Report: #1057457


  • Submitted: Sat, June 08, 2013
  • Updated: Sat, June 08, 2013
  • Reported By: Freddor — Cincinnati Ohio
    PO Box 25559
    SANTA ANNA, California


*Author of original report: A typical sample

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 Autograph collecting can be a very rewarding hobby. In the mid 1980's, the U.A.C.C. (Universal Autograph Collectors Club) was very active in promoting autograph collecting and educating novice collectors. The U.A.C.C. had shows throughout the country. The U.A.C.C. had a wonderful magazine that was sent to all of their active members, and it was called THE PEN & QUILL.

Today, the U.A.C.C. is in financial trouble due to a low membership .  The PEN&QUILL has been cheapened greatly in an effort to cut costs. The main reason membership is down is due to a dimminished interest in AUTOGRAPHS as a hobby.

Despite the dimminished interest in Autograph Collecting,  there are many reliable sources for buying autographs.  I could name 125 autograph dealers that are honest and reliable. I hesitate to name them here because this is a complaint forum. I will get to my complaint, but I need to lay out some back ground information first.

There was a time when many books were widely available to collectors. Autograph collectors used to educate themselves. It does not take a rocket scientist to authenticate an autograph. Knowledeable collectors knew what to look for and what to avoid. The pitfalls to collecting autographs were always Printed Signatures, Autopen Signatures, and Secretariarial Signatures. Forgeries always, and still do, exist primarily in autographs in the higher price ranges. If you know what to look for, forgeries can easily be avoided. There are very few skilled forgers and to practice a signature is quite time consuming and the result is never perfect enough to fool a self educated collector.

In the mid to late 1990's , a dealer (will not name him) began to point fingers at various dealers.  Fraudulently pointed out authentic items in others dealer's inventory calling them FAKE, but they were not fake. Anonymous mail began to circulate to various U.A.C.C. members , defaming a well respected dealer from Texas. ( The UACC sent out an annual book of names and addresses of UACC members). After a while a considerable amount of anonymous mail was being received by UACC members, with most of it defaming and slandering various autograph dealers. Most were post marked from Massachusettes, Connecticut,New York, and New Hampshire.There was a cry out for a so-called third party authenticator. Third Party Authentication may indeed sound like a great idea, but can never work for the very same reason that TRUE COMMUNISM can never work, HUMAN NATURE. The Roman Empire Fell due to HUMAN NATURE. Greed takes over.

In the late 1990s PSA DNA emerged. PSA DNA is a Third Party Authentication Company. Did they have problems ? Yes, from the very begining. Check out "You Tube" , Check Out HAULS OF SHAME, Check out AUTOGRAPH NEWS LIVE (not to be confused with AUTOGRAPH MAGAZINE LIVE !) To this day people complain that basballs signed in front of them, in person, at baseball card shows are frequently rejected when sent in for authentication. Lazer copies of signatures have been encapsulated and sold as authentic by PSA, for example a number of green Ty Cobb signatures from a laser printer are currently on the market (be careful with PSA encapsulated items).

Autograph Magazine Live is a site that is managed by Steven Cyrkin. Recently Mr. Cyrkin was sued for libel for an article that he wrote and published on his site, the suit was dropped when the article was removed from the site. Autograph magazine strays from the truth, supports PSA DNA , and gives accolades to no less than five dealers from the New York,Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire area, while defaming ALL OTHER AUTOGRAPH DEALERS IN EXISTANCE TODAY ! The five dealers that are praised on a daily basis on Autograph Magazine Live, as well as Mr. Cyrkin all have a vested interest in PSA ! The information presented on Autograph Magazine Live is never positive, and always very dark and depressing to read. Some information on that site has shades of truth, but most of it is slanderous and defamatory toward honest and reliable dealers and auction houses.

Autograph collecting can be fun. If you see a PSA authenticated autograph then by all means do a little research on your own and do not accept a C.O.A at face value ever. I have see both fake and authentic items with C.O.As included. Enjoy collecting and avoid Autograph Magazine Live. The U.A.C.C. still has a small site and the U.A.C.C. has a list of about a hundred U.A.C.C. recomended dealers. I also know of quite a few honest autograph dealers, who no longer belong to any organizations at all.

Thank You for taking the time to read this. I have been very careful to only present facts and opinion on this site.

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#1 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Freddor - ()

Now what dignified autograph dealer would ever post a comment such as this ?

 "isn't this the ultimate case of the pot calling the kettle black.  You admitidly were in cahoots with the most libelous site ever "Autograph Alert" that attacked not only authenticators and Dealers but their families too!  Now we all have our ideas about a couple other sites you were probably in cahoots with too that are and were just as nasty but if someone questions you on a blog that you can respond too (as we know AA could not be responded too) you cry and want a disclaimer!  I know now I heard it all.  I'm sorry but after what you and your pal did to me and so many other people; you deserve all the grief you get here and much more.  Nuff said! "

 Autograph Magazine is full of this type of stuff, people trashing other people and nothing happy or positive is ever posted on this site.

 here is yet another random sample

 "No set up.  In many of TM's auctions he lists an item (or items) without specifically saying who signed it. Check it out."

 and more garbage still

 ""I was just going to mention that. She was Jewish, no fish there, just an x."

an the trash talk goes on...

"Question: "What does the Christian fish symbol mean (ixthus / icthus)?"Answer: The Greek word for fish is "ixthus" or "icthus." The Christian fish symbol that many Christians place on their cars is known as the piss and s**t of "

 and another..

 "If these are fake; then the GREATEST forger of all times has been set loose on the world.  If he can forge a Allen Holdsworth signature and dedication that good he can do anybody!"

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