• Report: #1099208
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AMC Industries LLC. Tampa,Florida

  • Submitted: Thu, November 14, 2013
  • Updated: Thu, November 14, 2013

  • Reported By: ML001 — Pompano Beach Florida
AMC Industries LLC. Tampa,Florida
Palmetto, Florida USA

AMC Industries LLC. Tampa,Florida AMC Industries Acquisiions LLC Restaurant Booths Ray Fluitsma Raymond Fluitsma restaurantboot AMC Industries LLC. Does Not Pay His Web Developer, and is known and reported for ripping off people Palmetto Florida

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: AMC Side of this storeHere is the AMC side of the this story: A recap of the information below is: 0. AMC paid 50% of the contract price to end up with nothing: the paid-for development has been de

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Don't Do business with AMC Industries Acquisition LLC. I was hired through Elance.com to make a basic duplicate of a website he wanted. At first he said he would do the business through Elance, then Ray Fluitsma toldme oh , I been trying to find someone to develop this website for us for 6 months. (I see why).He said look I will only accept this agreement outside of Elance, I told him the only way I will work outside of Elance is by you signing a contract. he told me ok send me the contract, he sent it back for me to change some stipulations,

i agreed, to those changes, I sent it back to him, he then tells me that he needs me to start on the website now, i said no not until i get the contract back signed and the initial deposit funded. he sent me by email the contract and said there you go i signed it, i open the document and there is no signature, I told him there is no signature there, He then messages me that he will not sign a contrct now, and that he has ordered someone to pay the deposit I require in order to start the project,. [continued below]....


he tries to tell me that don;t worry the payment will be there, i said ok great , when it is there in my account I will start , he says no i need you to start today, i told him no i will not until i receive payment, i didn;t emphasize the contract because i had another client that wanted to contract me for work, but i told him i was on a propject now, and I can start that one in 3 weeks or so, However the other client then told me he could not wait that long, and lost that contract for this one in the meantime of the negotiations.

All the while I waited over a week for the initial deposit after he had said he deposit it or ordered someone to pay to my account, he kept asking me to start the project and I did not agree to that.n I waited till the deposit was in my account and secured finally, I thought after he finally paid the deposit that he was going to be honest at this point , I was wrong again. When I got the end of the project after only 2 weeks, he started to make excuses that I didn;t do this or that for his project, and certain things did not work, and he started demanding more features then agreed upon from the start, he kept telling me if not I will not pay you,

Well, I knew that was a hint that he was not going to pay no matter what i did or didn;t do. I went above and beyond his ex-pectations and what he wanted out this project, and after overcoming all his excuses for the site and demanding my final payment several time. he said it is not cross browser compatable, and no sale , I will not pay, Well i had bought the theme from a major reuptable website that I changed some things on it, and it is cross browser compatable and sent him the proff that it was,

thats when he started to be quiet, locked me out of the hosting account, and told me that he will not pay us. So we took half of the website off and said you only paid half, You will only get half a website, he then proceeded to tell that he sent the money again, that he ordered someone to pay me, I told him great, when I receive it , I will be glad to give you the other half, he then proceeded to call the hosting company to restore the site, and they even tries to block my IP from the website, once it was restored by them, Still I am waiting for payment as of today, for the work we have done.

I would like to add that this company has a record of ripping off people there is a website from someone that got ripped off over 30,000 dollars of restaurant furniture that was never delivered, That website can be seen at restaurantboothsfraud.com which is run by the same individual Ray Fluitsma and his Amc Industries.

There is also another BBB report that states the same tyoe of ripoff with excuses. I also found that AMC Industries Acquisitions LLC. and Ray Fluitsma is being sued for Unfair Labor Practices, for a under age employee, the case can be found on the web, by doing a google search.

I am not even sure that the building he claims to have his manufacturing company is even rented by him. he had me try to put his logo on a picture that i found on a rental ad for that building. he says he just moved there and that he hasn;t had time to put a banner on the building, After 6months of renting it, I find that to be odd, and probably they do not exist there.

I also found out now after calling several clients that he sent me pictures of products, is that there was a previous owner and management that had those contracts and did that work and they sold RAYMOND Fluitsma the business several years ago, and since then he has ran it to the ground and ripped off other people, using the reputation the formr owners built.

These people are bad really bad, nd i am sure they will not  stop at anything to rip off anyone. I have full proof of everything I claim, I have documented and copied images of everything i have said and posted here,  If any wants to see it, i will be glad to provide all the proof, Again do not do business with these people, do not  develop  any thing for these people they will not pay you in the end. These people are bad bad news, and will never deliver on anything

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Here is the AMC side of the this story: 

A recap of the information below is:

0. AMC paid 50% of the contract price to end up with nothing: the paid-for development has been deleted. The  balance of the contract was not paid because Manny could not, or would not construct the web page as requested: multiple different links to various social networking sites that we didn't want and don't use; wrong pictures; typos; not compatible with cell and different browsers. I am also surprised that a "web developer" has to purchase a template to make a simple web page. Had Manny produced the webpage that he advertised he could construct, would've been happy to pay the balance. But, apparently, when his work is found unacceptable, he resorts to extortion, blackmail, flaming, disparagement, and libel, rather than fix the quality of his work and make the webpage the customer has requested.

1. Manny is the one who requested to work outside Elance because he didn't want to have to pay Elance their fee/commission on the income he would make from this project.

2. AMC requested an invoice from Manny for our records and accounting and Manny produced one. Generally, we only pay from invoice, but made an exception in this case.

3.  The project completion date was 10/31/13. Due to the numerous errors and problems on the webpage from Manny, this was not met. See below:

On Monday, 28 October, 2013 2:32 PM m l ,xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
2 days max


On Monday, October 28, 2013 11:33 AM, AMC xxxxxxx wrote:
I'll forward the domains when the site at amcind.NET is up and running. When will that be do you think?
On Tuesday, 29 October, 2013 06:42 AM, AMC xxxxxxx wrote:
Manny, here the website is not working. The pictures are distorted, there are a bunch of typos again in the texts and the pictures are black and white until you scroll over it. It doesnt work on my iphone, nor mac tablet or android. 

The web page should fit on a screen as per the scope I gave you, without the need to scroll down to see the rest. If you resize the window and that makes is necessary to scroll down, the top menu bar stays visible.

Bennigan's is still on the website and it should not be.

I am not sure what you are doing but every time I look at it, the website gets worse. I need this by tomorrow, Manny.
On Tuesday, 29 October, 2013 3:12 PM, m l xxxxxxx wrote:
what doi you mean scroll down, there is no other way on bobile phones to have it mobile friendly.?
This is cross platform, and mobile device ready. I am finishing this today, as you see i am working on your slideshow, everything else works, i tested it on IE and it is fine
On Tuesday, 29 October, 2013 3:48 PM, AMC xxxxxxx wrote:

I need this done by Wednesday.
Cross platform needs to also work including pinch and zoom and so on.
I also do not want the page to scroll down.
What I stated in the Elance brief is still valid.

What do I need to do to get this done?


4. He demands the rest money before the website is finished. See below:
5. He doesn't have the money to pay his internet bill, so he's looking to get paid before the completion of the job. See below:
From: m l
Reply-To: m l
Re: website errors
November 8, 2013
the problem is my internet will be cutoff in a few hours, at least can u deposit 50 dolalrs of what i am owed to pay this tomorrow morning

 6. He did not make the site compatible to different platforms. See below:

From: m l
Reply-To: m l
Re: website errors
Nove,ber 8, 2013
thats going to take time

On Friday, November 8, 2013 6:50 PM, AMC wrote:
errors still have not 
been fixed.
AMC Industries, LLC

12291 US 41 N
Palmetto, FL 34221

On 11/8/13, 8:22 AM, m l wrote:
this is from the slide show , pictures

On Friday, November 8, 2013 2:56 PM, AMC wrote:

valodidator.w3.org gives 29 errors for amcind.net and 1 warning.

check out and please fix.

AMC Industries, LLC

12291 US 41 N
Palmetto, FL 34221

 6. He starts threatening AMC. See below: 
On 11/12/13, 6:31 PM, m l wrote:
yeah you pissed off a russian, never piss off russians, that why i treat him like gold , when the payment is there, you need to give me the new logins to the accoiunt, site will be restored. we can more than what we did. we can make your life hell.  

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:28 AM, AMC wrote:
Today I authorized your second half payment of our contract. 

Meanwhile do you know why only the home page works and nothing else?


Sent from mobile device

 7. He then puts pages on the AMC site saying " We Crooks We Dont Pay". After he pulls this stunt, we take steps to limit his access, yet he still hacked in repeatedly. We have had to delete the entire page. See below:

On 11/13/13, 10:29 AM, m l wrote:
check out the website and decide if you want to pay

8. Thats when AMC filed suit against him for slander and extortion.

 9. Manny claims that AMC employs underaged workers. That is an outright lie. 


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