Report: #377863

Complaint Review: Al Collins Graphic Design School - Collins College - CEC Corporation Info

  • Submitted: Wed, October 01, 2008
  • Updated: Mon, May 12, 2014
  • Reported By: Peoria Arizona
  • Al Collins Graphic Design School - Collins College - CEC Corporation Info
    1140 S Priest Dr
    Tempe, Arizona

Al Collins Graphic Design School - Collins College - CEC Corporation Info Join the Class Action Suit? Here is some info about the Corporation behind this sham of a school Tempe Arizona

*General Comment: Collins college can't get me a proper job

*Consumer Comment: Former Students (98-01)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: former student

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: AA in animation is worthless

*Consumer Comment: Include Me In Class Action

*Consumer Comment: AA degree from 2002 and still loan shackled

*Consumer Comment: Another Collins Victim for Class Action Suit

*Consumer Comment: Another Graduate For the Class Action Against Collins College/ C.E.C

*Consumer Comment: Still going on?

*General Comment: Collins College ripped me off, along with thousands of others.

*General Comment: I too have been lied too,

*General Comment: Class Action Law Suit Collins

*Consumer Comment: If this is still continuing, please make contact

*General Comment: I would like to be apart of this Class Action Lawsuit!!!

*General Comment: count me in


*Consumer Comment: I Would Like To Join

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Contact Me ASAP

*General Comment: Scammed by Collins College

*Consumer Comment: Fooled as well...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: In Response to #24 from #22

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I want to be included in the suit. Former student, teachers assistant and housing assistant

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: bad behavior

*Consumer Comment: Former Student

*General Comment: Class action lawsuit???

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Lied to, Ripped off and In Debt

*Consumer Suggestion: I want in on the lawsuit

*Consumer Suggestion: Amen!

*Consumer Comment: regret even going to this school

*Consumer Comment: Same here!

*Consumer Comment: I want to join the class action lawsuit

*Consumer Comment: Joining Lawsuit

*General Comment: Curious if anything is being done...

*General Comment: collins college ruined my life!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I have some info, old as it might be

*General Comment: I was lied to by CEC as well.

*Author of original report: Update on Lawsuit

*General Comment: Like to join...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: I went there and fought them..They admitted to me all about this.and payed me in hard drives and RAM to keep quiet!

*General Comment: they need their license revoked

*Consumer Comment: I will join

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Previous student/staff interested in joining suit.

*Consumer Comment: replying to your article...i want in on the class action suit as well!!!! please tell me how!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Count me in

*Consumer Comment: Please Contact me!

*General Comment: How can I join the suit?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: need to join

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I am attempting to start a class action lawsuit against Al Collins Graphic Design School now known as Collins College. There are several posts on Rip off report involving them. I too experienced false admissions statements regarding placement rates, graduate salaries amongst other omissions which equate to lies.

I live in the Phoenix area and have been laughed out of interviews without even looking at my book or worse- never gotten a response due to their poor reputation in the industry.

The first job I did get in this town the employer told me he wasn't going to hire anyone from that school but because I had great personality, good portfolio, great attendance and graduated with honors he would give me a shot. Sadly the company closed down a few years later (he retired) but he told me and others that I was the best employee he had ever had and he was glad that he hired me and gave me a great letter of recommendation.

I then was able to find employment out of state but when I moved back to AZ due to family being here- it started all over due to their reputation which had gotten even worse- if that's possible. Employers had even put in classified ads No Collins Students or graduates need apply I find it difficult to pay back a student loan when I cannot find a job in the industry paying what I was told their graduates were earning.

It is criminal that I have to pay for something that I can't even be proud of or put on my resume due to it counting me out before I'm counted in and the professional embarrassment it causes. Ive had people even be surprised that I was a graduate since they thought no one capable comes out of there. I had a graduate recently tell me he started his own company but doesn't tell his employees or clients that he attended Collins. Sad

I recently asked for a copy of my transcript to have it arrive being shown as a withdrawal. I graduated from the AA program with Honors and completed the Graphic portion of the BA to be told I have to go to another school, take out more loans to complete my BA general education units in order to obtain the degree from them. They did not provide gen ed units on their campus. This was years ago when I was told this (1995).

When I recently contacted them and asked the current requirements (I am going to re-educate in a Master Degree program and need my BA completed first) I was told the requirements now is 10 General Education units but I would be held to the 64 units when I attended 13 years ago. I have transfer credit from FIDM in LA and they said originally they would transfer them and now have balked at that.

They said the transcript mix up was a data conversion error all my classes were lumped together and it didn't show me a graduate of either program. They weren't even sure how to correct it. They couldn't find my physical file in storage which is a violation of their accreditation to my understanding. I still do not have a corrected transcript and have not seen my physical file. As soon as I receive it I am taking the credits to another reputable school to complete my BA so I can remove them from my resume completely as it is the equivalent of a scarlet letter in this industry.

I have had enough of their nonsense and don't want another person to go thru this. I would like to have my money back and they can have their useless piece of paper back. That may not be an option but at the very least we should be compensated for our trouble, humiliation and lack of return on our investment of time and money. Many other students who have been duped by this sham of school should come together with me and join a Class Action against them.

I also know several former instructors who will give depositions and have received more than 12 emails from people wanting to join the suit. These 12 were found from doing an online post for less than 24 hours about joining a suit against Collins. Funny that I placed it in the classifieds for design/art jobs section and got that big of a response. They cant find jobs in the field either. I'm sure if I were to really try to find people it would be a landslide.

For the posters who just want to bash the victims of this fraud- do you blame a rape victim because of the way they were dressed as well? If things worked out well for you Bravo- that was my intention in this investment of time and energy- there are MANY people who have not shared your experience- You must be the one or two students that they used to create their questionable 92% placement rate and large salary earnings.

I was delusional for a long time and defensive about defending the school too- it was defending my decision and talent and investment. I had no control of the school going further and further down the tubes as they years went by. I have had to deal with this for many years.

To attack mine or anyone else's skills is juvenile and lacking the common knowledge that it is illegal to sell a product or service with false or misleading information especially if it causes them harm or financial loss.

Anyway- don't their ads claim recently that you don't have to be an artist anymore to work in the industry- I am an artist and have experience and still face discrimination. Its criminal that you have to deny or omit them from your resume when they wont call you unless you do and alot of companies now wont hire anyone without a degree- sad catch 22 when you are paying for something you cannot use.

To further evidence the unscrupulous and disreputable nature of this company and the Corporation that owns them read this article on CEC who owns Collins.

Post here if you want to join-
I will contact you.
Negative posters- keep it to yourself- if your so happy why are you here-
Ive had enough negativity to last a lifetime from this place-
I want justice and to be done with it

Peoria, Arizona

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#1 General Comment

Collins college can't get me a proper job

AUTHOR: Mathew - (USA)

My name is Mathew and I too went to Collins college in Phoenix AZ I graduated in 2014 and got my associates degree in graphic and web design but so far I cannot get a job in graphic design or web design as well one person I worked for for about a month thought of me and my degree as a joke. He hired me for college credit and then when I asked to be put on for pay he let me go and told me that Collins was a joke and that I don't need to get paid for wiling for him, after that I could never get an interview I did recieve three total and when they heard me say I go to Collins college they gave me a look and said I'll call you but never got a call I worked at Walmart and Burger King and I have not yet to work in an office that deals with what I learned.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Former Students (98-01)

AUTHOR: Shades - ()

Attempted a class action suit in 2001/2002 but dropped because "nobody's going to believe a bunch of kids". Everything stated here is true, and I'm surprised at many other "issues" that haven't been brought up. If this ever goes to class action, or if someone else can benefit from my previous suffering at the hands of this scam that looks like school I'd love to be involved. I still have contact with most of the students from our original attempt.

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

former student

AUTHOR: jwelch - ()

Is this class action suit still taking on people?  I was a student at Al Collins Graphic Design School or Collins College whatever they are calling themselves.  I was a student there from 1997-2001, I received my associates degree and my bachelor's degree all with promises of a job when I was through.  I worked hard to get those degrees and averaged a B in my time. When my demo reel and portfolio were ready , I went the job placement office for help. They handed me the want ads from the paper, the ads that said no Collins graduates were very real.  Now over 10 years later I am still not working in the field I went to school for because no one will hire me and I have a student loan hanging over my head that I have not been able to pay much on. I have to choose between rent or my student loan.  

In addition I have also requested a copy of my transcripts so I could try  to go back to school at a reputable school .  I have made repeated calls to them over 2 years still no transcripts. 

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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

AA in animation is worthless

AUTHOR: Corey - ()

 I’m from the Sacramento area in California and me, my wife, and son moved to Mesa just so I could go to school there. I graduated in 2002 with an AA in Animation.  Had my video tapes ready, my portfolio set, I was ready for the job of a lifetime that they said I would get. I got nothing.  I moved back to Sacramento.  I applied to over 100 different places with movies, TV, and video games.  Nothing.

 When I called the school to ask for help (I don’t remember her name, only that she was an 80’s rocker chick) she said apply to here, here, and here. I would and got nothing.  This went on for over a year.  Only a few places actually replied back saying that I needed more experience. Now I’m suck with a fat bill.  But I did come home with a bunch of art supplies that they made me get and we never used in any of the classes. 

The whole program was rushed and never got to create anything worth showing.  The group project at the end would have been great if over half the people in my group stayed with the project.  The place is crap and I’m pissed. 

I now work for the State of California and oil paint as a hobby.  Still not getting paid at a job that I went to school for. If there is a lawsuit, I’m in.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Include Me In Class Action

AUTHOR: Donna - ()

Include me in the lawsuit when there is one, I was one of the first students through this school in the early 80's and in all the time since have not been able to use any of the useless training.

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#6 Consumer Comment

AA degree from 2002 and still loan shackled

AUTHOR: Kristin - ()

I graduated in 2002 and got my AA degree. Collins never helped me get job placement that they promised. I couldn't find work at all since. While there, the teachers didn't help teach they were mostly former students trying to use and figure out the equipment to help themselves get their own jobs and passed out papers of "how to" figure out the programs ourselves. Here I am 12 years later STILL PAYING A 25k SALLIE MAE STUDENT LOAN. I have yet to get ANY work from. This school is still sucking money out of me. My loan was 25k and I am still having to pay 16k left plus interest .. I'm sure I've paid more than that over the last 12 years. I have never received any help that school promised in finding employment. In 2008 I had a very hard time financially (as most did) I went through a separation and unemployment for a while and had moved across some states as a single mom and couldn't pay my loan and had deferred that sallie mae loan to it's limit. Ended up any money I made and taxes were being garnished.. I am now on a loan rehabilitation program.. now I'm a self employed musician which is not a steady income.. this school is a scam. If we can be forgiven of these shackles of loans from this school I'm in!

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#7 Consumer Comment

Another Collins Victim for Class Action Suit

AUTHOR: mikejohnbeck - ()

I posted this in a separate place on this site, but wanted it to be attached to this chain:


Another victim of this awful school. When I first applied, it was Al Collins School of Design. Not long before my first day of school, it was changed to Collins College. On my first day of orientation, there were groups of people protesting outside of the school. Not a good sign. It worried me, but i chalked it up to frustrated students who just couldn't find work and wanted to blame the school. At that point, and because i wanted to believe the school was reputable, i took to defending the school rather than the protesters.

I attended school. Some classes were okay. I liked my instructors for the most part, but you could tell they, themselves, were frustrated with the school. They never spoke about it, but you could tell they weren't happy about something. Time went by, i stayed only for my AA and decided it wasn't worth remaining there for my BA.

I tried to find work. Like most people have said on here, employers would not accept graduates from this school. They had such a bad name and reputation at this point that no one would take former students on as employees. I began to understand what was happening, why people had been protesting, why the college changed names. I felt stupid for not seeing it sooner, and for applying in the first place. I still clung to some hope that if i left and headed back east, where i'm from, maybe i'd find work there. No one back east knew about Collins's reputation, and that was a good thing.

Back east, i quickly realized how much I didn't know about the field i had gone to school for. I talked with many recruiters and creative placement agencies. Some of them even asked me if Graphic Design was what i was meant to do, after looking at my "portfolio." I second guessed everything. I felt awful about myself, my career path, and the overall sense that i had wasted crucial time and money. I took three jobs at that point: front desk operator at a rec center, part time toys r us employee, and pizza delivery boy. Not something i had hoped to do after graduating with a degree, but you do what you have to. i put myself out there, time and again, hoping for some work. I was rejected almost every time.

Eventually, i was able to scrounge up some work from a local law firm. i did some business cards and posters. It felt good to be designing. It was my first freelance gig. I did this for awhile. i looked online at design sites and tutorials, i tried to study as much as possible from what i could find on the web from other designers and artists. This helped greatly in my real understanding of design. The education i received at Collins felt more and more ridiculous.

It took me a long time, but i finally got lucky creating ads for a local newspaper company. And like someone else here had said, it was a case where my personality won over my resume and education. I didn't make great money, but i had a foot in the door, in the direciton i had hoped it would go. Luckily, i have a decent job now doing package design. But when i talk to other designers and colleagues, and hear about what they were taught in college, i realize just how much of an education i had missed. And when i pay my student loans each month i grit my teeth, because i'm reminded of the money and time that went to NOTHING, that i'm still paying for to this day, 11 years later.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Another Graduate For the Class Action Against Collins College/ C.E.C

AUTHOR: CoreyWMiller - ()

I myself have also been shafted by the wrongdoings of Collins and would love to join the Class Action vs Collins. I attended Collins, graduated from the Game Design program with my BA. Was promised by Collins to have job placement within the Game industry, which they never upheld amongst numerous other false promises such as being taught by industry experienced professors, industry standardized education and more. Find me on the "book face" find my company "steadfast studios llc" and can be found thru the about 

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#9 Consumer Comment

Still going on?

AUTHOR: Jace - ()

Attended the school and was a complete waste. Is this class action lawsuit going on? I would like to join.

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#10 General Comment

Collins College ripped me off, along with thousands of others.

AUTHOR: Robert D C - ()

I had been a union grocery clerk for 15 years when after Albertsons grocery stores in Northern California closed. I found myself out of a job.

Like thousands of others I was lured by a late night television infomercial on another sleepless night spent worrying about my future. Go to Graphic Design School and earn $70,000+ per year! This sounded good to me so I made the mistake of picking up the phone and calling the 800 number.

I had to  "apply" I say "apply" because they made it seem I had to be accepted. I had to send them samples of my art work and they said based on that I might be accepted. Acceptance was obviously based on whether or not I was eligible for the student loans necessary to enroll me.  

Anyway 3 weeks after being "accepted" I was in class. I attended Collins College from 1998-2001 when it was called Al Collins Graphic Design School and graduated with a B.A. in Visual Communication.

I initially went there thinking I could get my A.A. and get started, but even after that 1 year(+) I felt I couldn't expect to be hired knowing only what I knew. I decided then to stick it out and get my B.A. after-all I had cashed in my 401k and relocated to Arizona from California. I wanted so much to believe that if I worked hard I would be rewarded. This was an "accredited" university.

Just before I graduated I was hired by an Arizona publisher as a paid intern @ $10 per hour. I was thrilled at first to have a "foot in the door" looking forward to beginning my new career, but within a few weeks I realized my education was lacking in a big way to that of the graphic designers listed on the masthead. I discovered that my education was less than respected by the other designers in the office and later by my employer. After being there over a year, I was denied even a small raise.

I decided it was time to look for another job and found many classified ads that plainly said "NO AL COLLINS GRADS".
Needless to say I was mortified to learn that all my time and money had been a waste.

I feel I was duped by the recruiter. I was told after graduating I could look forward to a career and expect approx $70,000 per year.  I have been unable to find work as a graphic designer that offers more than $12 per hour.

I should have trusted my instincts and got out the first semester, as what I could tell the instructors were learning the programs (Adobe Illustrator etc.) right along with the students. I went to the administration with my concerns and was told that the industry had only just gone digital and the technology was brand new. They told me to "just hang in there"... "the curriculum would advance".

I wasted 3 years of my life. I am discouraged and in debt!

I am now burdened by a student loan that is in default and with interest and penalties they say I owe more that $78,000! I have been hounded and threatened by bill collectors. The defaulted loan has blocked me from being hired, as even by the federal government will not even consider hiring someone with an outstanding student loan in default. I now this because I tried to get work at T.S.A. and read this in the application. I feel that my student loan was a "bad loan" much like the real estate loans that caused the recent recession.

In my opinion he U.S. Department of Education is no more innocent than the school. These loans (my loan) should have never been given in the first place. At the time I was granted the loan(s) I was totally unemployed!

I don't know even one person I graduated with that is employed now as a Graphic Designer.

I have hoped to be part of a class action suit to shut down this "joke" of a school. I recent heard they are no longer "taking new student" and plan to close in 2016... to let the students currently enrolled to finish out.

My advice to any remaining Collins College students to get out before you waste another minute or dollar!

Robert ****
Redding, CA 96002
(((phone number and email redacted)))
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#11 General Comment

I too have been lied too,

AUTHOR: Emerson - ()

I graduated from Collins college in 2009 and pretty much stuck in loans, this has ruin my life. When I graduate my class and got my BA degree in game design, I put my polished up resume to career services to get sent too the job industry. They fail to send it out to the industries. The advisor were bouncing it around the other career adviser and my resume end up back in my hand with edit marks on what to fix... but it was fix from the last advisor, it didnt make sense to me. I gave up on them and started looking for work to pay off my loans. Im stuck in 60k in loans and its just pilling up due to intrest from sali mae. No one wants to hire collins college students and the piece of paper doesnt mean anything and the school closed down, I want my money back so I can get this loans off me,
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#12 General Comment

Class Action Law Suit Collins

AUTHOR: Kenneth_Davis - ()

I went there until just recently and thought that the school was accredited now the 30,000 I spent to get my degree is gone and the school has closed and none of those credits will transfer to any nationally accredited school, does anyone know what I can do to get the funds back/ false and misleading by telling me the school was accredited and that the credits could be used. now I am out years of time and tens of thousands of dollars? What do I do?
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#13 Consumer Comment

If this is still continuing, please make contact

AUTHOR: Anonymous - ()

I too would like to participate in this.  I have been seeking information regarding these topics since hearing about the closure of the school.

I am a former student (graduate) and would like more information regarding the situation.

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#14 General Comment

I would like to be apart of this Class Action Lawsuit!!!

AUTHOR: JMen - (United States of America)

I was a student at Collins College and feel that not only did the school rip me off but so did Sallie Mae. During the time that I was a Collins I was move class and teachers many times; this did not help with grades. The tried to make it right by giving us programs they but many of the programs were free to the school. Many good teacher left the school causing a lot of the switching of classes. Though I have gotten a job in the industry the Pay that the school said I would make was about half right. The school helped me a lot when I finished school to find work but not with out many of the needed tools that I feel i paid for. This is where I feel the school failed and lied about the school I would receive.

  The other issue that I have with the school is how it helped lie about the Sallie Mae recourse loan. While in school the people in the office helping with financial aid told me that the recourse loan and a different type of Federal Loan but now that I am out of work I can't stop the loan payments with out causing my loan payments to go up. I have tried to work with Sallie Mae but they will not budge. I feel that Sallie Mae used the school to make a lot of loans under fails and half truths.

Just one person voice.
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#15 General Comment

count me in

AUTHOR: mandoat - (United States of America)

Hi there, all the information you stated is true. Funny that they changed their name as their attempt to fix the bad word they have. I too have had many issues with the credit transfers.
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#16 General Comment


AUTHOR: Jman - (United States of America)

I'll keep it short but experienced similar situations as those above me.  My greatest concern is the loan issues I've already paid the $28k they said it would cost to go to the school but I'm still in debt for $19k and I'm not sure why..  This was a FAIL of a college experience, I could have just started working in the design field at a crap job and got a better educaton.   PLEASE CONTACT ME ABOUT THE LAWSUIT.
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#17 Consumer Comment

I Would Like To Join

AUTHOR: familiardreams - (United States of America)

I am Collins College Alumni and would like to join this Class Action Suit. Please send me information on how I can join.

Thank you,
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#18 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Contact Me ASAP

AUTHOR: cOREY w mILLER - (United States of America)

Hello, my name is Corey Miller, I am a grad from Collins with my BA in Game Design; same story of how horridly horrid this skool truly is. I am quite interested in joining the lawsuit, as I feel quite ripped-off! I still live in tempe. Though, instead of throwing myself at companies I have made my own , cause I have seen how harshly almost every professional "industry standard" company views Collins grads, and it is fraked up, because we have been robbed of our time, money, and force fed lies they call curriculum! 

this is the way to say hey

Tempe, AZ
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#19 General Comment

Scammed by Collins College

AUTHOR: Jman - (United States of America)

Like thousands of others I have been scammed by this school.  I signed up for the school got all my paperwork done got my co-signer for my loans and started classes.  A few months in and they told me I had to sign a loan document so I could continue going to school.  This happened three more times before I finished my classes and after I graduated I contacted my co-signer and worked out a deal where I just paid him a payment every month and he paid the loan.  A few months after we finished paying off the the loans $25K + interest I was contacted about the loans I signed to stay in school.  I thought the loans where part of my school payment not an additional payment to the school above the $25K I agreed to.  Now I'm getting wages garnished and income tax returns taken until I pay off an additional $15,000 + $6,000 in interest after I've already paid for my student loans...  I'm so mad at them for pulling one over on an 18 year old with no business sense. 

If there is a lawsuit of any kind please contact me asap!  I have all kinds of paperwork to prove my claim and I am currently seeking legal advice in any possible manner.
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#20 Consumer Comment

Fooled as well...

AUTHOR: consumer - (United States of America)

I see this was posted back in 2008 but I'm hoping I can get in on this as well. I too was fooled into enrolling at this terrible place. I have nothing to show for it except a nauseating amount of debt. When I woke up three quarters through the program and discovered this was not a nationally recognized or respected school I then withdrew and transferred to an accreted college. Unfortunately none of the classes I took at Collins would be excepted to transfer so I had to retake classes adding even more debt. Upon first registering at Collins College I met with financial aid and it was not explained to me the lending process, interest rates, or payback guidelines. At that time fresh out of highschool I didn't understand what I had agreed to. This must be stopped please contact me with any details of how I can be involved. Thank you.
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#21 UPDATE EX-employee responds

In Response to #24 from #22

AUTHOR: Fionax - (United States of America)


You definitely raise some valid points about many of the lackluster students who went to Collins. My class of 40 was reduced to a class of about 12 because of these students failing out, and we were considered a rather large class at the end. It is true that a many students failed because they felt entitled to having everything handed to them. I also agree that many of them try to blame the teachers when they were not at fault. I loved my teachers, they were about the only good thing in my experience there. 

But this marks where our agreement ends.

What you fail to take into account is that a majority of those who have posted here are alumni, AKA those that have graduated. Most of us are not people that dropped or failed out because of our own laziness. I personally made all A's and B's and graduated with a 3.7 GPA. My demo reel is still displayed in the schools front office. In other words, I worked very hard.

Now I am not noting this to sound arrogant or superior, but to make a point. Your experience is not the experience most of us have had. You were lucky. You shouldn't make assumptions about the rest of us, accusing us of being lazy or stupid, when it is quite clear that it is not the case. 

most of the issues that I, as well as many, had with the school were in regards to the administration, not the teachers or even the education. The administration are the ones who lied to us and stole from us. Just because you didn't have a bad experience at the school doesn't mean the rest of us hadn't, and to argue that all of our pain and misfortune is irrelevant because YOU didn't have a bad time is both insulting and unfair. I am sincerely glad you found a job and are happy with your education, and I hope this continues for you, but I would appreciate if you would stand back and let those of us whose lives have been severely harmed by an unfeeling and remorseless thief of a company get our chance at reparations. Thank you.

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#22 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I want to be included in the suit. Former student, teachers assistant and housing assistant

AUTHOR: ftn807 - (USA)

I want to be included in the class action lawsuit.

I am a former student, teaching aid and housing assistant for Al Collins. I can tell you that from experience this is just a tiny bit of what was going on. Yes, a lot of it is true and most students did not get placed with jobs like they were promised. Housing was terrible and a lot of crime was covered up during my time working there. 

As a housing assistant I had a script I was given to read to all perspective students being placed. I was also coached on how to deal with the parents that would call. Any time that I noticed any thing wrong or questioned the methods that were being used I was quickly reprimanded. I was also a student so I know that what these other students are saying sounds like they are being bitter and lazy but I don't believe it to be the case in most. The financial aid would tell students that they were running out of money and would not be able to complete their degrees unless they found some more money. A lot of us got our poor parents to sign for parent plus loans and that still did not cover it. Housing was such a mess we placed kids that clearly should not have been put together in the same apartment. There was a lot of drugs and sexual assault I was told was being dealt with, was never even handled. Students were required to pay their rent, usually $1000.00 a month. It did cover some utilities and furniture rental. The apartment complex was getting such a high kick back for each student. A typical 2 bedroom apartment would house 4 students at $1000.00 each although rent for similar apartment rented on your own is $1000 for entire unit. You could not break the lease if you did not get along with your roommate. Sometimes I would switch people around when my boss was not, around to help them out.

As a teaching assistant I was told by the teacher to assist the students to help them pass. The teachers would not tell them directly what they needed to do to pass the class. They made me do that dirty work. I was told to tell them what things would be covered on tests, what projects to complete at a minimum to get credit for the class. I was told that if I did not do these things I would not get the TA credit time as I did not perform the duties.

As a student the credits I had received were not transferrable to any school I have yet to find. No company I have found will consider my schooling as actual training. Employment assistance was a joke. I was not offered one opportunity to showcase my skills. I am still to this day buried in debt as are my parents as they were talked into signing for a parent plus loan. I was a victim of sexual assault and went to counselor for assistance as I did not know what to do at the time. They told me to fill out paperwork and sent me to the hospital 3 days later and gave me $50 for the hospital visit when evidence was no longer. The other student had nothing happen to him. I had to fight to get put in different classes (night shift) to avoid being near him. I was in the same apartment building as him and even being a housing assistant I was not approved to be transferred to another apartment complex. Due to these circumstances I was forced to leave school in my last year and left with bills, no job, no transferrable credits, no possibility of getting a job without a degree, and mental anguish of what happened to me and my dfrminuby4vtrc2zw    family because of this place.
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#23 UPDATE EX-employee responds

bad behavior

AUTHOR: Cruz cntrl - (U.S.A.)

I was an instructor there from 1999-2001. I can tell you that that there was no shortage of poorly prepared students, or students that had very little knowledge of what being an adult required. However, I can list the MANY conversations with administration that openly admitted that such students were the taget market, and thus, our 'customers.'

As best as I and a handful of the faculty could manage, we tried to implore the directors to institute solid industry standards and hold every student accountable to those standards.

Basically, anything that might require the target market's poor abilities to get 'too' challenged were often argued off the table, or given as an option to whatever faculty wanted to use them. So, I might require a class to do 30 thumbnail sketches, and another only 5 or so (if they even required anything).

We'd often get students in the later quarters that were completely misdirected in skills of pre-press, production, design fundamentals, or critical thinking. Unbenounced to those of us who were simply requiring industry standards, we now had a class mostly full of unacceptable skill sets.

Guess what the administration had to offer that dilemma? NOTING! I had numbers of students who failed my classes given passing grades by middle management (so the upper management wouldn't be liable).

As much as I despised having to teach some of these people against their will, the administration had far too many power-players enabling them to skirt by. Imagine my horror when animation students complained that I was requiring them to have competent skills in sketching (not even good drawing).

I'd be happy to share any of this in a deposition.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Former Student

AUTHOR: AnonStudent - (United States of America)

I went to Collins College, for both my AA & BA. I not only graduated early but with good grades.

I got a job in the industry 3 months into my degree, my Associates degree program. I saw so many people throughout my time at Collins that didn't care, didn't do homework, and expected everything to be handed to them like it was high school all over again.

These were the same people who complained about everything. "Unfair" teachers or "Mean" teachers. Grow up.

I have been working in the industry since 3 months into my AA program. I have never had anyone tell me "No Collins Students". In fact, (untill 6 months ago) our entire art dept. were ALL from Collins.

Those who are looking into filing a Class Action Lawsuit should stop and decide if they actually put the effort and time into the school. I put in my time and effort and I'm thankful for the time, education and experience I got.

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#25 General Comment

Class action lawsuit???

AUTHOR: cgibbons - (United States of America)

I also went to Collins college in the 90's. I was lied to by the admissions department. I could only complete one term due to the fact that there was a mandatory 3 hours of homework everyday and I had to work full time to pay my rent. I was told that there was housing for students. That was a joke. I am getting harassed weekly about the student loans.

I would like to join the class action lawsuit. Please contact me and let me know what's going on with it.

Thank you
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#26 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Lied to, Ripped off and In Debt

AUTHOR: Fionax - (United States of America)

I found this article when looking for information to include in a speech to my Public Speaking class (In an actual legit school now, thank god) about how much I hate this school. I want to join and I know several other alumni who would jump at the chance to join this lawsuit if it goes to court. Not only am I an alumni of a now defunct program (Animation) but I am also an ex-employee and dated a current instructor for many years (note: I dated him before he was an instructor).

Like most people I have the same complaints against the school. I was lied to about the success rate and the amount I would be paid after schooling, I am wallowing in debt and now that I am trying to go back to a real legit school, I am having a helluva time getting financial aid. I agree with everything being said above and want to simply add a few more stories:

1. They lie about being able to help special needs students. My current Boyfriend, also an alumni, has dyslexia and struggled a great deal with his classes. The school was informed of this and promised they could help him. They did not. Not only was he not given any sort of tutoring or note taking or extra time, as you would in a legit college, but they repeatedly tried to kick him permanently out of the school so they could get his money and not have to deal with him. He paid for several classes many times over simply because he wasn't given a chance to get the education he needed. The teachers had little interest in helping him and the school didn't have any programs set up. My friends and I, who were ahead of him, were the only help he got and we were in the same boat because of the sh*ty education.

2. The teachers are often unqualified. My ex, who shall not be named because I am not a b*ch, was an adjunct teacher who went almost directly from being a graduate to being a teacher. I am talking within a year. He had no formal education on teaching and yet they had him teaching up to three classes a semester. Not only that, but they often had him teach classes he had never taken himself! I remember many nights he would stay up into the wee hours of the morning learning how to do the thing he would be teaching the next day. It was no more then glorified tutoring. Not only that but they f*k the teachers over financially as well. He was getting paid 2000 a month for a 5 week semester, which was awesome when he was teaching 3 classes per semester, but when they expanded the classes to 10 weeks, they did not increase the pay. So his pay was cut in half. And then he was told he couldn't have as many classes and could only do one a semester... so he went from making 6,000 a month to 1000... and that is how much I make at a crappy retail job. Yet did they lower tuition? F*k no.

3. If you go, you will have a hell of a time going somewhere else. I recently decided to attend a community college to hopefully get a non worthless degree and when I started I was informed, to my surprise, that Collins credits only work at other CEC schools. They told me they were accredited at most schools, but failed to tell me that it was only other trade schools. I had to start over with everything because of this and will have to pay much more now. AND I have a hard time getting loans because I already have a degree and as such, I can only be a 'maximum time frame student' where they will only pay for the classes they deem necessary. If there is an extra class I would like to take, even if it is for my degree, I have to pay out of pocket. So I am a 'freshman' whose previous experience means nothing... BUT I am treated like a Bachelor student for financial aid... all because of Collins and their lies. 

4.. The housing can kill you. I don't even mean that they put you in very bad areas... it could literally kill you! My first year in AZ, and at Collins, RnR put me in Hayden Place (I think that was the name... its been a while). It was a sh*ty apartment in a sh*ty area. There were already girls living there and damage had already been done to the apartment from previous tenants (More on that in a second). A month or so goes by and things are fine, but around October we start to have issues with our airconditioning dripping all over everything. They sent someone who did a sh*t repair job and gave us 50 dollars off our rent. It begin to leak again shortly after and then completely died. About the same time, the disposal started to back up and filled our sink with garbage sewage. They sent another inept repairman out who pulled out a small clog and basically told us "It's your fault" and didn't offer anything in return. No big, so we thought.

Thanksgiving comes around and I am the only one in the apartment. I am sitting with my BF at the time, just chilling, and we hear the telltale sign of the sink backing up. I ignored it at first because I knew it always stopped at the edge and would slowly filter out. Then I heard water hitting the floor. We went in to find sewage water spilling out of the sink and onto the floor and carpet. We tried to pour it into a trashcan and filled the trashcan (13 gall) and still had a 2-3 foot radius of water soaked into the carpet. Since it was a holiday it took 2 days to get a repairman out there, this time he found out that the issue was much deeper in the system (And not our fault). There was a huge clog that was causing 5 apartments worth of garbage disposal sewage to come out of our sink. That is rotten food and raw chicken grease soaked into our carpets. The air conditioner was also fully broken at this time.

This isn't even the worst part. We complained to the housing immediately and it took 2 weeks before someone came to clean the carpet or fix the AC. Since I didn't have a car, I lived in a sewage soaked apartment with no AC in Arizona for weeks. What did they give us in return? Either 1 month free of rent or we could break our lease for free, but not both. Oh and I couldn't have my security deposit back because of the damage caused by tenants before me. I moved out, needless to say, and never returned.

However, here is the kicker, my other roommate moved to a nicer apartment complex through RnR and spent the money for her own room. A few months down the road and she started to consider leaving to live with her BF. RnR got wind of this and since they had some prospective, and presumably rich, student whose parents were willing to pay for her to have her own room, they jumped on her and offered to give her back that months rent, let her break her lease for free and give her the deposit back IF she moved out that week so they could move this other girl in. It is all about the money with those bastards and you can bet if I had gotten poisoned by the raw chicken/turkey grease, they would have tried to shove it under the rug.



Whew that was nice to get off the old chest. Also, if we want something done, we should also all go bombard the better business bureau. They have Collins listed as an A+ school because only 6 complaints have been filed. That is insane. Collins should have an F... no, is there a grade worse then that? Because if there is one, they deserve it.

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#27 Consumer Suggestion

I want in on the lawsuit

AUTHOR: Roxann2003 - (United States of America)

How do I join? It has been 6 years since I've gone to that school and it is still haunting me in the form of student loans. Sallie Mae is charging me 17% interest on a loan that was originally 10,000. It is sitting at 70,000 the last time I looked. I have contacted Sallie Mae they have not returned my calls, and recently sued me. I had applied for two loans, while I was going to school there, but after deferment, they tell me I have 10 seperate loans for this company.

I dropped out after seeing the ad"no collins college" This school has ruined my life, I cannot go back to school without finincial aid.
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#28 Consumer Suggestion


AUTHOR: boldlygowr - (United States of America)

I too as so many others was told lie to get me in only to find myself drowning in dept with no way out because the education they ware selling only looked good on papers they printed! My photo class was taught by a high school gym teacher, my audio program never worked with the computers they gave us that "were the most current standard in the field" I had to take mine in to apple withing 6 monthes to replace the hard drive only to find out that they had it sitting on a shelf at the school for a full year before selling it to me! so no warranty! lucky for me I bought an extended warranty from apple. that is just the tip of the ice burg. I could go on all night but I would love to be in on any lawsuit against those pirates! I think there would be a lot except they make sure the victims are so in dept they will never be able to afford a lawyer! I have just one question, How can they tell you it will cost $20,000 for an AA and a quarter of the way though demand another $20,000 and another $20,000? over $60,000 in dept before interest, no degree working at pizza hut. Please can anyone tell me a lawer that would even talk to me?
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#29 Consumer Comment

regret even going to this school

AUTHOR: gt_style1 - (United States of America)

back in 2007 i was suckered into going to the school in my high school art class they did a presentation, right out of high school i started attending got the loans for the first quarter of the school and stopped going when they asked for an additional 12,000 dollar loan to continue my classes which at that point i felt i had not gotten the first 15,000 dollars worth of schooling. The Teachers where a joke, and the "advanced  classes" were more like basic lessons i could of gotten of youtube, i get filled with hate towards that school every time i have to pay them for wasting my time there, count me in on your suit.  I dont want them going to our high schools if they still do, to sucker students into their great programs and end up stealing their money
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#30 Consumer Comment

Same here!

AUTHOR: just a voice - (United States of America)

Please count me in the lawsuit! 

I graduated in 2009 and I have gotten nowhere!  I'm STILL working crappy jobs at $9 an hour, ugh!
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#31 Consumer Comment

I want to join the class action lawsuit

AUTHOR: scott - (United States of America)

I attended Al Collins back in the early 90's. I quit because of student aides were grading final projects. I also think my name was forged on loan documents. I sent the Department of Educationii a letter to complain but never received a response. Please contact me!
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#32 Consumer Comment

Joining Lawsuit

AUTHOR: Tchinn - (United States of America)

I would like to join the lawsuit if it's still an option.  I graduated from Collins in 2009 and was constantly lied to about price, class schedule, student loans.  It's been a nightmare since I graduated.  Let me know if the lawsuit is still happening.
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#33 General Comment

Curious if anything is being done...

AUTHOR: johndoedesigner - (United States of America)

I am and former student with 4.0 GPA and have seen the "no collins" job ads. I have my own grievances. I would like to be contacted by the law firm handling the case! Thank You.
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#34 General Comment

collins college ruined my life!

AUTHOR: ld1313 - (United States of America)

I was 23 when I tried to attend that college, and am STILL paying for it!!!  I knew nothing about getting student loans, but I did have some questions regarding them.  When I was discussing it with the student counselor, I made sure that I asked this specific question.  "How much per month would I have to pay on these loans?" She told me at the least $50 per month, but she failed to tell me that there would be 5 DIFFERENT LOANS to pay on, so that makes, at the least $250 per month, and that would ONLY pay the interest!!!  I was unable to finish due to my eyes giving me trouble w/depth perception & mild color blindness that I was not aware of until after I was attending & had to specify things on a computer screen.  Not to mention that unless you are a computer person, I know I didn't understand & could not keep up w/the computer classes, but I managed to have a 3.8 GPA.  Now, my wages are being garnished for just 1 loan at $100 a month, which only pays PART of the interest on this loan!  If the woman in the student financing department would have specifically told me that there may be more than 1 loan, I would have NEVER done it...I was young & didn't know any better, and they KNEW that...them & the financing if you want to contact me pls do so...I'm wondering if I can sue them for this?  If you have any info it wld be helpful.  I am a single mom w/no asking a lawyer is out of the question for
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#35 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I have some info, old as it might be

AUTHOR: Cruz cntrl - (U.S.A.)

I used to be an instructor there in 1999-2001. I know of a number of cases that involves students that had failed my classes being given passing grades by administration. I'd be happy to share if the time line does not make the information too old for deposition.
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#36 General Comment

I was lied to by CEC as well.

AUTHOR: nicole - (United States of America)


I am also a former student of a CEC school and I am very interested in any information regarding a class action lawsuit against them.  I was mislead and lied to about many things including graduation rates, job placement, accreditation and credit transfer, and much more.  I have lots of paperwork, and would love to help. Please contact me ASAP, and keep me informed of any new information.

Thank you sincerely
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#37 Author of original report

Update on Lawsuit

AUTHOR: Ds - (U.S.A.)

I have been in contact with an Attorney who is handling a class action against CEC Corporation who owns Collins College as well as many other colleges in the US. He is out of CA. He advised me he cannot take the case until he was through with the one he was representing. This was shortly after my post here in 2008. I will be contacting him again to see if he is willing. Please stay tuned and I will update after speaking with him.

We will need as many people as we can get with as much documentation as we can get. If anyone has a copy of the infamous newspaper ad for a designer in Phoenix ( years ago) stating "No Collins College Graduates Need Apply" That would be especially helpful. Old catalogs with career statistic, placement statics and the such would be helpful as well.

I will keep you all posted.
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#38 General Comment

Like to join...

AUTHOR: BigGuyDesigns - (United States of America)

I actually just filed a report also explaining my story should be able to find under "forged student loans"
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#39 REBUTTAL Owner of company

I went there and fought them..They admitted to me all about this.and payed me in hard drives and RAM to keep quiet!

AUTHOR: Alan - (United States of America)

I also attended Collins College and am a recent graduate in Game Design. I had a similar experience regarding the school. From the beginning, I was very disappointed by the school since they gave me classes that weren't geared towards my degree. When other students and I confronted the school with our disappointment regarding our education we were asked what we wanted, and we responded with a statement to have our money returned to us. Instead, the school forced all of us to sign a statement that we would receive free hard drives for our silence. We were coerced into accepting equipment for our education. I was the leading voice in our protest against the school and have given four written statements to two faculty members by the name of Dev Jana and Gary Salazar. I have had numerous meetings with faculty members and the school president to rectify the situation, including conference calls with my parents and other parents with the school's president. During all these meetings, the school hired Dr. Tim Dosemagen, Vice President of Education for Collins College to handle all the student feedback reports and all the monetary problems associated with the school. Later, this person was fired after supposedly "failing" to solve the problems. I had most of the documents and equipment used to prove that the school bought our silence.

I am still in contact with most of the recent graduating class who are willing to contact you about the school and their experiences. I would like to get contact information from you so that we can correspond about what the next step should be and to help build the case.
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#40 General Comment

they need their license revoked

AUTHOR: 7h - (United States of America)

I have a very similar story. This school needs to have their license revoked to prevent any more people's lives being ruined. This school is a complete ripoff. The only thing that they do in any of their classes is give you a book and sit you in front of the computer and tell you to go through each lesson step by step. I cannot believe they charge about the same as a accredited university. I had to drop out about half way through the animation program because I knew I was being ripped off. My conscience would not allow me to continue to support this sham of a school. It was hard to leave after moving to Arizona just for this school. I now have student loans to pay off with nothing to show for it. It is a crime that federal student aid will give people loans to go to this school.
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#41 Consumer Comment

I will join

AUTHOR: david - (United States of America)

you can contact me at (((ROR redacted))). Was promised so many things, from housing to transportation. All lies to get money, they know you can not stop federal loans no matter what they get there money.


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#42 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Previous student/staff interested in joining suit.

AUTHOR: ftn807 - (United States of America)

I am a previous student AND employee of Collins College (Al Collins when I went there). I would like to be a part of the suit. I used to work for the housing department and non-paid intern. I had to call parents and convince them to send their kids to the school. We had a script we read to students/parents! Rusty Walker was a teacher when I was there and had become the Director of the school later. Apartment complexes that couldn't fill vacancies would contact us for students to fill their empty apartments. This was typically due to dangerous areas, far from the school, far from mass transit, ect. The students were shafted. If we got complaints, reports, ect. they were not filed. I had to leave because I was made to do this or it was done for me if I tried to follow through. I have been out for 12 years and still have several thousand in student loans to pay off. They are all about money, not education. The Phoenix metro area has a large population but large majority of the school is from out of state because locals know to avoid this school!!! Be warned!!!
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#43 Consumer Comment

replying to your article...i want in on the class action suit as well!!!! please tell me how!!!!!

AUTHOR: Mother of Two-2009 - (USA)

does this class action suit include other schools owned by CEC corporation with different names such as Sanford Brown college??? please let me know if i am eligible to join...i want in on this!!!! we ALL deserve justice for how all these schools are committing absolute fraud against sooo many students such as myself out there across the entire united states!!!!!! What they are doing is against the law and is a crime!!!!! and i don't feel i should have to pay money back in student loans for a fake degree, non-transferrable credits that are worthless, and every other lie that they told me about their school...and to say it nicely...EVERYTHING THEY TOLD ME AND GUARANTEED ME AND PROMISED ME WAS A FLAT OUT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please reply back to me and give me more information on what i need to do or how i need to go about joining a class action lawsuit against them. please help!!!! I will GREATLY appreciate any infromation you can send my way. Thank you so much!!!!!! I hope to hear back from you very soon!!!!
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#44 Consumer Comment

Count me in

AUTHOR: KL - (United States of America)

PLease contact me as well. I had to stop attending due to health reasons. When I went to go back to complete the bachelors program at Collins I was told that only 4 of my credits would apply. I had less than 6 months left to go and a 4.0 GPA when stopping. It wasnt even as iff I was trying to get my credits transferred to a different school. It is the same one. If they wont honor their own credits who will. sounds like fraud and racketeering to me.
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#45 Consumer Comment

Please Contact me!

AUTHOR: D - (United States of America)

I am getting close to graduating this summer, and have also had a horrible experience so far from Collins College. I have been trying to research online to see if there is anything that we can do against them because this school should not get away with taking advantage of students. I have gone to the president about all the issues I have had, and him and everyone else, basically did nothing. In the end, I will be stuck with no "real education" and a ton of student loans. I am no where near being ready to find a job, and will probably have to pay for more school somewhere else to even stand a chance.
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#46 General Comment

How can I join the suit?

AUTHOR: bob86 - (United States of America)

Their high priced degree has got me absolutely nowhere and I've had enough! My credits won't even transfer to a Community College or University to further my education. I'm thoroughly embarrassed to admit I went to such a terrible school and am desperately trying to get back on track at a real college. They can have their crappy degree back I don't want it. I want my money back.
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#47 REBUTTAL Individual responds

need to join

AUTHOR: static - (USA)

how do i join the suit?
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