• Report: #606502
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American Amicable Life Insurance

  • Submitted: Sun, May 23, 2010
  • Updated: Mon, May 05, 2014

  • Reported By: phntmsldr — America Nationwide United States of America
American Amicable Life Insurance
Waco, Texas United States of America

American Amicable Life Insurance scamming American military Waco, Texas

*General Comment: Father in law ripped off

*Consumer Comment: Rebuttal to Understanding Insurance

*Consumer Suggestion: Understanding Insurance

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I had been approached by a 'retired' military man wanting to be a financial advisor, he had gotten on base to approach service members at a local eatery. I was interested in setting up savings for retirement so I talked about investments and funds. He pushed this American Amicable 'investment', failing to mention that at the time, they were just getting sued for their 'Horizon Life' plan and that my advisor was getting commissions off of these policies he was aggressively pushing. I walked away thinking I had made a good choice in my life.

It took me awhile to finally understand what I got myself into. I had bought a really bad life insurance policy at an outrageous rate with a worthless premium. Few other things to this policy, the first 3 years costs $18,000, and if you cancel in this time (which is what American Amicable wants you to do) you only get back less then half of what you put in. If you try to hold out for the $6000 a year, in 20 years,  you may break even in the amount you pay. Of course youre paying taxes on the interest from the fund rider so that takes away value.

I had a lawyer look over this policy. He called it despicable, but American Amicable had learned their lesson from the class action lawsuit of their Horizon Life policy and had tightened up their legal loopholes. When I called the company, asking what exact was going on with this, they quickly pointed out I could not be part of the lawsuit because the name of my policy is different, and was given a very cold, ungrateful reception after that.

Im surprised that an organization like this is stationed in Texas, a state I thought really was about American military. Now they have a weasel living comfortable right under their noses, aggressively looking for young GIs to steal from them their hard earned money. Insult to injury, American Amicable was bought out April 2010 by a Canadian based company,Industrial Alliance Insurance and Financial Services Inc. So not only am I paying a scammer to take all of my money, all that money is leaving the States to support a foreign business. 

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#1 General Comment

Father in law ripped off

AUTHOR: Acadia1 - (USA)

My father in law retired after 20 years in the Marines many many years ago. He passed away this summer. Three months later we get a notice in the mail from this company that they are terminating his life insurance policy due to non payment. We knew nothing of this and never saw a policy. The amount was apparently taken out of his retirement pension fund monthly at the current rate of $31.50. When we informed them of his passing, we were sent a check for.....get this...$6000. I don't know how many years he paid into this scam, but someone should be ashamed.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Rebuttal to Understanding Insurance

AUTHOR: GINinja11 - (USA)

Dear John,

First and foremost, you are full of s*.  The $400,000 SGLI for $27.00 is an awesome deal and there’s nothing stopping the service members from obtaining additional insurance from other companies for a lot less than American-Amicable 6,000 per year bulls*.  Of course you are against this service members’ Ripoff report.  It impacts your bottom line of scamming young troops with insane fees.  I do agree occasionally a million dollar life insurance is needed, but not all the time.  Service members should always seek guidance from a military command financial specialist, usually an E6 and above for advice free of charge regarding how much life insurance is needed or use the many online tools offered. 

You have no clue what your precious American-Amicable offered this troop.  You stated your current annuity earns you “1.7% per month”, but last year it earned you “6%”.  Excuses me why I do the math, but 1.7x12 is 20.4, which is 14.4% more than 6%.

.5% for an Individual Retirement Account (IRA)?  Where do you get this information? Oh I know, from thin f*cking air.  This is just another example of your shabby math.  From January 1970 to December 2014, the average annual compound rate for IRAs was approximately 10.7%, includes reinvestment of dividends.    

Word of advice for service members, if you are seriously interested in taking steps to secure your future.  Then invest all your extra cash into the Thrift Saving Plan (TSP).  The managing fess is the lowest around. 

So yeah those darn evil insurance agents are right! Insurance agents will always charge you unnecessary fees for doing nothing.


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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Understanding Insurance

AUTHOR: John - ()

I can understand the problem of the person who posted this. I was in the US Navy from 1995-2009. I am now an independent Insurance Agent who uses American-Amicable. The reason I use there products is they have a BBB rating of A+

It sounds to me like the consumers. Be they Sailors, or Marines, don't understand insurance. Would they buy a new car (with payments) and not understand what they are getting? SGLI insurance that the military offers isn't very good for a young sailor with a family, like I was at one time. Should you die, could your family survive on $400,000 for life? Mine couldn't. Keep in mind, they need to live, pay a mortgage, schools, etc. At 40 my life policy is for $1,000,000 on top of annuities, and a pension. 

It sound to me like these Sailors/Marines were being offered annuities. My current annuity earns a minimum of 1.7% per month. Last year it earn 6% for the year. Keep in mind this is tax defered. In a saving or IRA you may earn 0.5% at best! Then with the savings you are taxed. Had I been put $20 a month out of my Navy money, that I blew! I would be way better off than I am now.

I think this person will look back when older, and wiser, and realize how foolish of a post this is. 

When I do the math at $20 a month he could have put $960 in durring his enlistment, and it would be taxed, or he could have kept the annuity and had $1572.22 at 6% tax deferred. What is better? 

Darn those evil insurance agents.

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