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Report: Primerica – Ripoff Report Investigation – Primerica Always Makes Things Right.

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Primerica Financial Services - Research of its financial products and Business Opportunity, Primerica shows total commitment to resolve all issues and misunderstandings, committed to serving clients & agents Rip-off Report investigates and finds most of what is posted is ridiculous like this title, Primerica Financial Services - Traveler's Insurance, chanting Amen, perhaps comparing Primerica to a cult *UPDATE: Rip-off Report Investigation examines the Company and its record of service to consumers and representatives

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Submitted: 12/28/2001 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 12/30/2006 6:04:09 PM
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Danielle

San Diego, CA

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Rip-Off Report Investigative Progress Report on Primerica Financial Services – 10-16-08

*UPDATE: Rip-off Report re-evaluated Primerica Financial Services and finds that the company continues to offer a business opportunity that is well worth considering. Thru our experience with Primerica, we continue to find that they maintain a high level of commitment to treating consumers fairly and in most cases they have gone way beyond the call of good customer service. Since Primerica became a member of the Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program almost 2 years ago, Rip-off Report has continued to monitor Primerica and work closely with home office executives to resolve consumer and agent inquiries and concerns. Rip-off Report is pleased to report that Primerica continues to show outstanding commitment and dedication to respond and resolve issues promptly, many times going over and above the expectations of consumers and this website. To our knowledge Primerica has responded to all legitimate inquiries we have forwarded to them, and to inquiries the company has received directly. We at Rip-off Report believe that Primerica is a solid, reliable company that stands behind their agents and its products. If you think that becoming a Primerica representative or buying a Primerica product is right for you, we would urge you to give the company careful consideration.

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PRIMERICA INVESTIGATED
EDitor's Comment: Rip-off Report Investigation: Primerica gets a POSITIVE RATING in customer support from Rip-off Report and is fulfilling its commitment to provide excellent customer service. Primerica pledges to resolve complaints and address representative issues. For a long time this EDitor had concerns about Primerica because of the number of Reports about them. For many months Rip-off Report was looking into the company, even before they contacted us to resolve any issues and mostly misunderstandings being posted by competitors. With over 100,000 representatives and 6 million clients, Primerica is bound to be the subject of a certain number of complaints about improper agent conduct, as well as product and administrative complaints.

Rip-Off's investigation found such complaints, but importantly also found that Primerica is committed to resolving such complaints quickly and doing everything possible to satisfy its clients. It also takes appropriate action against any of its representatives who are found to have conducted themselves improperly or unethically. We believe that the number of complaints against this company, whether through the Internet or other channels, is small when put into the context of its enormous size. Most big companies would never commit themselves like Primerica has. Read our investigative Report and Primerica's commitment to 100% consumer satisfaction.


www.primerica.com provides products and services through independent representatives. Primerica www.primerica.com has more than 100,000 licensed representatives who serve more than 6 million clients in the U.S., Canada, Puerto Rico, Spain and the United Kingdom. Through a Financial Needs Analysis www.primericafna.com, the company's representatives provide a snapshot of a family's financial picture and suggest a strategy for financial security via Primerica's products and services www.primericafinancialsolutions.com. Primerica's business opportunity is attractive to people from many different backgrounds, including women www.womeninprimerica.com, African-Americans www.primericaaalc.com, Hispanics www.primericalatino.com and young adults www.generationprimerica.com.





I recently received a call from a recruiter representing Primerica. However, my caller ID indicated it was Larry's computers.

Further inquiry revealed he was calling from another business line. When asked where he obtained my resume, it was a legitimate site.

I set up an interview, 45 minutes of my time is worth gathering information. The interview had nothing to do with my skills as an Instructional Designer, Consultant so I asked where he saw me fitting into the company.

'As a manager' was the response.' I asked who were the company's competitors and was told none. I was invited back for a second interview the following night.

Now the red flags were going up. I checked the Web site for Primerica which was very comphrehensive. I gave Larry the benefit of the doubt and thought that most people in a current job could not take time off 2 days in a row; therefore, the night meeting.


This interview was actually an orientation meeting. A few of us asked direct questions but were given vague answers by the trainer.

But, the discussions were about how to help people get out of debt. Reputable sources and articles were presented the CEO and the office we were in was that of a Regional director.

So far,so good. Then Larry takes me aside and asks me to fill out information about myself...background, education, etc. When it came to references and I said I would have to fill that in later due to the fact that I did not have my address book with me, he said that I should think of as many people as I can for refernces. It asked for 6 which struck me odd since most ask for 3.

I was invited to a training meeting on Saturday. Still not ready to pass negative judgement, I went. Now, all the flags were going up and waving in my head.

We watched a video of 2 top Primerica entrepeuners. When I started to hear 'Amen' and 'Yes' chanted in the background of both the video and from the people in the room with me, I felt as if I was in a cult.


After the video, I asked Larry if this organization had any similar qualities to Amway. 'Oh NO, we help people.' When I stated what I got out of the meeting and video was the recruiting of people and nothing about helping people get out debt, he clammed up and his brother jumped in with a very clear explanation.

Yes, Primerica helps people with financial services but the bottom line is You recruit people and they recruit people, etc. and that is how you make your money. I continued to ask questions and the answers were vague and come to more meetings.

Although this is not a true Pyramid set up since there is no money passing hands, it has the foundation of one. People substitute the money issue. It doesn't matter what Primerica is providing or not selling (as is the case of Amway), the product has nothing to do with the way it operates.

The recruits I met had little or no college education, and came from a variety of backgrounds. I have no prejudice with working with a mixed variety of people, but I also work a job where higher salaries are based on education and experience.

I have a Master's degree and felt as if I would start from zero with this company. I do not want more training for an entirely new career.

Plus, when I started questioning the integrity of the company or the people who represent it, and my answers were vague, I knew it was not for me. Perhaps comparing Primerica to a cult is unfair, but when chanting 'Amen' after statements made by a presenter are heard, and this is not church, I think one should examine the company more closely. For some, Primerica may be their 'thing'.

Danielle

San Diego, California

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  • ..because you have a college education that your better then me? [12/29/2001 12:00:00 AM]
  • TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR DOES? [12/31/2001 12:00:00 AM]
  • No Ripoff Report posted has accused Primerica of racism. [1/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Response to College Education, Take a look, and Racism [1/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Obviously, you weren't having any luck with anything else [1/2/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • DOESN'T MCDONALDS FOCUS ON HIRING A TEAM AND MARKETING [1/3/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • ..your ridiculous McDonalds analogy [1/4/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • I just received the same recruiting call. [1/16/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • I will site all lawsuits in my major report for all of you naysayers. [1/17/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Another problem i have with primerica is that citigroup, its parent is chiefly recognised as a bank, or financial institution. [1/18/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Recently contacted ..I would like to thank the person who started this site Paul [2/11/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • The root cause of all evil at Primerica Justus [2/12/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Primerica's true value *EDitor's Comment. Owner of what? .. more drivel Kent [2/13/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • I had an ironically similar interview as the original complaint. Teri [2/16/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • I was contacted as well.... John [2/20/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Work on your HR skills, please Sakura [2/27/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Good Points and Not so Good Points of Primerica Steve [3/6/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Meeting set up Tomorrow - Not After reading Reports Karen [3/7/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • primerica is a mlm scam and the people that are involved with them are brain washed and to stupid to relieze this Russell [3/8/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • My PFS experience Lonnie [3/10/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Primerica: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Sonja [3/18/2002 12:00:00 AM]
  • Primerica is NOT For everyone....... Lloyd [4/14/2002 10:16:04 PM]
  • preaching your faith C [4/21/2002 6:06:55 AM]
  • God and my money Andrew [4/25/2002 11:26:08 AM]
  • primerica - they own YOU zeboolen [8/31/2002 9:27:41 PM]
  • poor Lonnie ...More drivel below L [10/23/2002 11:04:05 PM]
  • EDitor's Comment to the Above Mindless Rant: [10/24/2002 1:28:54 AM]
  • THIS DAMON SALESMAN IS THE DIRTIEST George [10/24/2002 9:05:57 PM]
  • Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy Jeff [10/30/2002 2:42:53 AM]
  • Complaints vs Compliments DJ [10/31/2002 4:12:15 PM]
  • Look before you leap into Pittsburg! Don [12/9/2002 1:51:29 PM]
  • DJ I hope that you are proud Laurence [12/11/2002 12:32:20 AM]
  • Disgusting tactics to recruit myself, family, and friends I M [12/15/2002 9:36:43 PM]
  • If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is Sarah [1/8/2003 11:20:35 AM]
  • Primerica is a SCAM No matter what anyone says Christopher [2/21/2003 1:10:43 PM]
  • The Original Writer of this report is 100% right!!!!! Way to go!!! Rose [2/26/2003 4:47:17 PM]
  • I too heard the amens Janna [2/26/2003 11:45:11 PM]
  • Primerica-a few simple points Harry [2/27/2003 1:19:53 PM]
  • same bs interview Brock [2/27/2003 5:56:33 PM]
  • Primerica- a balanced view Darrick [2/27/2003 11:07:01 PM]
  • Wrong ..ridiculous, subversive loan tactics used by the company Hank [2/28/2003 4:42:17 AM]
  • Think what you will Tim [3/3/2003 9:37:48 AM]
  • Desperate Recruiting at College Career Fair Richard [3/7/2003 7:07:12 PM]
  • Beware of Primerica, I was recruited by a close family friend who had been recently brain-washed by the Primerica format for such. John [3/9/2003 1:42:32 PM]
  • Does this at all really matter Garrett [3/9/2003 10:33:58 PM]
  • Primerica Answers ..I would like to apologize for any of our representatives that have given any of you false or misleading information about Primerica Financial Services. Brian [3/11/2003 1:58:31 AM]
  • Not a Pyramid? What else do you call it? Al [3/11/2003 7:18:47 AM]
  • !!The Real Scoop!! on Jobs, and the Primerica Concept A. [3/11/2003 3:33:52 PM]
  • Primerica products are NOT priced competitively. GP [3/13/2003 2:51:53 PM]
  • Primerica doesn't require an investment in its product by the new recruits, and thus avoids liability as a pyramid scheme. Tim [3/27/2003 8:31:39 PM]
  • Check All Sources of Information and then Make Your Decision! Moraine [4/8/2003 2:08:59 PM]
  • Primerica: Misleading, lies, the employee experience, and the Primerica convention Chris [4/19/2003 7:51:18 AM]
  • MY experience with Primerica--Hard work, few successes, ..the truth of the matter is that you basically would have to turn into a major harasser to your family and friends in order to recruit enough people for you even to make any type of money. Alex [4/20/2003 2:51:14 AM]
  • My in depth experience with Primerica as an 'almost' employee Luke [5/13/2003 2:44:33 AM]
  • Primerica is a joke Kim [5/13/2003 4:32:19 PM]
  • References list? Steven [6/4/2003 3:33:08 PM]
  • Doesn't a cold call for an interview set off a red flag? ..thankful for web sites such as this Michael [6/8/2003 7:47:59 AM]
  • Primerica from the inside: what it's really like Nick [6/15/2003 11:55:28 AM]
  • Pumping America Robert [6/17/2003 4:00:45 PM]
  • Bunch of ripoff artists!! Donnie [6/24/2003 10:16:43 PM]
  • Thanks for the reports!! June [6/25/2003 3:19:38 PM]
  • LIVE AND LEARN DAVID [6/26/2003 6:37:46 PM]
  • primerica is a rip off.. Dore [6/27/2003 4:58:57 AM]
  • A Scam or Just a Different Way of Doing Business? Bonnie [7/14/2003 9:05:12 PM]
  • Scams Here, Scams There Joe [7/15/2003 9:21:37 AM]
  • To All Cry Babies David [7/15/2003 11:10:46 PM]
  • Well Acquainted ..The basis of this business is multi-level marketing Stuart [7/18/2003 9:51:44 AM]
  • Primerica Rips Consumers and Reps Samuel [7/20/2003 11:37:41 PM]
  • Happened to stumble on these postings, and did a little research; this appears to be a scam Jd [8/2/2003 8:54:45 AM]
  • Your information will be wrong Jason [8/3/2003 6:05:42 AM]
  • Primerica is STILL a ripoff 15 years later! Catherine [8/13/2003 9:12:42 AM]
  • Stop before you get started with Primerica ..not an interview, but rather an orientation of propaganda Kevin [9/16/2003 8:58:45 PM]
  • My Experience Angel [10/7/2003 5:16:18 PM]
  • A suggestion for those contacted by PFS Ryan [10/22/2003 12:08:17 PM]
  • Employee of parent company Citigroup Karen [10/25/2003 1:31:50 AM]
  • The lowdown on PFS, company in itself isn't a scam, it's the agents within the organization that makes it that way. Daniel [3/16/2004 5:40:56 PM]
  • They Helped My Parents Already in Retirement Mark [4/19/2004 3:35:03 AM]
  • The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly J. [5/12/2004 6:16:28 PM]
  • Nieghbor Almost Sucked In, PFS was definitely not the place James [6/22/2004 9:07:21 AM]
  • Thank you everyone...Almost made a HUGE mistake John [6/22/2004 11:27:53 PM]
  • Primerica is a terrible company Fred [6/29/2004 1:08:07 AM]
  • The owners of primerica seem to be very defensive Adam [7/6/2004 7:55:51 AM]
  • Primerica - Monster.com scam Sally [7/14/2004 12:16:01 PM]
  • RipOff Report saved me, thank you! Jay S. [7/15/2004 12:17:07 PM]
  • No Acknowledgment ?? ..Primerica isn't going anywhere, GET OVER IT....take a look at other company's... Genelle [7/16/2004 4:50:48 PM]
  • Good and Bad in Everything - The Human Nature Factor Mark [7/17/2004 8:56:33 AM]
  • Is this a fraud? What can I do to get my full $199 refund? Napa [7/20/2004 6:53:46 PM]
  • Refund of $199 in Wisconsin Justus [7/21/2004 5:10:41 AM]
  • One posssible way they get your resume... Monster.com /scams online? William [7/21/2004 10:11:55 AM]
  • Thanks ffor the Warnings and Flags! Steve [7/22/2004 8:45:24 AM]
  • And if you bought a policy Jim [7/23/2004 12:53:22 PM]
  • HELP ME GO TO SCHOOL ARTHUR EMMANUEL [7/30/2004 10:20:47 AM]
  • If Primerica has the heart (and the balls) to help with compassion, I might think differently Bill [7/31/2004 1:10:17 PM]
  • You Say By Consumers For Consumers. Lee [8/2/2004 12:22:07 PM]
  • 'By Consumers For Consumers' is Correct, Lee in Boyce, TX. Paula [8/3/2004 12:34:36 PM]
  • Primerica Follow Up Call ... They Won't Give Up. Steven [8/4/2004 4:11:18 PM]
  • An attempt at a 'Balanced Insider Response' Dan [8/5/2004 1:45:17 PM]
  • My Primerica Experience Kelly [8/5/2004 10:26:02 PM]
  • Sort it out for yourself. Jim [8/6/2004 4:56:57 AM]
  • Still working at local burger joint Eric [8/19/2004 3:48:40 PM]
  • Reponse to 'My Experience' Wendy [8/20/2004 12:07:16 PM]
  • Can someone define the Christian Principles? Jim [8/21/2004 6:12:55 AM]
  • Wendy from Kansas is full of hot air Stuart [8/22/2004 5:47:49 AM]
  • The true problem Jason [8/22/2004 8:51:11 PM]
  • To Recruit or not to Recruit.? Maroun [8/23/2004 3:42:01 AM]
  • Stuart - North Brunswick, New Jersey's Unawareness about the world around him GreyWeulf [8/23/2004 5:22:31 AM]
  • HomeTown Clergy Declined Clergy [8/23/2004 5:36:55 AM]
  • I wasn't declined, read my report MD Clergy Jim [8/24/2004 6:18:25 AM]
  • this place is what the majority of people here say it is Kenneth [8/24/2004 10:21:12 AM]
  • Thanks to this site I have decided to not even get involved in this scam Mike [8/24/2004 7:51:27 PM]
  • One of the representitives tried targeting me in church! Ruth [8/25/2004 10:17:45 AM]
  • sheep? Rich [8/26/2004 12:58:43 AM]
  • Sheep? - Who Are the Sheep? - ??? Steve [8/27/2004 5:36:42 AM]
  • Solid, Productive Response to Criticism Dan [8/27/2004 2:34:45 PM]
  • Dan, Dan, Dan! A.S [8/30/2004 7:04:21 AM]
  • Dan doesn't understand math, doubt that Primerica is the reason you saved interest on your mortgage A.S [8/30/2004 7:06:24 AM]
  • Call it 'Ball Park' Math Dan [8/31/2004 1:48:05 AM]
  • COMMONLY USED FALSE, MISLEADING, AND DECEPTIVE BUSINESS PRACTICE INDUCEMENTS ORCHESTRATED TO CONSUMERS BY THE PRIMERICA SALES DIVISION Ruth [8/31/2004 12:15:22 PM]
  • HOW PRIMERICA EXPLOITS PEOPLE! ..happy to debate any of you Primerica hotshots that want to take me on! Peter [8/31/2004 7:04:58 PM]
  • Ruth from Bedford, OH sounds high on cocaine... Ruth [8/31/2004 7:18:18 PM]
  • Let's see your numbers, I will even help you with TVM if you need it. Jeff [9/1/2004 4:19:26 AM]
  • Dan! A.S [9/1/2004 9:25:35 AM]
  • Dan Bartlett IL is totally ignorant Dan [9/1/2004 10:27:17 AM]
  • Open to Advice; Not receptive to Name Calling Dan [9/2/2004 8:48:41 AM]
  • Ruth from Washington - Where the Hell Did You Come From? You probably work for Primerica, and you're upset because I'm exposing the truth about this crappy company. Ruth [9/2/2004 10:01:02 AM]
  • Here are my suggestions Jeff [9/3/2004 1:26:34 AM]
  • I believe I am a victim of Primerica ..brought in my friends to be recruited, I felt like the presenters were pressuring my friends into the program Nathaniel Thomas [9/3/2004 10:10:12 PM]
  • For people like Dan , hope I can save other people the crow that Dan will eat when he finds out he could have done the same thing with better results at just about any lender Jason [9/4/2004 9:00:33 PM]
  • Many analogies and opinions Mike [9/8/2004 2:02:56 PM]
  • Mike in Chino, you still haven't gotten past the MLM mindset. Paula [9/8/2004 11:00:57 PM]
  • The big picture (response to Mike from Chino and his kind) Stuart [9/10/2004 4:22:50 AM]
  • recruited my son said that it reminded him of a cult Danielle [9/11/2004 10:15:39 AM]
  • PRIMERICA GOES WAY BEYOND OVER PRICED! Peter [9/13/2004 9:54:25 PM]
  • Please Read Take a look at your intentions if you want to get rich quick you will fail Eric [9/13/2004 10:29:35 PM]
  • Rebuttal to Eric (Irvine) Stuart [9/14/2004 4:30:54 PM]
  • how do you suppose they do this legally? How are they in the Dow Jones 30? Genelle [9/15/2004 12:01:09 PM]
  • Response to Genelle, Keep in mind that Primerica sells a piece of garbage which barely makes it legal to stay in business as defined under the law. Stuart [9/16/2004 4:26:12 AM]
  • Primerica equals Freedom Phillip [9/18/2004 8:18:51 PM]
  • Blatant Lies of Phillip Stuart [9/19/2004 6:01:41 AM]
  • Primerica IS Al Williams. ..to set the record straight you are not financial analysts. You are salepeople. David [9/19/2004 7:26:14 PM]
  • Buyer Beware! Don't be taken by hype and excitement. Don [9/20/2004 7:13:33 AM]
  • Rebutting Don, Primerica is a slave company with no opportunity Stuart [9/21/2004 2:59:42 AM]
  • Response to some of Stuart's responses Don [9/21/2004 8:50:21 AM]
  • Don, You are once again WRONG! Justu [9/21/2004 9:04:43 AM]
  • Something To Think Of Ryan [9/21/2004 2:30:01 PM]
  • i want the time i spent back in my life A Smart Person [9/22/2004 1:20:08 AM]
  • Coming soon to the Tampa Bay Market!!! Beware! Annonymous12 [9/22/2004 11:49:05 AM]
  • Thx for saving me time! Jack [9/28/2004 12:33:45 PM]
  • Coming To Tampa? Don't mean to burst any bubbles, but the big P has been in tampa for about 10 years. Dayton [9/29/2004 1:24:04 PM]
  • Response to Dayton Stuart [9/29/2004 9:33:52 PM]
  • Re; Response to Dayton Dayton [9/30/2004 6:39:00 AM]
  • Response to Stuart Ryan [9/30/2004 8:58:22 AM]
  • I also got contacted by Primerica. Gerald [9/30/2004 3:16:52 PM]
  • Out $199, despite my HUGE protests, got involved in Primerica on the advice of a friend Kat [10/5/2004 1:16:27 PM]
  • Stuart, welcome to the real world Wendy [10/6/2004 7:31:02 AM]
  • Rebutting Wendy (Tecumseh) and responding to Dayton Stuart [10/7/2004 4:12:23 AM]
  • Wendy: On behalf of the 'real world', Welcome Paula [10/7/2004 11:18:54 AM]
  • PFS reference... World Marketing Alliance (WMA) Gorden [10/7/2004 2:50:42 PM]
  • Btu What really does it for me is the class of the R VP. Jim [10/8/2004 5:15:14 AM]
  • Not defending all MLMs Wendy [10/8/2004 7:08:52 AM]
  • 'Not defending all MLMs' is wise, Wendy Paula [10/9/2004 3:17:36 AM]
  • Responding to Wendy 'Not defending all MLMs' ..challenge I'm making is to Primerica in general. Put your money where your mouth is. Stuart [10/9/2004 3:30:10 AM]
  • The service is for real Chris [10/11/2004 7:38:55 AM]
  • The truth about Primerica. Eric [10/11/2004 11:04:45 PM]
  • Eric Costa Mesa if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck. ..well you know the saying. Stuart [10/12/2004 2:14:30 AM]
  • The TRUTH about Primerica, Eric? No, you don't have to go to school to get these licenses. You can get them with a no-cost self-study sponsorship from a broker. Paula [10/12/2004 9:15:14 AM]
  • Eric the Brainwashed and proud of it Roger [10/12/2004 10:47:51 AM]
  • PRIMERICA A PYRAMID. JUST SELL SELL SELL BRING BRING BRING HIRE HIRE HIRE Simon [10/12/2004 7:26:34 PM]
  • RESPONSE TO: Chris - Jersey City, New Jersey Peter [10/13/2004 1:07:11 AM]
  • My personal experience with Primerica--Cult-like group Steve [10/14/2004 12:39:44 AM]
  • To the Ed of this site, an honest opinion. Makes you think. I just don't think it's for me. Karen [10/14/2004 2:41:29 PM]
  • Understanding Primerica Fran [10/18/2004 1:44:08 AM]
  • PFS is shady and cultish JC [10/19/2004 9:00:36 AM]
  • Hypocrites- SPEAKING OUT BOTH SIDES OF MOUTH James [10/19/2004 10:11:30 PM]
  • Ex-Employees: Getting your money back Paula [10/20/2004 7:14:19 AM]
  • Hypocrisy Indeed Fred [10/20/2004 10:12:34 AM]
  • Confusion about what Primerica really is Danielle [10/21/2004 1:16:35 AM]
  • Response to Danielle Stuart [10/22/2004 2:45:56 AM]
  • What primerica is... You wont understand until you go to a meeting Adam [10/23/2004 8:28:51 AM]
  • Danielle, Like every company Primerica has its good and bad Justus [10/23/2004 11:43:07 AM]
  • Rebuttal to Adam (Thomasville) Primerica is still the pyramid-schemed company as it always was benefitting the fat cats at the top of the pyramid. Stuart [10/23/2004 1:03:55 PM]
  • Rebutting Justus, Trying to equate Primerica with other respectable companies won't work Stuart [10/24/2004 2:23:03 AM]
  • Please don't give- in your hard worked $200. you'll never see them back!i am a single mother in south central, la-another victim-this is not right! Maribel [10/25/2004 12:16:53 AM]
  • Primerica's '20 minute' presentation!!!! Miss [10/25/2004 9:42:54 PM]
  • Why does Primerica try to recruit HEREW? RipOffReport.com, helping the economy that our Govt screwed up... M [10/27/2004 12:08:23 PM]
  • WELCOME TO AMERICA, everyone is trying to scam, and make you promises. People words are as useful as a 250 dollar bill.....Find out on your own!!!!!! Mark [10/27/2004 6:14:40 PM]
  • Add me to the list of recruited. Lara [10/28/2004 9:34:59 PM]
  • What a shame Lance [10/29/2004 6:57:46 AM]
  • Lance is very good at spinning tales. ..Primerica is still the biggest Stuart [10/29/2004 2:56:30 PM]
  • Just Facts,, It scares me how much Primerica is able to brain wash other wise itelligent people. Primerica recruits between 10-20,000 reps per month. Tom [10/30/2004 2:06:34 PM]
  • Lance seems confused. What did they do for you other than give you the 14 page report and tell you to pay on the principle? Lara [11/1/2004 8:14:46 PM]
  • Almost went for the second interview... grateful for this website Ken [11/2/2004 10:51:10 PM]
  • to me it felt like either speaker is a real bastard or the story was just all hype.. here he is talking about his mother crippled and his father struggling with no compassion Antonio [11/5/2004 2:39:22 PM]
  • I was lied to about a Mortgage job from this company Tariq [11/7/2004 10:03:13 PM]
  • do a search for Russ Whitney, you'll find the same way to scam people Mike [11/8/2004 12:17:22 PM]
  • I WAISTED two years of my life R [11/18/2004 9:06:17 AM]
  • One of the biggest problems I had with Primerica's product is that they tell you that your interest rate doesn't matter. John [11/26/2004 12:20:26 AM]
  • Serious Question, just a junior college student who is only 23, but it seems that I am only hearing about business opportunities and-or employment offers Jennifer [11/26/2004 8:31:10 PM]
  • Response to Jennifer (Bellflower) Stuart [11/27/2004 12:20:27 AM]
  • I found the speaker very patronising and eventually left feeling quite offended ... Kate [11/27/2004 12:13:43 PM]
  • My Brother Was Tricked A Little Over A Year Ago Melissa [11/29/2004 12:10:58 PM]
  • MLMs often misrepresent business opportunites as legitimate jobs. Paula [11/30/2004 12:28:11 AM]
  • Don't Judge All Primerica Rep's by a few Bad People Lori [12/2/2004 4:34:11 PM]
  • PFS Income claims wrong Ram [12/4/2004 7:55:24 AM]
  • I also received a call from Primerica Patrick [12/4/2004 5:37:04 PM]
  • Rebuttal to Lori (Los Angeles) Stuart [12/5/2004 3:39:14 AM]
  • Hey Stuart In New Brunswick - Let's Not Get Personal Here Lori [12/6/2004 1:21:27 AM]
  • Who Are You Kidding? I was coerced into coming to one of these moronic Primerica meetings and I just laughed my head off. Luis [12/9/2004 6:52:52 AM]
  • This is in support of Lori against an attack by Stuart Paul [12/9/2004 9:49:04 AM]
  • I resent that! Melissa [12/10/2004 1:03:39 AM]
  • Now we have two Primerica shills I need to respond to. Lori the Liar from LA and Paul from Brooklyn Stuart [12/10/2004 2:20:17 AM]
  • Choices Manuel [12/10/2004 4:29:32 AM]
  • To Paul from NY - You're out of your' mind AND so is anyone else who's been in Primerica long enough to know what really goes on. Steve [12/10/2004 9:18:45 AM]
  • Free Profile Patrick [12/10/2004 10:02:41 AM]
  • Okay now Primerica shill Manuel, listen up. (West New York) Stuart [12/11/2004 2:36:17 AM]
  • Here is how to tell them that you do not want to work for them Daniel [12/30/2004 10:42:58 AM]
  • HOW ARE YOU HELPING PEOPLE BY TAKING MONEY FROM THEM TERRILYNN [12/30/2004 5:48:11 PM]
  • I sounded the alarm on this company nearly 20 years ago Fran Maguire [1/1/2005 12:45:41 AM]
  • They will never admit that they are dishonest, misdleading and stretching the truth about their products. TERRILYNN [1/1/2005 1:23:30 PM]
  • Liars Trevor [1/6/2005 5:10:19 PM]
  • Deceived but almost scammed Penelope [1/8/2005 4:10:19 AM]
  • a relative will ruin or put a relative relationship in jeapardy to recruit or sell a product A RELATIVE [1/10/2005 11:28:36 AM]
  • INTERESTING Guessing [1/12/2005 12:42:20 PM]
  • Personal Experience with Misleading Practices Paul [1/13/2005 1:42:34 PM]
  • I was contacted by Primerica. Based on the information I collected here, I will certainly not attend the interview. Dan [1/16/2005 10:00:07 PM]
  • Greetings from a UW-Whitewater graduate ..put my resume on Monster.com, after being downsized from my former place of employment. A few weeks later I received a phone call from a Primerica Dawn [1/19/2005 11:52:53 AM]
  • I WAS SO CLOSE TO BEING SCAMMED, got home and did a search for Primerica and I found this site. If they were a good reputable company they say who and what they're about ...they'd be up front right from the start Stephanie [1/19/2005 11:52:43 PM]
  • Don't judge by what you read. Judge by giving the company a try. Steve [1/29/2005 3:17:15 PM]
  • Job INterview With Primerica Marc [1/30/2005 10:37:54 PM]
  • No one in Primerica offers anyone a job. Paul [1/31/2005 11:35:14 AM]
  • Law makers must get involved Marc [1/31/2005 7:04:06 PM]
  • We have highlighted one of the most misunderstood aspects of Primerica which causes a large number of these postings Paul [2/1/2005 8:56:22 AM]
  • Responding to Paul (and Paul) putting your foot in your mouth Stuart [2/2/2005 5:39:16 PM]
  • If you are a business with a report(s) filed against you, you have a chance to make it right. Paul [2/3/2005 10:32:37 AM]
  • PFS 'plan' is not a plan. If you don't believe me, look at the front page of the FNA. Cullen [2/4/2005 7:44:25 AM]
  • Educated Part-timer w/ Primerica Needs to Comment Keri [2/5/2005 10:56:09 AM]
  • You get what you pay for Steve [2/5/2005 12:28:18 PM]
  • Rebutting Steve (N. Canton) ..I quoted directly from Primerica's website Stuart [2/6/2005 12:50:38 AM]
  • Stuart, you drive me nuts. By law, we are classifed as agents. Steve [2/6/2005 8:07:29 PM]
  • Rebutting Steve (N. Canton) ..I want someone who knows what they're doing, not that clown, Paul from Brooklyn nor his clone, Paul from Cape Coral. Stuart [2/7/2005 4:58:01 PM]
  • Helpful? The part that I'm lery about is the whole recruiting thing. Michael [2/7/2005 9:46:49 PM]
  • What is different is how dissimilar businesses recruit. Paul [2/8/2005 7:50:08 AM]
  • Same song, next verse. Primerica is actually the old A L Williams company, which spent a lot of time in litigation regarding business practices (recruiting as a market plan, etc). Dt [2/8/2005 2:26:13 PM]
  • Steve you have the typical 'everyone else but PFS is wrong ' attitude. Cullen [2/9/2005 11:18:08 AM]
  • Paul Canton: Absolutely WRONG!!! misleading to imply that insurance money is tax free as I see so often Francis John [2/9/2005 2:20:49 PM]
  • SMART Loan 'Services' ..I was suckered into refinancing my mortgage into a SMART loan last year. Doug [2/15/2005 3:54:32 PM]
  • Misquoted again Steve [2/15/2005 7:48:46 PM]
  • Recently got invloved with Primerica and pleased so far Lauren [2/15/2005 8:31:11 PM]
  • Here we go again steve Cullen [2/16/2005 4:21:13 AM]
  • Lauren, Thank you for breath of fresh air. Paul [2/16/2005 1:03:14 PM]
  • Rebutting Paul from Brooklyn - As far as trying the so-called Primerica opportunity, does one have to try jumping off a cliff to know what will happen next? Stuart [2/17/2005 6:39:40 PM]
  • Looking to save a potential client from Primerica Refi Chris [2/22/2005 3:36:47 AM]
  • Neighbor's Experience Ralph [2/22/2005 2:06:47 PM]
  • They're still up to their old tricks! Robert [2/22/2005 8:49:20 PM]
  • Please do not dismiss this. I want to apologize... Drew [2/24/2005 9:34:00 PM]
  • Responding to Drew (Arcadia) my biggest question Drew is what has Primerica Stuart [2/25/2005 9:26:45 AM]
  • 'Warm fuzzies' are not enough. Get facts. Doug [2/25/2005 1:03:54 PM]
  • $199 Tenayard [2/25/2005 1:07:38 PM]
  • Hi Drew, That was a very heart felt post. working for a company that limits your ability to do what is best for your clients Cullen [2/25/2005 1:32:00 PM]
  • Just stating my thoughts Derek [2/25/2005 7:17:31 PM]
  • For prospective Salespeople of Primerica... Not a cult... Jay [2/28/2005 3:22:28 PM]
  • Rebutting Derek (Orangeville) Ripoff Report is primarily designed to help those who have been victimized by companies. Aside from Primericans coming around to tout the company Stuart [2/28/2005 4:45:15 PM]
  • Primerica - - A Company Who Has Lost Its' Way Stephen [2/28/2005 9:32:35 PM]
  • Primerica hacks always doing what's in the best interest of the client Justin [3/2/2005 10:52:04 AM]
  • our goal is still, 'To help families become debt free and financially independent Drew F. [3/3/2005 12:11:49 AM]
  • Thanks to all of you, for and against Primerica.... I was fooled long enough to offer three references, all of whom I've contacted to apologize in advance for any future contact by PFS. Scott [3/8/2005 8:09:04 PM]
  • Rebutting Drew F. Is Primerica looking for part-time agents or, ultimately, full-time? Ripoff Report is primarily designed to help those who have been victimized by companies. Stuart [3/9/2005 7:40:05 AM]
  • responding to Stuart - North Brunswick, New Jersey - Fruad? That I have no clue about. If there are people commiting fruad then get proof Drew [3/10/2005 11:37:19 AM]
  • IS PRIMERICA SO GREAT?, THEN WHY SO MUCH CONTROVERSY? Caroline [3/10/2005 12:22:23 PM]
  • Revolt from within Shane [3/10/2005 6:08:09 PM]
  • Getting to the nitty gritty with Drew F. Stuart [3/12/2005 10:51:56 PM]
  • this is the last post. ..You will try to debate everthing I say, in turn making this a neverending battle. Drew [3/13/2005 1:06:46 AM]
  • If you don't evolve you die Shane [3/14/2005 12:50:52 PM]
  • Flaws With Business Model Stephen [3/15/2005 2:35:39 PM]
  • Valid Concerns, However... Jonathan [3/16/2005 7:04:24 PM]
  • Now we are on the right track Shane [3/23/2005 3:06:14 PM]
  • So far, in all my prying, I have not seen any major wrong doing on the part of Primerica. Madox [3/30/2005 1:28:24 PM]
  • No Wrong Doings By Primerica... Don't Make Me Laugh Stephen [3/31/2005 5:26:44 PM]
  • Still, Specifics - maybe they don't have the best deal in town. that doesn't constitute fraud. Madox [4/1/2005 2:10:37 PM]
  • Here's the fraud Doug [4/5/2005 1:37:15 PM]
  • Primerica Agents Education and Training Brandon [4/6/2005 4:02:26 PM]
  • I agree that if 12% was used as a reasonable interest rate for mutual funds, this is incorrect and should be addressed (filing a complaint with Primerica's Office of General Counsel should put an end to that.. David [4/8/2005 2:26:21 PM]
  • long term not monthly acerages - the PFS one size fits all philosophy is short sighted and incomplete. Cullen [4/9/2005 3:45:29 AM]
  • To Fraud Chick I wish somebody on this site would say how they got hurt. Joshua [4/9/2005 1:57:49 PM]
  • Not giving the whole picture, David Timothy [4/12/2005 8:00:52 AM]
  • Buy Term and invest the difference response Brandon [4/12/2005 8:27:14 PM]
  • All the catch phrases, from 'opening a new branch in your area' to 'better than your current position' popped up in just my first two phone conversations. Jon [4/13/2005 9:33:23 AM]
  • Response to Brandon generally what primerica does is good for most people Rob [4/14/2005 11:04:24 PM]
  • COMMON SENSE Leon [4/22/2005 11:27:22 AM]
  • You wouldn't know common sense if it knocked you upside the head. Al [4/23/2005 10:25:49 PM]
  • All primerica expects is a few sales from your family and friends. Once you do that, they're done with you. Paul [4/24/2005 1:53:06 AM]
  • how could it be a 'rip off'? Brian [4/25/2005 12:42:46 PM]
  • Can't find the ripoff? It's easy to see. Just look for the complaint that starts with “primerica offered me a position as an office manager." Paul [4/26/2005 8:57:21 PM]
  • Not sure what to think Carly [4/27/2005 8:46:01 PM]
  • Not sure, you say? Well, then take the job and buy the financial products. See how it all works out. Paul [4/28/2005 12:24:48 AM]
  • Some more information - you have a lot of valid points, based on the prior negative experiences. Carly [4/30/2005 9:04:24 PM]
  • If you are even THINKING about getting involved with Primerica, take a few hours to first read all the complaints here. Paul [5/1/2005 2:23:38 PM]
  • Scam! PFS is a scam, a lie, and nothing more then a giant pat on the back of someone who reeps the benefit of your hard work. Jesse [5/2/2005 1:21:24 PM]
  • For all the negative people in the Rip-Off Site Frank [5/9/2005 8:46:55 PM]
  • Primerica IS for everyone... no exceptions Mike [5/10/2005 3:17:34 AM]
  • Im not successful. If this opportunity is great for you, thats nice. But, you obviously think you are better. Scott [5/10/2005 7:02:03 AM]
  • Rebutting Frank (SanDiego) - it's only the fat cats that are benefitting, certainly not the frontline agents.. Stuart [5/10/2005 9:23:49 AM]
  • HIGH PRICED 'HELP' BY PRIMERICA Dave [5/10/2005 1:31:38 PM]
  • Where do you idiots see any money? Can you point it out to me, because all I've been reading about are people who lost their asses? Paul [5/11/2005 1:41:14 AM]
  • Way to go Frank, keep it up. You like your colleague above just read from the same playbook. You ignore and write off all the experience on this site. Anthony [5/11/2005 9:58:33 AM]
  • All anecdotal? Mike [5/12/2005 9:16:17 PM]
  • Right there in the open? It is now. ...$4 million just for people changing their minds, what a company? Anthony [5/15/2005 2:11:22 PM]
  • Fair enough Mike [5/15/2005 9:21:31 PM]
  • to Mike from Canada, I really don't believe that a person who claims to have spent over 100K on his education would give that up to be apart of a pyramid scheme company Al [5/16/2005 2:19:00 PM]
  • Certain issues need to be clarified Daniel [5/17/2005 11:39:40 AM]
  • Daniel from Canada - The more questions I asked the up line the more I got told to go out and recruit and the money will come. Al [5/17/2005 4:37:25 PM]
  • Imagine! It's easy if you try! The MLM 'feel' does present quite a dilemma for those of us who are honestly trying to build in Primerica and we shouldn't white wash the fact that it exists. Jo [5/17/2005 11:16:38 PM]
  • Choose your battles = a lot of bad people involved in the company. They make it a lot harder for people who are out there trying to offer better solutions for families Ellie [5/18/2005 6:53:09 AM]
  • Ellie, thanx for the honest and up front assessment of your company. Timothy [5/18/2005 12:58:52 PM]
  • You make good points, Timothy Mike [5/20/2005 3:40:17 AM]
  • I don't buy the altrusitic justification for mass recruiting Timothy [5/20/2005 9:51:05 AM]
  • Altruismn is a by-product of this opportunity - designed to be profitable, a money-maker, nothing else. Mike [5/21/2005 5:27:08 AM]
  • Similarities between Primerica and the Holocaust (adding to Timothy from Valparaiso) Stuart [5/21/2005 9:06:44 AM]
  • BE WISE IN YOUR ACTIONS - enjoyed lot of the comments. Great web site. A [5/23/2005 12:47:24 PM]
  • Some suggestions that will never be implemented Timothy [5/23/2005 7:37:16 PM]
  • I Completely Agree with the unusual behavior! Louise [5/24/2005 12:34:14 PM]
  • Primerica has allowed me to be me and make three (3) times the money I made working for somebody else. Bob [6/1/2005 7:18:11 AM]
  • Rebuttal to Bob (Yardley) - Documentation to Ripoff Report is what we need, not vague statements that you put out Stuart [6/1/2005 12:23:19 PM]
  • 110,000 Representatives and growing to be exact.... Bob [6/2/2005 6:28:57 AM]
  • Put up or shut up! you're not really helping people so much as you're just selling them a product. Timothy [6/2/2005 8:49:09 PM]
  • Rebutting Bob (Yardley) - Round 2 - - Primerica is known for duping people to join up to get at their warm markets while the newbies literally get raped financially by Primerica who do not get back what they give to Primerica. Stuart [6/4/2005 8:01:31 AM]
  • Good for consumers but bad for potential primerica employees David [6/5/2005 4:39:59 PM]
  • I'll see you in Georgia, Bob. We're also very excited about heading to the Dome... some neat new stuff coming. Next trip... Hawaii. Mike [6/6/2005 3:46:53 AM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) ..How are you helping the victims of Primerica Stuart [6/6/2005 5:55:57 AM]
  • my investigation on Primerica John [6/6/2005 5:34:29 PM]
  • Let's talk specifics Timothy [6/6/2005 7:55:06 PM]
  • Rebutting John (aka Financially, City, Georgia) Your credibility has been shot to pieces. John? Are you getting bored with the Primerica meetings and just decided to troll over here to do your shilling. Stuart [6/7/2005 9:24:29 AM]
  • so I guess all companies are a pyramid scheme Detective John [6/7/2005 12:35:24 PM]
  • Pyramids - you asked for it, and you're going to get it. Timothy [6/7/2005 8:45:14 PM]
  • What kind of stats would be of use? Mike [6/7/2005 9:24:03 PM]
  • I was planning to post this long, drawn out letter to all of you but... Kevin [6/8/2005 4:54:23 AM]
  • response to trollers such as Detective John (Washinton, DC) Stuart [6/8/2005 7:50:07 AM]
  • Primerica in Chicagoland - private police officer in Kenosha, Wisconsin, contacted by Primerica Recruiters on multiple times Nathan [6/8/2005 10:28:13 AM]
  • My complete and honest experience with Primerica, so far... Kevin [6/8/2005 10:35:10 PM]
  • My take on Primerica and all MLMs. - PFS has tried to recruit myself, and other members of my family. Every time they are told to get lost, we have real JOBs. Patrick [6/8/2005 11:05:51 PM]
  • To Kevin in OK- I commend you for your Eagerness, but caution you on your Naiveness. You my friend have fallen into the same pit I crawled out of Rip Doff [6/9/2005 1:55:59 PM]
  • If you're currently so satisfied with Primerica, what brings you to Ripoff Report? Stuart [6/9/2005 9:19:47 PM]
  • Do I really need to tell you what stats are relevant? Sure, it's better than Amway, but that's like saying that dog crap smells better than horse crap. Timothy [6/10/2005 9:59:38 PM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) ...the average Primerican nets out is way worse than what you would make at a McDonalds. So much for MLMs and pyramid schemes Stuart [6/11/2005 5:56:19 AM]
  • Yes I would like to feel importance. Who wouldn't - I PROMISE each and everyone of you Kevin [6/11/2005 5:01:34 PM]
  • pyramid scheme - They group u like cattle, fill your head with unrealistic promises of great fortune... Am [6/11/2005 7:04:44 PM]
  • Am in BRONX, NY, are you sure you were talking about PRIMERICA? Kevin [6/12/2005 4:37:13 AM]
  • 2nd response to Kevin (Oklahoma City) ..You ask why do I post. My answer is to help the victims of Primerica by giving guidance. Stuart [6/12/2005 6:18:06 PM]
  • RESPONSE TO KEVIN ..you have done nothing but prove that my whole post was true in every fashion Am [6/12/2005 10:36:39 PM]
  • questions that newbie Primericans would and should be asking Stuart [6/13/2005 12:26:50 PM]
  • Am in BX NY, HOW did I prove your point? Wow, you COMPLETELY missed the message... Kevin [6/13/2005 10:45:52 PM]
  • Your RIGHT, Primerica doesn't babysit their REPS, in fact they have no real control AT ALL Rip Doff [6/14/2005 2:08:17 PM]
  • I don't see the 'ripped off' part Mike [6/15/2005 3:05:26 AM]
  • Primerica is like the Athens of Old... The company is also structured so that it makes a ton of money from it's unheard of amount of turnover. Adonijah [6/15/2005 9:14:42 AM]
  • Primerica is the biggest joke Wayne [6/15/2005 9:01:50 PM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) Stuart [6/16/2005 4:05:10 AM]
  • Wow... it's finally my turn to say 'prove it' Mike [6/16/2005 4:16:45 AM]
  • I especially love your ongoing attempts to reduce anyone's intelligence who contradicts you, by using the ol' 'Primerica play book' line. Mike [6/17/2005 10:11:19 AM]
  • Been to the meetings and am seeing some flags.... Rachel [6/17/2005 12:51:05 PM]
  • 2nd Rebuttal to Mike (Oshawa) ..huge turnover since policyholders keep cancelling their policies which Primerica admits to at their website Stuart [6/17/2005 2:30:49 PM]
  • You're still in class Mike (Oshawa) - Here are the questions that newbie Primericans Stuart [6/18/2005 6:23:19 AM]
  • Making money in Primerica Doug [6/19/2005 4:23:16 AM]
  • INSIDE INFORMATION Inside [6/19/2005 4:33:08 PM]
  • Stuart....All I Have To Say Is.... My income is no secret I'm in the Financial Independence Council book... Bob [6/20/2005 10:22:35 AM]
  • Where's The Consumer? Your post more than undescores the deceptive practices of Primerca - the dicotomy between what the customer is told and what really occurs. Lynn [6/20/2005 3:02:38 PM]
  • Stuart... your nerve continues to astound Mike [6/21/2005 7:28:39 AM]
  • Reality Check - Working For Yourself Lynn [6/21/2005 7:40:05 AM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) 6/21 posting - follow your handy dandy Primerica manual which says something to the effect of quoting out of context to try to reduce your adversary's credibility and create confusion. Stuart [6/21/2005 7:14:13 PM]
  • Take a look at Succes Magazine June Issue Frank [6/23/2005 10:52:55 PM]
  • Rebutting Inside/John, Some City/Georgia ..Any wonder why Primerica is having recruitment problems? Stuart [6/24/2005 9:26:14 PM]
  • narrow minded Sam [6/27/2005 2:54:22 PM]
  • Stuart, I read that the other day. I laughed my ass off. Paul [6/27/2005 11:00:56 PM]
  • ..Every business has its devoted followers (i.e. employees) and Primerica is no exception. Stuart [6/28/2005 7:08:43 AM]
  • For Christ's sake primerica, take advantage of this site's mediation process before it's too late. And, you too citi. Paul [6/28/2005 7:18:58 PM]
  • Rebutting Sam (St. Catharines, ON) Stuart [6/29/2005 9:23:01 PM]
  • Freakonomics Doug [7/1/2005 9:40:06 AM]
  • Going to find a better way to spend my saturday! Amy [7/2/2005 5:58:56 AM]
  • Some Primerica offices do it better! Lacy [7/3/2005 6:27:59 PM]
  • Lacy (Idaho Falls) If Primerica were to reform and be in line with your viewpoint and the way you run your operation, there'd be many more happy campers. Stuart [7/5/2005 7:38:01 AM]
  • PFS is running a diamond mine. They need to search thru tons of people to get that one customer who will buy. Paul [7/6/2005 12:29:35 AM]
  • Yes, it can be done (make a living at Primerica without recruitment) Lacy [7/6/2005 9:42:41 AM]
  • Test Ownership, use a simple litmus test - you've invested sweat equity in what belongs to PFS Corporate, not you Anthony [7/6/2005 10:00:38 AM]
  • If a PFS rep never recruits anyone, he will never get above a 25% commission level. Skull [7/6/2005 3:03:09 PM]
  • Something is wrong in your numbers. It's a lot harder than you suggest. Paul [7/6/2005 7:21:13 PM]
  • I'm Joining Primerica - my thanks to the owner of this site Orlando [7/7/2005 1:46:38 PM]
  • Unbelievable, I've damn near made myself sick reading about this organization. What's even scarier yet, is that Primerica seems to be safely shadowed under the Citi umbrella Jimmy [7/7/2005 2:37:50 PM]
  • I'm Back! nothing has changed in the months since I stopped posting. TO ALL PRIMERICANS, stop trying to use logic, reason, and good argument against these idiots. Paul [7/8/2005 9:03:44 AM]
  • Once again stuart... the pot calling the kettle black! Mike [7/8/2005 3:03:33 PM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) how you're helping out Primerican victims? Stuart [7/9/2005 5:27:54 AM]
  • What are you talking about Mike? simply pointed out facts about claims to ownership which have never been disputed or can be disputed. Anthony [7/9/2005 8:27:46 AM]
  • PFS in Canada is not PFS in the U.S.A. Skull Pilot [7/9/2005 3:07:33 PM]
  • Rebutting Paul from Brooklyn Stuart [7/9/2005 4:49:46 PM]
  • We are not employees of any company but captive agents.. Not being an employee is having the freedom to do what you want when you want.. Keith [7/9/2005 6:57:43 PM]
  • Comments for Stuart, and everyone in general. If the products and services offered by Primerica are so competative with other companies, why don't they just offer them in a traditional agent office like everyone else? Patrick [7/10/2005 9:50:57 AM]
  • Responding to Patrick (Gilbert) this site was never meant to be used in the way Primerican weasels like to use it to go trolling around on Ripoff Report. They don't address basic issues that they know are indefensible, so they hide shilling for Primerica. Stuart [7/10/2005 3:45:38 PM]
  • I have had one of these guys basically STALKING me for the last month to a point that i am afraid to answer my phone... Doesnt [7/10/2005 8:26:22 PM]
  • Advice for Doesn't (DFF) Stuart [7/11/2005 5:23:49 AM]
  • Here's another idea Timothy [7/12/2005 8:48:04 PM]
  • The Primerica Challenge Stuart [7/14/2005 8:56:06 AM]
  • Still arguing over semantics Mike [7/17/2005 11:51:30 PM]
  • I'm not an insurance agent for a competing company. The reason I come here is because I don't like your crooked company ripping off Americans. Paul [7/18/2005 1:18:02 AM]
  • Replies to Keith and Mike - pros and cons of being a captive agent Skull Pilot [7/18/2005 3:30:16 AM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) the pot calling the kettle black Stuart [7/18/2005 5:45:29 AM]
  • What is the price for Financial Freedom? Rob [7/18/2005 5:06:54 PM]
  • Question still not answered. Patrick [7/18/2005 9:40:14 PM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Oshawa) How can anybody rely upon your word when you're Stuart [7/20/2005 4:37:46 AM]
  • To Patrick, It is called “business model". Paul [7/20/2005 7:07:28 AM]
  • In every business you will have people not doing the right thing, but does make the whole company bad. Curtis [7/20/2005 1:22:29 PM]
  • Sorry, that did not answer the question. Patrick [7/20/2005 4:53:38 PM]
  • Primerica to me, The information they gave me was terrific. I consider myself intelligent Richard [7/20/2005 6:19:18 PM]
  • Good points Richard, but... you are wrong about one part. Patrick [7/20/2005 8:57:36 PM]
  • Rebutting Paul (Brooklyn) Primerica does their business across the kitchen table Stuart [7/22/2005 6:26:30 PM]
  • The Sales Pitch Appeals to the Good and Bad in People Tony [7/27/2005 3:59:09 PM]
  • PRIMERICA - MOST OF YOU ARE SIMPLY IGNORANT TO THE FACTS! Troy [7/30/2005 12:54:45 PM]
  • Rebutting Troy (Shelbyville) what are you doing to help the victimes of Primerica? Stuart [7/30/2005 4:14:22 PM]
  • Come back in 3 months and then you can tell us how well you did with your great “business opportunity". Paul [7/30/2005 4:53:19 PM]
  • How do I answer illogics Paul [7/30/2005 9:47:21 PM]
  • I was hurt by Primerica Doug [7/31/2005 11:19:19 AM]
  • responding to Doug (Laurel) not a loser because you learned Stuart [7/31/2005 4:34:39 PM]
  • I just signed on with PFS last week and so I'm not firmly entrenched in their camp. Mike [8/1/2005 11:24:04 AM]
  • Response: Thoughts after first meeting and some research William [8/1/2005 12:14:44 PM]
  • The challenge remains Skull Pilot [8/1/2005 12:47:40 PM]
  • Primerica can work... if you're lucky. Will [8/2/2005 1:05:53 AM]
  • Like to hear from more comsumers.... Michele [8/4/2005 4:07:46 PM]
  • Hyprocrisy abounds with PFS Anthony [8/4/2005 8:25:13 PM]
  • History Lessom Paul [8/8/2005 9:06:06 AM]
  • Thank goodness for this site...I almost bought it, hook, line and sinker... Kara L. T. [8/11/2005 10:58:51 PM]
  • correction to post = grateful for these testimonies Kara L. T. [8/12/2005 7:12:04 AM]
  • Primerica realities Mike [8/12/2005 12:09:55 PM]
  • Too many Cult characteristics Brian [8/13/2005 12:25:09 AM]
  • Response the good and the bad Joseph [8/15/2005 7:21:47 PM]
  • Responding to Joseph (Fresno) Suspect fled to Florida, brought back to California to stand justice for stealing money form senior citizen and family Stuart [8/16/2005 5:46:44 AM]
  • Your $199 Fee. a good company with a good mission Duane [8/16/2005 3:36:20 PM]
  • Still nothing? Mike [8/20/2005 1:15:07 PM]
  • Where is the harm with primerica? They always ask that same question over and over again. Where is the harm? Paul [8/20/2005 5:05:58 PM]
  • Did you know that the CEO of Primerica is employed by Citigroup? He All_Seeing_Eye [8/20/2005 8:05:23 PM]
  • I Hope the Objective Read My Response J [8/20/2005 8:57:38 PM]
  • You think PFS is a scam? Read this. All_Seeing_Eye [8/21/2005 12:10:24 AM]
  • You think Term insurance sucks? Then you better study your life insurance book All_Seeing_Eye [8/21/2005 12:15:02 AM]
  • MLM review. Best ratings All_Seeing_Eye [8/21/2005 12:18:38 AM]
  • Addressing the All Seeing Oddball and Paul from Anaheim - the absurdity of Primerica Stuart [8/21/2005 4:45:05 AM]
  • I see old One Eye is still only seeing half the picture. Skull Pilot [8/24/2005 6:51:40 AM]
  • Saved me the Insult Roger [8/27/2005 12:19:14 PM]
  • Capitalism to its fullest extent. Keir [8/29/2005 3:02:09 AM]
  • Straightening out Keir (Atlantic City) you're contradicting yourself Stuart [8/29/2005 7:31:23 PM]
  • My Goodness!! Jonathon [8/30/2005 2:47:06 AM]
  • Response to the contradiction. Keir [8/30/2005 3:07:49 PM]
  • Chanting Amen and Primerica a Cult Scott [9/1/2005 7:25:00 PM]
  • Rebutting Scott (Lake City) Stuart [9/2/2005 5:40:26 PM]
  • A million people before you have joined and quit this loser company. None of them made enough money to stay, so what chance do you have, sport? Paul [9/2/2005 9:27:08 PM]
  • Just because you Failed doesnt make everybody else a failure Scott [9/3/2005 3:45:52 PM]
  • Glad to hear that you made a sale. I hope the whole thing works out for you. But running a primerica scam on families is not for me. Paul [9/3/2005 11:09:05 PM]
  • A warning to Scott (Lake City) Stuart [9/4/2005 10:12:03 AM]
  • Attitude Iyapo [9/4/2005 11:46:09 AM]
  • Pro-primerica Billy [9/4/2005 12:35:41 PM]
  • 2 years and they are still talking Deborah [9/4/2005 1:16:40 PM]
  • This isn't recruiting. They lie to victims to suck money out of them. Primerica is an amoral, disgusting scam that helps no one but themselves. Paul [9/4/2005 6:16:44 PM]
  • More of 'Where is the harm?' Mike [9/5/2005 11:31:18 PM]
  • Responding to Mike from Hamilton Edwin [9/6/2005 11:26:09 AM]
  • Rebutting Mike (Hamilton) there is no hundred-grand opportunity Stuart [9/6/2005 5:58:31 PM]
  • An analytical dissection of primerica's lead generation and marketing strategies-unveiling the fraud and examining its implementation Paul [9/6/2005 8:03:53 PM]
  • Commentary on Paul from Anaheim's most recent posting - blind leading the blind Stuart [9/7/2005 4:46:37 AM]
  • I would believe it if there were responses from clients. Jennifer [9/7/2005 6:21:13 PM]
  • The sad part is that many citi clients actually believe they are saving money. Paul [9/8/2005 8:40:09 PM]
  • Why are all of you dogging on this company tell me 1 company that has a perfect track record. Butch [9/8/2005 10:01:50 PM]
  • Who has big money to throw away on trash from primerica and citi? Nobody I know, that's for sure! Paul [9/9/2005 12:11:13 AM]
  • Accentuating Paul's report (from Anaheim) Stuart [9/9/2005 6:09:51 AM]
  • you need to be independantly prepared to judge their products and defend yourself from the sales techniques J [9/9/2005 9:15:25 AM]
  • I was called yesterday by a Primerica Rep Simply [9/23/2005 7:53:17 AM]
  • Facts anyone? Andrea [9/24/2005 5:51:16 PM]
  • Why does primerica always send the illiterate here to make comments? I guess that's the best the company has. Paul [9/24/2005 11:45:58 PM]
  • Rebutting Andrea (Kitchener) I'm sure Citigroup made sure that Primerica would be as crooked as them. Stuart [9/25/2005 3:44:10 AM]
  • Primerica shills are just too easy Timothy [9/25/2005 1:47:29 PM]
  • Personal experience and general remarks Salvador [9/30/2005 12:17:20 PM]
  • Clarifying Salvador (Broadview) ..Primerica still scams regardless of the law Stuart [10/1/2005 6:05:55 AM]
  • Thanx for all the posts on this company. CK & Associates and Primerica are both scams. Tyler [10/3/2005 2:48:05 PM]
  • Emotional Levels Waldo [10/4/2005 9:28:43 AM]
  • a BIG Thanx to all Dawn [10/4/2005 9:31:30 AM]
  • Do your research Mark [10/5/2005 2:17:23 PM]
  • Rebutting Mark (Seaside) Stuart [10/6/2005 2:58:10 AM]
  • There is always a silver lining Richard [10/6/2005 4:46:23 PM]
  • I'd like to say thanx all the primerica agents who come here and help to put their fraudulent company out of business Paul [10/6/2005 7:57:57 PM]
  • Responding to Richard (Chico) comment which caught my eye Stuart [10/7/2005 5:06:30 AM]
  • Felt lucky to get out of there with my soul after declining to 'join' a number of times, and refused to implicate any family or friends. Karen [10/7/2005 5:53:50 PM]
  • Run. Run in terror. Bryan [10/12/2005 1:09:12 PM]
  • Sorry to hear all this... Reyes [10/12/2005 2:39:37 PM]
  • Danielle.... Donald [10/12/2005 5:48:45 PM]
  • Rebutting Reyes (San Fernando) and Donald (Boulder) Stuart [10/13/2005 5:11:22 AM]
  • The truth is self-evident Timothy [10/15/2005 6:36:18 AM]
  • Answering the Danielle question - What a bunch of morons these Primerican shillers are Stuart [10/15/2005 7:27:22 AM]
  • Primerica was doomed right from the start. Any “business" that relies on fraud and deception has a limited potential for success. Paul [10/15/2005 1:13:20 PM]
  • stuart... Donald [10/17/2005 12:48:01 PM]
  • hard to believe... watch. Lee [10/17/2005 3:22:05 PM]
  • Rebutting Lee (Dillon) Even Primerica's own metamorphosis website isn't very flattering towards itself and it's documented that Primerica has had crooks working for it Stuart [10/18/2005 5:48:10 AM]
  • Faultering Success Rates Richard [10/21/2005 12:08:45 PM]
  • My own experience with the liers of Primerica Brian [10/27/2005 11:44:04 AM]
  • Ripoff Indeed~~ A L Williams all over again.!!! Paul [10/31/2005 7:38:31 PM]
  • Listen to... my 2 Cents Kari [11/3/2005 11:58:16 PM]
  • Responding to Kari (Brooklyn) How are you helping the victims of Crimerica Stuart [11/4/2005 4:07:28 AM]
  • FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WHY PRIMERICA MAY BE DEEMED AS 'FRAUDULENT', 'VAGUE', AND 'DECEPTIVE' Jay [11/4/2005 8:34:04 AM]
  • I think it is a scam and so he had his mentor come over and talk to me. C [11/4/2005 3:13:23 PM]
  • 'Check up from the neck up' part 2 Anthony [11/5/2005 10:23:53 AM]
  • No recruit benefits from either primerica or citi. Stay away from the scam before it costs you or someone you know big money. Paul [11/5/2005 4:37:20 PM]
  • Responding to C (Riverside) Read the Ripoff Reports on Crimerica. Learn from other's mistakes. Stuart [11/5/2005 5:51:50 PM]
  • Disturbing Pattern Brian [11/5/2005 7:11:18 PM]
  • Rebutting Brian (Brooklyn) Stuart [11/6/2005 10:42:53 AM]
  • Look, here's the whole scam in a nutshell. The only people who make money at primerica are the top executives. Paul [11/6/2005 1:53:10 PM]
  • My Experience Gary [11/11/2005 11:19:35 AM]
  • Responding to Gary (Morrow) Stuart [11/12/2005 3:39:38 PM]
  • Appreciative Job Seeker Shandra [11/14/2005 11:34:35 AM]
  • PFS Rhetoric Skull Pilot [11/14/2005 1:44:48 PM]
  • PFS almost had me...thanks Ripoff Report Greg [11/17/2005 8:10:49 AM]
  • Rebutting Reyes (San Fernando) and Donald (Boulder) Jessica [11/17/2005 2:07:27 PM]
  • Questions for Jessica Edwin [11/18/2005 6:58:45 PM]
  • Crimerica caught with their pants down Stuart [11/19/2005 6:04:23 AM]
  • Companies like Primerica hurt the credibility of job seeker websites John [11/22/2005 3:01:02 PM]
  • Pushy people??? Lindsay [11/29/2005 6:58:27 PM]
  • Rebutting Lindsay (Lincoln) Lindsay. How are you helping out the victims of Crimerica which is the main point to this website? Stuart [11/30/2005 7:56:13 AM]
  • You're a # everywhere else, but not primerica? Joshua [11/30/2005 3:56:12 PM]
  • Primerica Abuse of Monster.com Brian [12/1/2005 7:38:06 PM]
  • This has gone on long enough Cody [12/2/2005 9:14:30 AM]
  • Thank God I didn't listen to the negative people on this site. Robert [12/2/2005 12:54:43 PM]
  • You guys crack me up. You say the company is legit and in the sense that it is not illegal, you're right. I say that PFS has many faults and here are a few. Skull Pilot [12/3/2005 4:17:13 AM]
  • Rebutting Cody (Rochester) and Robert (Modesto) Stuart [12/3/2005 5:14:31 AM]
  • Here's where the difference may lie... Cody [12/3/2005 10:08:49 PM]
  • Rebutting Cody (Rochester) How are you helping out the consumer victims of Crimerica Cody? Stuart [12/4/2005 8:34:06 AM]
  • I think your missing the point... in a sense, you're right. We aren't comparing apples to apples. We're comparing apples to oranges. And that is precisely what makes us better! Cody [12/5/2005 6:27:32 AM]
  • Cody, there are some things you should understand. Jay [12/5/2005 7:11:34 AM]
  • I made the best of it Shambhu [12/5/2005 6:26:51 PM]
  • Cody, Your mortgage example is flawed and your logic is a little off. Skull Pilot [12/6/2005 4:32:53 AM]
  • Skull Pilot: Very Articulate Point Jay [12/6/2005 9:46:31 AM]
  • Rebutting Cody (Rochester) Stuart [12/6/2005 8:19:07 PM]
  • Also for Cody, scan a copy of the RVP contract Anthony [12/7/2005 10:36:34 AM]
  • Points refuted Cody [12/7/2005 5:26:32 PM]
  • It's just a lack of life experience, Cody Skull Pilot [12/8/2005 5:15:42 AM]
  • Not Ownership Cody Anthony [12/8/2005 8:28:01 AM]
  • Rebutting Cody (Rochester) further Stuart [12/8/2005 7:17:02 PM]
  • Recruited by Primerica Edvin [12/11/2005 11:19:49 AM]
  • Contacted by Primerica Anthony [1/7/2006 9:30:15 PM]
  • Just some questions John [1/9/2006 11:14:48 AM]
  • being a Regional Vice President with primerica really doesn't mean much. Leroy [1/9/2006 1:20:53 PM]
  • Ponzi's original marketing scam remains firmly in place at Primerica James [1/10/2006 7:01:26 PM]
  • I got my call, so glad for this report. Thank you! Rich [1/11/2006 10:41:49 AM]
  • RipOff Report, I Owe You 8-10 Hours A Week Tony [1/12/2006 10:27:35 PM]
  • Primerica not a Ponzi scheme Leroy [1/13/2006 12:08:23 PM]
  • Run as fast as you can from Primerica Maria [1/16/2006 5:38:20 AM]
  • About Attained Education and Primerica; Also, Why Primerica Itself is a Valuable Part of Citigroup Jesse [1/18/2006 11:11:30 PM]
  • Rebutting Jesse (Glenwood) you must have overlooked this Stuart [1/19/2006 10:50:03 AM]
  • Just to clear a few things up. D [1/20/2006 1:07:52 AM]
  • rebuttal to last post by Stuart - I am in no way affiliated with Primerica. I am just offering my opinion. Steve [1/20/2006 1:59:51 AM]
  • Rebutting D (Victorville) Stuart [1/20/2006 3:42:33 PM]
  • D in Victorville says.. attempting to defend the indefensible 'Wow, show me a single whole life policy that has a lower premium than Primerica term Leroy [1/20/2006 3:50:31 PM]
  • Scam... It really does seem like a scam, if they would call some one with out even a high school diploma. K [1/21/2006 8:27:10 PM]
  • Primerica may be a lot of things, but it is NOT a rip-off. Ron [1/21/2006 9:56:47 PM]
  • Exploitation is a rip off Skull Pilot [1/22/2006 5:32:23 AM]
  • Response to Kitka's 'Exploitation is a Rip-Off' Ron [1/22/2006 1:36:33 PM]
  • Back to you Stuart D [1/22/2006 2:54:16 PM]
  • And now for you Leroy... D [1/22/2006 3:25:54 PM]
  • Further rebutting D (Victorville) Stuart [1/22/2006 7:57:08 PM]
  • Ron hasn't been with PFS to realize the truth yet Debra [1/22/2006 8:27:22 PM]
  • P.S - D in Victorville Leroy [1/23/2006 1:26:42 AM]
  • Questions for you Scott [1/23/2006 10:17:51 PM]
  • For Ron, I said the up line exploits a new recruit. Skull Pilot [1/24/2006 4:30:54 AM]
  • Answering Scott = Its a brilliantly concieved marketing idea designed to sell overpriced products by exploiting individuals without much sophistication or experience as both the buyer and the seller. Leroy [1/24/2006 1:51:40 PM]
  • Rebutting Scott of Texas - Many PFS agents use mis-leading scripts to get the prospect to their office Anthony [1/24/2006 4:28:45 PM]
  • Rebutting Scott (Arlington) Stuart [1/24/2006 4:40:35 PM]
  • For Debra and Skull Pilot Ron [1/24/2006 5:40:47 PM]
  • Not minor flaws; Character flaws Skull Pilot [1/25/2006 3:13:17 AM]
  • PFS gives superior service? ..every primerica policyholder I ever ran into had the same complaint Leroy [1/25/2006 12:44:53 PM]
  • Rebuttal to Skull Pilot Ron [1/28/2006 2:04:49 PM]
  • Responding to Ron (Bonita) Stuart [1/29/2006 1:47:35 PM]
  • **tap tap** (tapping foot impatiently) ...still waitiing Adolph [1/29/2006 6:53:40 PM]
  • Clarification request for Ron (Bonita) sounds like more PFS double-talk Anthony [1/30/2006 10:43:04 AM]
  • Do you really want to match wits? Skull Pilot [1/30/2006 4:20:40 PM]
  • To Ron: Primerica is a joke, it is what it is.. Jay [1/31/2006 3:34:41 PM]
  • Response to Jay and Skull Pilot Ron [2/1/2006 12:12:07 AM]
  • Ron.. Calif Dept of Insurance had a lot to say Leroy [2/1/2006 1:46:20 AM]
  • You choose to sell products that you know are not the best value Skull Pilot [2/1/2006 3:31:24 PM]
  • What are the real questions Brian [2/1/2006 5:46:56 PM]
  • Rebutting Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/1/2006 6:50:15 PM]
  • answering skull pilot Leroy [2/1/2006 11:03:03 PM]
  • Ron says that Primerica often uses a blended interest rate that is often lower than the client's home loan and consumer rates combined. Leroy [2/1/2006 11:15:17 PM]
  • All companies have problems Dallas [2/3/2006 12:04:45 AM]
  • Rebuttal to Skull Pilot, Leroy & Stuart Ron [2/3/2006 1:22:17 AM]
  • Dallas... the problem starts with PFS Leroy [2/3/2006 12:50:16 PM]
  • Keep trying Ron. Skull Pilot [2/3/2006 4:29:24 PM]
  • Rebutting Dallas (San Antonia) Stuart [2/3/2006 5:13:08 PM]
  • Further rebuttal to Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/3/2006 6:02:09 PM]
  • Putting the BS to Bed Ron [2/5/2006 2:06:01 AM]
  • Another rebuttal to Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/5/2006 8:18:56 AM]
  • PFS has lots of issues Ron, that keeps getting ignored Anthony [2/5/2006 10:28:56 AM]
  • Ron - You better check your rah-rah tapes Debra [2/5/2006 4:02:57 PM]
  • Response to Debra. PFS reps don't watch training tapes and then go out in the field, zombie-like, and blindly repeat something that someone said verbatim. Ron [2/5/2006 10:03:53 PM]
  • Response to Stuart Ron [2/5/2006 10:44:24 PM]
  • Rebutting Ron(ald McDonald) from Bonita Stuart [2/6/2006 4:47:12 AM]
  • Rebutting Ron of Bonita Anthony [2/6/2006 6:41:13 PM]
  • The usual name calling from a so called PFS professional Skull Pilot [2/7/2006 5:07:40 AM]
  • Response to the 3 amigos Ron [2/7/2006 7:09:39 PM]
  • Rebutting Ron Leroy [2/8/2006 1:33:56 AM]
  • gee Ron, you're scaring me Skull Pilot [2/8/2006 3:26:13 AM]
  • Lets do the math PFS Ron Leroy [2/8/2006 12:10:41 PM]
  • Loan Lesson for Leroy and Skull Pilot Ron [2/8/2006 4:15:17 PM]
  • Crimerican Ron admits Crimerica discriminates against women ..just another shiller for Crimerica Stuart [2/8/2006 6:27:02 PM]
  • Ron, you call me naive? Skull Pilot [2/9/2006 6:24:07 AM]
  • Chargeback clarification for Stuart Anthony [2/9/2006 11:39:32 AM]
  • Skull, we make SURE they invest the difference Ron [2/9/2006 2:51:19 PM]
  • Anthony, do you even have a clue? Ron [2/9/2006 3:25:28 PM]
  • Game , set, match point Leroy [2/9/2006 4:31:22 PM]
  • selling lowest price Leroy [2/9/2006 4:47:58 PM]
  • Another rebuttal to Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/9/2006 5:31:34 PM]
  • Let the readers decide oh Great Ron Anthony [2/9/2006 6:48:38 PM]
  • Primerica is for the little guy Leroy [2/9/2006 8:03:28 PM]
  • Rebuttal to Stuart & Leroy Ron [2/10/2006 1:46:46 AM]
  • Leroy proves that Crimerica discriminates against women and the middle class Stuart [2/10/2006 4:48:08 AM]
  • Keep up thr name calling Ron. Skull Pilot [2/10/2006 6:28:06 AM]
  • SKULL & STUEY - EVERY successful company in the world employs 'underlings'...which they are fond of calling employees. Ron [2/10/2006 5:44:58 PM]
  • Responding to Skull Pilot (Alaska) Stuart [2/10/2006 5:57:25 PM]
  • why would the couple in question pay $100 a month more in premium with Primerica in order to have the option of MAYBE lowering their death benefit and premium in later years? Leroy [2/10/2006 7:29:32 PM]
  • Theory of Diminishing Responsibility Leroy [2/10/2006 7:45:36 PM]
  • Very interesting statement Leroy (Tulare) Stuart [2/11/2006 5:19:05 AM]
  • why mutual funds took big drops Leroy [2/12/2006 3:41:23 AM]
  • Correcting Ron (Bonita) and responding to Leroy Stuart [2/12/2006 5:41:27 AM]
  • Stuart must be smoking crack... Ron [2/12/2006 9:45:04 PM]
  • Ron..look at the other thread about Primerica ripoff. Leroy [2/13/2006 9:13:35 PM]
  • Leroy, I couldn't say for sure... Ron [2/14/2006 12:04:56 PM]
  • Rebutting Crimerican Ron's postings of 2/12 and 2/14 Stuart [2/14/2006 6:18:35 PM]
  • how is primerica NOT a ripoff Tyler [2/15/2006 12:10:14 PM]
  • Apples and Oranges Ken [2/16/2006 10:40:16 AM]
  • Ron , re: lady complaining Leroy [2/16/2006 12:35:01 PM]
  • A whale of a tale (rebutting Ken from Dundalk) Stuart [2/16/2006 6:28:38 PM]
  • Stuart from NJ apparently rode the short bus to 'school' Ron [2/17/2006 1:45:05 AM]
  • Response to Tyler Ron [2/17/2006 2:21:53 AM]
  • Primerica is just another Amway Eduardo [2/17/2006 3:25:16 PM]
  • Rebutting clueless Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/17/2006 6:10:58 PM]
  • Enough is Enough Bill [2/17/2006 10:55:31 PM]
  • doing what is right 100% of the time Leroy [2/18/2006 2:11:11 AM]
  • here is a suggestion Tom [2/19/2006 1:57:21 AM]
  • Response to Eduardo Ron [2/19/2006 4:35:06 AM]
  • Responding to Tom (Gahanna) - You could set an example for Crimericans. Stuart [2/19/2006 8:54:37 AM]
  • Stuart's Inane Ranting Ron [2/19/2006 10:39:59 AM]
  • Time for classroom lessons Ron (Bonita) you're doing more to discredit Crimerica than I ever could Stuart [2/19/2006 3:17:06 PM]
  • Stuart, you are a buffoon Ron [2/19/2006 7:57:44 PM]
  • Leroy you have issues! Bill [2/19/2006 11:12:20 PM]
  • Note to Tom Bill [2/19/2006 11:58:37 PM]
  • RON, ENOUGH DEFENDING THIS DUMP, YOU DONT MAKE THE MONEY YOU CLAIM Tyler [2/20/2006 11:00:04 AM]
  • Bill in Fredriksburg...YES, I have issues with primerica........I don't like the way primerica cyncically overcharges its customers, underpays its agents, and then brainwashes all of them into thinking they are doing them a favor. Leroy [2/20/2006 2:11:39 PM]
  • Trainers have to get paid? Skull Pilot [2/20/2006 4:03:14 PM]
  • Rebutting Loser Ron (Bonita) Stuart [2/20/2006 6:55:37 PM]
  • Primerica lies and uses dirty techniques to recruit Gary [2/20/2006 10:43:27 PM]
  • Competitiveness Gary [2/20/2006 10:44:26 PM]
  • I am not buying for a minute that you are just concerned about the clients out there, or the PFS agents, because if really were concerned about clients, there are firms out there that are RAPING customers Ron [2/20/2006 11:58:51 PM]
  • Rebutting Gary (Curits Bay) Stuart [2/21/2006 2:13:25 AM]
  • I have a life Ron. It's obvious that you don't. - You exploit new recruits so you can make money and freeze them out of commisons all the while telling them that they own their business. Skull Pilot [2/21/2006 7:44:46 AM]
  • Stuart, here's your olive branch... Ron [2/21/2006 11:06:10 AM]
  • Ron- nice tirade Leroy [2/21/2006 6:21:59 PM]
  • Responding to Ron from Bonita and another Public Service Announcement Stuart [2/21/2006 6:55:50 PM]
  • Easy, Skull Pilot... Ron [2/21/2006 8:38:16 PM]
  • Rebuttal to Ron (Bonita)... What does up front cash prove? And other Primerica comments... Gary [2/21/2006 9:51:30 PM]
  • Wrong Again Ron Skull Pilot [2/22/2006 4:02:55 AM]
  • $100k to start an agency???? Laughable! typical primerica RVP Leroy [2/23/2006 12:05:37 AM]
  • Gary, you are wrong. Ron [2/23/2006 12:38:47 AM]
  • Others things illinformed primericans have stated Leroy [2/23/2006 1:41:13 AM]
  • I love how you deflect my points Ron. Skull Pilot [2/23/2006 3:39:37 AM]
  • Making More Money for Primerica trainees: Stuart [2/23/2006 5:00:20 AM]
  • Rebuttal to Ron Edwin [2/23/2006 6:03:51 AM]
  • Edwin in Mississippi Leroy [2/23/2006 10:38:04 PM]
  • Um..... Pyle [2/25/2006 9:54:05 PM]
  • Both arguments are pathetic Steve [2/26/2006 12:10:10 AM]
  • The secret to making more money from Primerica Stuart [2/26/2006 4:10:17 AM]
  • Steve in Vegas is a college graduate Leroy [2/27/2006 1:27:26 AM]
  • Pyle in Maryland.... you can only sell for one insurer? Leroy [2/27/2006 1:51:16 AM]
  • Step #two to making more money with Primerica Stuart [2/27/2006 3:43:57 AM]
  • Umm Pyle Skull Pilot [2/27/2006 3:23:52 PM]
  • Give it up, Stuart Ron [2/27/2006 11:39:32 PM]
  • Food for thought Clint [2/28/2006 1:57:03 AM]
  • Reenforcement lesson time on Making More Money at Primerica Stuart [2/28/2006 5:17:57 AM]
  • Taking advantage of the Primerica opportunity for new agents Stuart [2/28/2006 7:45:35 PM]
  • leroy, rebuttal Steve [2/28/2006 10:01:39 PM]
  • Ponzi Scheme? History lesson Clint [3/1/2006 1:57:30 AM]
  • wow Ken [3/6/2006 8:29:59 PM]
  • They said that I was so good at selling that they wanted me to Manage their office with them. J [3/6/2006 10:38:30 PM]
  • It is too late to save you Damon [3/7/2006 2:39:14 AM]
  • Inside Secrets to Milking Primerica for All it's Worth Stuart [3/7/2006 6:00:02 PM]
  • Its All Political!!! Gene [3/7/2006 9:25:33 PM]
  • Stuart, GET OVER IT Ron [3/8/2006 12:45:22 AM]
  • Bottom line w/ Primerica What are you waitng for???? Randall [3/8/2006 1:08:12 PM]
  • ken...you could have done better Leroy [3/8/2006 1:19:15 PM]
  • Primerica IS legal...and it DOES work Leroy [3/8/2006 1:29:23 PM]
  • No. 18 on making the most of the Primerican opportunity (for new agents) Stuart [3/8/2006 7:00:10 PM]
  • you should be ashamed... Sara [3/18/2006 4:18:23 PM]
  • For trainees: How to increase your bottom line at Primerica Stuart [3/19/2006 4:47:58 PM]
  • Sara in Frankfort Leroy [3/20/2006 3:43:10 PM]
  • Leroy, you might want to focus on accuracy. Ron [3/26/2006 3:21:40 PM]
  • Reply to Stuart, although it is probably a waste of time Ron [3/26/2006 3:29:22 PM]
  • How new trainees start to make money from Primerica Stuart [3/26/2006 5:32:53 PM]
  • Stuart, you must have Alzheimer's Ron [3/26/2006 10:57:46 PM]
  • Understand... Tony [3/27/2006 2:21:56 AM]
  • For newbies: How to further your opportunity at Primerica Stuart [3/27/2006 4:18:45 AM]
  • Hi Boys. Did you miss me? Skull Pilot [3/27/2006 3:12:24 PM]
  • Primerica is an amazing company Myah [3/27/2006 3:34:47 PM]
  • The Nature Of Business Travis [3/28/2006 4:43:26 PM]
  • Travis talks about 3 lies Leroy [3/30/2006 6:05:39 PM]
  • Insurance Operations 101 for Stuart Ron [3/31/2006 2:14:56 PM]
  • Primerica..shady H [3/31/2006 5:24:34 PM]
  • Getting started off on the right foot at Primerica Stuart [3/31/2006 5:58:40 PM]
  • A Better Way Joe [4/1/2006 5:55:00 AM]
  • Joe in New York found out what primerica hid from him Leroy [4/2/2006 2:13:20 AM]
  • All they do is pass the kool-aid Adam [4/4/2006 4:36:19 PM]
  • The real Primerica opportunity, revisited Stuart [4/5/2006 5:33:38 PM]
  • It Seems to me Taylor [4/5/2006 7:08:43 PM]
  • Taylor, it seems to me that you are spouting the same line of BS that every single primeridork parrots about people who think primerica isn't such a hot deal for the consumer. Leroy [4/5/2006 10:43:30 PM]
  • Newer Observation Rhonda [4/9/2006 12:58:11 PM]
  • Rebutting Rhonda (Northfield) Stuart [4/9/2006 5:38:08 PM]
  • Rebuting Rhonda Leroy [4/10/2006 4:24:47 PM]
  • An Honest Opinion Dave [4/11/2006 1:28:36 AM]
  • To Dave in Chicago Gary [4/11/2006 11:11:59 AM]
  • All liars... David [4/11/2006 1:19:38 PM]
  • Just contacted today Sally [4/11/2006 5:58:43 PM]
  • To Sally - in Staten Island Gary [4/12/2006 4:08:18 PM]
  • Important Safety Tips Matt [4/12/2006 7:41:55 PM]
  • To Dave in Chicago Leroy [4/12/2006 11:03:38 PM]
  • A College Student Perspective Clare [4/13/2006 12:42:01 PM]
  • Primerica Reputation Joe [4/14/2006 12:38:21 PM]
  • Joe in Texas asks about turnover rate Leroy [4/15/2006 2:23:37 AM]
  • It is funny! Damon [4/15/2006 10:56:37 AM]
  • Leroy apparently has NO business Ron [4/15/2006 11:01:24 PM]
  • I see Ron the Shiller (from Bonita) finally came back Stuart [4/16/2006 11:06:58 AM]
  • senior representative Robert [4/17/2006 9:13:48 AM]
  • Response to Stuart Ron [4/17/2006 11:35:50 PM]
  • Ok, I've read the 'For's and the Against's' Reggie [4/18/2006 2:13:28 PM]
  • So far so good..... Jymn [4/18/2006 6:24:58 PM]
  • In response to Jymn Joe [4/19/2006 7:08:42 AM]
  • Response to Ron Leroy [4/19/2006 11:16:35 PM]
  • Response to Leroy Ron [4/20/2006 9:27:30 AM]
  • Much Ado about Primerica... C.l. [4/20/2006 1:27:19 PM]
  • Ron in Bonita changes story Leroy [4/20/2006 4:23:24 PM]
  • possible reason for primerica's anemic growth Leroy [4/20/2006 9:04:40 PM]
  • How About some Civilized Conversation? Dave [4/20/2006 11:59:44 PM]
  • Leroy - off to the Wilderness Parks Gary [4/21/2006 4:48:05 PM]
  • Simmer Down Dave [4/21/2006 10:06:33 PM]
  • Facts are Facts Doug [4/23/2006 3:48:04 AM]
  • Hey Doug, What's up? Dave [4/23/2006 9:07:56 PM]
  • Whew! That's a lot... Dave [4/24/2006 4:51:53 PM]
  • Been a while, but... Mike [4/25/2006 2:37:14 PM]
  • Consider This..... Alvin [4/25/2006 9:59:27 PM]
  • Hey All. Dave [4/26/2006 1:15:08 PM]
  • Gary, dave, SMART Loans & other things Leroy [4/29/2006 12:56:36 PM]
  • Well Isn't that Special Dave [4/29/2006 5:48:13 PM]
  • Run, don't walk, as far away from Primerica as you can! Primerica [4/29/2006 5:56:33 PM]
  • Scheduled versus simple interest loans Leroy [4/30/2006 5:09:03 PM]
  • I choose to stay IN Primirica becuase they are a great stepping stone into the industry Dusten [4/30/2006 11:55:08 PM]
  • LOL - Dunsten Doug [5/1/2006 4:53:59 PM]
  • You people are sad Shannon [5/3/2006 10:52:21 AM]
  • Shannon in Riverside Leroy [5/3/2006 3:38:51 PM]
  • Adding to Leroy's response about PFS myths with regard to Shannon. Anthony [5/4/2006 9:17:37 AM]
  • Do they really have the consumers interest in mind? Robert [5/4/2006 10:49:04 AM]
  • Robert in lafayette Leroy [5/4/2006 1:41:39 PM]
  • You are NOT helping people! Dean [5/6/2006 1:44:27 AM]
  • Opportunities - your values, your reasons... Bob [5/7/2006 6:57:51 AM]
  • Dean in Zionsville is right Leroy [5/7/2006 9:01:34 PM]
  • Why I think this report got submitted. Richard [5/10/2006 3:21:10 PM]
  • Currently taking Life Agent classes through PFSU Jose [5/11/2006 9:19:59 AM]
  • Jose in Milpitas Leroy [5/11/2006 12:29:09 PM]
  • All too familiar...good and bad No [5/11/2006 1:51:39 PM]
  • No in Orlando Leroy [5/11/2006 10:40:42 PM]
  • most of you really dont seem to know what youre talking about Iril [5/27/2006 4:09:10 PM]
  • Please Explain Charles [5/28/2006 8:05:51 AM]
  • Charles in Baton Rouge what happened to #1? Every other primerican has been claiming Citigroup is the largest financial services company in the world. Leroy [5/28/2006 7:31:19 PM]
  • Charles, do your self a favor and listen to Leroy Jay [5/29/2006 5:56:38 AM]
  • Crimerica? Mike [6/1/2006 5:44:49 AM]
  • Mike in Oshawa Leroy [6/1/2006 7:57:47 PM]
  • A (Real) Financial Professional's Response Chester [6/2/2006 4:34:17 PM]
  • well said, unfortunately Jay [6/3/2006 6:13:01 AM]
  • Possibly a PFSU Recruit Maxine [6/3/2006 12:04:25 PM]
  • Primerica, A.L.Williams? Citigroup? Bruce [6/3/2006 3:35:48 PM]
  • Chester in Utah Leroy [6/3/2006 5:36:24 PM]
  • Maxine in Illinois Leroy [6/3/2006 5:53:25 PM]
  • Making money at Crimerica's expense. Stuart [6/5/2006 12:27:15 AM]
  • So Primerica attacked the host of this website - read this! Leroy [6/5/2006 11:09:10 AM]
  • Where can we get hard data on Primerica's services? Will [6/5/2006 7:27:09 PM]
  • Will in Fairfax - I have primerica's rates. They stink. Do a search for my name on this board and you'll find lots of places where I compared primerica prices to other highly rated companies. Leroy [6/5/2006 11:37:42 PM]
  • financial education Frank [6/6/2006 3:24:28 AM]
  • Responding to Frank, Las Vegas Stuart [6/6/2006 4:37:54 PM]
  • Response to Will's Request for Info Ron [6/7/2006 11:56:20 AM]
  • slightly more for a loan Leroy [6/7/2006 2:41:15 PM]
  • Responding to Will (Fairfax Station) Stuart [6/7/2006 7:48:54 PM]
  • Average People Peter [6/8/2006 10:51:53 AM]
  • Agree to Disagree Gary [6/8/2006 2:47:56 PM]
  • How to milk the Primerica opportunity for newbies Stuart [6/9/2006 4:05:31 PM]
  • Here is my suggestion Tom [6/10/2006 12:56:47 PM]
  • Same Old Same Old Stuart in NJ Gary [6/11/2006 3:02:15 PM]
  • Agree to disagree and then retreat...that works Leroy [6/11/2006 3:28:41 PM]
  • Poor Poor Gary (Wichita) Stuart [6/11/2006 10:02:32 PM]
  • Stuart in NJ Gary [6/12/2006 4:36:44 PM]
  • Gary still has no clue about rest of industry..evenm after being told Leroy [6/13/2006 12:45:04 AM]
  • Leyroy Gary [6/13/2006 9:11:31 AM]
  • Where do your loyalties lie (Wichita)? Stuart [6/13/2006 10:07:32 PM]
  • Total Ignorance....news flash, not all of us 'po' folks' are imbeciles Amber [7/6/2006 7:21:42 AM]
  • Meeting in IL Nick [7/6/2006 11:33:35 AM]
  • Responding to Amber (Regina) Stuart [7/6/2006 8:21:14 PM]
  • Primerica client, advocate, and future owner Madeline [7/26/2006 7:31:46 PM]
  • Don't these Crimerican bottom feeders ever learn? Stuart [7/26/2006 11:24:02 PM]
  • Madelline passes on some myths Leroy [7/27/2006 12:34:46 AM]
  • From Madeline in Primerica to Leroy and Stuart/My 2nd time now Madeline [7/27/2006 2:10:02 PM]
  • dear madeline Jay [7/27/2006 5:59:46 PM]
  • Something for Madeline (Long Beach) Stuart [7/27/2006 7:28:52 PM]
  • Madeline Leroy [7/27/2006 10:44:37 PM]
  • Primerica is Awsome... Robert [7/30/2006 1:28:11 PM]
  • They're crawling out from the woodworks again (Robert - Modesto) Stuart [7/30/2006 9:28:03 PM]
  • Robert in Modesto Leroy [7/31/2006 11:47:57 AM]
  • Customer Edgar [8/3/2006 9:12:41 AM]
  • edgar the typical crimerica moron Jay [8/3/2006 11:27:21 AM]
  • Edgar in LaHabra and not-so-SMART loans Leroy [8/3/2006 2:07:27 PM]
  • If It Walks Like A Duck, Primerica Says Its An Eagle Richard [8/3/2006 5:43:41 PM]
  • Hmmm.. ?? Robert [8/4/2006 3:19:50 PM]
  • Crimerica's version of Abbott & Costello whipping boys Stuart [8/5/2006 5:00:32 PM]
  • Responding to Robert Leroy [8/5/2006 5:35:34 PM]
  • Crimerica Andrei [8/6/2006 7:27:01 PM]
  • RVP takes commissions Leroy [8/7/2006 4:50:37 PM]
  • Jay you typical East Coast Jack*** Edgar [8/8/2006 10:07:28 AM]
  • Edgar Leroy [8/8/2006 4:25:38 PM]
  • poor edgar Jay [8/8/2006 8:07:48 PM]
  • Additional Response Jason [8/8/2006 10:28:11 PM]
  • Response to Leroy's Mortgage numbers Jason [8/9/2006 5:07:07 AM]
  • jason in st pete Jay [8/9/2006 7:13:45 AM]
  • Jason making extra $1,000 a month? Edwin [8/9/2006 9:52:55 AM]
  • nope, it ain't the simple interest Leroy [8/9/2006 11:53:22 AM]
  • it ain't Wal Mart and Target either Leroy [8/9/2006 12:22:24 PM]
  • jason, listen to leroy Jay [8/9/2006 6:36:46 PM]
  • This argument over mortgages seems a mite silly.... Thomas [8/9/2006 8:49:41 PM]
  • leroy corrects himself Leroy [8/9/2006 10:43:44 PM]
  • More Correction Leroy Edwin [8/10/2006 1:56:11 AM]
  • I Almost Got Suckered Kay [8/10/2006 7:51:54 AM]
  • I am addressing the moronic Crimerican whipping boy - Edgar. Stuart [8/11/2006 8:27:55 AM]
  • Reponse to stupid Stuart Edgar [8/11/2006 1:05:36 PM]
  • Rebutting Crimerican Edgar (La Habra) Stuart [8/12/2006 10:33:09 AM]
  • The only company selling term Leroy [8/12/2006 12:52:42 PM]
  • Response Edgar [8/14/2006 10:05:44 AM]
  • Educational commentary to shiller Edgar (La Habra) Stuart [8/14/2006 5:03:51 PM]
  • Real facts from the Federal Trade Commission Kalani [8/15/2006 11:06:48 AM]
  • So the Duck wears a chicken suit? Thomas [8/15/2006 1:57:40 PM]
  • Your Trustworthy Government at Work Thomas [8/15/2006 2:17:44 PM]
  • Crimerica's has a new FTC problem Stuart [8/15/2006 2:36:14 PM]
  • pyramid scheme, MLM or ponzi scheme..... Jay [8/15/2006 4:22:36 PM]
  • Primerica is a scam. Are 5 recruiters really ever egnough? Todd [8/16/2006 4:03:23 AM]
  • Our corrupt government hard at work Kalani [8/16/2006 11:24:15 AM]
  • PFS Rep's Story Lori [8/16/2006 1:13:04 PM]
  • Lori in Weston Leroy [8/16/2006 5:58:26 PM]
  • lori, queen of the absurd Jay [8/16/2006 6:01:21 PM]
  • Rebutting shiller Lori of Weston Stuart [8/16/2006 8:49:32 PM]
  • revisiting Lori Leroy [8/17/2006 1:47:45 PM]
  • revisiting Lori part Deux.... Jay [8/17/2006 4:21:09 PM]
  • Simple--it is what it is. Dave [8/17/2006 4:56:58 PM]
  • Business oppertunity rule and Primerica Kalani [8/17/2006 11:50:55 PM]
  • Rebutting Crimerica's whipping boy Dave (El Cajon) Stuart [8/18/2006 9:02:59 AM]
  • Dave in El cajon is truthful Leroy [8/18/2006 11:18:06 AM]
  • Response to Stuart, Jay, and Leroy Edgar [8/18/2006 12:27:42 PM]
  • dave in el cajun says it all about crimerica Jay [8/18/2006 5:20:21 PM]
  • who compared fixed to ARMs Leroy [8/18/2006 6:30:43 PM]
  • Crumbling Crimerica and the FTC Stuart [8/18/2006 7:33:33 PM]
  • As I said.... Dave [8/18/2006 10:56:31 PM]
  • Wow.. Tony [8/21/2006 1:22:38 AM]
  • Reponse to Tony Edgar [8/21/2006 8:52:14 AM]
  • To be honest, I think... Tony [8/21/2006 12:01:50 PM]
  • tony the toolman is the latest shill Jay [8/21/2006 6:16:14 PM]
  • Dave in El Cajon Leroy [8/21/2006 11:33:14 PM]
  • Tony in Texas Leroy [8/22/2006 12:04:59 AM]
  • To Leroy Dave [8/22/2006 1:41:30 PM]
  • Questions for Dave Edwin [8/23/2006 5:08:49 AM]
  • response for Dave in El Cajon Leroy [8/23/2006 5:21:31 PM]
  • dave in el cajun a classic crimerica turdburglar Jay [8/23/2006 6:42:22 PM]
  • Jay and Leroy Edgar [8/24/2006 10:23:39 AM]
  • Abbott and Costello live on at Crimerica Stuart [8/25/2006 7:11:40 AM]
  • Stuart, you might want to check this out Edwin [8/25/2006 8:45:50 AM]
  • To Edwin (Mississauga) Stuart [8/25/2006 4:10:34 PM]
  • Where is the rip off or scam William [8/27/2006 11:40:26 AM]
  • Rebutting Crimerican William the Shiller (Dallas) Stuart [8/27/2006 4:57:58 PM]
  • Edwin, Leroy Dave [8/27/2006 10:51:16 PM]
  • Dave in El cajon Leroy [8/29/2006 11:37:15 AM]
  • Leroy, give it up, your effort is worthless Jay [9/2/2006 7:00:13 AM]
  • Belated response for Dave Edwin [9/3/2006 4:48:34 AM]
  • Jay Leroy [9/3/2006 6:50:41 PM]
  • What's right isn't always popular and what's popular isn't always right! N [9/3/2006 7:10:56 PM]
  • To Jay (Little Compton) Stuart [9/4/2006 8:10:09 PM]
  • to stuart ( and Leroy) Jay [9/5/2006 9:27:26 AM]
  • Everyone with Primerica Edgar [9/6/2006 10:33:52 AM]
  • To set the record straight with Edgar (La Habra) Stuart [9/6/2006 7:42:40 PM]
  • To Stuart Edgar [9/7/2006 9:27:40 AM]
  • Sales is Exactly what it is .... Leshon [9/8/2006 11:06:17 AM]
  • Primerica, Most Aggressive Anne [9/9/2006 5:37:01 PM]
  • Upset friend Chris [9/10/2006 5:28:08 PM]
  • Personal Disgust with comments on both sides Mike [9/11/2006 12:45:04 AM]
  • Response to Mike in Canada Edgar [9/11/2006 8:23:25 AM]
  • Mike in Belleville Leroy [9/11/2006 10:57:43 AM]
  • Two sides to a coin Jonathan [9/13/2006 5:26:02 PM]
  • Another pack of lies by Crimerica's whipping boy Jonathon (Westbury) Stuart [9/14/2006 4:38:27 AM]
  • Jonathan...you missed the bashing? Leroy [9/14/2006 3:23:34 PM]
  • Mike Good Start Paul [9/15/2006 8:53:21 AM]
  • I'm here to fight profiteers too Leroy [9/15/2006 4:22:44 PM]
  • Responding to Paul (Brooklyn) Stuart [9/15/2006 7:44:17 PM]
  • Primerica is the amway of insurance J [9/18/2006 2:14:07 AM]
  • Still looking for a top notch comp that will sell term for less Edgar [9/18/2006 8:29:10 AM]
  • primerica quotes Leroy [9/19/2006 3:01:48 PM]
  • Response to quotes Edgar [9/20/2006 9:26:30 AM]
  • Edgar Leroy [9/20/2006 2:22:42 PM]
  • Edgar (La Habra) Stuart [9/20/2006 2:41:11 PM]
  • Under-insured and overpriced... Melissa [9/21/2006 4:08:12 PM]
  • Response to Leroy Edgar [9/22/2006 9:28:38 AM]
  • Following up with Edgar, La Habra Stuart [9/22/2006 1:16:19 PM]
  • Primerica arghhh Peter [9/25/2006 10:27:38 AM]
  • Instead of being contacted, I was dragged into the meeting.... Densha [9/27/2006 8:45:56 PM]
  • Primerica is for some...but not all Emil [10/3/2006 2:16:47 PM]
  • Why all the noise? Francis John [10/5/2006 10:48:45 PM]
  • Dr McGuire Leroy [10/6/2006 2:04:35 PM]
  • This all makes me laugh Newb [10/13/2006 8:28:25 PM]
  • Newb is new Term [10/14/2006 12:11:43 PM]
  • Rebutting Newb (Fort Worth) Stuart [10/14/2006 2:38:42 PM]
  • hey newb, is this groundhog day? Jay [10/14/2006 6:07:47 PM]
  • I am fortunate Matthew [10/16/2006 5:44:47 PM]
  • answer to your questions Jay Matthew [10/16/2006 6:10:13 PM]
  • Rebutting Matthew (Rancho Cucamonga) Stuart [10/18/2006 10:56:00 PM]
  • Responding to Stuart Matthew [10/19/2006 8:38:18 AM]
  • The Fall of PFS Francis John [10/19/2006 11:57:50 AM]
  • You continue to help people???? Paul [10/19/2006 1:11:11 PM]
  • PFS Sales Force is the Commodity Anthony [10/19/2006 6:32:03 PM]
  • numbers dont lie Patrick [10/19/2006 6:38:09 PM]
  • Patrick Fish [10/20/2006 5:27:51 AM]
  • Patrick in Orlando - SMART Loan Paul [10/20/2006 12:55:34 PM]
  • For Patrick, the answer is easy Jay [10/20/2006 4:44:59 PM]
  • Poor performer Alan [10/20/2006 9:09:53 PM]
  • the fact is Alan is yet another Crimerica Tool Jay [10/21/2006 6:21:23 PM]
  • General Michael [10/21/2006 8:36:37 PM]
  • response to Matthew - Rancho Cucamonga Karen [10/23/2006 8:26:21 AM]
  • My take on Primerica Ben [10/25/2006 11:20:44 AM]
  • God and Primerica Eric [11/1/2006 10:36:21 AM]
  • Rip-off...don't be fooled Joseph [11/8/2006 4:38:35 PM]
  • My Primerica Experience Sara [11/9/2006 10:36:26 AM]
  • Licensing for Primerica 'Advisors' C [11/9/2006 10:53:31 AM]
  • What you should know before you join Joe [11/10/2006 6:37:00 PM]
  • This was My experience... Keya [11/11/2006 12:25:43 AM]
  • PFS isn't for everyone but... for me, its all good T [11/13/2006 10:44:19 PM]
  • Question about PFS Mike [11/24/2006 5:24:27 PM]
  • an open letter to employees and reps of PFS Mike [11/26/2006 4:41:29 PM]
  • PFS benefits Leroy [11/26/2006 10:40:09 PM]
  • Everyone has there own take. I have had nothing but great experiences. Neil [11/30/2006 4:02:10 PM]
  • Make your own decisions Elle [12/2/2006 8:51:11 PM]
  • Primerica smart loans cost the consumer Leroy [12/6/2006 12:34:20 AM]
  • Leroy seems to practice fuzzy numbers Bob [12/7/2006 5:08:51 PM]
  • Answering Bob's question Edwin [12/9/2006 5:47:16 AM]
  • Other insurance companies rip people off everyday Lisa [12/11/2006 10:48:12 PM]
  • Lisa in Cleveland Leroy [12/12/2006 8:49:07 PM]
  • Question for Leroy Lisa [12/13/2006 12:18:32 PM]

Update

Submitted: 12/29/2001 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

,

..because you have a college education that your better then me?

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: mortgagewizz@aol.com
Their name: ray

Their relationship to the company: Owner

Rebuttal:
The recruits I met had little or no college education, and came
from a variety of backgrounds. I have no prejudice with working with a mixed variety of people, but I also work a job where higher salaries are based on education and experience.

I have a Master's degree and felt as if I would start from zero
with this company. I do not want more training for an entirely
new career.


So what you are saying is that because you have a college education that your better then me? That's funny. I have 1 sister and 4 brothers , all with college degree's. Now guess what? I make more then any of them in a year. Yes, you do get paid because of your experience with us. How many years have you worked for us? Did i just hear you say 'none'? well since
you don't have any experience you'll have to start where everyone elsedoes and work you way to the top. I love how this company rewards and pays the doers not the talkers.

Update

Submitted: 12/31/2001 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

,

TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR DOES?

They filed the following Rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: kendrabonds@hotmail.com
Their name: kendra

Their relationship to the company: Supporter

Rebuttal:
YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR THE RECRUITING, AMEN,ETC. PORTION AND THAT THEY NEVER ONCE MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF DEBT AND ON THE ROAD TO RETIREMENT. MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR DOES? DON'T THEY DO THE SAME THING(RECRUIT, HIRE TRAIN, ETC)DOES THE COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR EVERY DAY PROMOTE COMPANY AND ASSOCIATE MORALE AND GIVE YOU RECOGNITION EVERY DAY? NOT TO MENTION HELP PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS.

Update

Submitted: 1/1/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

,

No Ripoff Report posted has accused Primerica of racism.

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: bondjedi@hotmail.com
Their name: Michael Angelo

Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttal:
This rip-off report seems to be a case of 'piling on'. Primerica ripped you off because...they tried to recruit you?

Though unsavory some Primerica reps may seem, your comments about the 'mixed variety of people' with 'little or no education' makes you seem even more unsavory. No Ripoff Report posted has accused Primerica of racism. You, unfortunately, sound very bigoted.

Good luck with your 'Instructional Design' career.

Update

Submitted: 1/1/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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Response to College Education, Take a look, and Racism

This is in response to the rebuttals College Education, Take a look, and Racism.

I did not say that having a College Education made me better than any one else. It does enable me to be paid more in certain businesses and in those businesses one is paid according to educational background and experience. I did state that I did not wish to start at ground zero in salary or not be able to negotiate my worth.

Take a look's rebuttal .....Any company I have worked for has compensated as per salary daily rate for any training. Companies I have workded for have not asked me to bring friends to meetings or chastised me for not bringing friends to meetings. Furthermore, interviewers have always been able to provide answers to questions. Brochures about the company are given, etc. Yes, most company's are recruiting but most interview according to skills, experience, etc. listed on the resume. My background is technology, education and leadership. No where in the interview did any of my skills come to the front and discussed. There were no questions about what I do best in my expertise, or my weaknesses, or do I like what I do. I was basically told that I was in a dead end job and would never make enough money at it. No one asked what I did make. And, although it was mentioned that they help get people out of debt, the rest of the meetings and videos was all about how many people you need to recruit in order to become rich. I did not hear the philosophy of getting people out of debt as the focus.

To address the 'racism' or 'bigotry' ...there was no mention of ethnic groups and no intent; therefore, the accusation of my being racist is unfounded and reaching. I never accused Primerica of being racist, either. What I did state is If Primerica is allowing meetings to be conducted with chants of 'Amens' and 'put downs' of other jobs, then it is Primerica who needs to assess their bigotry and prejudice and lack of respect. For example, what if you had a Johovah Witness or Muslim among the group. Would not that be an insult and a valid show of disrepect to them? Any company who recruits a vast number of people must instill among all who represent the company the need to be 'politically correct', wouldn't you agree? A large company represented by a mast number of individuals has to maintain the integrity, ethics and morals in all aspects of its structure. I did not witness that in the last meeting I attended. Keep in mind that the video was top people of Primerica and people from all over and the chanting was allowed and encouraged. Even the people in the audience of the meeting I was in were chanting. Sorry, but that is not acceptable in a non clergy setting. Rather than being so defensive with some of these rip off reports, you who represent Primerica should seriously listen to how you are preceived by some, stop taking it personally and firing back with immature remarks, and use it to your advantage to make change. Shooting the messenger is not always the best solution.

Update

Submitted: 1/2/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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Obviously, you weren't having any luck with anything else

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: TrishMcD@aol.com
Their name: Patricia

Their relationship to the company: Owner

Rebuttal:
Well,there must be a reason why you were sitting in that chair. Obviously, you weren't having any luck with anything else 'going on' in your life. If all you have to do is sit around knocking other companies, you need to get a life. At least us at Primerica have better things to do like helping people climb out of debt, and become financially independent. Has anywhere
you ever worked help make a difference, an impact on peoples lives? This world is in a hurt of trouble as far as people being in debt and not financially secure.....perhaps you could look at the 'big picture', instead of worrying about people saying 'Amen'. ....By the way WE ARE the largest financial services company in the WORLD, we have over a trillion
in assets, does that sound like a cult to you???

Update

Submitted: 1/3/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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DOESN'T MCDONALDS FOCUS ON HIRING A TEAM AND MARKETING

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: kendrabonds@hotmail.com
Their name: kendra

Their relationship to the company: Supporter

Rebuttal:
YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT ALL THE MEETING FOCUSED ON WAS RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT AND NOTHING ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE GET OUT OF DEBT, OR ANY OF THE PRINCIPLES AND CONCEPTS THAT THE COMPANY TEACHES. DOESN'T MCDONALDS FOCUS ON HIRING A TEAM AND MARKETING.

ARE THEY NOT IN THE FRANCHISE BUSINESS? HOW DO YOU THINK THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY? IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT?(THIS IS A NO-BRAINER)THEY HAVE TO HIRE THEIR TEAM IN
ORDER TO MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK.

IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE AND WHAT THEY DO. AS FAR AS COLLEGE EDUCATION GOES COLLEGE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. THE AVERAGE AMOUNT TIME SPENT ATTENDING COLLEGE IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2&10 YEARS, NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ATTENDING COLLEGE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO GO, HOWEVER HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON SPENDS PAYING THOSE STUDENT LOANS WITH ANYWHERE FROM 10-18% BACK? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN DEFAULT WITH THEIR LOANS, BECAUSE THEY FOR SOME REASON(FAMILY, NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY, TOO MUCH DEBT TO INCOME RATIO, ETC)OR ANOTHER HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO PAY ALL OF IT OR EVEN BEGIN PAYING ON IT, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE DO GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE THEY ARE EXPECTING TO LAND A JOB RIGHT AWAY AND THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, AND FOR THE ONES THAT DO FORTUNATELY LAND A JOB RIGHT AWAY, TOO OFTEN MORE THAN NOT DO STUDENTS EXPECT A HIGH PAYING JOB RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE AND THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN EITHER.

SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, IS THAT A LOT OF COLLEGE GRADUATES DON'T EVEN END UP WORKING IN THE FIELD FOR WHICH THEY DID OBTAIN A DEGREE IN AND FOR WHICH THEY ALSO STILL HAVE TO PAY THE LOAN BACK.

WHEN YOU DO MEET WITH A POTENTIAL EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, WHO DICTATES YOUR SALARY, YOUR RAISES, ETC. IT SOUNDS LIKE PRIMERICA IS ONLY TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD BE GIVEN EVEN IF A PERSON DID HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION.

Update

Submitted: 1/4/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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..your ridiculous McDonalds analogy

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: hereinstlouis@hotmail.com
Their name: C.D.

Their relationship to the company: Owner

Rebuttal:

Kendra,

By your nearly illiterate posts and ALL CAPS, you are proving your opponents' point every time you post. Keep up the good work.

As to your ridiculous McDonalds analogy (which, by the way PFS uses constantly -- maybe because so many of its MLM agents come off the burger line), it's just silly. Can the McDonalds counterboy go out and hire burger flippers at will - ten of them, twenty of them, and then take a piece of the pie when they flip a burger? Can the fry guy hire 100 soda-dispensers and 10 janitors and hope to take a piece of each of their wages when they mop the floor? Can each of those janitors hire 150 toilet
scrubbers by recruiting at the other McDonalds?

What you are offering is not a job, and not a career. It's a great way to part with $200 of your own money and have less of a chance of being successful than if you went to a casino.

Update

Submitted: 1/16/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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I just received the same recruiting call.

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: abc@123.com
Their name: Voice of Reason

Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttal:
I just received the same recruiting call. Thanks to this exchange of information and the very poor representation made by those of you claiming to be part of PFS, I saved myself a lot of time. I also learned a significant amount about PFS (Which by the way is NOT 'THE LARGEST' IFS company...that's their parent comapany).

One point I would like to make to those of you involved in recruting for this company. It's one thing to misrepresent your product, which in fact you are doing when you're approach is MLM, it's another thing to be unable to recognize that that is what you're doing. That's the sad part, and perhaps why you are unable to obtain a straight forward job helping others
financialy.

Update

Submitted: 1/17/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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I will site all lawsuits in my major report for all of you naysayers.

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: TheFraudChick@aol.com
Their name: The Fraud Chick

Their relationship to the company: Consumer Suggestion

Rebuttal:
I'm having an internal debate, but I think this string of shill rebuttals has set my resolve. In the next few weeks I intend to post a report about Primerica. In this report I will tell you all the REAL STORY. I want everyone to know that I have NO personal involvement with Primerica. I have no animus towards them nor am I a shill--so I hope you will find it objective.

I think you all will be surprised as to what I've found, for example:

Primerica is a pyramid style marketing scheme. Understand I don't state it's illegal, but it's marketing style is a pyramid.

Citigroup has been sued many times for questionable ventures. Primerica is one that is *currently* in question. There is no lawsuit for Primerica--yet.

Citigroup has paid millions of dollars in fines for unethical acts and business ventures.

I will site all lawsuits in my major report for all of you naysayers. I only ask that shills not attack those who have questions about Primerica. Who are you to attack those who have been harmed? It's their lost money not yours, and if they want to warn others so they won't lose money then let them.

Don't bother shilling this. Save it for my report.

The Fraud Chick

Update

Submitted: 1/18/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

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Another problem i have with primerica is that citigroup, its parent is chiefly recognised as a bank, or financial institution.

They filed the following rebuttal to the above Rip-Off Report:

Their email: sic_mp@yahoo.com
Their name: edward

Their relationship to the company: Owner

Rebuttal:
Primerica meeting smells like Amway

I sat in on a Primerica meeting recently and took some fascinating notes (actual numbers, not fantastic mystical possibly drug induced magic projected numbers) Number of times the word 'oppertunity' mentioned - 18 'Fantastic', 'dynamic' or 'amazing' mentioned - 20 'financially independent' - 8
'missed oppertunity' - 14 'make your money work for you' - 4
number of times 'how banks rip you off' demonstrated - 6
number of times the above used hard figures - 0 number of times catch phrases or buzz words ('live the dream', 'make your
money work for you', 'financially independent',etc...)used - 16

They used the tried-and-true method of 'pitch and toss', which is after 3-5 minutes a presenter passes it on to another presenter. They reiterated the idea that the job you are at is 'based on the position and not the person', dehumanising the way your boss views you.

And what the hell is with the rule of 72? is it me or is this the same math used to say the bush tax cut would preserve the surplus?

Another problem i have with primerica is that citigroup, its parent is chiefly recognised as a bank, or financial institution. Primerica recruiters constantly berate banks but glorify citigroup's size and its internal capital as its gauge of growth potential. (basically biting the hand that feeds)

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/11/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Paul

Grover Beach , California

Recently contacted ..I would like to thank the person who started this site

I would like to thank the person who started this site and the person who started this Report. I was recently contacted and met with a recuiter who told me I helped them and wanted to offer me a job (as a Manager) but it struck me as odd that she had to talk to her manager to hire me because she alreadly talked to him just to be able to leave the office to talk to me.

She also didn't answer any of my question but said that all of my questions would be answered in the night interview which also seems odd that a finical company would be having an interview for people at 7 P.M. with a large group of people. As for this company offer I am choosing not to be a part of it.

I do find some comments funny from some of the owners that one stated someting about the person who started this report had time to sit on their but and write this yet they claim the are not a ripoff yet they searched for their company in a RIP OFF REPORT SITE. This was just one Major red flag telling me not join this company.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/12/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Justus

Bel Air , Maryland

The root cause of all evil at Primerica

Most companies in the Financial Services industry including AMEX, Merryll Lynch etc., require the management to help recruit and build the organization in a manner consistent with Primerica. However, no one but Primerica ask that recruiting be your primary focus rather than developing clients who desperately need your services.

I cannot understand why Primerica reps cannot build a reputable business in the traditional manner and then let their success drive their recruiting effort. Sell mortgages, insurance and mutual funds in the manner that best serves your client. When you do the right thing for your clients, you will naturally become successful. Once you are making over 100K per year you will find plenty of college recruits who want to emulate you. Once you start hitting the quarter million mark in earnings consistently, you may even find reputable, experienced and savvy individuals willing to be trained by you.

So if you lack the confidence because you cant pay your own bills, stop recruiting and start prospecting for clients. Ask your management to do the right thing for the client. Stop charging insane fees for mortgage refinances etc., and don't think Term is the only insurance of value.

Work for Primerica because it is easier to get started, but always do what is right for your clients. Stop recruiting at ground zero and concentrate of learning the products and how it can help your clients. Once you learn to provide an outstanding value for your clients and gain a reputation as the best in the business, start recruiting. Its that simple.

Good Luck!

CompanyOwner

Submitted: 2/13/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
CompanyOwner

Kent

Fort Scott, Kansas

Primerica's true value *EDitor's Comment. Owner of what? .. more drivel

Primerica Financial Services offers tremdous products and is providing a very viable financial solution to middle-class consumers.

I am a senior in Finance at Pittsburg State University. I am one of the top students in my class and have been heavily recruited by financial companies such as American Century and Merrill Lynch. However, when I analyzed the services offered by these other companies I concluded that the many of the products sold were not in the consumers' best interest. When you really analyze different financial instruments such as Variable Universal Life and Variable Annuities you see that in MOST cases they are not good options. In all cases, the correct products should be sold to meet the specific needs of the consumer.

Primerica's Financial Needs Analysis is actually a tremendous financial planning tool and the fact that it is complementary is a very positive thing.

If some representatives of Primerica push products that are not well suited for consumers, than that is a bad reflection on them and our company. Ultimately, people need to be responsible and do what's right. The professionalism of Primerica's leadership is solid and the company provides great support and educational training. If you are a good person, this company has a tremendous opportunity for you.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/16/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Teri

San Luis Obispo , California

I had an ironically similar interview as the original complaint.

Thank you for reporting your experience at a recruitment interview for Primerica. I happened to accidentally come accross this Rip off site in my search about the company and it's tacktics. I too fell victim to an interview and I saw red flags.

My experience was very much like yours in which the recruiter did not have my resume handy that they claimed they got off a reputiable Job search site. I asked the same kind of questions as you did as to why they thought I would be a good candidate when I did not have any financial background.

I do have a college education and I thought it was ironic that I too am a Designer like you are. My experience was verbatum like yours except I only had one individual in the interview but I was baited to come to the interview by a male representative/'Owner' and when I got to the interview it was a female/'Owner'. It ended up being an introduction meeting and she was not interested at all in what I could offer the company.

They did mention Management potential for a new branch they wanted to open up in my city - prompted by my questions about management.

They did not ask about my background but they talked about what they could do for people to get them out of debt and there program of operation. I felt like I was in a sales pitch, much the way I work in my sales position I have now.

They did recommend I keep my present job since the work is part time and they did say that it would cost me $199 to start the application process for the JOB! I have never had to pay someone to apply for a position in my life - BIG RED FLAG!

Sure they made it sound attractive and like it was a good deal being that they would train and pay my licensing fees. But thanks for my mothers wisdom - 'Nothing is for Free!' Also they scheduled me for a second interview where I can ask all my questions about the position of which is still not defined - It could be a management position or just an entry level Personal Financial Analyst. I guess if I went to the second interview I would possibly have more details or than again maybe I would just be out the $199 bucks and a bunch of wasted time.

Thanks for this site - as it made me aware of the snafooo I almost got caught up in.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/20/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

John

Honolulu , Hawaii

I was contacted as well....

Having once answered an ad by the now defunct-in-Hawai'i scammers Eqinox for 'a job' (the state of Hawai'i has since shut them down) this all sounds like deja-vu to me . I have gone through the same experiences as the original poster of this forum. I was just called this last week for an 'interview' and I just happened to ask over the phone what kind of company it (Primerica) was. They said they were a financial company. I think that they just pull people in their area's resume's over the internet regardless of their skills because I am not even in the financial industry, I'm a tech worker. I'd be very skeptical of this kind of company.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/27/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Sakura

Toronto , Ontario

Work on your HR skills, please

I am not for or against Primerica. I don't know anything about their business, or the way they do business.

In fact, I first heard about them an hour ago when I received a phone-call from someone at Primerica wanting to interview me for a job. They said they got my resume from the Internet. That's legit -- I've posted on the 'Net. But since I'm not actively looking for full-time employment (I work as a temp), I was a bit flustered, and set up an appointment without asking what job I was interviewing for. I assumed they needed a temporary Administrative Assistant to wordpro some documents, since that is what my resume indicates I've been doing for the past 3 years.

When I called back to get specifics, I was told I would be interviewing for a job to run their branch offices. Then I was put on hold, and I had a moment to think, 'What?! I don't have an MBA, I don't have a Commerce degree, I've never worked in a bank, I have no management experience, I've never even supervised anyone... what kind of company is this that wants to hire me, based on my resume, to run a financial institution's branch office?'.

When back on the line, I told my would-be recruiter I didn't want to waste their time for a position I was neither interested in nor capable of. I mean, who wants to work for a company that has clearly not read your resume, yet offers you a job?

It was only afterwards that I looked Primerica up on the web and found all this contraversial (and sometimes rather testy) information. So rebutt that!

Employee

Submitted: 3/6/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Employee

Steve

Edison , New Jersey

Good Points and Not so Good Points of Primerica

Hello Everyone,

First off let me start by telling averyone that I currently am working for Primerica. I have been with the company for seeral months and have read many of the posts on this site. There are very legitimate points being made both for and against PFS. I just want to touch on a few of them.

Everyone is talking about the $199 they ask for up front when joining PFS. Yes they do, but you are not actually paying to work for PFS. What you are paying for are the books and classroom instruction that you first receive, so you can receive your State Life Insurance license. Yes you pay an additional $80 to actaully take your state exam, but that is returned to you once you pass. So just like taking a computer course, driving lesson, or music lesson, you are paying for instruction on a subject. That is where your $199 dollars goes.

On recruiting, yes they is a large push to recruit. I have been pushed to recruit ever since I have joined with PFS... But I haven't. I started with PFS to learn how to handle my general finances, like credit card debt, loans, to better understand interest rates, and yes to make a little money. Which you can do without recruiting anyone. I have learned a significant amount of knowledge in regard to life insurance, how mortgages work, securities and mutual funds. That is the real benefit of working for PFS. I personally will not recruit until I feel comfortable that I have enough knowledge to teach that person I hire. I like helping people and the services we offer can very well help them. Each person has their own integrity level, some higher than others, but that problem exists everywhere in the world, not just in PFS.

I for one agree with everyone that helping the client should be the first priority. I have even helped some friend of mine out recently with savings and life insurance. It was a great feeling and that is what I personally am about. Not hiring drowns that use scripts and are just out to make money. I agree with Justus, the person who make the comment about building a reputal business before recruiting. I whole heartedly believe in that. Unfortunately not everyone else does.

For those individulas that are making statements in regards to the services PFS offer, until you are educated in the world of finance to the greatest degree, I think you should refrain from making un-educated statements. I think that the person from Pittsburgh State University is very educated in the world of finance, so he can offer a great insight into our services. Since I am not fully trained to that degree, I will not.

Yes PFS has it issues, just like any other company. But PFS is whatever you make of it, just like any other business. If you want to help people you can, if you want to make money you can.

Until you complete one of those free Financial Needs Analysis', don't knock them. In their simplicity or complexity, they are a great tool. As long as the person handles it correctly.

On everything regarding the legal status of the companies involved or the lawsuits and stuff. I need to do my own research on that, before I can make an informed statement. I'm sure that PFS and Citigroup have their issues. But what company doesn't.

All that I am saying is that you cannot judge PFS from the oustside of the company. Yes, everyone has very legitimate comments/complaints/issues with PFS. But there is some great to be done by PFS, if the individual person makes the effort. PFS is what you make of it!!

I hope that my comments here are found as informative and not aggressive. Yes I am partially biased as I do work for PFS, but I do not have blinders on either. Also, please excuse my bad spelling and grammar, they really are not one of my strong points. Oh, for those of you who are interested, yes I did graduate High School and yes I do have a college degree, just not in grammar. :)

Best Regards,
Steven


P.S. Kent from Fort Scott. That spelling error was a really cheap shot! Not being able to spell correctly while typing, does not show ignorance or lack of intelligence. But making that comment does, since it seemed you were reaching for things to comment on.

Individual

Submitted: 3/7/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Individual

Karen

Austin , Texas

Meeting set up Tomorrow - Not After reading Reports

I got a call this morning and a real nice voice came over the line and told me that my name came across his desk. He said he had an Executive Managers position open at this time and was wondering if I would be intesested in it. He was really nice, we joked and all that and it sounded really pretty interesting.

He did tell me it was part time and it was commission only and that there was a possibility of making $100k. Well I have heard of the company, Primerica so it didn't sound too bad and thought, what have I got to lose, just go hear what he has to say. So I said yes I will meet you at 10:30.

Well guess what folks, not only am I going to meet with him and listen to him, but when he finishes, I am going to have a printout of everything I have read on this site regarding Primerica. At that point, I will stand up and say NO but HELL NO!

I am convinced that with supposedly a large corporation like they say they are, that there would be more positive things on the internet regarding their company. Good lord! not all the negative things that I have found. I found a lot more negative than anything positive.

I urge people to stay away. You choice, but it sounds pretty scary.

Good luck if you do.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/8/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Russell

fredericksburg , Virginia

primerica is a mlm scam and the people that are involved with them are brain washed and to stupid to relieze this

I was recently contacted by 2 different primerica reps in 1 day i told the first person that i wasn't intrested and not to call me so what happened later that day someone else called me and tried to recuirt me as they would say. anyway and why do they charge a 199 dollar fee is it for training you know if it was a legit company then they would pay for the training not the person and they would give you a salary based off expeience and college education so is primerica a ripoff i say yes if i get anyway emails from anyone from primerica i will take them to court for harrasment

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/10/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ExEmployee

Lonnie

Tulsa , Oklahoma

My PFS experience

I was recruited by PFS in 1996 and went through all the same stuff almost everyone on this site went through except I actually bought into the BS. I was with the company for about 4 years before I finally wised up. I am still in the financial services industry and also, working on a degree in finance. In the years that I have been away from PFS I have spoken to many finacial professionals who have nothing good to say about PFS. I have read many reports here about the FNA or financial needs analysis this report is just a marketing tool to sell products and recruit agents. It is not a ligitimate report. Almost everyone ends of having a 'shortfall' of income and of course this opens the door to the 'opportunity' meaning 'hey come sell some high priced life insurance and mortgages'.

PFS sells their insurance based on the premiss that it is 'better' than anyone elses and 'price is only an issue in the absence of value' what a bunch of BS. The fact is term insurance is term insurance and you can go to just about any insurance company and purchase it for less than a PFS agent can sell you theirs.

Also, they will tell you on their mortgages that interest rate does not matter. Do I even need to comment on this?.....I didn't think so.

Next, you can go to any other company and make more money. When I was in they started a 'greeny' at a 25% contract on life insurance and something like a 16.2% on securities or mutual fund sales. When I left and went to another company I received a 50% contract for life insurance sales and in about 3 months went to 80%. On securities I received a 75% contract. Currently I'm on a 95% contract with life insurance.

PFS recruits people outside of the financial industry because no one in the industry will work for them. Their products are high and their commisions are low. Also, these people know nothing about finances and definitly don't 'save peoples lives' as some have stated. I have many reasons to have left but one was because there was zero support from my upline RVP to get an education in finance to truely be able to help someone. All I kept hearing was 'recruit and build'. You can talk to any brainwashed PFS agent or personal financial analysist as they like to be called and you will hear the same BS. If your looking to get into the financial industry I say go for it it is truely rewarding to help people in need. However, do it through a company who's training is more than just how to recruit 'greenies'.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/18/2002 12:00:00 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Sonja

Toronto , Ontario

Primerica: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

I am not an employee of Primerica. But I did sign up a few months ago to be a rep. Since then, I have resigned but reasons different than what I have read here so far.

I am very, very impressed with their products. I am impressed that they are one of the only, if not the only company that paid out full claims to the families of the victims lost in the Sept. 11 tragedy, within 5 days of receiving the death certificates. Many other insurance companies waffled and claimed that tragedy to be an 'Act of War' therefore nullifying their obligation to pay out the claims. Not only that, the Primerica claims were about 4 times what most other insurance companies would have paid out.

I love the company and the potential it has. The reason I quit is because I dislike the person and his wife who were my sponsors to the point that I choose not to work with them and I choose to make sure that they nor anyone above them makes any money off of my work. I will rejoin again after waiting the 6 months, under someone else that I respect very much and yes, that means repaying the $199. But it's so worth it to me.

The Good:
The products

The Bad:
Some of the reps out there with their ethics. They are not supposed to imply that they are offering anyone a job. That's a no-no.

The Ugly:
The fact that they continue to engage in unethical behaviour. I personally wish that consumers report such reps to the head office because often without that, it is hard to discipline or remove them.

For some of the complaints here, I wonder how far back their experiences go, because Primerica has seen some major changes in the last 2 years. Yes, I know the calls of job opps are current and that's unfortunate. But there are some very good, hardworking, ethical reps out there who truly do care about the customer first.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 4/14/2002 10:16:04 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Lloyd

Valley Center , California

Primerica is NOT For everyone.......

Thank You for this forum.

I currently work with Primerica Financial Services. As a Personal Financial Analyst.

I would like to comment on the Chanting and Amen etc.
We don't chant at the training sessions but sometimes we cheer.

Most of us have personally experienced abuse by the Financial Industry.

We are mortified at some of the things we see while using the Financial Needs Analysis.
How do you tell a client that the mortgage She has been paying for the past 28years is interest
only and in 2 years (when she wanted to retire) instead she needs to come up with a balloon payment for the original purchase amount?
I guess the real question is, how could you sell
anyone a product like that in the first place?

This brings me to the Amen part.
Primerica and Citigroup stress 3 things.
God
Family
Business
In that order, In God we trust.

Recruiting IS stressed, we are looking for Sharp people, that's probably why YOU were contacted.

We offer the opportunity to everyone, but the Opportunity is not for everyone! As with anything
worthwhile it's a lot of hard work.
Thanks....

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/21/2002 6:06:55 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

C

Chicago , Illinois

preaching your faith

If they are so holy and do what's right, how come PFS lies, as proven by the following scenario? This was also reported in a separate rip off report.

You may want to look at www.geocities.com/pfs_sux/loan.jpg.

That is documented proof of how Primerica misrepresents their ridiculous refi's.

In short, they compare the check you currently write - which includes P&I, taxes, hazard insurance, and PMI - to the check you would write to PFS - which includes P&I *only*. With PFS, your taxes and insurance would be separate checks. But as the document shows, they misrepresent this difference as an actual savings. It most certainly is not.

Why do they do this? It's becase their loans, even straight refi's to good borrowers, have extremely high interest rates. When that document was scanned, the market was at around 7% for that loan. Look at the PFS rate!! It's at 9%! Of course nobody would take that loan. But PFS's market consists of typically those uneducated in finance. They pull this little trick that I'm talking about, and hope that the borrower doesn't notice that their actualy monthly outlay will be LARGER.

Some PFSers will try to obfuscate this issue with the bi-weekly setup that PFS offers. Don't be fooled! The scanned document misrepresents the loan even prior to pulling the bi-weekly card.

Would you want to go with a lender that misrepresents - even quantifies - their loans that way? This is the first step -- to pretend to save the consumer money. Then they can use this false - but quantified - savings to sell [extra] life insurance and commissioned mutual funds. Do you want to be a part of that?

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/25/2002 11:26:08 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Andrew

Alexandria , Virginia

God and my money

Thank you for informing us that citigroup is a monotheistic corporation which places GOD and family before business. I have accounts with citigroup private banking and as of this afternoon I was not aware business was being run out of Lynchberg Virginia.

This afternoon I will contact my bank just to verify which GOD Citigroup employees pray to, and if there is a policy regarding religious beliefs.Hmm, citigroup sends a courier out to my house on occasion, the next time I need foreign currency I'll request a copy of Luthers Freedom of a Christian.

This response is not meant to offend anyone, and it should not, because it is ridiculous, but no more so than stating GOD as the first priority in a business that idolizes CASH!!!

If you wish to help people, try doing it without profit being your motivation. Giving your neighbor a computerized financial analysis and selling insurance is a job, nothing more.If you happen to work hard and do well, great, you made some money, but don't kid yourself into thinking you changed someones life. If you start to question the ethics of your company; well, you may be on to something.

I was invited to a Primerica orientation a few months ago and I'm still impressed with how flawlessly the meeting was executed and how difficult it was for me to leave when I declined the 'opportunity'. I'm going to write Sandy a thank you this afternoon just to let him know that despite how busy he's been, Primerica is doing a bang up job.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/31/2002 9:27:41 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

zeboolen

birmingham , Alabama

primerica - they own YOU

like joinning a mobster gang, you lose all your constitutional rights. you become an slave, a poor one. they are bunch of con-artist and own the judicial system. look at the cases they brought against their own employees.

Employee

Submitted: 10/23/2002 11:04:05 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Employee

L

rigby , Idaho

poor Lonnie ...More drivel below

So Lonnie,
You got to work for a different company and make more money? Small wonder since it is certain you now work for a whole life company, or worse a VUL company. Of course you make more now, the company makes more when you sell that crap. Which means what for the client? Less value for the money. Odd how that works out.
It is impossible to go to just any company for term. Why? Because agents like you are trying to cram whole life and VUL's down the clients throat. You won't give the time of day to someone who wants term. Why? Because your company won't pay you as much. Like 10 times less? Or more.

It just makes me laugh to see how people do 'research' on a hate site and make up their minds on the basis of incompetent, yet ubiquitous, imbeciles. Why don't you try to get facts instead of listening to negative fools? You actually make up your mind from this???
Its no wonder the world is falling apart.

Update

Submitted: 10/24/2002 1:28:54 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Update

,

EDitor's Comment to the Above Mindless Rant:

L - rigby, Idaho,

So you want to label anything that presents another side a 'hate site.' What are you a Nazi or a Communist? This is a consumer advocate site and you and everyone else should know that Primerica is part of Citigroup. Early this year we announced the connection with Enron and MCI and now the indictment have been handed down.

Read the other postings. By the way, Traveler's Insurance is part of this upline scam. Perhaps you would like to brand the headlines of every major newspaper in America 'hate mongering.'

ED Magedson
EDitor@ripoffreport.com

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 10/24/2002 9:05:57 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

George

Des Moines , Iowa

THIS DAMON SALESMAN IS THE DIRTIEST

my prime erica guy was this one:
Damon Y.

This guy tried to give me high pressures car sales guy technique. He said the things like 'Don't you ever want to be successful in life? Aren't you tired of failing?' and 'As a friend, I cannot let you leave this office without doing something better for yourself.' I said man you is wack and left with my grandmother.

I work at the Zooper Burger on the east side and he offered me a job while I was working at the register. He gave me his number on a peice of paper from his to-go bag. I called him within a week later when I remembered about him.

He seemed pretty spiked, but I've been working at Z.B. for over 6 years and it's not fun anymore. The recruitment 'interview' consisted of mostly hispanics and other colored persons while the 'making money trainers' were all white. I don't understand why they did not allow any ethnic peoples to become trainers.

Worst of all my grandmama had to wait there with me and listen to the screaming guy until I left because she was my ride.

I best be going now. Bye

Employee

Submitted: 10/30/2002 2:42:53 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Employee

Jeff

San Diego, California

Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy

It sounds to me that there are alot of college grads out there that are a little jealous that Primerica gives highschool graduates or average ordinary everyday people out in the real world struggling, the opportunnity to make more money than they have the ability to make! Sorry people,I know it took alot of hard work to pay for those degrees but if you would put as much time into your own future as you put on this site bashing Primerica, I think you would get those school loans payed off alot sooner! Ok lets get back to work now before the boss catches us......Oh thats right, I dont have a boss...I work when I want..Set my own hours. Maybe its because I have a business system that makes me money even if I'm not there. Good Luck at the 9 to 5.

Employee

Submitted: 10/31/2002 4:12:15 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Employee

DJ

Phoenix, Arizona

Complaints vs Compliments

Ok. I can see all these complaints here about the methods that Primerica uses ,
but not the company itself: you can't, the company is too well founded in ,yes, it's
mother company Citygroup. All I hear is 'thank God I didn't fall for that', or
'Primerica is full of it because it hires inexperienced people'. Here's my little story--

I got involved with Primerica in 2001 through my aunt. A Primerica rep had peaked her interest in maybe working for Primerica, and the rep had asked that she attend a meeting. She still being skeptical, invited me to go with her. Me being even more skeptical agreed to attend the meeting. After about TWO MONTHS of watching how it all worked (having no previous
experience in this particular field), I was interested in giving it a try. I gave them my $199 that covered the application and my other expenses.

My aunt who had suggested I go , however, was loosing interest feeling that she 'would not make a good salesman'.

Then we discovered that the rep that had come to us originally was under question by Primerica

for fraudulent activities which resulted in his termination. So this made her stop going
to meeting altogether which stopped me from going seeing as at the time she was my means of transport to the meetings. I contact Primerica office back and told them up front that I was not able to attend the meetings anymore, they understood and were nice enough.A couple of weeks later I GOT A $199 CHECK IN THE MAIL FROM PRIMERICA ,refunding methat which I had paid them, so in the end my initial experience with this company cost me nothing.

Seeing as I had just moved here (Arizona), it wasn't till about a year later that I was on my feet and had the time and means of transportation. Now I've been back with Primerica for a couple of months and making only a couple thousand a month at my day job, now I'm also putting in about 2 to 3 hours a week into primerica AND IT HAS DOUBLED MY INCOME going on tripling it and that's just me , I've yet to recruit anyone yet that would provide me with a percentage of their earnings.

Primerica does suggest that you focus on recruiting when you are new so that you have a group of people,hopefully people you know like friends or family to go training meeting with. This way you keep each other motivated and I seems to work. So it's not 'Don't concentrate on financing and helping clients just recruit others', it's actually more like ' Seeing as you're new in the business , bring others in that can come, to class with you and learn about finances and helping clients, WITH YOU'. This opens up these opportunities for others

and helps you in the end with extra in come, being a new recruiter.

Bottom line is that yes it all seems farfetched , yes they do mostly tell you the up side in the recruit meeting, yes the methods they use are unorthodox, BUT IT WORKS. The down side being that it does take time. I will be honest with you, if I had been lied to and screwed over by Primerica after the effort I have put into it, both myself and the company would be involved in a serious lawsuit. OK? Any other questions? comments? Some of the criticizing comments that I've read here are actually constructive criticism, but some of the others are not practical ,for instance a previous statement that seemed to portray an orientation meeting like a cult based on cheering and 'AMENS' or whatever.This is obviously coming from someone who has never enjoyed the benefits of working for this company.These comments are made by intelligent and competent people, but these comments are lacking logic and open 'minded-ness'

Also , my seeing the company firing a rep for fraudulent activity actually impressed me as much and anything else, because I wanted to come into this company to help others with their debt and open a few financial doors for others and make money of course ; however illegal and fraudulent activities will not be tolerated by me.

Thanks

EmployeeInsider

Submitted: 12/9/2002 1:51:29 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
EmployeeInsider

Don

Pittsburg, California
U.S.A.

Look before you leap into Pittsburg!

'Pittsburg' was not incorrectly spelled in the letter from Fort Scott, KS. Pittsburg, KS is about 40 miles South of Fort Scott. Nowhere was Pennsylvania mentioned to make the association. Pittsburg, CA also lacks the final. 'h'

I also have a degree in Finance and became a Primerica agent. I have found my degree to be a hindrance as I have never been able to lower all of the red flags. The emphasis on recruiting is unreal as there are sufficient rewards to recruiting even if most of them fall by the wayside. The biggest reward a new recruit brings is a warm market. Why ask for six references? A new recruit's references are considered the cream of his warm market and a great source of initial training appointments for the recruiter to reach before the new agent becomes life licensed and thus able to share in the commissions.

The rule of 72 is a valid financial rule of thumb, but Primerica neglects to mention that it only works in the short run when the stated annual rates are sufficiently compounded.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 12/11/2002 12:32:20 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Laurence

Bronx, New York
U.S.A.

DJ I hope that you are proud

Well DJ I am glad that you are making money with Primerica now! You are one of those people who I think are ignorant of their wrongdoings. In your report you stated that you were not familiar with the world of Finance and that you had only been with Primerica for a few months, so how much could you know? The fact that you feel that Primerica meetings are a good place to learn about Finance shows just how little you know. Primerica meetings serve one purpose: to brainwash the uninformed. Additionally, the fact that you think that it is acceptable to say Amen at meetings shows that your knowledge of business etiquette leaves much to be desired.

Another issue that was addressed earlier was the that of racism. The person who stated earlier that he thought the make-up of the meetings was strange was absolutely right. Someone with a Master's Degree should not be competing for the same job as somebody who is a delivery boy. If anyone is racist, it is Primerica. Primerica targets minorities from poor neighborhoods and then sells them a pipe dream. Primerica knows that 99% of these recruits will fail, because they lack the proper education or the necessary skills to sell important products such as life insurance and mutual funds to middle class Americans. What is worse is that they lie to these people and then get them to sell inferior products to their family and freinds!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 12/15/2002 9:36:43 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

I M

Dallas, Texas
U.S.A.

Disgusting tactics to recruit myself, family, and friends

Okay, I was contacted about two weeks ago to come to a 'group' interview. I had been to three before, and each of them were door-to-door selling jobs. I was a bit leary about it, but figured CitiFinancial is where I got my car loan from, I have three CitiGroup credit cards, and what the heck, right? So I went to the group interview and was a little disturbed by what I saw. I walked in and was hugged by a woman right off the bat. About 20 minutes later I found out that she was the one that had called to recruit me. I did not think to ask where she got my resume from, but I had been out of work for about six months, so it could have been anywhere. I sat down for the presentation, and right before it started, I was handed a packet of 'information' which really wasn't information at all. It was just the same catch phrases throughout with a bit of mumbojumbo thrown in. My hope for a new job started to fade. The presentation began and a man started talking about 'how great it would be to be financially independent and set for retirement'. He explained that he had been 22 years old when Primerica contacted him and by the time he was 24, he was a vice-president making 200,000 dollars a year. (I read a few ripoff reports that all had the same description of the presenter being 24 years old making 200,000 dollars a year. They can't ALL be 24 years old making the SAME amount, can they???) I was a bit naive during the presentation and heard the man out. What I should have done is gotten up and walked out. As soon as he stopped talking, I felt a hand on my shoulder, gripping tightly. I turned around and there was the recruiter, ready to talk over my application. I had written only 2 personal references because of the lack of address book, but she pushed for more family members and I ended up giving her the names, addresses, and phone numbers of EIGHT! I thought this a bit odd, but was still naive. I went home and excitedly told my fiance and parents about the opportunity. My fiance thought it was great. My mother, however, had a totally different opinion and tried to get in contact with a friend that had tried Primerica at one time. She wasn't able to contact that friend, but within the two weeks since the group meeting, the agent/recruiter has called my house SIXTEEN times wanting to come to my house for a financial analysis. THIS I found to be extremely odd, and never gave her a time and date. I wanted to be SURE of what this really was before I had someone in my house. Tonight she called and said she was a block away from my house and wanted to know if it was okay if she 'stop by and talk for a minute'. I told her absolutely not, and decided it was time to look on the internet and see if this is what I am beginning to think it is. I am very glad that someone started this forum on Primerica's fraudulent recruiting tactics. Now let's hope that this lady doesn't stalk me...

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 1/8/2003 11:20:35 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Sarah

Laguna Beach, California
U.S.A.

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is

I was just recently 'recruited' by a local representative who caught me while I was drinking wine. He loaded my head with great praise about meeting me at my current job, and was so impressed with my 'customer service' ability. I will take the praise, as I truely believe I do have great attributes that I can offer a 'company'. One of the main questions I kept asking was 'Executive Vice President?'. I was reassured that there is an interviewing process that I would need to be involved in, and as well there was 'thorough training to allow me to learn all facets of running my own office'. WOW! My own office, my own team SOUNDS AMAZING!! Sort of like the old saying 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is'. There was a little voice through my wine haze that kept telling me, this is really strange.... Executive Vice President of an office? I think after reading this website and reading the strange ideals that this company holds, I will place my time towards an actual 'company' where I will receive a dependable form of income, benefits, and a potential to grow like normal life gives. If I am missing the boat with Primerica, OH WELL!! I guess I just can't convince myself of being a part of something that doesn't sound very tangible. If I want to be a part of a Pyramid scheme, I will go to Egypt and check 'em out!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/21/2003 1:10:43 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Christopher

Akron, Ohio
U.S.A.

Primerica is a SCAM No matter what anyone says

Why is it that no one mentions once that the person who started PRIMERICA is nothing more than the worlds largest scam artist. To those employed by PRIMERICA: How many times was Al indicted in Federal Court before he changed the name of the company to PRIMERICA. Say what you will but the fact of the matter is, your company lives and dies on the ill fortunes of others and it IS a pyramid scheme through and through. And everyone of you attacked this gentlemen when even I did not sense he was being malicious in any way. That is how you work.

Anytime someone doubts the validity of your scam you attack like sharks in a wading pool of seals. Why do I know this: Because I too was baited into this scam about ten years ago. They bait you in, then once they think they have you they offer you this self-help manual and that self-help tape set. Only to be sure they haven't wasted any precious time with you.

PRIMERICA is a joke! I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU PRIMERICA EMPLOYEES (AND YOU TOO MR. OWNER TO DEBATE THIS SUBJECT ANY TIME ANY PLACE. GOOD DAY.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/26/2003 4:47:17 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Rose

San Bernardino, California
U.S.A.

The Original Writer of this report is 100% right!!!!! Way to go!!!

Primerica is a rip-off company. In fact, when i went for the 'BIG' interview (by the way, they told me only a few select people would be recommended for this 'big' meeting. complete bull.....EVERYONE is recommended to the meeting), after the interview ended, I was there filling out papers, and a guy said come with me, and took me to a room where other people were there giving out their credit card info!!!! they were interested in the classes....and i asked the guy do i get the job? and he said, 'oh, yea Dave said you were one of the ones he picked'. BULL!!! Dave was one of the hot shots that conducted the meeting, and not once did he speak to anyone after the meeting ended.

I didn't even know if I got the job and they were asking for credit card info!!!! I'm telling you....these guys are slick. They'll reel you in and you dont even know it until you're calling the credit card company and disputing the charge. And the idiot i talked to said 'i only work 2 days a week and i make 3 grand a month'. BULL!!!

I know all about the lecture they give......it's the same all over.....'LARGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD.....FORTUNE 500......1 TRILLION DOLLARS STRONG.....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.' IT'S UTTER BULL.

I MEAN THE initial INTERVIEW LASTED LIKE 5 MINUTES!!! IF YOU'RE SMART, YOU WONT RETURN THEIR CALLS. IT'S THE SAME OLD THING, 'OUR COMPANY IS JUST EXPLODING RIGHT NOW INTO ALL KINDS OF NEW THINGS, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO HEAD THESE OFFICES IN YOUR AREA. YEA....IT'S REALLY DYNAMIC!!!'

THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL TELL YOU....IN FACT, THE GUY THAT CALLED ME WAS CALLING FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND WHEN I CALLED THE COLLEGE AND ASKED FOR THIS PERSON, THERE WAS NO RECORD OF HIM.....STUDENT OR PROFESSOR.

THESE GUYS PROBABLY CALL FROM A PAY PHONE AND READ FROM THEIR SCRIPTS. DO NOT GIVE THEM ANYTHING!!!! IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE MEETINGS, YOU'RE STUPID. AND ALL THESE IDIOTS THAT SAY, 'PRIMERICA IS A GREAT COMPANY!!! I'M MAKING TONS OF MONEY JUST COMING TO WORK 3 DAYS A WEEK!!!' THEY'RE THE SAME IDIOTS THAT CONDUCT THESE INTERVIEWS.

IF YOU GO TO THE MEETING, BRING COPIES OF ALL THE RIP-OFF REPORTS TO THE MEETING AND PASS THEM OUT.....SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY THEN!!!! PLEASE DON'T INVEST IN THIS COMPANY.....IT'S HARD EARNED MONEY THAT YOU'RE THROWING AWAY, AND THEY'RE HAPPY AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT THEY SUCKERED SOME POOR IDIOT INTO THEIR SCHEME. TAKE MY ADVICE AND FIND RESPECTABLE WORK.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/26/2003 11:45:11 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Janna

Avondale, Arizona
U.S.A.

I too heard the amens

I was recruited by my husband's friend. we went to a meeting and it did sound good at first. But as the weeks went on the pressure to recruit mounted. The calls from them increased to the point of harrassment.

At one point they asked for my list to recruit my friends for me. I told them no, I do not want my friends called using my name as an opener. To me this was a glorified way to telemarket.

The people I did approach did not have the interest in Primarica and I started feeling cheesy. Still the calls continued..'you need to get some names..three more..you will never advance until you get more people to come to our meetings' We went to a second meeting where we were in a different room from the first meeting group.

There was more explained as to how to recruit. The paper said ' Show enthusiasm when you bring new people to their first meeting. Amens or yes or nodding your head encourages people to be more interested because you are interested.' We opted not to become involved but still the calls continued.

'How about the refinance of your home?' I had told them many times that I just was not interested because my rate was at 6.75% Finally I had to be rude to get them off my back. MY husbands so called 'friend?' have not heard a word from him since.

Individual

Submitted: 2/27/2003 1:19:53 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Individual

Harry

Wind Gap, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Primerica-a few simple points

1)You are not being hired as an employee with a guaranteed salary or hourly wage

2) Your 'references' are going to be harassed/pressed/pressured and conned into purchasing life insurance,auto insurance, homeowners insurance, mortgages, possibly securities all at non competitive rates AND you will be one of the people fleecing them.

3)You will be bethe one paying $199 for the privelege in being trained. However you won't be reimbursed for the time, money and travel expenses incurred while being trained to make Primerica money.

4)Just imagine going to McDonald's filling out what you think is a job application and having your new employer call your references and interview ALL 6 or more of them for the same job you went for in the first place and paying $199 for the opportunity to recruit others to do the same thing.

5) If you are having financial diffuculties look for a NON profit counseling service to help you or go to someone else who doesn't have a financial incentive to help you.

6) To be clear there are Primerica agents making real money, I know quite a few of them. Be just as clear they aren't selling the cheapest products on the market.

In my opinion, Primerica is an unethical multilevel marketing scam. If you are looking for a real opportunity in financial services look elsewhere.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/27/2003 5:56:33 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Brock

Ramsey, Minnesota
Albania

same bs interview

I was also contacted by a 'recruiter' saying that he had been given my name for a 'position' open in the area. I was expecting that it would be something in my field, and I do a lot of networking so I felt I should check it out.

I told friends and family that I was being 'recruited' for a job and I was excited to see what type of oppurtunity it was, and for what company it was.

When I talked with the 'recruiter' on the phone I was told to come in and the position would be explained to me. I traveled an hour to make it to this meeting, and when I showed up, I was very puzzled.

I was met by 4 people and than brought to a room. 3 of the 4 people (it ended up that they were already with primerica) sat in on the presentation.

As soon as it started I just thought to myself 'what kind of hoax did i get into here?' They pressed for information on from my and the $199 payment than and there so I told them I didnt have my checkbook because I felt trapped.

All in all I was very diappointed and misled, and I was expecting a job in my field rather than the long boring session of bs that I was forced to watch and act interested in.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 2/27/2003 11:07:01 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Darrick

Round Rock, Texas
U.S.A.

Primerica- a balanced view

If you take a few minutes to do an internet search on just about any company, you will find consumer complaint sites. This is especially true of many financial companies that live and die based upon personal relationships of their representatives and clients.

I have been involved with the company for a long time (around 8 years). Periodically, I take a look at postings on sites such as these and it is always the same thing both for and against Primerica. At the end of the day there are 2 distinct issues that people seem to have challenges with the idea of recruiting sales reps (the MLM factor, and in some cases a product may not be the most appropriate for a particular situation.

The Opportunity:

There are very specific guidelines on what disclosures should be made and when. Primerica is very serious about sanctioning those that violate the rules. If you have a legitimate complaint call 770-381-1000 (Primerica's main switchboard) and ask for the compliance section. However, do not waste your time if you are merely offended that someone would suggest that you start at the bottom and work your way up.

Primerica is built for people that do not have all the skills and options to create significant financial abundance for their families. For the 'pretty people' with the fancy degrees (myself included- BS Mech Engr from a top school) there is still a great opportunity to develop a great business funded through internal growth instead of going out and piling up tons of debt for the chance to make it in business. The fact of the matter is that this type of sales business is very competitive and has an extremely high washout rate. According to some industry studies I have seen published 90%+ of all people who enter the investment, insurance & real estate fields are working in a completely different field within 3 years! However, those that make it have higher average earnings than all career fields other than law & medicine (1990 Census).

While many reps in the field look down their nose at the recruiting concept, their bosses at the main office are trying to figure out how to get their troops busy helping to recruit more representatives. I am looking at an advertisement for a mortgage company (not affiliated with Citi or Primerica) that offers the same commission payout as our firm along with 'Team Building Opportunities for Residual Income'. The largest real estate company in our area does exactly the same thing. Amazingly, I have had dozens of representatives from other financial services companies make a negative comment about 'all you guys do is recruiting' and in the next breath launch into their own recruiting pitch about why I should come to work with their company! Hmmmmm :-)

All sales oriented companies recruit and get their sales force to help them, especially financial services companies. When executed properly, the role of the new representative is to learn the business of financial services and the business of running an agency. At the same time, the role of the experienced representative is to act as trainer and mentor while recruiting and building a team for his/her new reps. Unfortunately in Primerica (as well as most MLM type businesses) there are lots of excited & motivated people that still need more training and direction.

To offer the services Primerica offers is very challenging as a business model for most companies. Take our life insurance product for example. Most companies pay full commission rates on cash value type insurance (Whole life, UL, VUL). However, they pay discounted rates on their cheaper term products (typically 1/2 or less the commission rate paid on cash value insurance). Here is a personal example in my case:

$100,000 Whole life insurance $1,200/year premium
$100,000 Term life insurance $250/year premium

Now the agent makes $1,200 selling the whole life policy, but makes maybe $125 selling the 'expensive' term life policy!

Primerica markets term 100% of the time (please no posts about old policies that were converted to whole life due to terminal illnesses, I know at least 2 have existed in the past). If I were the cash value company, I would almost give away my term coverage also since I do not sell much of it anyway (86% of all new life insurance is cash value of some sort).

Either the opportunity is of interest or it is not. Primerica or anywhere else, there are numerous positives and negatives. Check out some of the postitives @ www.primerica.com

Visit the pressroom section and see what publications like:

AM Best Magazine

Success Magazine

American Banker

Money Magazine

Atlanta Business Chronicle

Investment Executive (Canadian)

have to say about this company and what we do. Locally, our office is one of the top investment managers in terms of assets in our metro area! (www.bizjournals.com/austin)

By the way, the guy that started the whole thing Art Williams is in Forbes Magazine every year as one of this country's richest Americans and he was just a football coach that started selling part-time to supplement his meager coaching income, and he even had a college degree!!

The Products:

High quality versus lowest cost??? Which one do you normally choose?

I review a website periodically on insurance rates to see where Primerica stacks up (www.term4sale.com). Surprise!! We are never the cheapest, but we are typically competitive. After putting in several scenarios, you note a few things:
1) There are groupings of rates based on the features of the policies
2) You have to make sure you are comparing apples to apples (which is nearly impossible even when you know what you are doing)
3) What you are quoted may or may not be what you end up with

As to the last comment, I attended a seminar put on by a competing company about marketing one of their products. Their pricing scheme was to do very competitve quotes, have the individual go through underwriting, and then disclose the adjustments when the policy was delivered. Usually, there was not a big difference from other competitive policies, but with 1600+ insurance companies out there, how many times is a person going to get poked and prodded just to get some coverage?

Investments- We offer the sames mutual funds that most other marketing groups offer with the same pricing mechanisms available. In a recent industry publication, of the 10 most respected mutual fund companies, we offer 9 of them.

Loans- I am glad that we moved out of the business of trying to justify higher rates because of our unique features (actually some S&Ls offer similar features if you ask).
When you are doing a consolidation mortgage, it is almost a sin (sorry for the religious overtone) not to accelerate the principal payment with some of the actual money freed up (sometimes the 'conditional loan worksheets to contain PITI instead of PI, however, that is addressed when plugging the numbers into the actual proposal for the client). This changes the whole picture of what a loan actually costs!
Most lenders apply principal reduction payments, but do no re-amortize the loan with the extra payments. Hence, until they do recalculate the balance and the interest due, the borrower is overpaying. The bigger the acceleration, the bigger the overpayment. I know this is hard to envision unless you write out the numbers, but as I said this is not much of an issue as our rates are very competitve for a given borrowers situation most of the time (I know because I check with other companies)!

Price really is only an issue in the absence of value! Otherwise, how do you explain all those people riding around in $50,000+ H2s when a nice $35,000 SUV would do just fine.

Seriously, the issue is are you willing to pay for the extras that you get. If the representative cannot explain the extras, then he/she does not deserve your business. If extras like guaranteed convertablity/renewability without medical qualification at the end of your insurance term are not important, then buy a cheaper plan that does not include them. If you are a do it yourself investor, then go do your research and buy no-load mutual funds or make $5 trades on the internet. If you have the same mortgage with the same re-amortization guidelines and debt elimination gameplan, then obviously purchase it.

However, what I have found repeatedly is that when there are glaring pricing differences, it is normally because of differences in product or situation and not price gouging and the like. Somehow we have developed 6 million+ clients over the past 25 years that are still on the books and they are not all representatives as we only have 150,000-200,000 currently.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 2/28/2003 4:42:17 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Hank

Annapolis, Maryland
U.S.A.

Wrong ..ridiculous, subversive loan tactics used by the company

Primerica doesn't 'free up' any money. Seriously, think of the class of people you're supposedly helping -- lower middle to middle middle class. Most likely, they don't have their own life insurance. So you can't 'free up' money by selling them term because it's an additional expense. If they did have life insurance, it would probably be term insurance, in which case you'd most likely be replacing it with something both inferior and more expensive. Even if they did have cash value AND replacement was warranted (which your analysts are unable to determine due to lack of education), Primerica would be far too expensive anyway.

Even if your analysis survives all this, then you have to turn to the ridiculous, subversive loan tactics used by the company. In most cases, the interest rate quoted will be FAR higher, and will be justified because of the ability to make extra payments. Consumers should find the LOWEST rate and fees, and if they choose to make extra payments they can.

But saying it's unequivocally a 'sin' to not make extra payments? Please. Why would you encourage a consumer to take a 30-year loan and then make them pay it off in 15 or fewer? Why wouldn't they seek a 15-year loan along with its associated lower interest rate?

And the advantage isn't as great as you portray it to be, due to the tax savings on a house. Of course, you wouldn't INcrease your loan term for tax advantage, but you have to consider it when determining where to put your money.

All in all, Primerica should not be giving out their brand of advice.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/3/2003 9:37:48 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ExEmployee

Tim

Conyers, Georgia
U.S.A.

Think what you will

I just wanna say that there ARE some of you people in Primerica that aren't concerned with helping people (as is one of your main points in recruiting)

I wasted my time and money to go to PSU and prepared to take the certification test for my license. I'll be honest, it was very interesting. I learned a lot while i dealt with Primerica.

BUT....the one thing i didnt like was my sponsor wanted me to attend EVERY meeting held. I felt like he was trying to brainwash me. it was the same recruitment videos, the same speeches, the same sales pitches.... WHY? I didnt wanna waste my time hearing repetitive BS. I like to do something thats either relaxing or productive. Going to ongoing repetitive meetings is NEITHER. Why waste all that time holding meetings when you could be out recruiting or selling more of your services? I even went to Washington DC with my sponsor (out of my own pocket) from Atlanta for one of these meetings. I thought it would be important, but dammit I felt like I was in a southern baptist church! No offense to any baptists out there (I was raised in a baptist church) but seeing all these adults have all these pep rallies to work is hilarious to me. Its nice to have motivation, but these ( I will no longer call them meetings, they are what they are.... Pep Rallies) pep rallies in my opinion are for people that have no self motivation what so ever and are weak minded. Do I wanna goto a pep rally or make money? Id rather make money. a few here and there is fine but why stress going to all of them if its the same repeated material?

I am the type of person that doesnt like to talk about doing things. If I want to do it , I do it. Dont give me a 30 minute explanation for a yes/no question, give me the answer and move along to the next topic.

THE main thing that makes me angry is that when it came to the end of my dealings with Primerica my sponsor brought over another person to train when he came over to show my wife what Primerica was all about, I was cool with that it didn't bother me as we all have to learn from somewhere. He sat down and we started talking business, mostly for my wife as she at that point was still not fully informed what Primerica does. He went through the 'Presentation' (sales-pitch call it what you will) and my wife was interested. Then came the point where I was supposed to buy life insurance. All this time the main selling point was 'Helping people'. At this point I had looked at my finances and had a get-out-of-debt plan and was actually AHEAD of schedule. I politely declined purchasing the life insurance. I had sufficiant life insurance for cheaper than Primerica offers and the sponsor knows this. I explain to him that my wife and I are doing well in our plans and are ahead of schedule on getting out of debt, but once again he insists that I purchase life insurance. I once again remind him I do not need aditional life insurance and remind him that he was just there to explain to my wife (as a friend) how the Primerica system worked as she was worried as I was all of a sudden am away from home and going out of town and she wanted to understand what I was doing. He at that point wanted to pursuade buying life insurance again, explaining that I could not sell a product that I do not use. At this point i whole heartedly agreed with him, and explained that in March my bills would all be caught up and i would be out of debt (What Primerica is supposed to do for you, get yuou out of debt) and at that point i would invest in life insurance, but at this point i was steadily focused on getting out of debt. Now is when he slapped me in the face. He told me (in my own house, in front of my wife) quote:'Well if you aren't going to buy life insurance then i'm not even going to waste my time with you. I won't allow you to 'Represent' Primerica if you dont buy life insurance'. I asked ' I thought you were going to show me how to get out of debt, wasnt that what you said? Well I'm not going to waste my time. Whats the answer? Of course i said no. and he packed up his presentation and left me hanging there, and I'm surprised i didnt slap him for being so ignorant. At that point I looked at my wife while she stared blankly at me ( i know what was going through her mind ... ' I told you it was a scam' ) and told her, well thats the end I guess.

I'm sorry but that is rediculous, I will help you out of debt for free, and you can be my sales partner and you can make money too!!! (reads fine print) .... ONLY if you buy life insurance from me.

And seeing this one representative makes me sick. not only do I have to see him in the office, but he is RARELY even there (which would be fine if he got paid hourly, or even quit but neither of those are the case as he is paid CONTRACT SALARY by taxpayers AND HIS CONTRACT IS STILL ACTIVE!)

If I needed church I'd goto church.

If I want to make money I'd go and do it, not wasting time talking about it.

If i need to get out of debt, I'll stay away from Primerica.

Not that im saying you cant make money in Primerica, but the antics of this one individual left me with a raunchy taste in my mouth and i can never look at Primerica the same way again... help people ... heh heh what a load of bull.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/7/2003 7:07:12 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerComment

Richard

Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Desperate Recruiting at College Career Fair

It has been awhile so I don't remember all the details. I would have more bad to say if I did, though.

About a year ago I came across a booth at a job fair held at the university I was attending. Anyway, when I asked what they did he told me that they trained managers. I was looking for a programming position and was surprised that they would be interested in training someone from the ground up. I had taken business courses but they were definitely not my primary focus. I didn't understand how someone without any real job experience, especially in the field of finance, and no experience supervising workers could become a manager. If it is that easy why recruit college graduates at all when a high school graduate would have lower salary expectations and would welcome training in a new field.

The booth and recruiter also made sure to point out Primerica's connection to Citigroup. It fif lend Primerica some initial credibilty in my opinion, but the information given by the recruiter was vague. He didn't even mention 'helping people with their financial problems' focus i've read about here. I'm not sure I would want anyone helping me with financial problems just because they attended a few seminars. After realizing I wasn't going to get any real information from him, I put my name and phone number on the list and was then asked to attend a meeting that weekend.

I figured right away that I didn't want anything to do with Primerica. Becoming a manager wasn't really appealing to me, and it also came across as something too good to be true.

After missing the meeting I started to receive numerous calls from Primerica. I never actually took the calls, but they went on for about 2 weeks. Any company calling you every day to get you to work for them is suspect, especially in this economy. If the opportunity was legit they would have no trouble hiring people.

Keep in mind that I have no experience with the companies business practices or its services. I am only relating my experiences with their recruitment process. It reminded me a lot of the language the MLM zombies i've come across have used.

BUT, judging from the comments on here, you would think the employees are working for Greenpeace the way they attack others for not changing people's lives. You also get the anti-intellectual vibe when they claim the college graduates are just jealous that a non college graduate makes more money than they do. How much do you want to bet these ideas were firmly implanted at Primerica seminars?

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/9/2003 1:42:32 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ExEmployee

John

Westminster, Colorado
U.S.A.

Beware of Primerica, I was recruited by a close family friend who had been recently brain-washed by the Primerica format for such.

First I would like to respond to the rebuttal titled 'Think what you will'. This person is right on about what typically happens at Primerica once they are able to initially recruit you.

I was recruited by a close family friend who had been recently brain-washed by the Primerica format for such. She introduced me to the RVP's (Regional Vice President)at this office,and there were 3 of them. Which I thought was odd since, they kept talking about needing to open up seperate offices. If so, why dont each of these RVP's have their own office? Everyone seemed so friendly and accomodating of whatever my questions were. They seemed to have what I believed at the time, were fact and data based answers. I felt that their meetings were informative and provided me with enough substansiation of their claims that it might be worth trying. After all, I was looking for an opportunity to bring in extra income without having to totally quit my day job in the medical field.

I was still fairly new to the area. I expressed my concern that I didnt know enough people, to recruit the number of people that they 'guaranteed' would make me successful. They explained that other 'agents' were barely able to keep up with all of thier contacts and would provide me with call-lists. All of the RVp's and higher level agents with cool nicknames like 'The Captain', the 'Finance Mogul', and 'our own Investment Guru' kept telling me that Primerica does not believe in cold-calling or getting leads from the Yellow Pages. THIS WAS COMPLETELY FALSE!

Throughout all of my meetings that I went to and the coutless Saturdays that I wasted hearing the same thing over and over again, I kept detailed notes of everything that addressed my 'hot-button'. How do I make what you guys first told me I can if I can be 'coachable'? 'Coachable' was one of their many favorite catch-words or phrases.
Repeatedly, they spoke about how much money the Associate Personal Financial Analyst (APFA) will make, so long as they recruited a certain number of people. Their rewards system was based on people recruited, and very little on actual business done.

After attending the classes, and finally taking the test, which I passed the first time as they said their classes would prepare me for. I did some shopping around for Life Insurance and compared that to what I had to sell the Primerica Term Life products for. I quickly realized that I can get insurance for half, and in some cases a third of what Primerica told me I had to sell it for.

Not only was this discouraging, but I was told that I was 'certified' to sell Mortage Refinancing after watching a video that described how to properly fill out the forms. I even received a letter from Primerica corporate congratulating me for becoming a mortage certified PFA. The first thing that I thought was that I was the last person that I would want involved in my own mortage or the refinancing of. I had no knowledge of the mortgage or home financing industry.

I was not at all comfortable trying to get someone to refinance their house through me. After all, that is a long term loan situation that most likely the unassuming homeowner will have to live with for a long time. There was always the so-called 'office' which Primerica tells us to say whenever our mortage or insurance credentials were questioned.

The canned response is 'Well, I have an entire office that works just for me. I have Insurance, Mortgage and Investment professionals who will take care of your financial needs. I am simply a conduit for your helping you to gain financial control and freedom' If anyone believes that then I have some ocean-front property here in Colorado to sell them.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 3/9/2003 10:33:58 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Garrett

Thornton, Colorado
U.S.A.

Does this at all really matter

In the entire sting of rebuttals and comments, I can't help the fact that 90% of all the 'rebuttals' is just personal experiences of being mislead in one form or another to be a part of the business. Whereas very little talked about what the company, as a whole, actually does for the middle-class consumer, And that is to simply educate consumers on a financial level. Those that are big in company take this to heart first and it does show. Then there are those who look at the money first and hence...what is being posted here is a result.

No one can rebut the fact that alot of the financial concepts taught by PFS is not taught in schools. If it were, then society as a whole would not be in dire straits as it is today from a personal finance perspective, wouldn't that be true?

Answer me this, when in school (high school or college) does it teach about different mortgages and how to read closing documents, truth-in-lending, etc? About how to find the best mutual fund for your savings goals? About the different types of life insurance policies on the market? About how to get control of credit and debt? The different types of retirement vehicles (401(k), SEP, IRA, etc)? Is any of this taught in school?

I do feel for some of you that had negative experience with PFS, but your situations are VERY rare and minimal as a whole. Meaning that even though PFS has strict compliance guidelines for all its represenative, there are going to be those that stray from it and you would become victim to it. However, there are a greater number in PFS that does comply and does the right thing for the consumer.

I look around this web site and see that there are other large companies that some people whine about like Wal-Mart, Circuit City, BP, Pizza Hut, etc. All are very large and successful companies, right? So just because some had a problem, does that mean you're not going to go to Wal-Mart anymore? What, am I not supposed to go to BP for gas anymore? All just because a few of you have a little problem with them. I've come across bad car salesmen before, that does not mean I'm not going to buy a car, should it?

But, we all have the right to freedom of speech. That's what my grandfather, father, and I fought to preserve anyway.

As far as PFS is concerned...learn about what the company does first, then talk. And remember this: DOGS DON'T BARK AT PARKED CARS! Think about it.

Employee

Submitted: 3/11/2003 1:58:31 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
Employee

Brian

Wayne, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Primerica Answers ..I would like to apologize for any of our representatives that have given any of you false or misleading information about Primerica Financial Services.

First off, I would like to apologize for any of our representatives that have given any of you false or misleading information about Primerica Financial Services. There are many offices throughout the United States and Canada, and unfortunately, some of the people who run them are not honest. Sadly, that's just a fact of life.

I would like to provide some answers to some of the questions that were raised in these articles.

Primerica is not a pyramid. A pyramid scheme is illegal, and involves people at the bottom of the scheme losing some very high amounts of money. For information about pyramid schemes, also known as Ponzi schemes, you can search Yahoo, or any Internet search engine. Primerica is, in fact, a multi-level marketing company (MLM). MLMs have had a bad reputation thanks to a few companies in the past doing things that were unethical and sometimes illegal. What Primerica offers is legal, ethical, and makes sense to the consumer.

The McDonalds example is a paraphrase from a book called 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' by Robert Kiyosaki. In short, the reference is that McDonalds is sells hamburgers as a profession, but is involved in real estate as a business. The information that we try to pass is that owning your own business and 'going wide' with it is just about always your best bet in terms of financial gain.

Recruiting is a very big part of Primerica. We recruit people to help an increasing community that is financially ignorant. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, and our purpose is to educate our clients and help them at the same time. Our best recruiting efforts are those who are also our clients. However, we also try to recruit people who we believe would do well in our business.

Our products are all financial, legal, and very good. Could you find something better? Probably. However, I would recommend you know exactly what you are doing before undertaking anything like that. What we do, as representatives, is help our clients organize their finances based on their needs and dreams, rather than their incomes. Most of us are disillusioned with the traditional financial advice we have been given over the years, and we pass on our information to others.

In response to some of the other posts, term insurance is the best insurance product for the consumer over 99% of the time. Ask a representative why, and they should give you three detailed reasons which are too long to go into. Our mortgage product, generally used as a refinance option, is introduced as long term (20 years plus). What we do is show our clients how to get rid of that debt earlier so that they are out of all debt, and can achieve what they want, instead of what someone else wants.

In closing, I would like to write my personal reflections regarding Primerica. I have been involved with Primerica for a while, and the people who stay in the business are generally those with the strongest appetites for helping others. Positivity is encouraged, positive actions are recognized. I can't say I love the company, because I know better. I can say that I love the people I work with, I love the values that the company stands for, and I love the idea that I can help people out of what I believe is unethical.

A note to those who are Primerica epresentatives, I will see all of you in Atlanta this June. Look me up if you'd like--the office I work out of is the third page in the 'Golden Eagles' book.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/11/2003 7:18:47 AM

Modified: 3/12/2003 12:51:23 AM
ExEmployee

Al

Arlington Heights,, Illinois
U.S.A.

Not a Pyramid? What else do you call it?

This is in respoce to the last comment made by Brian on 3/11/03. If you clearly understand a definition of MLM - Multi Level Marketing, you will see that this is a Pyramid scheme which is illegal in the United States. and you, sir, just publicly admitted that your company is involved in illegal business practices withing United States. Any lawers and prosecutors out there?

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/11/2003 3:33:52 PM

Modified: 3/12/2003 1:59:45 AM
ExEmployee

A.

San Ramon, California
U.S.A.

!!The Real Scoop!! on Jobs, and the Primerica Concept

NOT ONE OF THE REPS ABOVE KNOW what they are talking about. The concept of Primerica is to buy basics (like term life insurance, pay off mortgage) and invest the rest. It is the perfect concept, however the company tip~toes' around it. And what about the jobs (work positions)?

I used to work for with Primerica. I want to address two problems. The first being 2 BIG MISreprsentations, one, Primerica reps dont tell you that you can pay off a mortgage in 22 years for a 30 year loan, and 12 years for a 15 year loan by just adding one full payment to your mortgage year. IN SHORT, for a company that is supposed to help you out of debt, some reps sure do not give you much education that can help you wether you do business with them or not.

The other issue is that the company does not let you know that you can make 2 - 10 times more working for another company. They preach that you can work part time and make good money, even from home. But TRUTH IS, you can do all these things from home if a company will let you. Just about any insurance company will let you work from home. You can be a sales or loan agent for mortgages from home (and make much more). Many work both out of office and home. Many people who do securites(investments) work out of home. My CPA offers simular services and she works from home. So if you like these fields Primerica offers, you may be able to do it without Primerica.

The company does have some really good products in the finacial servies area. I found that my mutual funds and IRA's obtained more increases in aggressive markets than any other I have used. If you look at the after Sept. 11 reports of stocks for companies and compare it to how stocks did for comparitive companies, Citibank/Citigroup's stock stayed strong, even into the next year when all other stocks were hitting rock bottom or negitives.

The problem is that this is the only good product they offer in my mind (but with all the Enron and other questionable associations, who knows). Life insurance can be bought cheaper, and if you pay attention, you will notice that the cost for it goes up higher than the norm for aging years. In the long run, you pay more in my opinion with Primerica.

Also, the second problem is that the refi's they do are no good. This stuff about simple interest on higher interest rates is not at all comfortable to market. Although if you pay attention, the idea is to pay Primerica principal and interest, and take insurance and taxes and pay yourself. The way to do it is to set up a mutual fund for at least the amount, and keep the interest instead of letting the banks do it. Its not a scam. You just have to be clear if this situation works for you.

Another problem is that as an agent, you find all your own leads, and then you do the coorespondance on the loan, all the processing, sales, rates, and closing almost from start to finish. The only not really done by you is the approval sent to a citibank underwriter, and the closing end where primerica pays a notary public to complete the paper work. My wife works with the mortgage industry and each section has a position and title. So you get paid $400 lousy bucks to do alone, the work of 6 people.

I found out that, in normal mortgage industry standards; as a LOAN OFFICER, you get most your leads provided to you. As a green thumb, Primerica gives you only about 400 - 1000 on a $100,000 refi; but industry stanards are higher. For example, where my wife currently works, the sales team, as a loan(sales) officer, they make $2000 base and 700 to 2000+ on a single loan, and unlike Primerica, all their leads are provided. At her company, the top guy does more than 50 on average a month, and he don't have to stand in the rain or 120 degree heat to find a lead. I was STARVING my family trying to stay out, recruiting at libraries, the net, parks, supermarkets, and everywhere just for one lead, and hoping they had something I could offer them in a product. When I found out that the pay from Primerica was unfair, I then knew.

Besides this, Primerica is very MLM. It is not a scam, it is a good idea that needs refining. Unlike my friends who had thousands before Sept. 11 and now have pennies, I am glad that the one thing Primerica got right is their securities areas. To make a long story short, if you need work and want to work for yourself, Primerica may be for you, but if you are just shopping for financial products; just like a supermarket, or department store; shop around, and if the product fits your needs, then get it.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/13/2003 2:51:53 PM

Modified: 3/14/2003 8:16:21 PM
ConsumerComment

GP

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

Primerica products are NOT priced competitively.

Let's get a few things clear here.

1) Primerica products are NOT priced competitively. It is very common to be able to beat their prices by 30% or so. That is not competitive

2) The majority of life insurance sold is term insurance (by face value) by a long shot. Even by reps at so-called 'whole-life' companies. To say that 86% of new insurance is cash value of some sort is just plain wrong.

3) Primerica mortgages are expensive. You can obtain much better rates and repayment terms through a mortgage broker.

4) The FNA given to the client is not a financial plan, and contains only a fraction of the information a properly prepared financial plan provides. To somehow insinuate you could compare the two is ridiculous.

5) To the poster who insinuated in a previous post that he is in finance in college and thinks Primerica is a better proposition than other financial services companies, why exactly? I have an extensive background in finance and I cannot fathom how you would come to that conclusion. You think a finance degree gives you the ability to evaluate a VUL policy? Right.

6) Whether you like it or not, Primerica agents do not own their clients. They do not own their own business. Read the contract that is signed.

7) To say that going to opportunity meetings and Primerica University (or whatever they call it) gives you an education in personal finance is like saying that reading the directions on a bottle of Advil educates you to practice medicine. The meetings are designed to encourage sales, not knowledge.

8) To say that 99% of the time term insurance is the right choice is irrelevant to any insurance decision. It is either right for you or it isn't. It doesn't matter what your neighbour bought. Unfortunately, at Primerica you will not be given an option, because there are not any options. And to say that every other company will just try to sell you permanent is garbage. 'Whole-Life' insurers are always heavily promoting their term products. I sell far more term insurance than permanent, and almost all the brokers I know are in the same boat.

9) Primerica's main requirement to be offered an 'opportunity' with the company seems to be the ability to breathe. I have encountered numerous Primerica agents who should never have considered a 'career' with the company. In addition, you would think the company would have some concern over its' public image. If you owned a company, wouldn't you be concerned with its' public image?

10) Primerica is not Citigroup, and vice versa. As a financial services company, Primerica is not one of the biggest. AIG is big, ING is big, AXA is big, Primerica is not so big. If Primerica employees insist on calling themselves the biggest company, then they need to deal with Citigroup's negative features (predatory lending, lawsuits, etc...) You can't just pick and choose what applies.

11) To look at the Primerica site's 'Press Room' will not bolster the situation. For example, one poster mentioned a positive report in 'Investment Executive' in Canada. It would interest anyone to know how selective they were in quoting from the article and others in the paper, which was regarding brokers rating the companies they worked with. It had nothing to do with whether they are a good company. It cast a negative light on the fact that Primerica agents were captive and that they were DEAD LAST in terms of professional accreditations. The fact that they have the largest salesforce and such a 'large' amount of insurance sales is misleading. The numbers are very different if you consider insurance lapse rates and the transient nature of a large part of their workforce.

12) Stop calling it an opportunity for everyone. So is the lottery. Everyone has the potential to win, but no one in their right mind would consider it an opportunity.

If you want to work for Primerica, fine. But enough of the 'Us vs. Them' mentality. You guys are the only ones who subscribe to it. Enough with the talk of crusades and educating people and helping families. If debt is such a concern for you and your clients, sell them a less expensive product, give them a lower interest rate. Stop believing everything you are told by your RVP. By the way, every Primerica rep seems to be from the top producing office in their area. Dishonesty is always a problem at other offices, never theirs.

To the dummy who said Primerica was the only company to pay out the death claims after Sept. 11, without waffling etc... what a load of crap. All the insurers paid out all legitimate claims. The issue regarding acts of war was a media issue, not a life insurance issue. It created a problem on the p&c side, not life insurance. And Primerica did NOT pay out 4 times what any other company did. They were NOT the top paying life insurer in the disaster. Again, stop believing everything your RVP tells you.

I've said enough for now.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 3/27/2003 8:31:39 PM

Modified: 3/28/2003 12:00:26 AM
ConsumerComment

Tim

Grand Haven, Michigan
U.S.A.

Primerica doesn't require an investment in its product by the new recruits, and thus avoids liability as a pyramid scheme.

Here's the scoop about Primerica's status as a pyramid scheme. Primerica is a pyramid scheme, and I'm pretty sure the FTC would classify it as such if it had any interest to.

Primerica is not an illegal pyraimd scheme, what they are doing is perfectly legitimate.

Illegal pyramid shemes are characterized by a system wherein people in higher levels make their money from the purchases made by people beneath them in the structure.

Primerica avoids this situation because the end consumer is the only purchaser of their products.

Basically, in a company like Amway, the majority of the profits derived come from people within the organization, and most of the products never make it past people who are a part of the company.

Thus, people in higher levels make money because the product has already been sold as far as they're concerned, while people in lower levels lose money because they can't move the loads of product they purchased with the intent to sell.

Primerica doesn't require an investment in its product by the new recruits, and thus avoids liability as a pyramid scheme. (Any questions?)

But, sadly, legality does not always equal morality. Countless studies have shown that the average new Primerica rep earns less than a minimum wage income in their first year, which most of them never make it through. The products marketed by Primerica are generally not endorsed by people who know about such things, which Primerica reps don't.

Primerica claims to be in the noble business of 'helping the people who need it most' when, in fact, you need to make a rather substantial income (relatively) to even be considered as a client. The list goes on, and I would urge future Primerica supporters not to focus on your company's strong ethics, because you're not fooling anyone (well, unfortunately, you are fooling some people).

To finish off, a little advice for thos who recieve a call for a great career opportunity (I'd say these tenets hold true about 90% of the time):

1) A company that does not pay you for your training period will not be a good company to work for.

2) Products that are marketed through MLMs are, generally, either overpriced or worthless. If they were quality, well valued products they wouldn't need any more than five levels of distribution to market them.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/8/2003 2:08:59 PM

Modified: 4/9/2003 12:07:39 AM
ConsumerComment

Moraine

Toledo, Ohio
U.S.A.

Check All Sources of Information and then Make Your Decision!

I wish to start this report by saying that I am not involved with Primerica Financial Services (I am currently involved in real estate), however, my cousin is a Regional Leader with the company who is about to become a Regional Vice President and is planning to expand other offices. I have been down to the 'business briefing' at the local office with my cousin and have had the chance to experience being recruited. I was very impressed with what the company had to offer, and I was already aware of the Rule of 72. I felt that the company had a common sense approach to finances which had a lot to offer to people who would not be able to obtain financial assistance elsewhere.

After stumbling upon this site I was very concerned for my cousin and directed her attention to the site. We both reviewed the majority of the comments together. I then asked my cousin to give me a break down of how the company truly worked.

It seems that Primerica is a multi-level marketing system, which is okay for their are some companies that rely only on this type of distribution. In looking at the system, it seems that it is almost simular to how real estate works, with a couple of better perks in my opinion. In response to the gentleman that stated that a company that does not offer paid training in general is not a good company, that is not necessary true. In real estate, there is no paid training. If one wants to become a realtor, one must pay for your classes, then pay for your license (test and pass), and then find a brokerage that is willing to take you on as an agent/associate. Then you are only paid on commission, which can make real estate a tough profession. The only person who makes 'good' money would be the broker, because he or she gets an override off of their agent's production. The 'quality' of your training is going to depend soley on your broker. I can also see the point of having a person 'pay' into their license, the person has a stake in the matter, making them more committed. As for all the cold calling and contacts, my cousin informed me that reps are not allowed to do that anymore and if you are cold called and reported it is instant termination.

In seeing there is a lot of negative comments to this company, my cousin explained that most major insurance companies do not like Primerica due to the fact that the company only markets term insurance and that the polices are replaced. In most cases, term insurance is the best type of insurance due to the fact that a client can afford more protection for the dollar. And not to sound like a supporter of the company, but one can read many publications that support this such as Money magazine (which denounces any type of cash value insurance). Or you can read 'Financial Peace', which focuses on term insurance or 'What's Wrong With Your Life Insurance' by Norman Dacey, who goes in depth in explaining insurance (ironically, A.L. Williams is mentioned in this book). I bring up these book titles because I wanted to do outside research on term insurance. In especially reading Mr. Dacey's book, I really wonder about the 'loyalty' of some of these name brand insurance companies. Other books I would point you to are the 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' line of books which speaks about how an 'employee' is typically in a trap financially due to the fact that you are underpaid and are stuck in the 'rat race' believing that extra schooling will get them what they want, when in actuallity it is the desire.

In checking with the prices, Primerica insurance is not the cheepest, and this issue was raised to my cousin. There are a lot of guarantees in a Primerica policy that may or may not be included in a competitor's policy. Also, by nature term insurance, it is a cheep product which does not pay a big commission. My cousin picks up a lot of policies from clients and saved some of the examples. Some of these policies would scare you. After explaining how the policy worked to me, I wouldn't buy the darn thing. In working with my cousin, it seems to me that maybe understanding your finances may not be a thing you need a degree in if someone is willing to take the time and sit down with you. And for all those people who do hold degrees and licenses, they had to be trained too, didn't they? They were not financial experts as soon as they graduated, someone had to take them out and train them, and they had to make mistakes and receive on hands training before they became an expert. If you think about it, would you trust an airplane pilot who had a pilot's degree but had never flown or someone who had flown 100s of hours? Experience has more weight than a degree.

As the recruitment is concerned, all companies recruit. I believe the call it the marketing or human resources department. Although some of the representatives are a little on the aggressive side it seems at Primerica, all companies search out good talent. This is especially so with sales companies because sales is a burn out profession. I have heard simular complaints from people working with Edward Jones and that there is a push on their employees to recruit associates onto the sales force. As for the comment that Primerica picks on people that are poor and minorities knowing that they would not pass the exam, is that implying that the poor and minorities are ignorant and wouldn't be able to succeed? That may not be what the person means by that statement, but that could raise the hair on someone's neck. My cousin is a minority and that would offend her because she does a lot of training! As for targeting these populations, ironically, it is these same populations that are often neglected financially.

As for attending the meetings, I think the person who labeled them as church meetings/pep rallies was right. I see a lot of simularity between churches, sororities and fraternities and Primerica. Why? Because everyone in these organizations are there as volunteers. And as a volunteer, because someone is not forcing you to be there, organized struture to remind people of why they are there is needed. There used to be a time that the church was considered a cult (and for some people it still is) but now it is a stable part of our society. There are a lot of people who place a monetary contribution into the church and never receive anything out of it due to the fact they are not receptive to the information that is being given. Everyone knows the central theme of a church is redemption of souls, however, every week the message is a little different, and it gives the faithful members encouragement to continue on with the journey. Why should any voluteer organization be any different?

Like real estate, Primerica is not easy. For some people, this is a total change to what they have being doing prior. A lot of people do not like change and do not realize in order to get to the high positions of the company, you must become a great leader, which acquires skill in personal growth...which also means some pain my be experienced. When I was at the business briefing I was told that this was not a get rich quick business and that if I was told that, I was being lied to. Also, I was told that it is going to depend on your desire, effort and abilities. My cousin has had many struggles on the way to her current position with the company which really tested her character. I am proud of my cousin, she did not have a degree in finance, but was willing to learn. She has a degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology, so she is not a 'dummy' and she worked for the Toledo Police Department in a high ranking position. However, she was very open minded to a change and expanded her beliefs that she could be a Regional Vice President. I believe that anyone could probably be successful with Primerica, if they are willing to pay that price. For some people, that price is too high and for those people they will not make it.

As far as negative articles about the company, there are many positive ones as well. In fact, in an article in Money magazine, their fall 2002 issue, an RVP from Kansas is featured, making a 120,000 year income. Pretty impressive. After going into various magizine sites such as Network Marketing Lifestyles, House of Business, and looking at 'Wave 4, Network Marketing in the 21st Century.' or checking out mlmreview.com, their are pretty good reviews of the company. I hope that everyone realizes that these are opinions on this site and that best way to find out is to use your own judgement and at least investigate the company before making a solid opinion. Most times the person who you are dealing with is the problem, not the company. This review can be picked apart, and probably some people will do such a thing long after I have finished typing this and gone on. However, I encourge the ones who may be looking into Primerica to have an open mind and follow your heart. If it is not for you, then it is not for you. It wasn't a choice for me, but it may be for you.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 4/19/2003 7:51:18 AM

Modified: 4/19/2003 12:21:32 PM
ExEmployee

Chris

Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.

Primerica: Misleading, lies, the employee experience, and the Primerica convention

I was already a part of Primerica for a few months. I was already a bit skeptical of the whole process. I then had this site confirm what I was thinking. Here's a part of the story.

I got 'recruited' into Primerica back in Chicago. I had no experience in dealing with people's money. I went to a Corporate Overview. It's a two-part meeting of what it is and what the opportunities are. They then sign you up if you are interested. It's the slick shmooze job that brings many people on board.

LIE #1 is it’s easy to make money and be “financially independent." Just to note I spent about nine months with Primerica before relocating out of state and telling them I was not interested in continuing in Vegas. I was told when I was brought on that there was 'no cold calling.' This is an outright lie. I was told this before filling out the IBA and forking over $199.00. Yes, I am paying to join. It was $200 and I was interested enough to risk it. It’s my fault for doing that. However, I wouldn't have seen the process first hand had I not. Naturally it was told that I needed to 'build my team to be on the road to RVP.' So phone calls were necessary. Cold calls were in fact 'encouraged' and 'required' to build your team. Please note that you don't make much money unless you build your team.

LIE #2 is that it is easy to be 'RVP ASAP.' My uplink (in my opinion) is a good guy who slowly is coming around to the fact that it's not happening there for him. He's been with Primerica for two + years. He's been forced to get a second full time job to survive. So not only has he given up forty-fifty hours a week for Primerica. He's working a second job. He had to drive sometimes fifty mile round trip for appointments. He was obviously 'sacrificing' to be that RVP that was made to sound easier than buying toilet paper at the store. While I was there for nine months. He had to 'rebuild' his team three times. He would get his team up to seven...lose them down to me. He'd rebuild up to eight...lose five more. When I left he was back down to two people. 'RVP ASAP' was the chant used every five minutes at the Grand Rapids convention last September at the Van Arden arena for 'Team Unstoppable.'

LIE #3 is the fact that we are financial experts. The training was informative. It was for what they wanted to tell you. The training was “Dealing With People's Money 101." An overwhelming majority of people had no experience with finances outside of paying their own bills. We were taught the basics. Believe it or not we weren’t taught much about “overcoming objections." It was said that the product would sell itself. If we got any “difficult" questions we couldn’t answer. We were to call our uplink while stalling. Now we are experts after a few weekly meetings? I don't think so. It’s scary that this “blue print" is going to make many sales and “save people from the evils of debt." Three other financial service companies also interviewed me after passing my Life Only license for Illinois. They did their best in the interview to not bash Primerica by saying “Our process is much different." It’s widely known that Primerica is not respected in the financial industry. Those companies say it’s the rep that Primerica is giving the industry. Primerica says it’s because they are the best and they all are jealous. You draw your own conclusion. At the point of those interviews. I wanted nothing to do with the financial services industry.

LIE #4 is the hurdles that you cross. Once you’ve gotten your Mortgage license (watching one 10 minute video) and your Life license and you start to prepare for District Manager (sounds great in title) and getting your Securities license. You start to get thrown a few more hurdles. The want you to sign up for Call Atlanta (which is their service that calculates all the insurance information for you so you don’t have to be a genius.) This was almost $30 per month. The cost of Call Atlanta got higher the higher in rank you got. If you became RVP it was then $80 per month. They also wanted you to sign up for your personal voicemail and pay $20 per month. I guess my cell phone wasn’t acceptable in their eyes. By then you’ve already gone over your list (gameplan) of people who are friends and family to bring to the corporate overview. Suck your friends and family in on the guise of trusting a friend/family member…brilliant move in their eyes!

LIE #5 recruitment. I had been working a near full time job and working Primerica at the same time. I had my resume out on the online job boards including Monster. Primerica was part of my resume. Believe it or not other Primerica offices contacted me to jump ship and leave my uplinks team and to join theirs. Where’s the company unity and ethics in this? Primerica will also recruit anyone and try to make that recruit feel special. I had reposted my resume with a state run service. The first response I got was from…Primerica. Primerica was now off my resume at this point. So the recruiter had no knowledge of me ever being a part of it.

LIE #6 “It’s not a pyramid." Do you have to pay to join Primerica? Yes you do. Do you have to build a team to become successful? Yes you do. You can’t make too much money unless you do. Does your uplink make 11% of each sale you make? Yes they do. Sounds like a pyramid no matter how they try to word it and avoid liability of being one. Call a spade a spade. Little cutesy wordings don’t mask what it is.

LIE #7 “We do good things for people." This one is relayed more than anything else. It’s beaten into your brain along with the self-help books and cassettes the office wants you to rent. Our “five-star" (ideal) appointment is someone who is in their mid-twenties, newly married, looking for a home, middle class income, and in college debt. In other words our target is a demographic that most other financial companies won’t even sniff at. It’s also the easiest demographic to deal with because they are
1 – desperate for help
2 – probably not too informed on money matters
3 – a demographic unable to fight back if they are locked into a bad deal

It’s already been documented that Primerica only does term life. Of course the term life in the book shows our rates lower than those on Whole Life Plan A. Who wouldn’t show that? When we are “busted" on our term only rates being higher than other term only rates. We are then supposed to say that “Primerica is the best and you pay a few more bucks for the best." The sad thing is that both employee and client aren’t 100% informed on all the products and competitors out there.

The convention in Grand Rapids last early September was the clincher. I had already paid for my ticket there so I felt compelled to go to it. The drive luckily was only 190 miles. The convention was supposed to reaffirm that you are doing good things for uninformed people. What I saw in my opinion was 4,000 mind-numbed robots looking like this was a college football rally. The 4,000 number was the amount of tickets sold. The Van Arden arena held 10,000 and was about 1/3rd full. It was a day of education and award ceremonies.

The second day was the most laughable. We kept getting asked how do we feel. We we’re supposed to answer “Unstoppable." In the evening we were supposed to dress our best for the Primerica awards ceremony. These ninety minutes of people getting hundreds of awards. We were supposed to stand with our thunder sticks and or clap for all ninety minutes while 3/4ths of the same people went up and got award after award. We were told, “See how easy it is to get these?" LIES. They did do a good job of making everyone feel good about themselves.

Three weeks before this convention I came across the Rip-off report along with some other websites with the Primerica topic. I wanted to finally see what others thought. Obviously a lot of negative press isn’t good. Usually where there’s smoke there’s fire. I think in my opinion this is the case. After putting it all together and barely recovering my money of the IBA and the Life license. I told my uplink that I could not stay for the third day of the convention. The speaker of honor spoke for 45 minutes about the goodness of Primerica. This is a man who made $2 million last year on the work of all others under the pyramid. I left and never was a part of Primerica again.

Sorry about the two pages plus of my story and opinions. I think that my experience here should be considered before you do business as an employee or as a person who does business with them looking for financial independence.

Thanks for reading

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/20/2003 2:51:14 AM

Modified: 4/20/2003 11:14:08 PM
ConsumerComment

Alex

Mesa, Arizona
U.S.A.

MY experience with Primerica--Hard work, few successes, ..the truth of the matter is that you basically would have to turn into a major harasser to your family and friends in order to recruit enough people for you even to make any type of money.

Several years ago, I owned a computer repair business and I maintained the PCs and network at one of the Primerica offices in Albuqueruqe, NM. I had come to learn a lot about the company and how it operates and I have met many people who ran their operations out of that office. As hard as they tried, I would not join and become one of their 'reps' or whatever they are called (PFAs?). Basically, a post above referring to these folks as mind-numbed robots is a perfect description as to how these guys operate and behave. They are programmed and totally brain washed that someday they will be making the 120K per year and won't have to worry about having a real full-time job again. Well, the truth of the matter is that you basically would have to turn into a major harasser to your family and friends in order to recruit enough people for you even to make any type of money. Most people are repelled by the idea of having to turn around and find more people etc. IF you think this is for you, expect to be avoided (if not hated) by most of your close friends and relatives as most of them will not want to get involved. High-pressure tactics is a must if you want to work for that company. If you think you can convince many people to be recruited by you to sell life insurance and their other financial services, then go for it. I recall one time I was at their office and three different recruiters were trying to get me to join under them. Finally once managed to convince me to attend one of their seminars and of course, realizing this is not my style of work, I quickly just wanted to bail out. However, I Was intercepted and I don't remember the details leading to it, but one of them actually inserted a cotton swab into my mouth and took a saliva sample!! Would someone involved with Primerica please explain why that was necessary. Anyway, I have been approached many times since then by other reps and they sure do use high pressure tactics. You can't really blame them as these guys have to do this to make money. But their persistence often lead to me avoiding them for life. I have since moved to Arizona and check this out... I had placed my resume on monster and was seeking a computer engineering position. I got a call the next day from what seemed to be someone looking for a management position which was being held in Tucson, about a 2 hour drive away. He said they were having interviews about 4pm and that there would be other people there as well and for me to bring at least 6 references. Something in the back of my mind said 'hey, ask him if its Primerica'. SO I did, and sure enough it was!! I decided not to go. A week later, I received a call from a respectable company and now work as a computer engineer. So if you are the type that has good salesman skills, are perisistent, willing to shell out $200 to get started and are willing to take a chance of all our references getting harassed and possibly not wanting anything to do with you afterwards, give it a shot! As for me, naaah, it's not my cup of tea.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 5/13/2003 2:44:33 AM

Modified: 5/13/2003 10:29:54 PM
ConsumerComment

Luke

Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada

My in depth experience with Primerica as an 'almost' employee

I was recently approached by a friend’s brother to come to one of Primerica’s Opportunity meetings. He started by telling me that he had this great opportunity for me and told me about how much money he had made in his first investment deal ($500 Can). During the conversation, he also mentioned that Primerica was a large up-and-coming company, owned by Citigroup who had trillion dollars in assets, etc.

Of course I was familiar with the company because I had gotten credit card apps from Citibank and remembered reading an article about its founder, Sandy Weill. I was curious and it sounded legit, so I went to the meeting. It was one of those “feel-good" meetings where they talk about all the money you can make and how I should invite all my friends because this was such a great opportunity (I didn’t count the number of times I heard that phrase…but it was a lot). Anyway, The majority of the meeting was talking about how you could make $100K per year helping families that all the other companies out there want to screw. Well, I am no dummy (I have a BSc and BEd), but I felt myself sort of buying into what they were saying. I think this is partly because I agreed with them that some people get the wrong insurance, that the banks pay you next to nothing for using your money, and that many people retire broke. Their methods supposedly fix all of these problems by helping get people into the “right" insurance, move their money into better paying investments, and help people get out of debt so they can start saving for later in life.

I also thought that it was a good deal to pay $200 for courses through Primerica that cost over $1000 from other colleges in town. They even tell you that with their scholarship program, you can get that $200 back so there really is no investment. I thought, if anything, I could get some financial education to help myself for cheap, or free. Well, I decided to fill out the IBA and payed my $200 to get the ball rolling. The up-line got my info for the FNA and said he would have it done in a few days. So he suggests that I go watch some taped broadcast in the office the following day. After watching this, the red flags were started to wave to me, telling me to wake up and smell what was being shoveled. My father was involved in a cult-like religious group when I was a preteen so I am familiar with certain tactics that are used by cult-like groups. Anyway, the up-line sits me down after the video and gives me the Fast Start Planner. He goes through it and we start talking about what designation I was planning on starting out as. In his opinion, even though he really knows nothing about me, he decided that I would probably be best going for the Division Leader designation which incidentally paid the highest percentage. Then he goes on to say that before I do the courses, I have to do the field training which consisted of 8-10 kitchen table appointments. He goes on to say that all of these appointments need to come from my warm-market (my family and friends). Now this is where I was raising my eyebrows and thinking WTF? to myself. I am familiar with lots of work & learn programs, but I have never heard of one where they give you absolutely no classroom training before going into the field. I am expected to bring a Primerica field trainer into the homes of my family and closest friends, and have him “help" them by selling them products that I have no clue about. Talk about a Trojan horse. It makes far more sense to obtain education about Life Insurance, Mutual Funds and Mortgages and then go do field training. This way, you can better understand the decisions that the Field trainer is making about what is right for any given family. And why should I use my warm market to field train? The up-line should just as easily invite me to sit in on a meeting with his own clients. And to top it off, they only want to do these meetings with 4-5 pointers (These are people that fit into at least 4 of the following: Age 25-55, Married, have Children, is a Home owner, or is Employed full-time).Then it dawns on me. I recall that in the meeting that they say for every 10 FNA’s they do, they get to help out approximately 8 families. Out of these 8 families, 1-2 will qualify for refinancing of their mortgage. When you look at the pay structure and do the math, the Field trainer is looking at making between $2000 - $4000 off of my friends and family, of which I make nothing.
In the Planner, it states: “As you’re not yet licensed when you start, your trainer will go with you to interview your warm market. Since we’re licensed to help them, we’ll help them now, and you’ll benefit from the training."
I may not be the swiftest at times but I’m pretty sure that there is only one person that is going to benefit here and it is not going to be me.

So much for their heavily subsidized courses. I save maybe $1000 - $2000 on the courses so someone else can pick my only available market clean and make a tidy sum. What is even more amusing is that they want me to give them a list of all of the people that I know, even if they aren’t 4-5 pointers because even they need to know about the Primerica Opportunity! They are even kind enough to include a blank contact list in the Planner so that I can write down the name, address, phone number and demographics of at least 26 people that I know (yes, I said 26). Once I hand that in, even if I decide to quit, they now have info that will allow them to call my friends and family under the guise that I referred Primerica to them.

By this point, I am seeing the word sucker printed on my forehead. I went home and started doing some serious research on Primerica and Citigroup. You know, for a company that spent some time bashing the other insurance companies for wrong doings, they just happened to forget to mention anything about Citigroups involvement in the Enron and WorldCom frauds, and their predatory lending practices, especially targeting the poor with higher interest rate loans, and the countless complaints about Primerica for its deceptive sales tactics in selling term insurance (I believe it is called “twisting" and it appears to be illegal), the scam that they are pulling with the mortgage refinancing (see http://www.stretcher.com/stories/00/000925c.cfm) and the list goes on and on and on. I decided to wipe the word sucker off of my forehead before it became permanently etched there. I called my new up-line and told him that I wanted to cancel my IBA and was no longer interested in the Primerica “Opportunity".

If people tell you many people benefit from Primerica’s reps because they couldn’t afford to get debt help or info elsewhere, they are full of crap. The FNA is a joke and the kind of get out of debt info is something they can read in Finances for Dummies. There are countless non-profit organizations that can help people deal with their debt problems by helping educate them and help give them a game plan. These places have people that are undoubtedly better qualified to help people with credit counseling and financial planning than a Primerica agent that has a few weekends of schooling on issues that don’t even deal with debt elimination.

I recommend to anyone else that if Primerica, or any other company appears to be a great idea for them, objectively research the company that is making the offer before you commit to it. It is quite common that they will attempt to awe you with promises of getting rich in only a few years and making it sound like the business is the most noble in the world. Well I can tell you that Primerica may talk about their noble cause, but I think that they are sending people that are highly UNDER-qualified into the field to play with peoples’ money.

As an aside, I am rather amused that two people that wrote quite a bit in support of Primerica (Brian - Wayne, Pennsylvania and Moraine - Toledo, Ohio) also quoted from 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' by Robert Kiyosaki. Before quoting anything from this self-proclaimed real-estate “guru", save your credibility some face and do some research on him rather than taking his word for who he is. To start you off, check out: http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html
It is more likely that this guy made money from selling books that provide no real info, just motivational talking, than he ever did selling real estate.

Oh, and please excuse any misspelled words, dangling modifiers and the such...it is late and as you can tell I have been typing for a while :)

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 5/13/2003 4:32:19 PM

Modified: 5/14/2003 12:41:12 AM
ConsumerSuggestion

Kim

Gilbert, Arizona
U.S.A.

Primerica is a joke

Any company that constantly searches job sites non stop, day in day out, calling everybody and their mother, advertising for help, on a continuous basis, should send up a red flag. Funny how just about every person I know has been contacted by these morons. If it was such a great company to work for why is there a 95% turn over rate. This is just a pyramid scheme and will eventually crash and burn. Sure you might be one of the very few lucky ones that actually makes any $$$ but I doubt it. So glad I didn't fall for this crap. I see these losers have an office in Mesa, AZ I saw the other day. I felt sorry for the people all dressed nice, resume in hand going to an interview. NOBODY is pathetic enough to work for these guys.

Yes I work for Corporate America but I have a legitimate job where I can a paycheck and bonus check and commission check and a ton of other nice perks.

You cannot honestly say that all the nasty internet message about these guys don't mean anything.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/4/2003 3:33:08 PM

Modified: 6/4/2003 11:32:08 PM
ConsumerComment

Steven

Atlanta, Georgia
U.S.A.

References list?

I also went to two interviews with this company, the first was to tell me about the company and get my basic information (pretty normal). It was during the second interview when they asked for a list of my family and friends who might be interested in their services that I started to wonder. They told me that I would visit these family and friends with a current employee to 'train' and be shown how to sell their services. After that I was told that I had to give them a check for $200 for 'certification.' What type of certification do you get without training? The whole scenario sounded too fraudulant for me, not only do I have to pay them, but I also have to give them a client list. No thanks.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/8/2003 7:47:59 AM

Modified: 6/8/2003 10:47:08 PM
ConsumerComment

Michael

Appleton, Wisconsin
U.S.A.

Doesn't a cold call for an interview set off a red flag? ..thankful for web sites such as this

I, as many others, have been contacted by a recruiter for PFS. They took my resume off of a national job/resume site and called asking for an interview. I asked about the position and was given the same manager type answer.

Now, when a financial type institution calls you out of the blue, in a very tight job market, offering some sort of management job in a career field 180 degrees apart from yours, how can you even consider it a legitimate opportunity? I do not have a degree, but it seems that anyone with any amount of common sense would dismiss any offers that came unsolicited and basically, out of no where.

There are cons and pyramid type schemes everywhere, and thankfully web sites such as this to help those with questions or comments. However you would think that if people listened to their common sense from the start, that many of these negative experiences would have never taken place.

It should basic common sense that in a tight job market the phone isn't going to start ringing with job offers you've never even heard about. As for those online websites where my resume was posted, it has since been removed. It seems the only people who take the time to view those sites are looking for something different from what I consider a legitimate job offer.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 6/15/2003 11:55:28 AM

Modified: 6/15/2003 10:58:10 PM
ExEmployee

Nick

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Primerica from the inside: what it's really like

I was involved with Primerica, part-time and then full-time, for almost 2 years. I was a recent college graduate, and got caught up in everything discussed in this thread of postings. Here is some additional info.

-Primerica started out as 'A.L. Williams'

-Primerica is MLM, but not exactly a pyramid.

-When Primerica reps pull resumes off Monster, etc, they do not even look at them. They pull as many as they can from specific search radius, and then contact them all by phone or email. We were always told, 'It's a numbers game.'

-Primerica will hire anyone who passes a background check. Reps get recognition from recruiting numbers, and many bonuses and promotion requirements are tied to recruiting. They will hire anyone they can to get their recruiting numbers up.

-DO NOT write down references on your interview sheet, because they will just be added to the list of people to call to recruit.

-There are more Primerica agents without a security's license than there are with one.

-Many Citigroup employees are ashamed that Primerica is part of their organization.

EVEN WITH all these negatives, I still believe that the company itself does give it's reps an opportunity to make a lot of money, and do it in an honest way. Fact is that most of the 'owners' are focused on 'recruit, recruit, recruit', and that's why Primerica will never be looked at in a positive light.

My RVP (Regional Vice President) always said 'sell the dream', and unfortunetly, that dream never becomes a reality for most reps.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/17/2003 4:00:45 PM

Modified: 6/17/2003 11:31:43 PM
ConsumerComment

Robert

Crestline, California
U.S.A.

Pumping America

It's all in a dishonest days work. I hate to say it, but I allowed myself to fall prey to these guys. I thought it sounded like A.L. Williams stuff. The check was cashed for what I thought was life Insurance. The back of the check revealed a deposit made to Wachovia Bank NA SVC in Orlando Florida. Orlando Florida, why does that City ring a bell. It can't be.........no.Ocwen Bank. Any ideas

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/24/2003 10:16:43 PM

Modified: 6/24/2003 11:25:12 PM
ConsumerComment

Donnie

Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.

Bunch of ripoff artists!!

This Primerica is nothing more than a stupid pyramid scheme, their main purpose is not selling securities, it's SIGNING PEOPLE UP!!! They pestered the hell out of me trying to sign me up in Nashville, and then I got a call from the Vegas office when I moved out here! Saying that they could 'really use someone like me' and all that crap translates into 'Give us money you stupid moron so we can move ourselves up the chain by signing up more and more dummies like you', it's coming, a huge investigation on TV and all, you jerks at the top of your pyramid beware, it's nothing more than AMWAY and NSA and all these ridiculous companies revisited, they can all kiss my homemade a-ss!!!!!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/25/2003 3:19:38 PM

Modified: 6/25/2003 11:16:59 PM
ConsumerComment

June

Lakewood, Colorado
U.S.A.

Thanks for the reports!!

First off, it is wonderful to be able to research a company on the web before making a commitment to anything.

A representative contacted me today and told me that I would be great for a job opportunity. Well I have a full time job and wasn't interested in full time but maybe part time. I really thought this was a JOB that I could earn some extra money.

So to get some information about Primeamerica, I got on the web and spent some time looking at the responses. Any company with that much negative response, could not be a worthwhile investment and the representative did not state it was sales, that there was a fee or any information that would be required of an employer.

I did make an appointment for an 'interview' for tomorrow but from the information I have found, I will not be going.

Thanks to all of you for putting your experience on the web and saving my time and energy!
Another item that really concerned me was the responses from the 'owners/supporters' is the unprofessionalism. I am a business manager and supervisor and I would never respond to anyone in that manner. That shows me that this company is not professional or a place for anyone to be.

My suggestion to all: Always do your research before making any decisions; it has always paid off for me

Employee

Submitted: 6/26/2003 6:37:46 PM

Modified: 6/26/2003 11:51:55 PM
Employee

DAVID

ORTONVILLE, Michigan
U.S.A.

LIVE AND LEARN

I had always thought of myself as a very skeptical person, one who would research, before jumping into anything. Im still shaking my head, how I was enticed into becoming a pfs rep, and how I involved many of my friends. I felt as if someone was dangeling a carrot in front of me, and feeding me a little at a time. I was even told when your recruiting not to give out all the information at once, it a constant dodge game, and i wasnt comfortable with it at all. I didnt relize this until I had recruited 5 friends and family, who basically got involved because they respected me and it didnt matter what the company was about, if I was involved it had to be ok.

Well after several apologies and some of my credibility gone, i decided to give it up.
I was very honest with my rvp, I said I didnt agree with the approach used to recruit, it seemed very misleading to me. There are always too many unanswered questions.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 6/27/2003 4:58:57 AM

Modified: 6/27/2003 10:31:09 PM
ExEmployee

Dore

San Jose, California
U.S.A.

primerica is a rip off..

danielle is telling the truth, the rest of you who responded are either employee's of primerica or have family with them because complete strangers would at least consider her side of the story. I was with primerica for a couple months and it is infact a scam.

When you people say 'oh it gives young kids with no educations the chance to make more then college grads yatta yatta' thats bullshit because for one , even if you sell their insurance you dont even get an 8th of what your trainer gets and when you sign up with the company they say they will pay you up to 1,000 dollars depending on which package you sell the family/customer but thats also bullsh*t because the most you will ever see out of a full package is like 200 dollars and to make a sale takes a couple months , ESPECIALLY if your a young kid , who the hell in their right mind is going to put their life insurance in the hands of an 18 year old? Anyway they also get you to try and fuck over your family , start with people you know so that they trust you and so on, they pretty much make things sound so simple but its a very sly scam that they are running and I can see why people get lured into them because I myself did, I learned quickly and got my 159 back out of the 199 I payed, although I didnt get back the time I spent with the company which was a total waste of time.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 7/14/2003 9:05:12 PM

Modified: 7/14/2003 10:45:16 PM
ConsumerComment

Bonnie

Winchester, Virginia
U.S.A.

A Scam or Just a Different Way of Doing Business?

I have never been involved with Primerica, but for about four years was involved with another multilevel marketing company and after reading most of the comments on the Primerica subject, wanted to put in my two cents.

Most MLMs have some set or rules, or code of ethics that the business owner is supposed to abide by. However, when the business gets really large and people think they can do it an easier way, some of these deceptive practices become the norm. For instance, the rules of my MLM did not allow us to do any mass mailing or internet recruiting, it had to be all one on one, either people you already knew or you had to meet new people. Not all lines of sponsorship followed these rules. If they were caught violating the rules, they ran the risk of losing their entire business. At least one previous comment indicated that Primerica has similar prohibitions.

An MLM is not a pyramid scheme. Amway Corporation fought this battle in federal court some time ago and won. Pyramid schemes are illegal. MLMs are just another way of doing business, but definitely not the traditional way. Owning a business is not for everybody. I worked hard and had some success. However it would have cost me thousands to start a traditional business and it only cost me a couple hundred to start an MLM business. It was not difficult to make the money needed every month for training tapes, etc. Yes, I wish I could have been one of those who made millions of dollars the first year but I also knew from the materials provided to me that most people that sign up in this type of business never make ANY money. In four years I made some friends, some extra cash, learned a few things about business first hand, and a whole lot about how to better handle my money. It sounds like Primerica, for whatever the faults are, gives people a chance to look at things differently, like how to pay a off a mortgage early. This is something I never conceieved of until well into my 30s and it would have benefitted me more had I understood it a few years earlier.

Most of us will not win the lottery or make 'easy money.' Some will go to school and get advanced degrees, and some will work extra jobs or overtime, and others will be entrepeneurs. Most of us would like more money or a different lifestyle and MLMs provide that opportunity no matter what your background.

Obviously if there are corrupt business practices they should be reported to the parent company or to the Federal Trade Commission or Direct Marketing Association (there is probably some federal agency that covers the lending and insurance industry as well). However, there is no need to be bitter, write it off as a scam and put other people down just because it wasn't for you.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/15/2003 9:21:37 AM

Modified: 7/15/2003 11:24:39 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Joe

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

Scams Here, Scams There

I was interested to find out what business scam that Primerica has done to the public. After all I did not find one but allegations and complaints about their recruiting processes. Well, if you cannot make & do it, why not just quit rather than being cry-baby & blaming others because you fail.

Come on, guys! If you have any complaints against this giant companies like Primerica or its Parent company Citigroup, then this is not the proper venue. Go to court for fair trial & let the proper authorities decide it. This rather makes your case look credible & real.

Thus this website is the real rip-off business as the editor's comment is always one-sided & just wants to sensationalized the unfounded issues & complaints to make people pay its $19.95 for a rip-off reports at the expense of the legitimate companies.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/15/2003 11:10:46 PM

Modified: 7/17/2003 10:38:53 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

David

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

To All Cry Babies

I challenge you to file a lawsuit of all your complaints against Primerica Financial Services.
If you win, count me as one with you, OKAY???

But if you don't, it's obvious that you are just doing these destructive things against a legitimate business most probably because -

1. You are the disgruntled insurance agent competitors who were pissed-off due to switching from your policies;

2. You are who tried to do the Primerica business but failed thus you got upset;

3. You are just disappointed upon knowing in an interview that the job or business being offered is not what you expect in;

Pls stop being cry babies!

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/18/2003 9:51:44 AM

Modified: 7/18/2003 11:00:43 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Stuart

North Brunswick, New Jersey
U.S.A.

Well Acquainted ..The basis of this business is multi-level marketing

I've known about Primerica and its predecessor,
A.L. Williams, for years. The basis of this
business is multi-level marketing.

What this means is when you're on the first rung
of the ladder, the best you can hope for is to
make a meager living from selling its products
and services. The real money comes in from
recruitment.

If this all there were to it, then it would be
barely passable, but you're dealing with a
company that's very deceptive or outright lying.
In my case promises were made to pay for my
license, the test I took and the traing class,
none of which the company has ever done.

They want you to submit a bunch of names from
your acquaintances because it's a referral type
of business upon which the primary aim is to get
more people to join up with Primerica. This is
the type of company that will tell you just about
anything to get you to join up (while not true of
all, the financial services industry commonly
uses these types of tactics when it comes to
multi-level marketing).

Here are tipoff signs:

(1) The company says it has 'several career
opportunities.' (very vague and used to
cover why they're calling you even if it's
not the position you're looking for, also
the word 'opportunity' is typical of those
that don't offer a salary or looking for
entrepreneurs).

(2) Refusal to back up the statement in writing.

(3) Trying to get you to submit referral lists
of your friends and relatives so that
someone else can actually get the commission
and bonus off of you (the scam here is that
when you make an appointment with a referral,
it's allegedly supposed to teach you about
selling the product or service when it's
real purpose is to get the referral to join
Primerica).

(4) Get you to get others to come to the group
meetings (you won't get a referral bonus
if you bring someone down to the meeting
and they decide to join up with Primerica).

A regular insurance or financial services
company can start you off with orphaned accounts
so that you can have a base to start off with.
Primerica doesn't even offer that.

So the bottom-line is that Primerica is really
looking for entrepreneurial recruiters and the
products and services that it offers are
overpriced designed to reward those further up
the rung (i.e. branch managers and above).

EmployeeInsider

Submitted: 7/20/2003 11:37:41 PM

Modified: 7/21/2003 12:28:08 AM
EmployeeInsider

Samuel

Billings, Montana
U.S.A.

Primerica Rips Consumers and Reps

Having been in PFS for about 6 months now I can safely say what the detractors say is almost 100% true. Here's the lowdown.

PFS Sells overpriced, under performing products through guilt and intimidation of people. The premise of 'This will help Joe in his training...' or Joe saying 'I need your help in building my business....' then proceeding to 'BOP' aka Recruit them into the business is decitful at best.

Let's cover the Lies that I was told about doing business with PFS.

#1 You can only Sell insurance in your state if you have an office and only an RVP can have an office. Outright LIE. You don't need an office at all EXCEPT with PFS.

#2 To be certified to do loans all you have to do is watch a tape and sign a form. For $mart loans they give you a pittance and do all of the work and you get a crappy commisison, higher interest rate and double the closing costs of any other lender. To be certified to do loans you have to be certified by a bank. At PFS since they don't really care for the customer they centralize the process and the rep is just the patsy.

#3 $mart loans are better because they reamortize the loan with each payment. PFS is the ONLY company that does this. Outright LIE. I have one acronym answer. 'MTA' MTAs do EXACTLY the same thing except the rates are 3-4 % BELOW market and you have multiple payment options. If you are a PFS rep and don't know what an MTA is then you ARE NOT doing the best thing for your Client.

#4 PFS Always does the best thing for the client every time. This is the biggest LIE there is. I've replaced ALL of the policies put out by my so called trainer with other companies and wacked the RVP and Trainer with Chargebacks galore. Too Too funny. In all cases I put them with AA+ or better companies with half the premium for twice the face amount for 3 times the Term. Hmmmmm I think my client is much happier.

#5 You'll never make any money being a sales agent. In PFS that's true. Well in 6 months with PFS I made $0.00. Go out as a free lance agent and get your own contracts. My PFS contracts were 30%. I'm making 85% to 90% of premium being an independent agent. And I can choose whom I deal with rather than one company.

#6 You have to cross the threshold to get the promotions. Another Complete LIE. RVPs and above have the ability to promote people how they see fit at ANY time. They normally put Family members that are licensed in positions such as RL or SRL and they do nothing and get paid while all of the Pawns are getting the crap kicked out of them and are dropping out.

#7 You have to recruit to promote. Same as #6 but if you go out as a free agent you can hire your own agents and do a normal overide position and take 5% override and have the agent keep the rest. In the end the agent is happy and you are happy and you didn't have to recruit them into an MLM.

#8 Other companies don't have the Fabulous trips. Another total lie. You can do as littls as $60k of premium and go to very elaborate trips that are equivalent to the A trips in PFS. In PFS most of those things are going for $250k in premium or more. What a joke. I get 4 trips a year for that much premium.

In the end I do have one thing to thank PFS for. I would have never gotten my license had it not been for them. However the grass is really greener on the other side. Pass PFS, WMA, Capital Choice and other spinoffs. The ride they take you on only leaves ripped off clients and dissolutioned agents behind. Do the Math. Only about 15% of people who put in IBAs ever get their license? When I got a 91 on my exam I was told I studied too hard. That's because I only needed 70 to pass but my trainer gets $50,000 builders premium towards a trip concept and I get squat!

If you are a client call an independent agent for a review of your PFS policy. If you are a rep run as fast as you can for the exit.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/2/2003 8:54:45 AM

Modified: 8/3/2003 2:52:53 AM
ConsumerComment

Jd

Salt Lake City, Utah
U.S.A.

Happened to stumble on these postings, and did a little research; this appears to be a scam

Hi,
I am the infamous person that posts against World Perfume and Scentura on this site. If you have ever been invovled with this other MLM company in the past year, you have probably read somthing I wrote. I was going through the fine ripoff report homepage and stumbled on these postings.

I have had horrible luck, after being invovled with World Perfume, I acutually had an interview set up with Primerica. Thanks to being burned so badly by this other MLM scheme, I did some net research BEFORE going to this interview. I found some legitamate news articles on the internet which confirmed that Primerica was another MLM scheme.

I took a few minutes and did a little research on primerica and here are some damning articles that I found which may help all of you:


http://primericabuster.bravepages.com/

Lists of sites against Primerica:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Business/Opportunities/Opposing_Views/Primerica/

LITIGATION AND MEDIA INFORMATION

http://primericabuster.bravepages.com/LITANDMEDIA.htm

It is amazing that all of these pyramid schemes are the same. I hear the same stupid defenses of Primerica as I do about World Perfume and Scentura.

Be wary folks, and trust these people who decide to warn you, they have NOTHING TO GAIN but piece of mind. Why else would they post this information? Are they making any money doing this?

Whereas those pro-primerica people want to use you for their own devious and selfish ends. It is the same sad story as other pyramid schemes.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 8/3/2003 6:05:42 AM

Modified: 8/3/2003 11:07:37 PM
ConsumerComment

Jason

Lansing, Michigan
U.S.A.

Your information will be wrong

Your advice re: Primerica seems right on, but you mention several sources of information. All of those 'primericabuster' sites are operated by Ken Young.

Young was a whole life insurance agent for many decades. That is a fact. He crusaded against A.L. Williams because they were replacing his clients' insurance with term, thoughbeit expensive term. He finally won $75,000 'shut up' money. The publicity it generated helped catapult Primerica to the numbers it soon obtained, however. In fact, at the Atlanta convention, a number of reps had an effigy figure of Ken. It gave the sales force a totally rejuvenated vigor, and launched them to sell more term than ever before. You could say that they finally had a name and face to attach to the sleazy 'whole life agent' they had been hearing about. This gave them more resolve in their crusade.

You might say that Ken himself has been responsible for much of the company's growth! Would you like information from that?

Or, how about this. In one of his never-ending torrents of vitriol against Primerica, he said that according to an article he read, the company was fined $20 million by a regulatory agency (NASD). Sounds bad, right? Well, Ken made it up. There is no article, and there was no fine. He has been confronted hundreds of times about it, but refuses to admit that he made it up. In fact, if you ask him about it on 'primericabuster', he will ban you. If you would like to verify yourself that there was no fine, you can look it up on NASD's website. They have a searchable database of all actions taken.

As a matter of fact, Ken used to offer to show people the article. Really, you ask? What's the catch? Well, it would cost you twenty-five thousand dollars. That is a fact. You put up $25,000, and Ken puts up $25,000. When you get the article, he takes all.

Some consumer advocate, right?

In another case, Ken gave out some incorrect information about Roth IRAs. No big deal, right?

Well, when a reputable member of a professionals' forum corrected him and referred him to an IRS publication to verify, Ken went ballistic, calling this man a 'charlatan', a 'fraud', and an 'idiot'. He never apologised to this person for saying such things!

You can see the thread for yourself at:
http://www.financial-planning.com/wwwboard13/messages/1193.html


In recent months and years, it appears that he has become insane. He constructs these straw men out of pieces of his 'advisaries' (his word for adversaries) and then attacks them brutally, even if they don't exist. Recently, he has unleased a flood of messages on various sites praising himself, using different pseudonyms. He used to berate people for using a fake name when posting.

If you do contact him, make SURE to use a fake name and e-mail address. When he learns your name, he will find out all kinds of information about you and post it on the internet. He recently announced that he would open a domain and (quote) 'viciously attack' anyone who disagrees with him. He even went so far as to post someone's social security number, phone number, etc.

In one instance, he found one of his detractors' dead brother's memorial websites, and attacked it. He posted pictures of this dead man's brother all over the internet and berated him. He then made bizarre accusations that the living sibling was pretending to be a pastor thousands of miles away from where he really was, simply because they had the same name!

He has threatened to get people fired, break up their engagements, and take them to court so he could clean out their houses. He threatened one man with litigation for years until he finally said it was going to happen. The process server apparently got lost and was never heard from again. He is a bluff waiting to happen.

His behavior has gotten so bizarre over the past couple years that a website was set up to chronicle some of the most insane moments. You can visit:

http://home.satx.rr.com/pfswars/kyindex.html

to read all about him.

Please, whatever you do, get your information. But be EXTREMELY wary with this person. And take what he says with a 5-lb bag of salt.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 8/13/2003 9:12:42 AM

Modified: 8/13/2003 11:35:17 PM
ExEmployee

Catherine

Eastpointe, Michigan
U.S.A.

Primerica is STILL a ripoff 15 years later!

There are a lot of people out there who have been misled and brainwashed by Primerica and its idiot representatives. Many of the rebuttals attacked the person who talked about their college degree and not wanting additional training, accusing her of thingking that she is betther than they are. It is apparent that she is a little stronger or more observant than Primerica's defenders and representatives because whe was not taken in by them and didn't naively believe all the crap they tried to shove down her throat.

Primerica's defenders/representatives are a little sensitive because it is widely known that the company is not completely reputable; that is one of the reasons they must operate almost underground (not because they are avoiding advertising costs, as they claim). Why not attack the company for what it is? It is a scam. They are purposely vague, and purposely misleading so they can mold the weak-minded, gullible people they snare. They don't want intelligent people who will ask questions and react to all the red flags. They want clones who will blindly and resolutely do as Primerica tells them. The bottom line is you have to sell, but they will not come out and say that because most people cannot sell. They are an insurance rep now underwritten by Travelers, apparently. Travelers is at least the 4th or 5th company to underwrite Primerica's policies. That in itself is a red flag. Sure, they may offer other 'financial products', but their main product is insurance. Not that insurance is a bad product, but many people don't know much about insurance, and there is a stigma attached to insurance and insurance salespeople.

Primerica's reps are trying to sell insurance and other 'financial products', but they know very little, if anything, about what they're selling, so the consumers are uninformed and mislead. Unfortunately, the customers don't find any of this out until after they have purchased a policy, and they try to get the policy serviced. And the ridiculous part is that Primerica really believes that even in light of being misinformed and misled, the customers should still be convinced by the rep to make the purchase! They believe that you should tell the customer as little as possible, sprinkle around a little BS, but just convince them to buy! With Primerica's 'prospecting' tactics, most customers run away screaming. As anyone who is legitimate in the insurance business knows, a reputable agent does not have to prospect.

Primerica's representatives are poorly trained in the art of selling, and know very little about the insurance industry or the financial services industry. They offer the least training possible (usually a weekend crash-course with a self-described insuarance expert) so their reps can pass the Life, Accident, and Health portions of the insurance licensing test and start selling and bringing in money right away. Most people cannot be 'trained' to sell; either you can or you can't. This makes no difference to Primerica because the more blind, uninformed followers (reps) they have, the more money the company makes. Helping people get out of debt and moving toward an early/easy retirement is a bunch of propaganda crap. Who is becoming financially independent? Not the entry level reps. Most people do not realize how small the commissions are on insurance policies and other 'financial products' (such as the ones sold by Primerica).

Talk to any REPUTABLE insurance salesman, and find out how many policies have to be sold per month to become financially independent. Believe me, I know. Not only did I sell insurance for some time, but my current husband is a REPUTABLE insurance salesman in a family-owned agency, and we are FAR from financially independent. What Primerica also hides from its victims is its past affiliation with A.L. Williams. Does anyone remember A.L. Williams?

Does anyone remember the scandal with and the investigation by the SEC after they tried to run a rival company called Amerishare Investors out of business? Why do you think A.L. Williams and his company disappeared off of the face of the earth? Primerica is the same company. They were actually the parent company of A.L. Williams. I (very much against my will) was exposed to this company 15 years ago, just before I got married. My then-fiancee and I were intelligent and strong-minded enough, however, to see these people and the company for what is really was (and is), so were not sucked in by them; not that they didn't try to get us. They were unrelenting, calling us several times a day at home, leaving many messages on the machine, saying that they will keep calling until we agree to an appointment, dropping over, etc. The idiot that was calling us was actually the friend of a family member of my then-fiancee. I must point out that the family memmber DID NOT give the rep any info about us. This rep took it upon himself to try to recruit us because we were young and just starting out. He also felt that we were young, we were naive enough and as stupid as he was to believe all of the hype and crap; and of course, he wanted to use us, all of our young friends, and my large family to make money.

This idiot came to our wedding, UNINVITED, to try to recruit us AND to 'prospect' for himself! That is the honest-to-God truth! Their tactics have not changed, as I still get these idiots contacting my current husband and me after obtaining our resumes and/or personal information from legitimate sources.

We are contacted by them on a regular basis. They have covertly (illegally?) obtained information on my husband through insurance licensing information sources in our state, since my husband is a licensed insurance rep and they would LOVE to snare him because he would need no training whatsoever! He could just start making money for his imbecile 'uplines'! They are predators that scan resume resources and other employment resources then contact candidates with the false offer of a management position. If the company is so reputable, why are they constantly contacting people to try to dupe them into signing up? If it is a true employment opportunity, why do you have to sign up? Funny, that their reps cannot answer these questions. The 'interviews' are nothing more than rally sessions where the weak-minded representatives try to get other weak-minded people 'pumped up' about all the supposedly WONDERFUL things Primerica has to offer. They are counting on the crowd contagion factor. After that, they will bother you non-stop. They will harass you and try to force you to reveal the personal information of friends and family members that they will later try force you to contact and make appointments with so you can sell to them (they call them references at the beginning of the reeling-in process). They want you to 'prospect' and 'recruit' by calling everyone you know (the rep I was bothered by came to my home and DEMANDED that I get out my address book so he could sit next to me while I made phone calls for appointments!!), or just dropping by their homes to drop off some literataure. The popular training tactic is to leave you car running so your victim will believe that you have just 'dropped by' and that you are not pressuring them, when in fact you are. They even want you to 'prospect' in public places like shopping malls. Primerica also heavily promotes that 'rah-rah' attitude about the company because they want to hide the truth. They don't want their reps revealing the truth. It's all a smoke and mirrors thing. So, the defenders and representatives of Primerica can continue to whine and cry and object to what people are and have been revealing about the company and its tactics, but the bottome line is that all the negative stuff (and more)is true. They have to operate covertly because they don't want to reveal what is really going on. They have to rely on weak-minded, gullible people because most people can recognize what is really going on, and they know what the deal is. The few people at the top of Primerica who are rich and financially independent have become that way by deceiving a lot of people, selling out and selling this crap of 'the dream' to many, many gullible and financially desperate people in this country who are willing to and need to believe it.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 9/16/2003 8:58:45 PM

Modified: 9/17/2003 4:06:26 AM
ExEmployee

Kevin

Clairton, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

Stop before you get started with Primerica ..not an interview, but rather an orientation of propaganda

Wow! I never thought I woiuld find this many views!

Last week I responded to an ad that said, 'Willing to train.' I callled the ad and set up and interview, and I later found out this was not an interview, but rather an orientation of propaganda. I am a full time eductor--yes currently employed--with a background in finance/accounitng to boot, and so, I am not dooped easily. I listened and agreed with the speaker. Then, I was approached because of 'my skills', and was requested to attend another, but more personal interview. One of the things I thought was strange was that no one at the company [Primerica] asked to see my resume or asked for an official list of references. This process was not up to the professional par I was used to. However, having student loans and looking to make an extra buck, I agreed to a personal interview.

When I showed up to the interview--wearing a suit with my resume and clearances and certifications in hand--I got more of a pep talk than a serious interview. How can you hire someone for a professional position without seeing a resume of work experience and skills, and then not call and confirm this information? What I received was, that I had 'skills', and ' I would do well in the field', and ' I would be able to make a six figure income in little time.' I started getting skeptical.

To all of those whose say people back out because they are angry--I have a background in psychology so I understand this--or unsuccesssful, I say this: I am backing out of my meeting this Friday, because I refuse to ruin my professional reputation that I have built over the past 8 yrs (I am only 30 yrs old.) and have a bad reputation follow me to future employers too. I have worked to hard to have it all thrown away. I have sent them a check for $199, but I place a stop payment on the check, and I will contact my RVP tomorrow about my decision.

I am glad to have found this site before I started my training. Then, I would probably not be able to keep my $199. Primerica may work for some people and not for others. All I know is that I am educated, currently employed, and not desperate for work. I have strong business ethics, and these ethics are the reason for my decision not to try my hand at Primerica.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 10/7/2003 5:16:18 PM

Modified: 10/7/2003 8:14:54 PM
ConsumerComment

Angel

Staten Island, New York
U.S.A.

My Experience

About six years ago, a representative of Primerica came to my home. I was not there but my then fiancee was. The woman gave him literature and told him how by joining Primerica he could get out of debt and in time become very wealthy. He took the information she left and said he had to wait for me to come home from work before he made any decisions.

When I got home he was excited and could not wait to show & tell. He told me all of the wonderful things we would be able to do and so on and so forth. My question to him was how much? He said oh well I don't know yet I have to wait for her to call me to set up an appointment.

I said to him baby we work for one of he largest telecommunications companies in the world and never once did they ask you to pay them for your salary, furthermore, they never asked you to go to any one's home to recruit them for your salary.

I guess in the end he understood that it was a scheme like all of the silly e mails we receive day in and day out about 'make $5000.00 in a week from home' Give me a break. My resolve is, if it were really true why wouldn't all americans or all people for that matter be wealthy, out of debt, living well somewhere with thier families?

By the way, I am also an actress and I once went on a casting call for one of those pyramid scheme videos that you all have seen about how much xyz company has benefitted me. Good Luck!

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 10/22/2003 12:08:17 PM

Modified: 10/23/2003 12:34:49 AM
ConsumerComment

Ryan

Altoona, Iowa
U.S.A.

A suggestion for those contacted by PFS

Those scumbags got my information from monster.com, and I found an effective way of dealing with them.

When I went to the meeting/pep rally, I knew something foul was afoot when they wouldn't give any straight answers. I started to walk out, and they actually ahd the nerve to ask me for the names, addresses, and phone numbers of my family, friends, and anyone else who might be 'helped' by Primerica. I took the sheet home, and gave them the names, addresses and phone numbers of various violent criminals out on parole, rapists, pedophiles, etc...the most dangerous, random, and sadistic criminals the United States have to offer.

I never heard from Primerica again...imagine that!

Employee

Submitted: 10/25/2003 1:31:50 AM

Modified: 10/25/2003 10:48:27 AM
Employee

Karen

Mpls, Minnesota
U.S.A.

Employee of parent company Citigroup

I have been reading all the previous entries regarding Prime America. I had no idea about this scam at all. I feel offended of everything these people went thru. Making honest efforts to set up an interview and explore new job options just to be not taken seriously and recruited into some Amway type club. I just had no idea. It makes me not like Citigroup even the more knowing that they are taking part in this activity. I just had no idea at all.

I work in the Auto Finance Division of Arcadia Financial. Parent company of course being Citigroup. Not being the most satisfied of employees, I too have had my resume on Monster.com as well and every time I get more than one email from Prime America. I have not really researched this company much but judging by all the posts on this company it sounds absolutely dreadful. I'm just really discouraged that Citigroup is the parent company to something so rediculous. It is a cult people.

In regards to the previous comments, stating that people chant 'Amen' and all that, it's definitely not appropriate. In todays day and age, religion must be kept out of things for legal concerns of course. I think that is obsurd that they are doing this. Amway sucks and I'm sure Prime America sucks just as bad too. I am more than happy that I was informed on this scam and I am definitely not pleased with being an employee of Citigroup if they are propegating this type of business.

Appreciate the info folks.

ExEmployee

Submitted: 3/16/2004 5:40:56 PM

Modified: 3/16/2004 8:38:22 PM
ExEmployee

Daniel

Toronto, Ontario
Canada

The lowdown on PFS, company in itself isn't a scam, it's the agents within the organization that makes it that way.

I used to be a Primerica agent for about 6 months and got my Division promotion within months and I have made some money and recruited a couple of people into the system.

The Primerica concept of buy term and invest the difference does work. The company in itself isn't a scam, it's the agents within the organization that makes it that way.

I came from a baseshop where the RVP was the TOP producer for PFS in Canada for some months and we supposedly beat the top dog Francisco Dillion for a month. So all of you in PFS you know which baseshop I'm talking about. So I know a think or two about how to be successful in PFS.

The thing that is wrong with PFS agents is they act like they have the solution to the worlds financial problems and for a couple of months I believed in that BS. But in reality PFS agents are the most uneducated people within the Financial Services industry. We weren't given any formal training and we were pushed to sell this stuff. We weren't told that Primerica term is a very expensive term and most insurance companies in Canada have way cheaper term.

Comparison for a 45 year old non-smoking male buying a $200,000 term 20 with waiver of premium:

Primerica Price (My old policy)
Monthly cost: $73.25
Annually cost: $771.00
Annual policy fee: $85

AIG Life of Canada (My new policy)
Monthly cost: $56.97
Annually cost: $633.00
Annual policy fee: $75.00

The comparison speaks for itself, and I used one of the more expensive insurance companies to illustrate the fact that PFS agents dunno what they are talking about. They say that their policy fees are the cheapest, and they are if your comparing them to WL/UL policies because of the fact that WL/UL have more administrative task to be done to them. But compared to another term life they don't match up.

Plus the terminal illness rider that the PFS agents rave about, well in Canada most insurance comapnies have that clause in their new policies too, they just don't overly advertise the fact. Plus PFS agents try to compare the terminal illness clause to the critical illness insurance that most other companies have a variant of. But the fact is they aren't the same thing!!!!!! The terminal Illness clause only take affect when you are diagnosed with an illness and the doctors KNOW you are going to die within a certain amount of time. Were as Critical Illness is insurance that pays you a sum of money when the doctor diagnoses you with an illness (deemed critical with the policy contract) whether or not your going to die. PFS agents try to tell clients why pay for critical Illness if we have terminal illness in the insurance policy. that's fraudulant, but it can't be blamed in the agents themselves, because most of their trainers dunno the fact as well, because the RVP don't tell them that fact and it just filters through the system. Remember you duplicate your upline no matter what.

Another problem that arise from a Primerica policy is the increasing benefit rider. Most agents (including myself) sold it as a free rider that gives you a choice of whether to add 5 or 10% coverage to your existing policy. But the truth is it ain't a choice unless you make it one. If you get the IBR every year Primerica will send you a letter stating that your premium will increase due to the fact that they are adding another 5 or 10% to your coverage, you have to check off 'no' and send the letter back to Primerica to get your premiums lowered. It's still a choice but really is it? But PFS agents dunno that fact because their uplines told them and I quote 'It's a rider which allows you to add 5 to 10% to your coverage without a medical, and every year Primerica will send you a letter, you just simply check yes or no to the coverage and send it back.' Boy was that misleading.

All that was only the problems with their insurance sales tactics, I'm not even going to talk about their loan 'shark' program, or their shotty seg. funds (really high MER there). Also they have some very bad malpratice behaviours in some baseshops.

The point being is that Primerica is like any other insurance company they have products to sell and some of them are okay (ie term 25 and term 30, cause most insurance companies don't have those products.) and they are priced competitive, but the only way the Primerica gets such a bad rep it's because their Agents dunno squat about the open market and push their products as the saviour to your financial problems.

And to all those who say Primerica weeds out people, it doesn't, it just scares people. If they actually had better product knowledge seminars instead of 'pump up recruiting' or ' Primerica is the saviour' meetings and seminars you wouldn't see this much complaints towards the company.

I am now working at an insurance brokerage and making decent money selling term insurance along with other products. I believe the Primerica theology but I can't agree with most of their ignorant agents they have.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 4/19/2004 3:35:03 AM

Modified: 4/19/2004 6:36:48 PM
ConsumerComment

Mark

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Canada

They Helped My Parents Already in Retirement

I was very cautious when my wife approached me about Primerica. I had heard and about it over 11 years earlier and really didn't have much time for it.

After an agent from the company were able to help my parents (who are retired and on pension) to see light at the end of the tunnel that was not a train. I had to admit they were doing some good.

My parent were barely able to get by through the 'using one credit card to pay another and use a line of credit to pay that credit card' method.

The Primerica company orchestrated the complete elimination in less than 6 years. Previously, there was no way they were going to make it on their pensions.

I have heard a lot of garbage from people who don't like Primerica but I am glad to say that you didn't convince not to look in to it. I didn't have the means to help my parents and they did.

I wish I had listened earlier because my parents would have been debt free and enjoying there retirement a few years back. They deserve it. Those people whose ridiculous ideas that Primerica does not help people nearly ruined my parents lives by slowing down the process of my parents being helped.

Personally I would like to give people like that a good thrashing for causing other people to suffer. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to kick all the butts that would be necessary.

Employee

Submitted: 5/12/2004 6:16:28 PM

Modified: 5/13/2004 4:17:22 AM
Employee

J.

Blue Bell, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly

I have been in PFS for 3 months and am thankful to have come across this report. I have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. Let me start with the ugly.

Ugly- PFS response to objections. We are purposely trained to not answer questions directly. We redirect the conversation through the use of questions, which many people find intimidating. We are also told to never ask anyone what they THINK, but to ask them about the potential and whether it is worth looking into. Telling people to basically discourage THINKING lends itself to deception. This is not a strategy that I'm willing to participate in, especially since it harms my credibility (and has done the same to the company's credibility overall). That is a poor strategy when people are suspecting PYRAMID SCAM.

Bad- Primerica's 'No Call' policy. Um, not really. You must use a phone to call people. My RVP actually recommended using a phone book and 'cold calling' if you have no prospects and need clients/recruits. I said 'what about the 'no call' policy?' and was basically told to 'get creative'. So, Primerica's 'No Call' policy requires a creative interpretation.

Bad- Primerica's FNA (Financial Needs Analysis). The agents market it as a financial plan. Read the fine print inside and it states that it is not a qualified financial plan. Ah, that word 'qualified'. This must require another creative interpretation! This is just a marketing tool for Citigroup, customized to fit each client's personal financial situation. I sell it as such and not a financial plan. Financial plans require a fee and come from more qualified individuals.

More Bad- $.M.A.R.T. loans. They are only approved 20% of the times an application is submitted and the rates Citigroup charges are high. This makes me ill and not too confident to sell this product.

Good- Primerica's FNA is free. It does offer helpful advice on how to improve your financial situation with Citigroup products, but what you do with that advice is up to you. It's a great report for anyone who would not pay for a financial plan or can't afford one, and does teach the consumer some basic financial concepts that work. Unfortunately in many cases, that work is more for Citigroup and less for the client.

Good, Bad, & Ugly all rolled into one: Life insurance. It certainly is not the cheapest, this is true. But price only matters in the absence of value, right? The benefit of Primerica's life insurance is the ability to transfer term to term without a medical exam. I have never heard of any other insurance company that does this (if you know if one, please share). If you are young and have kids, this is invaluable. Otherwise, go with the cheaper insurance. But the concept of buying term and investing the difference is legit. Why pay an insurance company to hold your cash value when you can just as well save it yourself? Keep your savings separate from your insurance, people! And who honestly needs insurance until they are 100?

Conclusion: If Primerica agents truly had the client's best interest at heart, they would be a brokerage firm and not agents of Citigroup. They have sold out their crusade to 'the #1 financial services company in the world'. Yes, a trillion in assets, blah, blah, blah.

Brokers represent the clients and agents represent the company. Remember that and be careful. I'm sticking around for awhile because I have been able to help some people close to me. I am thankful to Primerica for the 'opportunity', but what I make of it will be what is best for me and not the business.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/22/2004 9:07:21 AM

Modified: 6/22/2004 9:39:09 PM
ConsumerComment

James

Cincinnati, Ohio
U.S.A.

Nieghbor Almost Sucked In, PFS was definitely not the place

My next door neighbor approached me a few months back and inquired as to my availability the next evening for a 'financial services' presentation. He and his recruiter would be by at 7pm to review our finances. As he is a good friend, I agreed. However, I was quite skeptical given the fact that my neighbor works for the municipal water works and has zero financial services background.

The next evening my neighbor and his trainer/recruiter showed up. My neighbor literally did not say a word. He simply watched as the PFS agent rattled on about 'buy term and invest the difference'. When I asked the PFS agent about his financial services background, he said that he had been a meat cutter prior to joining PFS. That set off every red flag in the book. This guy knew no more about financial services than the man on the moon. He simply wanted the commission from the sale and would hand me over to a Citigroup mutual fund salesman. I politely declined his offer to switch my cash value insurance for term insurance. He became rather pushy, and I finally had to ask him to leave.

A few days later, my neighbor said that he had decided that PFS was definitely not the place for him. His recruiter had used up all his leads and had left him high and dry in terms of developing any new leads. He decided that he was not a salesman and did not want to alienate any more family, friends or coworkers.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/22/2004 11:27:53 PM

Modified: 6/23/2004 2:37:08 PM
ConsumerComment

John

Tiffin, Ohio
U.S.A.

Thank you everyone...Almost made a HUGE mistake

Wow good thing I did my homework before signing on to this company. I, too was 'recurited' by Primerica. They have gave me the big line of BS and ill admit I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Anyone flashing 6 figures will make anyone see $$$ signs.

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 6/29/2004 1:08:07 AM

Modified: 6/29/2004 3:33:54 PM
ConsumerComment

Fred

Confidential, California
U.S.A.

Primerica is a terrible company

Primerica is a terrible company for ripping people off like this, I worked with them and finally couldn't lie to people anymore I felt horrible. I'd rather be payed less and work an honest 9-5.

Sincerely,

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 7/6/2004 7:55:51 AM

Modified: 7/6/2004 11:54:25 PM
ConsumerComment

Adam

Cincinnati, Ohio
U.S.A.

The owners of primerica seem to be very defensive

thank you primerica 'owners'(?) for helping me see the light..

The only reason that I came to this web site was to check out the legitimacy of Primerica, because I was considering a job opportunity with the company. I have learned a lot.

The owners of primerica seem to be very defensive, and seem to be looking for an excuse to degrade the value of education. Anyone who downplays the importance of bettering yourself, is someone I stay away from. When I speak of making myself a better person, I am not referring to fattening my wallet. I can make enough money to support my family whether I have a college education or not(which by the way I am working on), but I feel much better about doing it in an honest way.

Individual

Submitted: 7/14/2004 12:16:01 PM

Modified: 7/14/2004 8:38:23 PM
Individual

Sally

Orlando, Florida
U.S.A.

Primerica - Monster.com scam

Anybody know how these 'sales people' get your phone number, is it just cold calling through the phone book?
Because I too have my resume posted on a few sights but its under-confidentially.
I am currently in the market looking for a job, I've sent out a ton of resumes. But when this woman left a message on my answering machine she didn't even say my name she just started in the middle with: - I'm calling about setting up a interview with you about working in my company. She left the name 'Jean Karon' and phone number [delete] on my ID it read [delete]PRIMERICA FIN.
Any feedback would be appreciated, I had such a gut feeling not to call back and THANK GOD I didn't, especially after reading these responses. The Rip-Off report sight forever stays in my favorites file for reasons like this.

ConsumerSuggestion

Submitted: 7/15/2004 12:17:07 PM

Modified: 7/15/2004 11:19:03 PM
ConsumerSuggestion

Jay S.

Peoria, Illinois
U.S.A.

RipOff Report saved me, thank you!

First, I immensely wish to Thank this website for helping me & my wife make a decision on attending the 'interview' with Primerica Financial Group.
I hope what I have to say will help others too.

OK.
I have an advance degree in Engineering and work for a $30 bn global-construction enterprise. My wife also has an advance degree in Engineering but is currently in transition from her previous job which she resigned to move in with me after our marriage.

Now one fine day...She gets an email from a recruiter saying that he is meeting with 'selected candidates' at a city about a few hours drive from our place. He would really like to meet her and talk with her about her qualifications and their needs. He goes on to say that they are trying to expand in the Central Illinois Area (I live in Central Illinois) and are looking for dynamic self-propelling employees who can be Managers.

WOW! I thought thats too ambitious for a person with little experience and fairly fresh out of schoo.

My suspicions grew (and I think these are pretty good indicators for anyone looking to smell-a-scam) because:

1. She was told that her current 'lack' of experience in Financial Services didn't matter and she would be totally trained. DIFFERENT.

2. She was not told any details about her 'JOB DESCRIPTION' nor what area she would be working on. STRANGE.

3. She was not told where she would be working or how much she would be paid to do it. WIERD.

I chanced to type in 'Primerica' in Google and the second link was RIPOFFREPORT.com. I felt bad telling her because she was looking forward to start working after a couple of month's break. But having gone through one of these experiences before (when I was still in school) I had to.

Now that we know how to smell-a-scam, we are thankful to all the people who have commented on this website for:
1. Saving us the trip & expenses
2. Saving us the pain of sitting through the 'chants & B.S' for hours together and
3. The harassment of their reps afterward

I agree that it works for some,
But for someone who wants to 'live by his word' and be able to live happily with what I have, even if it is little, it just doesn't make sense.

Sincerely,

Employee

Submitted: 7/16/2004 4:50:48 PM

Modified: 7/16/2004 11:03:12 PM
Employee

Genelle

Bellmead, Texas
U.S.A.

No Acknowledgment ?? ..Primerica isn't going anywhere, GET OVER IT....take a look at other company's...

It's funny all the trashing being done to Primerica however what is really getting my attention is the fact that after Mark from Canada made his statement of how PFS came in and literally saved his parents finacial lives...the trashing continued with out one statement about his experience...Now here is the kicker we have more clients like his parents, than the trashing going on...every company has 'bad Seeds' especially ones as large as ours,but those are few and far between..Primerica from my experience has given people the opportunity to dream again...in all areas...it's not for everyone, but if you failed because it was not for you ... there is no reason to become angry..go find something that is for you...BOTTOM line Primerica isn't going anywhere, GET OVER IT....take a look at other company's...oh be sure and check them out as well...there may be a flaw..after all their are humans running it!!!!!!!!

Best of luck in your searching for whatever it is you people are looking for

ConsumerComment

Submitted: 7/17/2004 8:56:33 AM

Modified: 7/17/2004 9:57:48 AM
ConsumerComment

Mark

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Canada

Good and Bad in Everything - The Human Nature Factor

I am not am employee of Primerica, but my wife is. I have seen many people's lives improved financially because of what the company offers. In fact, my parents managed to avoid bankruptcy (they are retired and living on a fixed income) because of the programs that were introduced to them by my wife.

Now as far as the 'cult' aspect. It is true that in any type of business there are greedy and unethical people that will do anything for the almighty dollar. Go see several new car dealerships or see a few real estate angents and see how what percentage are really interested in your best interest.

My wife does not concentrate on recruiting. She concentrates on doing business and helping people. If someone decides to join the company along the line, great. If not, at least she helped people.

For those reading who think that the 'little people' never make any money in the company, I have seen many cheques come in with my wifes name on it after people were helped.

For those who try to use Primerica as a 'get-rich quick scheme', they will be dissapointed. You might earn lots of money, but it takes time and effort just like any other legitimate business.

FYI: If someone who is supposed to represent Primerica is not following company guidelines and is acting unethically, the best thing you can do is contact the 'compliance' department. Primerica agents are licenced by the State (USA) and Provinces (Canada) and the industry is highly re