• Report: #1170284
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Amanda stoffel-brown

  • Submitted: Sun, August 17, 2014
  • Updated: Sun, August 17, 2014

  • Reported By: Mmotyl — San diego California
Amanda stoffel-brown
6200 San Miguel road Bonita , California USA

Amanda stoffel-brown Dba dia Tia preformance horses aka dia Tia horses aka old dove ranch Amanda stoffel brown aka dia Tia preformance horses manager of old dove ranch runs a very illegal business buying and selling horses that do not belong to her. Bonita California

*Consumer Comment: And how did it turn out?

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: The Facts of the matter.

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In december  of 2011 I purchased a horse from Amanda brown stoffel dba dia Tia preformance horses. Horse was 300 lbs under weight and was in lots of pain. Two years later after thousand dollars worth of vet bills to rehab the horse to a healthy weight and pain free life, this woman attempted to sell my horse claiming I was "feed leasing" the horse from her. Horse was being stabled at a ranch (old dove ranch) where she resided In one of the shacks on the property. Sheriffs department were involved and horse was picked up at mount Miguel equestrian center in Bonita California. This horse was apart of our family and was used as therapy for kids, learning how to ride.  

she then filed a falsified restraining order to steal the horse AGAIN from me in the middle of the night to resale the horse for a low dirt cheap price of $1500

I took Amanda To court to prove I was the owner and won. We are still pending the return of my horse back to me. 

this is a warning to all out there to never to business with this scam artist. She is a thief and a very sneaky untrustworthy person. 

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/17/2014 12:25 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/amanda-stoffel-brown/bonita-california-91902/amanda-stoffel-brown-dba-dia-tia-preformance-horses-aka-dia-tia-horses-aka-old-dove-ranch-1170284. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

And how did it turn out?

AUTHOR: Melie ME - (USA)

 So I ran across this work of fiction that this supposed professional trainer wrote..... I know Amanda and have known her for a while. I know for a fact that MM training never paid for the horse and had been given almost two years to pay for him but never paid one cent for him. Its pretty ridiculous that someone would think being a nasty rude bully would get them their way because that what MM tried to do but guess what the horse another 2 years later is right where his owner Amanda has had him since she repossessed him. So clearly that was a big fat lie that there was anything from the courts saying that the horse belongs to MM training. Plus let not forget who went to mount miguel cut locks on the gates to get on to the property and to get the horse off it..... Certainly wasn't Amanda.... Its really sad that a grown supposed business owner feels it is ok to lie and make ridiculous accusations and claims when they know they are wrong.... Bottomline MM training didn't get awarded the horse in court and the horse is still with the person Amanda GAVE the horse away to. Oh yes thats right she didn't sell him for any money to them. There was plenty of notice to MM that she had to pay for the horse or Amanda was going to take him back. Get a clue as to who the scam artist is.

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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

The Facts of the matter.

AUTHOR: bonitacorral - ()

Please read the below links to others opinions of MICHELLE MOTYL & MM TRAINING



First and foremost MICHELLE MOTYL OF MM TRAINING whom authored this completely false report has her facts completely in correct.

1. The horse was taken on an initial 30 day pre purchase trial lease in February 2012.

2. After the 30 days were done Michelle Motyl was unable to afford to pay the purchase price of $2500 to the owner and requested an additional 6 months to be able to get the funds to pay the owner and continue to use the horse as a lesson horse in her "training program".

3. After the additional 6 month Motyl still did not have the funds to pay the owner and requested to continue to lease the horse. Owner agreed to allowing the horse to be kept on a feed lease.

4. In September 2013 Michelle Motyl moved her training operation to the ranch run by Amanda.

5. Amanda having now a daily visual of the amount of times in a single day MM was using the horse for lessons (up to 5 lessons in a single day) and how much and high the horse was being jumped inspite of the known medical issues of the horse which MICHELLE MOTYL was fully aware of. 

6. In writing between October 2013 and February 2014 as well as in person and via text and email the owner of the horse repeatedly attempted to amend the issues and her disdain for the manner in which MICHELLE MOTYL was using her horse in a civil matter however MICHELLE MOTYL refused to respond in a mature and reasonable manner and repeatedly made false accusations against the boarding facility to local animal control agencie in an effort to force the owner to abandon her efforts to alter the manner the horse was used.

7. In the final demand from the owner to Michelle Motyl she was given the ultimatum to either purchase the horse or the owner would end her lease and exercise her right to sell the horse to another party. 

8. On February 18th MM was notified that the lease was terminated and the horse was removed from her care and custody. 

9. Michelle on February 19th 2014 illegally trespassed on to MOUNT MIGUEL EQUESTRIAN CENTER where the jorse was now located cut with bolt cutters several locks and with NO legal right or authorization removed the horse from the ranch and returned him to OLD DOVE RANCH which was also the home of the horse's owner.

10. February 25th due to severe harassment and repeated unfounded unsubstantiated claims by MICHELLE MOTYL the owner of the horse filed a TRO AGAINST MM.

11. March 1 2014 michelle motyl was served with this restraining order and told to leave the boarding facility by this court order

12. On March 3rd 5th 7th and 9th Michelle Motyl as well as her friends clients and associates under her direction proceeded to terrorize the horse's owner who after his return to the Old Dove Ranch retained possession of him.

13. April 2014 MICHELLE MOTYL filed a small claims lawsuit against the owner of the horse for the value of the horse 

14. Continually during the time period of February 19th 2014 to the present MICHELLE MOTYL has repeatedly continued to harass make false accusations slander and make malicious and defamatory statements against the owner of the horse. 

15. July 30 2014 is the court hearing where MICHELLE MOTYL attempted to use fake jockey club papers and a fake scribbled bill of sale as her proof of ownership of the horse.  Michelle was NOT AWARDED THE HORSE.  There is NO COURT ORDER that proclaims MICHELLE MOTYL as the owner of the horse.  She has was NOT granted the ownership of the horse. 

16. The horse was NOT sold ffor $1500.00 he was sold at a lower price due to the need for several months of rest for his legs to heal and several veterinary proceedures to restore him to full health from the extended and extremely taxing and out right ABUSIVE use Michelle Motyl and damage done by her over use of this poor animal. 

At the time Michelle took the horse on trial he had been used for light riding only a few days a week and was not in show shape however he was at an excellent weight in great condition and was not in any way unhealthy.  

I would also like to state a few additional facts regarding MICHELLE MOTYL AS FOLLOWS:

1. Between the time period of December 2011 and March 2014 Michelle was asked to leave 3 facilities in the Bonita Area of San Diego due to her VERY unsavory and quite frankly rude and outright ridiculous business and personal conduct and due to her harassing other clients. 

2. She has a very poor reputation for her conduct at shows and in the horse world as well as is known for using horse without the owners permission as lesson horses these are horses on consignment with her that magically she does not hardly advertise and never seem to sell.

3. She is a thief! While at OLD DOVE RANCH on at least 6 occasions numerous boarders found their personal possessions in the possession of MICHELLE MOTYL as well as she literally STOLE this horse from MOUNT MIGUEL EQUESTRIAN CENTER. 

4. Look her up via Google chronicle of the horse here on rip off report and ASK real horse professionals what they think of this supposed professional. 

5. She is a rude lying manipulating deplorably mannered person both in her personal life and especially in her professional life. 

6. She makes outrageous and completely FALSE allegations and reports to animal control the sheriff department and the humane society against innocent people. mo

7. She is NOT a reputable trainer. She is not as skilled as she professes to be and uses extreme force and cruel behavior to make animals conform to her will. I personally witnessed her beat a horse into a trailer that it was clearly not comfortable getting into in clear view of dozens of witnesses.  

8. She does not show on the A circuit as she claims. She is not even a member of the USEF. She barely shows on the local show circuit with one possibly 2 students at a time.  

9. As any horse owner knows vet bills are not cheap and since she was FEED LEASING the horse Michelle Motyl was fully responsible for any and all veterinary care hoof care medication and other needs of the horse. Which she neglected to keep him on his required dietary supplement and specific dietary needs as well. She is NO WAY cared for this in the manner his health required for him to remain healthy and sound especially with the excessive use and wear and tear he endured from the over use he endured.

All in all if you look into this deplorable excuse for a horse trainer you will see who she really is especially by her own hand on several blogs where she has shown her true colors and true manner of conducting herself. 

So clearly this posting is not exactly the truth... although considering how delusional MICHELLE MOTYL is it does not shock me she views this situation very differently from reality..... I sympathize with her inability to accept the truth. Hopefully she will be able to come to terms with the reality of how her behavior and inability to properly handle situations really needs to be corrected. 

 Also the HOUSE on the property is not a shack and she had absolutely had no problems with the property when she was without proper and required insurance operating her "business" at the property

Her contact information since she has published my personal email address and phone number with out permission is as follows. 


(((redacted))) San Diego ca (home address)  

2454 Monument road san diego ca (ccurrent location of operation) 


 chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?341134-Michelle-Motyl.   (Posting regarding MICHELLE MOTYL with her actual commentary and postings)

 There are many more items if you wish to read more feel free to google her. 





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