• Report: #637986

Complaint Review: vip mafia, john deckys, matt pillmore

  • Submitted: Sun, September 05, 2010
  • Updated: Tue, August 30, 2011

  • Reported By: jerry — longmont Colorado United States of America
vip mafia, john deckys, matt pillmore
www.vipmafia.com westminister, Colorado United States of America

vip mafia, john deckys, matt pillmore Vip mafia, john deckys, matt pillmore are crooks westminister , Colorado

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Judge the information for yourself. . .

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Nearly 9 Months Later. . .

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: 1 Month Update

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Not exactly the way one plans to spend a birthday...

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These guys are Ex-real Talk empolyees they ripped me off when I was with real talk and now there doing it again stay as far away from them as possible.  John Deckys is the ex president of real talk.  Matt Pillmore is the ex coaches trainer.  They sucked at real talk and they are stealing from consumers they are liars and cheats.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Judge the information for yourself. . .

AUTHOR: Mp - (U.S.A.)

It's been over 1 year now and unfortunately we've received no contact from our response to this post. 

I'd like nothing more than to help hold Jerry accountable to a more effective plan, although it doesn't appear I'll get that chance.

I can at least help other readers see the education we provide consumers and small business owners. After all, you do have a right to form your own opinion.  You can do so absolutely free and with no sales pitch. 

Simply visit www.DebtWeapon.com to register.  Let me know what you think!

Matthew Pillmore
720-435-8791 - Direct
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Nearly 9 Months Later. . .

AUTHOR: Mp - (U.S.A.)

I'm here to update readers that Jerry has not yet taken us up on our offer to mitigate his previous experience with RTN and Dave Burke.  There is no way to help him overcome his financial hardship without the opportunity to design a plan and help him maximize his potential.  I will add to this forum should circumstances change and he take advantage of our proposal. 
 
In spite of Jerry's experience with Real Talk, VIP is very proud of our flawless reputation and ability to deliver incredible results to the Students who honor their commitment to the process.  We welcome any and all questions about our system.

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

1 Month Update

AUTHOR: Mp - (U.S.A.)

Jerry I personally monitor and take significant pride in our company's reputation. With that being said I have concerns about submitting a rebuttal over 4 weeks ago and have yet to hear from you. I feel great empathy for your dissatisfaction with Dave Burke and the Real Talk Network. We are proud of our ability to exceed expectations and chose to emancipate our company after only 6 months because of the obvious difference in priorities. We would love the opportunity to demonstrate exactly why we're considered the best in the industry. We continue to welcome your call, Jerry, and would be willing to provide you 7 coaching sessions free of charge just for the chance to demonstrate there is a better way to manage your budget than the rules the banks want you to follow. We look forward to your call. Please dial 866-969-2738 and ask for me, Matthew Pillmore. I am glad to put our expertise behind you and your goals.

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Not exactly the way one plans to spend a birthday...

AUTHOR: Mp - (U.S.A.)

....but it's OK, I appreciate that Jerry took the time to share something that was obviously very painful to him.  I also appreciate the opportunity to add my perspective in hopes that those who read this have all the details.  In a nutshell, VIP had a tightly aligned affiliation with RTN for about 6 months until we realized that the Founder of Real Talk, Dave Burke, was more concerned with sales than fulfilling on the services. Once we saw people like Jerry getting hurt VIP immediately terminated it's affiliation with Real Talk and tried to shut him down.  We went to the attorney general, consumer advocates, the DA, the IRS and even filed under the whistle blower statute, all at a significant personal and financial cost.  We were so aggressive trying to stop Dave that Real Talk even sued us to try and shut us up.  Unfortunately anytime you try to do good business with bad people you will fail and it will inevitably remain as an ugly chapter in one's book.  Considering it's been over a year and a half since VIP was involved with RTN, Jerry's story shows the damage that guilt by association can have to one's reputation and it will likely take even more time before VIP's reputation is wholly restored. 

With that being said, VIP has now been independent of Real Talk for a long time and in nearly 10 years of business has received NOT ONE complaint from a client.  We are very proud of this achievement.  Should Jerry ever get as far as to become a client of our firm he would quickly see the vast difference between how we choose to do business and how Dave Burke chose to do business. We have an unblemished record with the BBB which alone demonstrates the obvious differences between the companies.  We have also dedicated nearly $50K fighting against Real Talk and coaching previous RTN clients.  I welcome Jerry's call as we would be proud to show him what quality financial coaching is suppose to look like.  Unfortunately his expectations could never be met in an environment like Real Talk because Dave Burke was proven to be a liar and he, like thousands of other RTN victims, was deceptively sold.  Once we became aware of the deceptive sales practice we immediately left the company. 
Even with that being true, the methodologies VIP teach and the values VIP hold are undeniably real.  We would love to take credit for inventing the math behind the techniques we teach, but we can't. We simply hold people accountable to the process necessary to allow the math to work.  Over time the results of the process are staggering.  It is clear that Jerry has not taken the time to study the subject in depth or he would realize that as well.  We are always here to help should Jerry or anyone else want a free education on the process.  Jerry, if you see this message please reach out to me directly and we'll get you on the right path.  720-435-8791.  Thank you for taking the time to read, we wish you abundance.

-Matthew Pillmore 


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