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Complaint Review: Carlos And Nayda Pineiro - West Hollywood California

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  • Carlos And Nayda Pineiro 8741 Santa Monica Blvd West Hollywood, California U.S.A.

Carlos And Nayda Pineiro Fraud, theft, deceit, lies West Hollywood California

*Author of original report: Unjust post

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: THIS IS ALL A HOAX...........CARLOS@Nayda are great People !!!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: funny...lol

*UPDATE Employee: What a joke.....you people look up sky minor go to keller willims....he is the fraud guy...

*Consumer Comment: Numbers fell apart.

*Consumer Comment: Numbers fell apart.

*Consumer Comment: Numbers fell apart.

*Consumer Comment: Numbers fell apart.

*Consumer Comment: What I know of this whole mess ...

*Author of original report: What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

*Author of original report: What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

*Author of original report: What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

*Author of original report: What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Sounds like Carlos changed his name to "Barlos"

*UPDATE Employee: All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

*UPDATE Employee: All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

*UPDATE Employee: All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

*UPDATE Employee: All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Carlos and Nayda are a classic examples of Con Artists

*Author of original report: These reports are hoaxes

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Once again Sky Minor the retard (look at his myspace picture) LIES LIES LIES

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to a woeful rebuttal.

*UPDATE Employee: sky is a liar

*UPDATE Employee: sky minor &rachel mintz are liars

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Carlos and Nayda Pineiro together approached me to invest in a bar/restaurant with them in West Hollywood around January 2007. Nayda Pineiro signed a note personally guaranteeing monthly payments on my $125000 investment. The plan was for Carlos and Nayda to buy the establishment called "Numbers" at 8741 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood CA 90069 for about $400000. Numbers had been in business for over 30 years and the pair was going to operate the business with myself as a silent partner. After being in business for a year, they would refinance with an SBA loan and pay me back. Carlos and Nayda became totally silent and would not tell me anything after they got the money out of my property (Nayda took out a line of credit on my property to get the money and I was making the mortgage payments. Their payments to me would cover the mortgage payments and also cover my desired return). They did not return calls, emails or text messages for two months and were not to be found in Numbers. When I finally caught them there he insisted everything was a misunderstanding and apologized. He paid me one month of payments and assured me that this would never happen again. His monthly payments were never on time, if he made them at all. I later discovered that he did not actually buy the establishment at all, he merely told the landlord at the property that he was the new owner and would be making the rent payments-He completely lied to me! He also insisted that I was the only investor when I later discovered he had fleeced other investors for over $500000 in total. What did he do with that money if he didn't pay any of it for the purchase of the establishment? I can't imagine. Over a year I received five monthly payments and then only when I would badger Carlos and Nayda incessantly and repeatedly visit Numbers. I found the place was closed for over two months and Carlos continued with the stream of lies telling me that he was letting one of his friends run it. I later found out that he was trying to sell it and run off with the money when he is owing half a million dollars (at least) to other people! The escrow has been going for several weeks and when confronted with his lies, Carlos does not acknowledge them but merely tries to intimidate his accusers with threats of lawsuits, death threats, threats against loved ones, etc. The pair acted fraudulently and deceitfully and should be avoided at all costs. Furthermore Carlos Pineiro makes criminal threats when he is exposed as the liar that he is. If you are unlucky enough to come across these two, I advise running far away and holding onto your wallet. Carlos Pineiro and Nayda Pineiro are rip-off artists to the fullest extent possible.

Sky
Los Angeles, California
U.S.A.

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#24 Author of original report

Unjust post

AUTHOR: Bike fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, March 25, 2010

The accused parties are good people who have never wronged anyone. They are legitimate business people and investors and should not be judged based on these accusations. Since this post was written several years ago, the opposing parties have since come to a fair and just business agreement. Although they have made the attempt, they have not been able to delete these posts which were erroneously written about one another. Please note, the accused (Carlos and Nayda) are good, fair and just business people and should in no way be judged by these accusations. 

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#23 REBUTTAL Individual responds

THIS IS ALL A HOAX...........CARLOS@Nayda are great People !!!

AUTHOR: Marie - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Nice People Whom Should Have Never Invested in That Crazy Rest>>>>>

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#22 REBUTTAL Owner of company

funny...lol

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, November 17, 2009

NO ...! 1 Bartender  ????Tell us yre Name ???  I am Happy and still living in Los Angeles>
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Doing Well Actually....Better Than Ever..



Regards.


Carlos Pineiro..

Spoke To Sky And we are both Doing Well.

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#21 UPDATE Employee

What a joke.....you people look up sky minor go to keller willims....he is the fraud guy...

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, January 27, 2009

I also worked for Carlos.....He did pay me....And yes Regarding Sal...sal walked in one day and demanded 50 hour....what ????sal cant even speak English led alone pay him 50 hour >>>>a joke.Regarding Evans......Evvans came in drunk everyday....he wasnt even aloud at night because of his drinking,The never fired him and they should have so please

TED

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#20 Consumer Comment

Numbers fell apart.

AUTHOR: King Of The Strip - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 12, 2008

I used to go into Numbers occasionally when Tony still owned it. It was run down but it was always welcoming. I didn't realize anything was different until one day the name was Digits and there was a cheap banner hanging off the side of building. Asking a few friends who seemed to know what the story was I discovered that it had been taken over by a straight named Carlos and his wife. A couple of weeks later they closed and remodeled the place. When it reopened I went in and I would talk to the bartenders they would whisper how they were owed pay from two weeks back. Sal told me the new owner was not paying him as he should. Something began to smell in the house of cruising. As I would drop by it became obvious that the place was on the way down. They started having girls in there and the prices went up. These people don't know how to run a bar. I stopped going there all together. I don't know what was happening behind the scenes but based on what I heard from my friends and how the new owners acted, I would believe that they were doing shady deals.

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#19 Consumer Comment

Numbers fell apart.

AUTHOR: King Of The Strip - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 12, 2008

I used to go into Numbers occasionally when Tony still owned it. It was run down but it was always welcoming. I didn't realize anything was different until one day the name was Digits and there was a cheap banner hanging off the side of building. Asking a few friends who seemed to know what the story was I discovered that it had been taken over by a straight named Carlos and his wife. A couple of weeks later they closed and remodeled the place. When it reopened I went in and I would talk to the bartenders they would whisper how they were owed pay from two weeks back. Sal told me the new owner was not paying him as he should. Something began to smell in the house of cruising. As I would drop by it became obvious that the place was on the way down. They started having girls in there and the prices went up. These people don't know how to run a bar. I stopped going there all together. I don't know what was happening behind the scenes but based on what I heard from my friends and how the new owners acted, I would believe that they were doing shady deals.

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#18 Consumer Comment

Numbers fell apart.

AUTHOR: King Of The Strip - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 12, 2008

I used to go into Numbers occasionally when Tony still owned it. It was run down but it was always welcoming. I didn't realize anything was different until one day the name was Digits and there was a cheap banner hanging off the side of building. Asking a few friends who seemed to know what the story was I discovered that it had been taken over by a straight named Carlos and his wife. A couple of weeks later they closed and remodeled the place. When it reopened I went in and I would talk to the bartenders they would whisper how they were owed pay from two weeks back. Sal told me the new owner was not paying him as he should. Something began to smell in the house of cruising. As I would drop by it became obvious that the place was on the way down. They started having girls in there and the prices went up. These people don't know how to run a bar. I stopped going there all together. I don't know what was happening behind the scenes but based on what I heard from my friends and how the new owners acted, I would believe that they were doing shady deals.

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#17 Consumer Comment

Numbers fell apart.

AUTHOR: King Of The Strip - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, November 12, 2008

I used to go into Numbers occasionally when Tony still owned it. It was run down but it was always welcoming. I didn't realize anything was different until one day the name was Digits and there was a cheap banner hanging off the side of building. Asking a few friends who seemed to know what the story was I discovered that it had been taken over by a straight named Carlos and his wife. A couple of weeks later they closed and remodeled the place. When it reopened I went in and I would talk to the bartenders they would whisper how they were owed pay from two weeks back. Sal told me the new owner was not paying him as he should. Something began to smell in the house of cruising. As I would drop by it became obvious that the place was on the way down. They started having girls in there and the prices went up. These people don't know how to run a bar. I stopped going there all together. I don't know what was happening behind the scenes but based on what I heard from my friends and how the new owners acted, I would believe that they were doing shady deals.

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#16 Consumer Comment

What I know of this whole mess ...

AUTHOR: Eternity Now - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, November 06, 2008

I've been hesitating jumping into the fray but I do know for fact certain that Carlos and Nayda did not buy Numbers from the previous owners. They didn't pay him anything but they did put their own money into the business. Since neither one of them really had a background in the restaurant business, they ran it into the ground. First, they had to change the name to Digits because of old debts that Numbers had and then they lost their ABC license because of the name change. Then they raises their prices which alienated a lot of the old clientele then they slow-paid all their vendors and their employees which is against the law. They finally closed the place and sold it outright for pennies on the dollar. They didn't pay the prior owner or their investors but kept the money justifying that they lost so much themselves. Ironically, the re-opened Numbers is actually fairly successful because they lowered the prices and are holding successful Happy Hours.

I don't know who's right between the Pineiros and Sky Minor but I do know that Carlos has been involved in other deals where it didn't end well for the parties involved. Nayda is a sweet woman but a bit clueless about her husband's dealings. I feel sorry for her the most. I also know that they had to sell their house and now are living in a small apartment in West Hollywood and driving only one car. It's a bit sad to see them move from their large house in the HOllywood Hills and to have to get ride of their Ferraris, Range Rovers and Mercedes.

I hope it all gets straightened out.

Peace Out

An Unbiased POV

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#15 Author of original report

What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 27, 2008

See the above comments from another of Carlos's victims!!! Carlos and Nayda Pineiro are complete scum bags, a point that I have espoused online for months now! Stay far away from this pair! Do your research!

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#14 Author of original report

What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 27, 2008

See the above comments from another of Carlos's victims!!! Carlos and Nayda Pineiro are complete scum bags, a point that I have espoused online for months now! Stay far away from this pair! Do your research!

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#13 Author of original report

What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 27, 2008

See the above comments from another of Carlos's victims!!! Carlos and Nayda Pineiro are complete scum bags, a point that I have espoused online for months now! Stay far away from this pair! Do your research!

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#12 Author of original report

What do you know? Other people calling Carlos and Nayda Pineiro out on being total scam artists!!! Sky Minor 310-709-8283

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, October 27, 2008

See the above comments from another of Carlos's victims!!! Carlos and Nayda Pineiro are complete scum bags, a point that I have espoused online for months now! Stay far away from this pair! Do your research!

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#11 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sounds like Carlos changed his name to "Barlos"

AUTHOR: Hllywdbartender - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Dear "Barlos" Everyone in west hollywood knows what type of rip off con artist you and your supposedly ex-wife are?? Is that another scam so the IRS doesnt go after your property. Knowing the both of you I sure you scammed something up to fake you seperation. Anyway if you really paid everyone, then I am sure you wouldnt mind if we asked some of the ex-employees and especially Sal that you owe 22K, whether you actually paid all your bills. Better yet I wonder if the person you stole the business from would testify to the fact that you and your ding bat wife never paid for the business but stole it. Pay your bills man, you are not welcome to west hollywood stay away. A little research on you and your wife has gone a long way and there has been a lot uncovered about the both of you now the story is that you guys scammed a dead man estate of a condo in west hollywood claiming once again that you owned it when in fact you didnt it...you two bit liar

Number 1 Bartender

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#10 UPDATE Employee

All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 12, 2008

This is all bull once again number one bartender ????what's yre name ???sky minor is a thief

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#9 UPDATE Employee

All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 12, 2008

This is all bull once again number one bartender ????what's yre name ???sky minor is a thief

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#8 UPDATE Employee

All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 12, 2008

This is all bull once again number one bartender ????what's yre name ???sky minor is a thief

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#7 UPDATE Employee

All lies again barlos and nayda paid everyone but sky minor.

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, October 12, 2008

This is all bull once again number one bartender ????what's yre name ???sky minor is a thief

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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Carlos and Nayda are a classic examples of Con Artists

AUTHOR: Hllywdbartender - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, September 04, 2008

Sky I have to agree with everything you said about the Pinieros, you and I talked once at the restaurant when it was Numbers. I couldn't tell you a lot because I needed my job but Carlos and Nayda are complete thiefs and I am surprised they haven't been arrested and charged with grand theft. If anyone is thinking pressing charges it would be a good idea before they continue on their spree of stealing and destroying other peoples lives. Here is what I know as the facts since I was an employee at Numbers at the time of the transition. They never paid the prior owner for the business and basically created fraudulent escrow accounts and dragged the owner pretending they had every intention of closing. What they did is unforgiveable, the basically took all the money from the business never paid any bills and told the landlord and vendors that he had left town.

Turns out that was completely false as some of us at Numbers kept communicating wiht the previous owner, some of the employees at Numbers got wind of this fact and we did our own investigation in the matter because we had not gotten paid for months and we were wondering what was happening. Apparently Carlos and Nayda owe the prior owner in excess of $500,000 and Carlos apparently threatened to kill the guy if he pursued him any further to get paid. Sky, everything you have stated about the Pinerios is unforunately 100% accurate. They even went as far as not even paying the previous chef who is owed $21,000 from the Pineiros and now some of us ex employees are getting calls from the state board and IRS trying to get the story straight on the Pinieros.

As of 2 weeks ago I heard he made a visit to O Bar and told some old customers of Numbers that he recently bought the Spanish Kitchen on La Cienega and the old Acupalco space on La Cienega and turning into a gay sports bar???? This guy is a serial pathlogical liar and con artist as his is wife who played the game well. Sky keep up the fight you are doing the right thing exposing the both of them. Does anybody know his whereabouts exactly I heard he has been seen loitering on the streets of santa monica blvd and San vincente not too long ago.

By the way looking at all the other comments from Joe, there is only one Joe at numbers and that is Joe Evans and I know he went thru hell with Pineros owing him money as well so I really dont think he is supportive of them and those emails from Joe are not real you are correct Sky!

It sucks it has to come to all this Mudslinging but whatever it takes to let everyone in Los Angeles know about the Pineiro's Con Artist fraudulent activities then we gotta do it.

Number "1" Bartender!
Hollywood.

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#5 Author of original report

These reports are hoaxes

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, August 29, 2008

Hello Everyone! Sky Minor at www.skyminor.com (skyminor) is here again with further fact shedding on this online mudslinging festival. As always I encourage anyone who might be interested in learning the truth about my unfortunate encounter with Carlos and Nayda Pineiro to contact me at xxxxxxxxx.


My message to Carlos Pineiro who is posing as fictitious quasi-anonymous people on every negative review of me online is multi-pronged. We will first address the most recent post. First off, Keller Williams is not a loan brokerage. They do not and have not ever done any loan transaction, ever. So the thought of me doing loans at all out of Keller Williams in Los Feliz is erroneous. Keller Williams is a real estate brokerage. You should know this after doing at least one deal through the company whereby you scammed a co-investor from Texas on a property out of a substantial amount of money. Secondly, I have never done nor will I ever do any fraudulent loan of any type. I deal with legitimate clients who do not resort to fraud and theft to further their interests, unlike you, Carlos Pineiro. I beseech anyone paying attention to these strings to compare the actions of Carlos Pineiro to that of Despised former Senator Joseph Mccarthy in regards to his attempts to attack me with no evidence or even worse, false and laughably incorrect evidence (i.e. Keller Williams brokers mortgage loans). Carlos, There's just no need to blatantly and desperately attempt to defile me with the fact-finding depth of a National Enquirer article and the clawing urgency of a half-witted bi-polar dwarf.

Further fraudulent reports against myself and my many endeavors originating from non-existant people on the rip-off report site simply lead to the inevitable conclusion that you, Carlos Pineiro are a con artist and vengeful cretin of the most loathsome and vile variety. One who preys on the good faith of legitimate entrepreneurs and even the good intentions of your wife to suck and usurp every available resource and bolster your own self image and prestige to anyone who will lend you half an ear. And worse, when someone actually stands up to your bullying and playground intimidation, you try to fraudulently discredit them from anonymous sources stating hearsay and plain out DUMB CRAP. Each and every person who I have met that has known you will testify to the fact that you are shady, contemptuous and a scum bag on all fronts. In addition to the $125000 you have stolen from me, I hereby offer you a paid six month prescription for Lithium to curb the effects of your bi-polarism and pathological lying. Perhaps it would help you to do some real good in your future endeavors, kind of like I am doing at my non-profit organization counseling people in foreclosure and helping dozens of people each week to avoid foreclosure. I help on a local and national level Carlos, I challenge you to do the same.

Below is the exact text of the threatening letter that Carlos Pineiro and Attorney Perry-Roshan Zamir had sent to myself and my non-profit employer in response to the very first blog that I had posted online detailing Carlos and Nayda Pineiro and how they stole $125000 from me. I post it just to air the truth in this pathetic matter.

Mr. Sky Minor July 2nd, 2008
HOPE Coalition America
707 Wilshire Boulevard, 30th Floor
Los Angeles, California 90017
Re: Pineiro v. Minor
Libel Action
Dear Mr. Minor,
As I informed you in our previous telephone conversation, I have been retained by Nayda
Pineiro with respect to her claims against you arising from your defamatory statements regarding
our client.
We have been informed and believe that you have made certain defamatory statements
regarding our client, including the attached statement you have posted on the internet. In these
statements you falsely state that our client has acted fraudulently and deceitfully and should be
avoided at all costs.
In relation to this matter, you undoubtedly know or should know that your statements of
patently false and without any merit. I strongly advised you during our conversation that you
should immediately withdraw any such defamatory statements as they continue to cause
substantial damage to our client. You agreed to withdraw the same, but have failed to do so.
Your actions are clearly malicious with conscious disregard of our client's rights and continue to
cause damages to our clients.
Upon receipt of this letter you are directed to immediately remove the false and
defamatory language from any websites and confirm with me that you have immediately cease
and desist from making these or any other false and defamatory statements against our client.
You are also directed to send me a draft of your retraction for my comments and approval. Once
we have agreed upon suitable language, you are further directed to post the retraction and
apology in at least as prominent a location on the internet as the defamatory pieces were
originally posted.
Additionally, our client believes that you have done the forgoing acts within the scope of
your employment and using the resources of your employer. If this is true, we will have no
choice but to include your employer in any subsequent lawsuit we are forced to institute.
We trust that you will make the right decision.
Sincerely,
Perry Roshan-Zamir

I close this chapter with the fact that on Monday 8/25/08, Carlos Pineiro left me a voice message on my cell phone asking what the dollar amount would be that I would settle with him. The proof is in the pudding and on the voicemail. Thanks for listening people. See you around, "Sam", "David", "Joe" and the myriad other fake people posting lies about me.

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Once again Sky Minor the retard (look at his myspace picture) LIES LIES LIES

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 11, 2008

ONCE again Sky minor is a little boy crying Wolf ,,lies and lies, faulty loans STAY AWAY PEOPLE,from BAXTER HOUSE (joke).preffered realty ,clear sky lending. anything with the word sky stay away....as you log on to these websites there is never a phone number or someone to talk to .very strange...... I spoke to Carlos an he said( he also will be posting on this site with facts...regardig MINOR....and yes like sky said the lawyer is working with them to take action ..so mister sky get ready!!!!!

joe (a REAL PERSON THAT WORKED AT THE RESTAURENT)

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#3 Author of original report

Rebuttal to a woeful rebuttal.

AUTHOR: Bike Fast! - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, July 10, 2008

Every fact listed on the above complaint by myself is entirely factual and verifiable. In the interest of maintaining my own professionalism and credibility I have kept side commentary to a minimum and will refuse to resort to patently false claims and wildly flailing adolescent insults to make my case. My goal in posting this report is not to hurt Carlos and Nayda Pineiro but to accentuate the positive in a very negative situation by helping anyone else avoid any kind of business relationship with this gruesome twosome.

As an update on my earlier comment and keeping with my verifiable fact-based approach, Carlos Pineiro seemed to be a bit upset with my online declaration of his pint-sized treachery. After calling me no less than 10 times in one day on my cell phone and text messaging me an equal amount of times attempting to persuade, then intimidate and finally pathetically grovelling in front of me to remove my internet postings, he threatened me with legal action. I interpreted this as another in a line of Pineiro falsehoods on par with his M.O. This time, he came through however. I received a request to call a number unfamiliar to me from my real estate website. When I called the number expecting to speak with another future satisfied real estate client I instead had the pleasure of speaking with an attorney who was in someway associated with Carlos Pineiro. The attorney proceeded to "advise" me to remove my "defamatory" postings. I told him that I would be happy to, just as soon as I was paid the monies due to me from Carlos and Nayda Pineiro. He implied that Carlos did not have the money available to pay me and implied Carlos owed him money as well. He told me that posting things of that nature would weaken my case in a lawsuit to recover my monies because I could be seen as slandering Carlos and Nayda and that if he was my lawyer, he would advise me to remove my postings. I thanked him for his council and we politely parted ways.

Several days later numerous calls began coming into my work from mysterious sources. At first they would be directed to me. When I would pick up the phone, the caller would hang up. Then as the calls continued I began to hear laughing on the other line before hanging up. Finally after the 5th or 6th call I heard Carlos say "Now it's my turn" and again hang up. The caller proceeded to locate my boss and the company branch manager. The next day I received an email from the attorney that was cc'd to my boss and her supervisor. The letter demanded, amongst other things, that I was to publish an apology and a retraction of my "libel" and in "at least as prominent a location on the internet as the defamatory pieces were originally posted". As a side note-once things are posted here on rip-off report.com they cannot be removed as is advertised very clearly on the webpage. The letter went on to threaten a lawsuit against both me and my employer. How my employer could be brought into this is beyond my comprehension.

When nothing happened from my end, rebuttals began to appear from mysterious individuals on the rip-off report site counter-slandering me, my real estate and mortgage business, my rock band Baxter House and my ex-girlfriend amongst other entities that have no bearing whatsoever on my business with Carlos and Nayda Pineiro. It is my belief that these pathetically misdirected and laughably irrelevant attacks are originating from Carlos Pineiro but I cannot substantiate this belief.

Allow me to wrap this passage up with a humerous fact. Carlos has called me little, small, etc several times. He is 5'6" or shorter (usually seen wearing height-accentuating footwear) while I stand 6'2" in my sandals. Napolean complex I presume. Carlos and Nayda Pineiro are to be avoided. Don't be stupid like I was.

Sky,
The poor house in Los Angeles, CA

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#2 UPDATE Employee

sky is a liar

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 06, 2008

I used to work at digits (numbers) restaurent and had a great time !

Never did we have trouble with NAYDA and CARLOS...the pay was late some times but they always paid always..and When they were late they would always pay a little extra.

And regards to SKY .... just a little boy trying to hurt nice people,I met this nut job, i was a bartender and served him what a loser (tiped me 50cents) and claimed he was the owner...LOL...HE cant even tie his shoes,,like my co worker joe we know Carlos and NAYDA are GREAT>>>>>

jeremy.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

sky minor &rachel mintz are liars

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, July 06, 2008

sky minor is a liar,we all know that CARLOS & NAYDA are great people, sky minor used to go to the restaurent and brag that he was the owner ..get a life buddy and rachel with here my space holding a gun ??? what does that tell you about these kids...I heard that they are being investigated for faulty loans.and got fired at keller williams(RUMORS)...lol. if something please stay away from these kids also i heard.clear sky lending ,baxter house,prefferd realty all fronts for sky minor ,STAY away from the trash please take a look at his myspace...LOL...does he look retarded ?


joe

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