• Report: #115425
Complaint Review:

123 Movers

  • Submitted: Sun, October 31, 2004
  • Updated: Thu, November 18, 2004

  • Reported By:Lancaster Europe
123 Movers
www.123movers.com Internet U.S.A.

123 Movers Do NOT Use Agents Advertised By 123 Movers, they Are Brokers For Scam Artists ripoff Internet

*Consumer Suggestion: New incarnations of old scammers

*Author of original report: Agents of scammers lie just like scammers

*Author of original report: BBB does give you a bad rating--maybe not the Southeast Florida branch, it's all about payoffs

*Consumer Suggestion: Here's the list so far... License revoked

*Consumer Suggestion: 123movers.com DOES advertise for scammers ..what a LOAD!

*UPDATE Employee: False Statements Regarding 123Movers.com

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I hired a moving company using 123movers.com to locate it. It turned out to be a scam--they took my goods, and my money, tried to hit me up for more money, then vanished. I was one of many victims (check out the complaints for Moving Services) and there are many many of these moving scam "companies."

I learned the owner of Moving Services had run two scams before this, also advertised with 123movers.com, and has now started up a new "company" advertised with them. 123movers does not check out the companies it advertises and cannot be trusted. In fact, many of its companies have turned out to be scams in the past(check out the FBI's movescam web site or call the FBI and they will verify this). 123movers has a terrible rating with the BBB. It's a clearing house for crooks. The owners of Moving Services have fled to Israel and are now running another scam advertised with 123movers.

Since Bush deregulated the moving industry, it is very easy for scam artists to register their scams as bonded, licensed, and insured companies, no matter how many times they have defrauded people in the past. Then they abuse laws designed to help struggling legitimate businessmen to claim bankruptcy and start a new scam all over again when they have just pocketed money, offered no services (except to steal your possessions), and claim they are broke. If your moving estimate seems too good to be true, it probably is. The company that defrauded me turned out not to even have a physical address when the Miami police went to check them out. Be sure your company has a physical address that you can check out, a long-term membership and clean slate with the BBB (though watch out--Southeast Florida BBB is a bit of a shambles and the company that defrauded me was able to claim long membership and a good rating when they had just started up a new scam--the third in their series of four).

Km
Bailrigg
United Kingdom

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

New incarnations of old scammers

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Kamilla, you brought up a good point that I forgot to address.

Scamemrs often abandon companies when the name gets too recognized as a scmmaer, or when bills pile up. Like Moving Services/ Movex International.

I looked at 30 companies, and listed 9 as having a license revocation somewhere. Of the other 21, 18 of them have had licenses only given at some point in the year 2004. From my own research, I can think of 10 of these as being new incarnations of old, bad companies. The others had a lot of the "red flags" associated with scammers, even after only two or three months of business.

There were two agents of major van lines listed. I hope they soon realize what bad company they keep.
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#2 Author of original report

Agents of scammers lie just like scammers

AUTHOR: Kamilla - (United Kingdom)

Thank you, Sharon, for setting the record straight. Anyone who wants to can check the facts for themselves.

123 Movers keeps promoting and advertising known scammers when they shut down one company to avoid taking responsibility for their scam and start up another to start scammingn again. Sharon Fachler has operated and shut down three known moving scams--all advertised with 123 Movers. They are now promoting his latest scam (MovEx International). 123 Movers has access to all of the information I have and that Sharon has--and much more--and they choose to ignore it for money gained by supporting crime. The BBB won't recognize Movex because of the owner's prior scams. 123 Movers shouldn't either. 123 Movers are either stupid, inept, or dishonest.

And they don't know their politics--it was Bush, not Clinton.
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#3 Author of original report

BBB does give you a bad rating--maybe not the Southeast Florida branch, it's all about payoffs

AUTHOR: Kamilla - (United Kingdom)

P.S. The BBB does give you a bad rating--maybe not the Southeast Florida branch, but anyone can check this out.

It is your job to check out the companies you advertise. Moving Services used a false address--their "Suite 358" office didn't even exist. Any responsible advertiser checks out what they advertise.

Customers--why take a risk with someone who is known to advertise scammers? Do your own research. Don't trust 123 Movers!
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Here's the list so far... License revoked

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Unlicensed movers currently being advertised on 123movers.com

Giant Van Lines- MC391156- License revoked August 2nd, still revoked.

Best Time Movers- MC454790- License revoked for two weeks this month

MegaMovers- MC464555- License revoked for one month in Sept.

Safari Moving- MC456653- Licence currently revoked.

Econo Moving (leagal name of Mor M&S)-MC416649-License revoked for 3 weeks in June

All American Moving & Storage- MC412361- License revoked (for the second time) for 6 months this year

East West Moving Company (legal name Globe Corp)-MC431076- license revoked for three weeks in July

ASAP Relocations- MC456075-licensed for moves only within CA, advertising for moves from CA to NY.

All Star Moving (San Jose)- MC356722-License revoked for the THIRD time for 6 months this year.

I reviewed 30 reports, from two major cities, in 10 minutes to get this list (which works out to just less than 30% of listed movers having records, just like I said). If I can do that, imagine what a group of employees can do to check that your client list is clean. If you are really worried about your reputation as an advertiser of good movers, get rid of this bunch.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

123movers.com DOES advertise for scammers ..what a LOAD!

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

I'm sorry Joe, but what a LOAD!

It is well known that 123movers.com advertises for any and all movers that want to pay you money, regardless of their "good" and "bad" ratings. At any given time, you can get a quote from 123movers, and at least 25-50% of the movers are unlicensed, ALL of them have complaints and/or are Blacklisted, and probably one or two of them are aliases of each other.

An example off the top of my head, WorldWide Relocations, MC# 500518 is currently advertising on your website. If you had truly bothered to check their license status before accepting their business, you would have seen that they applied for a license more than 2 months ago and have not yet received it (they STILL don't have insurance), yet you happily post their ad under the International Moving section.

Here's their FMCSA report showing their application process:

http://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/pkg_carrquery.prc_pendapplication?pv_apcant_id=413912&pv_legal_name=WORLDWIDE^RELOCATIONS,^INC.&pv_pref_docket=MC500518&pv_usdot_no=N/A&pv_vpath=LIVIEW

Give me 24 hours, and I can come up with a list of about 30 other names of movers whose licenses are currently revoked, or were never given, or who never applied for one in the first place.

Please, folks, do not fall for "Joe's" lines. Any mover found through 123movers.com should be immediately suspect. Better yet, avoid any and all movers found by inputing your move info into a website. You should contact your mover, not the other way around.

Tell Nate Ashkenazi that these kinds of rebuttals will not win him any business.
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#6 UPDATE Employee

False Statements Regarding 123Movers.com

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

The record needs to be set straight about the charges Km makes about 123 Movers.com, the company I work for. There are many points he (or she) brings up that need to be addressed, but the most important thing to keep in mind is this: none of what Km writes is true, and there's a lot they're not telling you.

All of us here take great offense at being called scam artists. 123 Movers.com is committed to seeing that our customers aren't victimized by unscrupulous movers. To understand why and how we do this, you first have to understand what services we offer. 123 Movers.com is an advertising service, just like your local Yellow Pages. Moving companies from across the U.S. pay for listings on our site in the same way your local pizza place or auto mechanic pays to have their advertisements placed in the Yellow Pages. 123 Movers.com does not in any way endorse and is in no way affiliated with the movers we list. We are not moving company brokers.

That said, before we list any moving company on our site, we check with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) and/or local authorities, when applicable, to make sure that they have all the licenses the government requires moving companies to have. If a company doesn't have the proper licenses, they don't get on our website. Unfortunately, just like having a driver's license doesn't guarantee that anyone is a good driver, having the proper moving licenses doesn't ensure that a mover is honest. In addition, if a mover's license is revoked after we check it, we have no way to know about it until consumers inform us. 123 Movers.com is a small company, and we don't have the manpower to constantly update license information, much though we would like to.

To try and ensure that we only advertise honest movers, we at 123 Movers.com encourage customer feedback and take complaints very seriously. If we receive repeated consumer complaints about a particular moving company they've located through us, that company is promptly kicked off our site.

That's exactly what happened with the moving company Km used Moving Services in Florida. When we received several complaints about them, we terminated our relationship. Unbeknownst to us, individuals from Moving Services did start another company, Move Ex, and advertised on our site under the new name. However, within a week we discovered their deception and again removed them from 123 Movers.com.

At no point was anyone at our company contacted by Km to report his / her bad experience. If we had been, we certainly would have taken action.

Km makes several other points which are patently false or misinformed:

They claim that many of the companies we list were investigated as part of the FBI's Move Scam' operation. No company we have ever listed was involved with that investigation. The following link (http://miami.fbi.gov/movescam.htm) lays it all out.

-They claim we have a horrible reputation with the Florida BBB. In fact, 123 Movers.com isn't listed with the Florida BBB at all. They have no record of us, good or bad.

-They claim that Bush deregulated the moving industry. The moving industry has indeed been de-regulated. However, the legislation relevant to that process was passed in 1980 and 1995 under presidents Reagan and Clinton.

It is important that consumers stay informed and ask the right questions of the movers they chose, whether through 123 Movers.com or any other channel. However, these accusations are misguided and poorly thought out.

Thanks,
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