• Report: #728316
Complaint Review:

Angelo van Cleef AKA Devbizz.nl AKA Giovanni van Cleef

  • Submitted: Thu, May 12, 2011
  • Updated: Thu, May 12, 2011

  • Reported By: Joe L — United States of America
Angelo van Cleef AKA Devbizz.nl AKA Giovanni van Cleef
Londensekaai 1 4331JG MIDDELBURG Netherlands Internet United States of America

Angelo van Cleef AKA Devbizz.nl AKA Giovanni van Cleef Scammer, Stole Money, Fraud Internet

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Totally wrong

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I am reposting this again because he someone removed this from (((REDACTED))) but never resolved the issue. If this gets removed again,  I will continue to repost until this has been resolved.

His MSN: imperiatos@live.nl
His Other Email: burninghardware@live.nl
His Email: a.cleef@live.nl
His Company Email: info@devbizz.nl
Company Name: Burning Hardware
His Full Name: Angelo van Cleef
His Partner: Giovanni van Cleef
His EGS Username: Th3Warbringer
His website: Devbizz.nl

PlayOnline Account Name: BQBU5068
Square Enix Account Name: Warbringer

His Business Address:
PCextreme B.V.
Londensekaai 1

Other Possible Address (1):
Jacob Catsstraat 12
Oss, NO 5344VJ

Other Possible Address (2):
Dommelstraat 6a. [continued below]....
5347 JL Oss

Other Possible Address (3):
Country: Netherlands
Location: Oss, Noord-Brabant, NL
Possible Address: Jachtslot 22

Other Possible Address (4)
Dommelstraat 6A,

Phone Numbers
Possible Phone Number: 0412624511
Another Phone Number: 0412626829
Another Phone Number: 0031 412473257

1). Came to an agreement for a FFXI Account
2). Sent payment
3). Transferred all information including CD Keys which more or less make be fake.
4). Square Enix account has an one time password on it. I asked him to remove it. He kept making excuses and finally told me he to contact Square Enix myself.
5). Blocked me on EGS
6). Changed Square Enix Account Password

He then replies as if he didn't do anything. Meanwhile, he then turns around and sells the same item to another individual. 

After that, he curses me out and threatens to sue me which I will gladly accept service of any lawsuit you file. He is completely unprofessional, will scam you, and there are thousands of better companies to go with than him. Stay away unless you want to be a victim as well.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Totally wrong

AUTHOR: Angelo - (Netherlands)

Not going to spent much time on this bs, but I just found this post and it is damaging my company name.

You had an agreement with me, I sold you an account and gave you all the information and thus you were able to change the passwords and various other information.

You paid me by using the Paypal service.

You then contacted me that the account was taken away from you, which I didnt do. The money you send me through Paypal was frozen by Paypal because, I think, you contacted them.

After that I contacted Paypal by telephone. They asked me to give proof that I had the right to receive the money and that I did not scam you.

I showed them screenshots of our conversation, I showed them that I was unable to login (to the account I sold you, due to changed passwords). I showed them that I contacted customer service through live chat in which I asked them multiple questions, one of which "The last login to the account either in-game or website was that my IP address (Netherlands)") on which they clearly said "No, sir".

I know you aint stupid so 1 + 1 = 2 right? Paypal had enough proof after that and they unfroze the money and gave me access to it.

At that point you went apeshit and we got into an argument indeed. Words from both parties flew around, indeed. You are not the victom in this story, and if you really, really didnt have access to the account, we could have sorted it out togather but you started a flaming war and were accusing me of theft and other things so yeah... I was like F you if you talk to me like this. Sort it yourself, you had ALL information needed, you could have contacted customer service and ask them for a password reset. I gave you ALL data including my address and secret question answer and everything.

Thus it would have been easy for you to reset the password and log in again. You never did that, you just blamed me while (for all I know) Square Enix resetted the password because a "new IP address" logged into the account or something.

Anyways, totally wrongfully accused here, period.

Hope this post can be editer or deleted or something as it damages my company name. If you (the poster) reads this, if you still have the details I gave you back then (probably not but who knows)... contact customer service and let them reset the frigging password, after that post a "im sorry" message here and edit the message please.

Yours sincerely,


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