California attorney general Even california attorney general seems to be protecting crooks like eBay Sacramento, California

Obviously you did not read what I wrote above well. You said you were going to leave my posts right? We are tired of your sick argument. Just try to keep your word for a change...As Robert said, I should not waste my time with a troll like you...

And that is their right. All I asked for is some proof? If seems anyone who questions you is demented or whatever names you have called me as well..but you are the one who really comes off as demented.

The bottom line seems is that you do not like some of bays policies, failed to abide, and lost. How does the make Ebay Criminal? Why do you lodge reports here against the BBB and the California State Attorney Generals office just because they have enough sense like the rest of us to notice you messed up are are an idiot..and a a*****e too?

...by posting a link to a www.priceshuffle.com  ripoff report?????

I will even post the link myself.. Report back on the results please.

http://www.priceshuffle.com/

I explained above in details what the seller did. Legally speaking this may not rise to the level of crime in the legal sense but if this matter goes to court I will win a civil case against him. This makes him a crook and I can call his actions fraudulent without any reservation. For a crime to be prosecuted by the government it has to have an important element which is the "Intent" This may not be easy to prove in a court that is why the AG will not prosecute such a case. Now when ebay protects such a crook and dont do anything about him they are partners in his fraud and that makes them crooks as well. This seller will most certainly play the same trick on other buyers in the future and ebay is happy about that. I am sure any court would hold ebay civil liable for the seller's actions. I can call ebay fraudulent and support crooks on that basis. When it comes to the AG prosecuting them as criminals this may not meet that standard and the AG will not prosecute them as such. Ask your attorney about the difference between the two situations but dont judge something if you dont know anything about it. That will make you look....demented. If you are happy with ebay continue dealing with them but I want to call them crooks and stop dealing with them. Eat your heart out.

Ripoff Report 830061
"Beware of ebay and paypal....Fraud in disguise"

Ripoff Report 846864
The BBB is protecting crooks like ebay... I complained to the BBB of silicon valley, CA against ebay and paypal due to their fraudulent activities... they are running an organized fraud operation... I will continue going after ebay and its crooks... 

Ripoff Report 856451
"Even california attorney general seems to be protecting crooks like eBay... It looks like in CA everybody is protecting crooks like ebay... I believe they are crooks"

"ebay didnt commit a crime"

Now that you have admitted that eBay didn't commit a crime, why did you make multiple accusations that they are crooks and committed fraud? Liar Liar.

ebay didnt commit a crime. I am questioning their unfair practices like many othes who use their service. They denied my claim just because of the 45 days deadline not because the seller didnt lie to me. They put this deadline especially to frustrate complaints and evade liability. I didnt file a case before the deadline because the seller kept giving me all kinds of false promises and was lying to me with sweet talk like: we are working on your order, we are checking with the post office, we will let you know as soon as we find out. we will ship your order soon. we are going to ship tomorrow.  It turned out that he was buying time to pass the deadline. After that he stopped responding to me completely. All the sweet talk and rosy promises stopped completely.  What do you call that?? Why would I file a case against someone who was fully cooperating with me and responding to all my emails with enthusiasm and dedication?? I didn't know that he was a professional crook. During the last 10 years I bought dozens of items online.  This was the only seller who lied to me like that. I am blaming ebay because they are protecting such a crook. They have full record of my correspondence with him. Denying my claim just because of the deadline makes them partners in fraud. That is how I see it. I dont care how others do.  Such sellers have long experience in ebay and they know how to lie to customers to pass the deadline. It is very likely that he will do the same thing to other customers in the future and eBay is not trying to do anything to stop him. If you dont call that outrageous it is your problem bu I do!!

I find that in sharp contrast to what happened with Amazon seller for example. A similar issue happened but Amazon was quick to force the seller to correct the situation without any deadlines, any hassle, any hesitation. I am not aware of anybody complaining against Amazon because they have a solid policy to care for their customers no matter what.

Who said that the AG is specialized in crimes ONLY?? It looks like many of the readers here believe that. The AG is well involved in "unfair market practices" and all other civil cases that are involved with the public. My complaint is certainly within its jurisdiction. Since ebay is conducting business on a large scale with the public it is certainly within the AG jurisdiction and should at least conform to the American standards and reply to complaints

The federal government always interferes in cases that concern the public. A good example is the government law suit against Microsoft for violating anti trust laws even though MS didnt commit any crime. The government is concerned about the unfair market practices.

I doubt very much that the governer wont answer my email. I am sure he has a team for dealing with the public. Even if he doesn't do anything he will be informed what is going on within his government. If he agrees with the AG practice (of ignoring complaints from the public) that will be a different story.

You agreed to eBay's policies when you created your account. It is not a rip off or fraud because later you decided that you don't agree with those policies.

On 3/23 Ronny g asked you what crime eBay committed? Did you answer the question?

"california attorney general seems to be protecting crooks... The main purpose of this is to make as much exposure about ebay -and the crooks who protect it- as possible... This matter has been sent to the office of California governor who is going to give his opinion about the AG behavior."

Governor Brown is going to give his opinion? How do you know that? If he doesn't respond will you claim a conspiracy involving the governor, the attorney general, eBay and Mickey Mouse?

I dont know why my post here is pissing you off Mr Jim. You dont seem to understand well what I wrote. Just ready my first post well. I didnt say I want the AG to prosecute ebay. This is certainly not in their function. I said that they have a complaint form on their site and they are supposed to resond somehow to those complaints. It is not acceptable to play deaf to complaints while they invite them. That is what I wanted the governor to comment on. After all I am not losing anything from the whole thing. I am just sending a few emails while sitting at my desk. The purpose of my actions is to expose ebay to the public as much as possible. If you think they didnt do anything wrong that is your problem. I believe they are crooks and many people share my views, namely thousands of people do. You continue dealing with them and don't tell me what to do or not to do, OK?

...then please proceed.  The AG has ignored you, which is why proceeding is an idiotic venture.  The AG of California is not in the business of prosecuting a company like E-Bay because (a) the revenue E-Bay brings into the state....is substantial, and California will do anything to keep E-Bay from relocating to Oregon or Nevada, (b) the AG is not in the business of prosecuting companies who didn't do anything wrong in the first place.  You continue to accuse the people you complain to of being corrupt because they won't act on your complaint.  The reality, in case you haven't figured it out yet, is that E-Bay did nothing wrong.

Having said that, if you wish to continue pursuing this issue, then do it yourself and stop bugging the AG about it; the AG is not your attorney.  If you want your own attorney, you need to pay for it, and no your tax dollars don't pay for the AG.  Instead of this stupidity you continue to engage in, just sue E-Bay in small claims, and let someone decide the issue for you.  Small claims suit cost minimal amounts, and if you think they really did something wrong, put some money up and prove it.  When they get the notification, my guess is that if it's a small amount you're out, they'll pay you the amount you're out even if E-Bay did nothing wrong.  Of course, they may have you sign something indicating there is no guilt on their part, and I'd do that if I were you...  Please don't come back and justify your letters to the AG - there is nothing you can do to justify that....just proceed with the suit.

I didnt say I am expecting much damage to ebay all of a sudden. As for the governor's reaction lets wait and see. My complaint to him was about the AG behavior of shunning consumer's complaints without any response. I doubt that he or his aid- will be happy with that. He is not going to interfere with the details of my complaint against ebay. The main purpose of this is to make as much exposure about ebay -and the crooks who protect it- as possible. The most guaranteed way of failure is never trying!!. What if a similar business was established tomorrow? Then you will see how quickly ebay will falter. The market is ever changing and not constant.  When I expose the BBB as well to the public that will make noise enough to at least embarrass them and shake peoples trust in them so the uncertainty of the outcome is no excuse not to try now.

As for Ronny who defends ebay try to look here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/websites/price-shuffle/price-shuffle-scam-149-95-a-faf28.htm

this shows how dyslexic and demented this guy is.

As for ebay competitors here are some examples:

Amazon.com, upillar.com, pricegrabber.com, buy.com, http://cj.shop.com, http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Who knows who else will get into the market tomorrow?

And Al's towing and Bank Of America and Best Buy and Toyota. I pour sludge into peoples engines just for shitz and giggles and don't care about my customers at all.

DISCLAIMER:  Anyone who is not capable of distinguishing such blatant sarcasm from reality, is probably not fit to make online transactions without some degree of fail.

If you think the governor is going to even look at your complaint, you think way to highly of yourself. Put the crack pipe back in the drawer.

You MIGHT get a generic auto reply, or may even get some half assed reply from some aid, but that's it.

As far as Ebay's market sheare goes, they are the only game in town for the small seller. Really.

Ebay has had a horrible attitude, and piss poor business practices for at least 10 years I can vouch for, and yet their business has grown like 20 fold.

Shoots your theory.

Time for a reality check.

(It's not all about you, and nobody at Ebay or the Governors office cares about your petty sniveling).

Really.
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Mr Roony said that he is the owner of ebay in another post. Who are you exactly?

I am not waiting for you to say if my complaint is valid or not. This matter has been sent to the office of California governor who is going to give his opinion about the AG behavior. Let's wait and see.

As I said earlier, ebay may not topple over night. It will lose market share gradually when more and more people realize its unfair practices. For example Amazon is a good alternative. They take the customer's side no matter what. That makes people prefer to deal with them instead of doing risky business with ebay, They sell used items sometimes.

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Mr Roony said that he is the owner of ebay in another post. Who are you exactly?
I am not waiting for you to say if my complaint is valid or not. This matter has been sent to the office of California governor who is going to give his opinion about the AG behavior. Let's wait and see.

As I said earlier, ebay may not topple over night. It will lose market share gradually when more and more people realize its unfair practices. For example Amazon is a good alternative. They take the customer's side no matter what. That makes people prefer to deal with them instead of doing risky business with ebay, They sell used items sometimes.

You did not file your dispute within 45 days of the transaction. eBay did not commit fraud.

"I complained before to other AGs in different states and they interfered and mediated a solution with the business involved."

Maybe you should be more cautious when conducting business transactions to avoid the frequent need to contact state attorney generals.

They conduct on average 5 million transactions per day. A few will sadly fail at it and some will win disputes, some will lose disputes, and some will get kicked off. Ebay is not a right, it is a privilege. But the world is becoming some kind of place where everyone thinks they are "entitled" to anything they want and blame everyone else when they fail to follow the rules or make a mistake in judgement. But can not provide a reasonable solution or suggestion that is better..just whine.

Now not to say Ebay is perfect..they are not in my opinion (and neither am I). And when they mess up..they end up in court and settle like most big businesses do. I don't know what they lost over last time but I was sent like 20 cents in the settlement a year or so ago and was like...oh...thanks?

Off course ebay is not going to topple because of this but as the number of dissatisfied customers grow and each one of them spreads the word they are going to lose some business. When I go against the corrupted businesses that protect them they will suffer as well. I am going to contact California governor to see what he says about his AG behavior. lets see if that is going to make some noise or not....

Ebay is way too big and way too arrogant.

Losing 1 customer would not even be noticeable to Ebay.

They are so big, they could lose 1,000 customers in 1 day, and still wouldn't notice.

Nor would they care.

They have the genuine "take it or leave it" attitude which fits right into the CA business culture.

Next.

.....by publicizing this matter real well. If one person stops using ebay due to this, they will lose much more than what I lost but they seem to be too dumb to understand that...but you are not worried about any loss because you are  a smart guy who can make a good judgment and a simple online transaction right? Congratulations.

What is stopping you? Maybe they will go after the Chinese seller too. 

I know exactly what the BBB is. I know it is a business not a government. I made a distinction between it and the AG so where is the problem?.

It is true that the AG handles complaints as a courtesy but where is the courtesy in defaulting on complaints and acting deaf about them? This is what is odd and uncourteous about the AG. Accepting complaints first and playing deaf about them is rude and stupid and makes the AG not deserving the public trust.

Also, the AG accepts complaints to see if there is a pattern of repeated merchant's misbehavior. In such a case they interfere and make a public case out of it so it is not always a matter of courtesy. This should apply to ebay because there are thousands and thousands of complaints against it every year. it is simply not deserving the customers' trust. The AG can interfere in this matter and compell ebay to correct the situation but it is not doing anything. After all, the Chinese seller used ebay to lie to me and rip me off the item price. ebay has a civil liability for this theft. If I was in USA and took this matter to court, ebay will have to pay that money from its own pocket regardless of the seller's behavior. I am sure a court would rule in my favor.

First of all, the State Attorney General accepts those complaints as a COURTESY and forwards them on to the applicaple agency for handling again, as a COURTESY.

Second, and most important. You are sorely misinformed on the BBB. The BBB is NOT any form of government agency, and there are no elected officials. The BBB is a private organization. It is a BUSINESS, not a government agency. many people are misinformed on what the BBB actually is. In any case, the public does not elect any official at the BBB. The BBB has no authority under any law to do anything for anyone. You need to do your homework on the BBB. Education is the key.

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"Gentleman_10" wrote:

It is well within the attorney general's jurisdiction to handle complaints like mine. I complained before to other AGs in different states and they interfered and mediated a solution with the business involved. Besides, if the AG has no jurisdiction on something they are supposed to say so from the beginning or at least respond to my complaint with such info. In this case, the AG doesnt say on its site that they dont take such complaints and they never responded to my second follow up. They acted completely deaf and that is not acceptable from the AG.

As for the complaint about ebay, it is not the subject of this post but if you follow the link I provided in top you will learn all about it.

It is true I have to make my choices. That is why I closed my account in ebay and paypal and stopped dealing with them. However, since there is a pattern with a certain business with many complaints per year, I expect the law enforcement agencies to do something about it. If the BBB is corrupted and could be bought by money, what is the excuse of a publicly elected official? That is why the public needs to know what is going on with an official that it elected.

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..that is a crime? Maybe that is the bigger question.  If you can post the crime they committed, then maybe we can help you with the AG.

It is well within the attorney general's jurisdiction to handle complaints like mine. I complained before to other AGs in different states and they interfered and mediated a solution with the business involved. Besides, if the AG has no jurisdiction on something they are supposed to say so from the beginning or at least respond to my complaint with such info. In this case, the AG doesnt say on its site that they dont take such complaints and they never responded to my second follow up. They acted completely deaf and that is not acceptable from the AG.

As for the complaint about ebay, it is not the subject of this post but if you follow the link I provided in top you will learn all about it.

It is true I have to make my choices. That is why I closed my account in ebay and paypal and stopped dealing with them. However, since there is a pattern with a certain business with many complaints per year, I expect the law enforcement agencies to do something about it. If the BBB is corrupted and could be bought by money, what is the excuse of a publicly elected official? That is why the public needs to know what is going on with an official that it elected.

First of all, you need to understand the role of the State Attorney General, and it's jurisdiction.

The State Attorney General is not there to be your middleman in petty disputes.

They have no mandate or authority to represent individual consumers.It simply is not their purpose.

The State Attorney General is responsible for providing legal guidance to state agencies, and representing the interests of the citizens of a state as a whole, but not on an individualm basis.

Also, a note on the BBB. Don't waste your time. This is a useless and corrupt organization that has no legal authority to do anything for anyone. The BBB is an extortion scam. Any piss poor business can be "accredited" as long as they are in good standing with the payment of their membership fees!

The bottom line here is that you need to educate yourself on your rights, and who is responsible for what.

You never did state what your specific complaint was against Ebay.

Do you actually have a specific complaint against Ebay?

If so, what is it??

People often fail to realize that there really is no one out there to protect you in civil matters other than the civil litigation process. There really is no adequate level of consumer protection.

The bottom line is that you are responsible for defending your own rights in civil matters at your own time and expense.

That's the law.

As a consumer, if you don't like a particular business, you have a choice as to whether or not you do business with them.

It's all about choices.

Make yours.

Problem solved.