of sales, marketing, and management"  The training is not extensive. You will go around Atlanta with another employee learning their mantras and sales pitches for a week or two.

"Advancement is based on promotion/merit." This is closest part to be true. It is based on how much you sell door to door. However, your chances of being promoted to management are very slim, which is why even great salespeople get sick of it and quit after a short while.

"This position offers a compensation structure where pay is based upon individual performance" You will be paid on pure commission with no benefits and you will pay for your own gas, which won't be cheap as you will be driving a lot.

"Development in leadership and communication skills"  You will be taught their cult like mantras and sales techniques. Any variation will not be tolerated.  There is not much thought involved, just repeating phrases.

"Paid training"  They may give you a small $50 stipend your first day. The rest is straight commission.

"Positive work environment" There is a lot of chanting and plastered on smiles to get people to be as positive as possible for they won't quit from being tired of making sales pitches door to door mostly to people who don't want sales pitches in a terrible economy.

"What Veritas, Inc. is looking for in an individual:"  Internally motivated" - because you have to sell, sell, sell

"Desire to develop oneself" - no, just a desire regurgitate their mantras and phrases 

"Success-driven Communication (written and verbal) skills" - pehaps, but in practice you probably need to be a bit slimy and try to hide info they clients may not want (like 3 year contracts)

"No-excuses mentality" Do not question anything that organization does or anything the salepeople do. Do not question their cult business. These are "excuses" 
"This is a FULL-TIME, ENTRY-LEVEL position"- Yes - 8 to 7 Monday to Friday during training. Then it will be 7 to 7 Monday to Friday. So about 60 hours a week, most which making sales pitches door to door.

 

Also, don't believe the Veritas Inc. website when they suggest they are charitable. They are not. They are a bunch of yuppies. They want money and lots of it. As I said in my original post, I believe Ed Cunliffe changed the name from "Wentworth Marketing" to "Veritas Inc." TI believe that is because they had built a bad reputation. If you google "Wenworth Marketing" you will be get a bunch of post from people calling it a scam and exposing their cult business. "Veritas Inc." is a lot better. They are several businesses with that name and finding posts that expose this company are harder to find. There it is aim to provide a public service to those who are desperate to get a job in this atrocious economy by exposing Veritas Inc in Atlanta, GA. So please don't waste your time on interviews (which actually have you driving around with a salesman all day) and go to school. Get an education! Remember! Those with bachelor degrees still only have a 5% unemployment rate. If you have a masters it is even lower. Say no to Veritas Inc., a marketing cult, in Atlanta, GA and say yes to ethics and education.

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