• Report: #920776
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Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm

  • Submitted: Wed, August 01, 2012
  • Updated: Mon, August 13, 2012

  • Reported By: gregtitus — atlanta Georgia United States of America
Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm
6135 S Stratler St. Murray, Utah United States of America

Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm Vince Scarpuzzi Rip Off Telemarketer scam thief scammers Murray, Utah

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: We ARe Honest- There Are Just A Bunch Of People Who Hate Us!

*UPDATE Employee: One other NOTE to point out on this SLANDER

*UPDATE Employee: False complaint

*Author of original report: Write Off The Money You Sent To Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm

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Boy, where to start? This is all such a jumbled mess.

I was contacted by Accomplish Learning about setting up a web site and getting an e-commerce income stream. I was going to get a full fledged business, website, seo, and top of google rankings. Accomplish set me up with financing (which in itself turned out to be an expensive scam). Then they turned me over to their partners "The Black Box Firm". to coach me and make my site.

So after a few weeks, I finally get my website. It is pretty cheesy looking, and I say so. They don't care- they say they did their bit, and they want 5K. And they want even more money to get the SEO going and get the Google ranking.

Needless to say, anyone who promises you top of google is a scam. And so I looked into this more, and found out this is just a continuation of a scam these guys are famous in Utah for. It seems there are two guys named Aaron Christner and Ryan Jensen (I think- they have a few aliases, but I think this is their real names!). Every year or so, the Utah Depart ment of Consumer Affairs shuts them down and fines them, and then they pop up under a new name, and start scamming people again. I looked up their previous company's with BBB, and they all score an "F"- look here:. [continued below]....

Accomplish Learning Group
Diverse Marketing LLC
Simplified Marketing LLC
The Black Box Firm LLC

At least they are consistent, huh? From the reports at the BB online, it looks like they just abandon their customers after a couple months. I can say that is EXACTLY my experience. They do not even answer their phones any more when I call! Why should they- they got my money already!

They must have pissed off a lot of people, because there are a LOT of complaints about them on the Interwebs. I see from some posts that they also do not pay their bills or their employees. Nice guys. I googled some more, and I found some very well researched sites into this scam. Here is one site with a lot of background on The Black Box Firm, including court documents backing up the claims and court cases against Aaron Christner and Ryan Scott Jensen. Here is a similar site showing the Accomplish Learning Group scam.

Along the wayt, I also see that Christner and Jensen are trying to muddy the water with sites of their own, claiming they are nice guys and give to charity and all. I seriously doubt that... and there certianly is no documentary proof of it. The above linked sites show actual court judgements against Christner and Jensen, and new ones every year. I think it is obvious who is pulling the scams here!

My advice- if you get a call from anyone- research it closely on the web. If you get a call from Christner and Jensen, hang up immediately. These two are no good at all!

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

We ARe Honest- There Are Just A Bunch Of People Who Hate Us!

AUTHOR: achristner - (United States of America)

I just wanted to respond to all these accusations against my company. They are all false. These are filed by disgruntled employees or people who bought our system and did not follow through. If they did what we told them to do, and kept working, I am sure they would have made money at some time. So if they did not make money, it is their own fault, not mine! They need to work harder, and quit complaining and asking ME for a refund! Just don't be so lazy.

And then there are those disgruntled employees. They keep publishing all these false stories about us, just because a few pay checks bounced... or because we forgot to pay them. GROW UP! Get a REAL job. Don't keep begging me for money... if you worked harder, we would make more money and I could pay you. But know you are too lazy, so we don't make enough money for us to pay you! Its ALL your fault! I know it is nt my fault, because it keeps happening. There are disgruntled employees (LAZY PEOPLE) from 2009. There are more in 2010... and some of them even took us to court. I know it was not our fault because even though we lost at the labor commission, they never made us pay... so it was not our fault! And now we have people this year adding more complaints just because we did not pay them. I just say MAN UP! You expect too much! It is NOT MY FAULT!

We have plenty of happy customers, and lots of happy employees. We get new ones every week. Just because a bunch of old, lazy employees and customers take us to court does NOT make them right- it just makes them lazy, vindictive liars. I know, because I know they truth! If they would only work for a change, they would be fine! But NO.... they blame it all on me and Ryan, when we are only here to help them!!!!! We are their best friends if they only knew it! OK, well maybe Mad Cow and Level 11 were scams, but we do not scam people anymore! We are past that, we are honest now. But this history keeps following us. Can't we get beyond that and start over fresh?

So I guess we lost another court case a few weeks ago... i dunno because I did not go. Why should I- they are all just out to get me and Ryan! Ryan is the nicest guy in the world, and so am I! We want to help homeless people and give food to the hungry... and we will, some day. I will buy food for the hungry (and I will make sure THAT check bounces!!!) In the mean time, I have to work doubly hard to keep my doors open because I have so many ex employees and ex-customers suing me! That makes it sdo hard for me to make an honest days work. But that is all I and Ryan do- we work hard all day and we NEVER smoke pot!

So don't listen to those loosers and vindictive lazy people- they are the ones with a problem! They are only just out to get me and Ryan. There is no truth to what they say or they are lazy and spiteful. We are honest and work hard!

And to "MAD IN Kentucky"- thanks for backing us up! I like how you write: Don't even have the guts to put your real name on a fake comment... touche! ANd like you say in the second post, it is just a whole bunch of people with a "personal vendetta"... its not our fault if a whole bunch of peole (who happen to be LAZY) all decide to have a personal vendetta against us! NOT OUR FAULT!!!!!
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One other NOTE to point out on this SLANDER

AUTHOR: MAD IN Kentucky - (United States of America)

For all you gullible readers.....

 If you notice the Design work that's on this specific post stating The Black Box Firm is a scam at the top here.... take a look..... That is the exact logo from their website...

 You obviously didn't purchase anything or even buy a website from this company so right there is a lie!

 Looks like you just stole their banner and added it to their post... This is probably just some former employee that thinks they know what they are talking about.... They don't sale websites for 5k. Again put the URL here that they built for you and show some owner ship.. Because other than that your POST IS A LIE and pretty week dumb a**!

Probably the same loser posting the other posts here which are fake. If you have a personal vendetta just say you have one... I am sure you will get more followers and better results by being honest with yourself!

KEEP IN MIND that banner was probably stolen from these guys along with the other personal information you stole.... Come back down to real world not cyber world you freak!
 If you have a problem with The Black Box Firm contact them directly and talk to them at 877-908-0178... 
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AUTHOR: MAD IN Kentucky - (United States of America)

If you really signed up and got a website with them what is the domain name called? I think this post is a lie and someone is just internet stalking these guys.... Plenty of happy clients... I fund it funny the same people repost over and over here under new names! Don't even have the guts to put your real name on a fake comment... Come up with a URL that they built for you? Oh wait you can't.. FALSE COMPLAINT! Same old jokers... Get a job you bum!
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#4 Author of original report

Write Off The Money You Sent To Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm

AUTHOR: gregtitus - (United States of America)

Unfortunately, these telemarketing scammers are broke. You will never get your products, and you will never get your money. Look at the other reports on these guys.... they don't pay their vendors or employees, they do not pay their court fines.... Aaron Christner and and Ryan Scott Jensen are flat out dead beats.

If you do want any pleasure out of this... get payback. File fraud reports with the Utah Attorney General, or your state AG's office. If they have bounced a check to you, report it. If you did not get paid, report it to the labor commission.

My advice- if you get a call from anyone- research it closely on the web. If you get a call from Christner and Jensen, hang up immediately. These two are no good at all! And if you have had the unfortunate problem of already being ripped off by these crooks... I would write the money off. These two are experts at evading responsibility.

If you REALLY do want to get back at these guys, report it to State of Utah, Utah Division of Consumer Protection at 801-530-6601 or 1-800-721-SAFE. Ask for Adam Watson.
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