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Complaint Review: White Lion Tae Kwon Do

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  • Submitted: Sun, June 15, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, March 28, 2012

  • Reported By:Anywhere Michigan
White Lion Tae Kwon Do
Howland Deltona, Florida U.S.A.

White Lion Tae Kwon Do Illegal Action Deltona Florida

*Consumer Comment: Background Checks

*Consumer Comment: are YOU serious?

*Consumer Comment: Background checks for Black Belts????

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Completely false untrueallegations

*UPDATE Employee: Office Manager

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Actually... I don't understand how you can get away with your students obtaining their Black Belts without background check because according to Florida State Statutes AND all the major Taekwondo Associations Regulations (WTF, ITA, ITF, ATA, USTA, etc.) you must report each and every potential Black Belt to the local police station as obtaining a Black Belt and in order for the local police station to accept such a report and allow a Black Belt to be earned they must be free of sexual offenses and felony offenses of ANY other circumstance. So obviously, this school is breaking the law... I once knew someone (YEARS AGO) he attended White Lion Taekwondo and he still, to this day, has a copy of the police report (filing with police station) signed by Mr. Mattielo and the police official... for some reason, this was obviously ceased and illegal up to 5 years for each offense for the school owner.

Anonymous
Anywhere, Michigan
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/15/2008 11:40 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/White-Lion-Tae-Kwon-Do/Deltona-Florida-32738/White-Lion-Tae-Kwon-Do-Illegal-Action-Deltona-Florida-340429. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Background Checks

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

While doing background checks on your employees are important, they are not mandatory.  Yes we live in an age where there are sickos everywhere, but let's not be paranoid about every aspect of our lives. 

I am a Martial Arts School owner in New Jersey, I hold multiple Black Belts, and I've never had to report my self to the police department.  My black belts are all certified through the World Tae Kwon Do Federation, the same federation that governs the TKD olympic games.  and they don't require a criminal background check.    You have to remember that beginning a Martial Arts journey is about discovering yourself.  Learning respect, humility, perserverence, etc...  Just because you sign your children up, doesn't mean that they are the only ones on this journey.  The Parents need to follow the path and set the example at home as well.  Sometimes you just need to trust that the Instructors know what they're doing.  Hope this helps! 



Mike Castro

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#2 Consumer Comment

are YOU serious?

AUTHOR: KNB - (United States of America)

First, if your child is only nine... that means that in less than 4 years they received a black belt. Thats ridiculous. Of course the police station shouldn't have to add children to their data base.

BUT... when you have grown men teaching other children (because as a black belt, the school usually requests that you teach when you earn your black belt) you should have a background check. 
White Lion does not do background checks and a few years ago they even had a blackbelt teacher who was on the dateline show "How to catch a predator"
I know that if I'm going to trust a school with my child THERE BETTER NOT BE ANY PEDOPHILES THERE!!!

Not to mention that white lion breaks all kinds of rules. They are mainly a daycare who keeps the kids in uniform all day so they dont have to follow real daycare laws. 

My child went there for 6 weeks a few years ago and it was such a disappointment that i chose a more expensive school to teach him. The last straw was when I went to go pick him up and there were no teachers there. There was a truck driver looking guy sitting at the front desk reading a magazine with his back to the surveillance monitor. When I went to go get my child they were all jumping around like animals with no adult supervision. This man didnt even ask me who I was and just let me take my child out. That was it for me..... they are not a real school, they dont follow rules and they are a poor excuse for a day care! 

 
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#3 Consumer Comment

Background checks for Black Belts????

AUTHOR: Andy - (U.S.A.)

Are you serious?

My 9 and 12 year old sons earned blackbelts, as well as many children around the same age. You think each one would need a background check and report to police?

Could you imagine the paperwork involved, as well as the size of the database? It would exceed the Federal No Fly List.

Besides what would be the point? To document a dangerous person earning a blackbelt?

Who would decide if a person is too dangerous? Based on what would they make such a determination? How would they utilize such a list?

This doesn't sound right to me at all.
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Completely false untrueallegations

AUTHOR: Mr. Chuck - (U.S.A.)

These allegations are completely untrue. As you can see the person who made these statemens did not sign their name or where they are from. A TRUE SIGN OF A COWARD. If you are going to make any such statements SHOW PROOF. PROUD OF MY SCHOOL AND MY STUDENTS....

MASTER MATTIELLO
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#5 UPDATE Employee

Office Manager

AUTHOR: Mr. Chuck - (U.S.A.)

First, I would like to apologize for the misinformation provided in the above complaint.

Second, my son Brandon has been going to White Lion TaeKwanDo for nine years and I have seen Master Mattiello bend over backwards to accomodate many families in need. Those families that come in and actually talk face to face and try to work out a solution have always been resolved.

Third, a person can call any police station in the continental US and ask if Black Belts are supposed to be reported. We actully have police officers and detectives work out at the school. Therefore, unless names can be provided which can be verified please read with an open mind as to the needs of the individual who wrote the complaint.

Fourth, any parent or student that has any concerns can either call or contact Mr. Chuck or Master Mattiello. Again, we apologize for any misinformation that has been provided.

Mr. Chuck
Office Manager
White Lion TaeKwonDo
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