• Report: #1068869
Complaint Review:

Champ Bulldogs

  • Submitted: Sun, July 21, 2013
  • Updated: Mon, January 09, 2017

  • Reported By: happychoices — Los Angeles California
Champ Bulldogs
Internet USA

Champ Bulldogs Scott Ward, Andrea Ward, Caroline Ward and Shrinkabulls Champ Bulldogs is not AKC registered and their puppies are from abroad Internet

*Consumer Comment: THIS IS THE FAKEST REPORT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Satisfied Customer

*Consumer Comment: horrible looking bulldog

*Author of original report: It's crazy how testimonials come out months later

*Consumer Comment: AWESOME EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I have bought a puppy through shrinkabulls

*Author of original report: just do your research

*UPDATE Employee ..inside information: PROOF OF FAKE REPORT! MUST READ! SCROLL DOWN BELOW REPORT

*Author of original report: all I can say is do your research

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: FALSE COMPLAINT!! READ PROOF BELOW COMPLAINT

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After contacting Champ Bulldogs also affiliated with Shrinkabulls regarding a puppy I was interested in the whole disaster started right before my eyes. The lady was kind and very informing at first, her name was Caroline and although she never would give me her last name or much information about herself she claimed to have worked directly with Andrea and Scott Ward which are the owners of Champ Bulldogs or Shrinkabulls. I was given a long sob story about her health, how the puppies meant so much to the family and were the last of a dying pedigree that would always be extremely special to them. Then the BS started, I was rushed into placing a deposit only 24 hours after making contact, not given any information about their AKC registry and only told the dogs were FCI papered and in the process of being dually registered with the AKC at which time she sent me a sire liter processing receipt. Which later I found out to be a bunch of lies, AKC never once could verify the information they were giving to me, Bulldog Club of America which I was referred to by the AKC was very informing and almost alarming to what degree these people go to scam people out of their money. I soon learned all information I was being given was falsified and from a litter they'd registered in 2009. I was given a name and number for a veterinarian hospital they claimed had helped with the birthing of the beautiful puppy I was interested in, after doing my research I found that the Vet was nowhere I would ever take my dog and hardly recognized by any credentials, website or AKC and BCA associations. They then started to get a little frusterated as I worked through the information, constantly staying in contact with them and allowing them to keep providing any and all information they were able to. All of which was very confusing and completely bogus without any verifiable means. After making multiple calls to the AKC trying to verify their registrations, I finally followed their advice and caled the Bulldog Club of America and had a long talk with a lady that knew of Scott Ward and his entourage quite well and over the last 15+ years has heard and dealt with many of unsatisfied clients. I was told the puppies they are selling won't ever be AKC registered because they're all from the Netherlands and other foreign countries along with a lot of examples from other clients that have had beyond bad experiences with Champ Bulldogs. Caroline will all along maintain that the reason nothing checks out is because they're FCI registered and in the process of being AKC registered, if you check into that it won't add up and will just end with that's not even possible. After giving them the benefit of the doubt I was going to still try and work something out as the puppy they showed photos of on their website was absolutely adorable. But after asking for references multiple times I realized she was ignoring my request, never once gave me an email or telephone number to a happy client and sort of looking past that I figured if they could send me current cell phone photos of the puppy with todays date on a piece of paper then maybe we could still work something out, that again was a dead end and something they refused to do. Only then she said I have asked for more information than anybody they've ever sold a puppy to and that they would be keeping the dog I placed a deposit on but would not be able to refund my deposit because that's non-refundable. I never once told them I was done doing my research and trying to pursue the purchase of the dog, I simply stated how I was interested in finding out more information and hopefully something confirming enough to feel safe about wiring them as they requested the remaining $4,700. They would pressure me, say that I needed to send the money before they sold the puppy to another family that was interested and then once I had told them nothing checked out and that I was going to need photos and references they decided they were going to keep the puppy. I spoke with a lady that was referred to me through the BCA and she explained how her expereience went with them quite some years ago and just off what she stated I had finally made my decision it was time to write this review and let others possibly interseted in the Champ Bulldogs know it's nothing to get involved with. They won't let you come to their home and purchase the dog, only want to ship the puppy via United Airlines and will demand your deposit immediately after contact stating they have many of interested people that are looking for puppies and they won't be able to hold it without the deposit. Immediately after receiving the deposit they'll flood your inbox with unnessecary information all to take your attention off what really matters and then request you send the remaining funds within 48 - 72 hours or else they'll have to sell the puppy to the next interested individual.

Last words would be to contact me with any questions regarding my experience and to stay away until you have checked each and every avenue given to you. They are very good at what they do, have no credentials and will not give you references as the AKC requested I have before ever considering a purchase online. They won't allow you to meet the sire or dam (father or mother) and continously confuse you on where they're located. They gave me information to three different towns located in Ohio and claim Scott lives in Maryland and that they just recently relocated to Ohio. I have made contact with the Attorney General for the state of Ohio and plan to speak with the Better Business Bureau about their conduct as well.

 

 


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#1 Consumer Comment

THIS IS THE FAKEST REPORT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!

AUTHOR: Jen Cambell - ()

THIS IS A FAKE REPORT! DON'T BELIEVE ONE WORD! THIS MAKES ME SO MAD because I have bred/studded my very own female to the AKC sire's Dez & AKC grandsire Boss that she wrote this whole report about! Its crazy! All my puppies litters were AKC registered just fine from these same dogs. ITS FAKE! Email me & I will show you all of my AKC registration records from breeding to their studs & the AKC papers from the two dogs that I purchased from them! The last dog I purchased from them was from the same litter the poster is saying isn't registered! Well guess what I have my dogs AKC papers from them just fine! WE GO TO THE SAME VET! I have had to go to their house several times to breed my females! Their has never been a problem with registering any of my litters sired by their studs. Their dogs are pets in perfect conditions! They have always gone over the top for me. If I have a health question with any of my puppies they bend over backwards for me. They have even drove in the middle of the night to bring me breathing treatments when I had a sick puppy! This is not your average breeder here! This breeder goes WAY ABOVE the call of duty! This false complaint makes me SICK! I hope noone believes this trash! I know for a FACT that they were AKC inspected earlier this year and passed with flying colors. I saw the inspection reports. The AKC inspector said their dogs & paper work were both in great condition. SO THIS COMPLAINT BEING 100% FAKE FRAUD WAS WRITTEN BY A BREEDER or AN IDIOT WHO GOT MISINFORMATION AND RAN WITH IT! Notice the person who wrote this report never bought the dog so she doesn't know how the story would have ended. If she had bought it she would have been thrilled because they have the BEST DOGS! I have one from the litter she is referring too, I know the AKC sire & grandsire well! Read the reports below of proof where the breeder invited the poster to pick the puppy up in person & meet the sire. And where the breeder showed her proof of AKC registration! If anyone has any questions EMAIL ME jen.gillespie2001@gmail.com ! I have all the AKC documents of every breeding of have done to their studs & the AKC papers for the puppy I purchased out of this litter!!! The picture is of the sire of my puppy & the one the poster "wanted to buy". (does he look ugly to you)? Anyone who is reading this please look over my upset tone. You can say anything about me but if you lie about someone I know to be a great breeder who has helped me for years, yeah it upsets me! I attached a pic I had of Dez the sire to my puppy & the puppy poster said she was going to purchase. Yeah

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#2 Consumer Comment

Satisfied Customer

AUTHOR: Shawna - ()

I just happened to come upon this report, as I'm considering adding another bulldog to my family. I got my little chunky bulldog Jazzy from Champ Bulldogs a few years ago (Jan 2010). She was and still is in perfect health. She has the sweetest temperament, LOVES children and other dogs, and is overall just an awesome dog.

I cannot say whether or not the complaint that was posted is true or not.  However, I never had any problems when I registered my dog and had a pleasant experience overall. It might be different now, but I put down the deposit via paypal, then gave the remaining balance in cash the day I picked up my puppy. I was never pressured into putting down a deposit or giving them the balance prior to getting the puppy.

I was sent pictures/info on several puppies to choose from out of the litter.  I didn't go to their house in Cumberland or Ohio to pick up the puppy, so again...I'm not sure about that part of the complaint. I live in Northern Virginia, so I met Scott half way.  Everything went very smoothly.   

Like I said, I had a wonderful experience and absolutely love my Jazzy girl. I've actually recommended them to my friend who wants to buy a dog from them in the future.

  

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#3 Consumer Comment

horrible looking bulldog

AUTHOR: JackRopste - ()

If you bought this puppy from Champ Bulldogs or Shrinkabulls I am very happy to see what he looks like at about 6 - 9 months. This is a horrible looking bulldog, nothing like what a purebred dog should look like and if I were to guess you don't have papers for this particular dog. Did they claim they would send those to you after your purchase?

 

I have had experience with Champs Bulldogs and they are ridiculously lazy people that don't breed dogs but instead fly them from foreign countries and sell them to people ignorant enough to believe their crap. They haven't ever won a show, nobody at the bulldog club of america has even a positive comment about Scott, Andrea or Caroline. They have recently changed names and even had a different lady make all email contact. They are working at making a better name for themselves but from what I have saw it's still the same worthless peices of crap working the same d**n scams they've been working for the last 4-5 years.

Just make sure to follow out every lead, avenue and call the proper people to do your research before purchasing a puppy from these scam artists. 

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#4 Author of original report

It's crazy how testimonials come out months later

AUTHOR: happychoices - ()

I asked, begged and pleaded for customer testimonials. To no prevail they were not available in July. Now months later you have these people trying to help sweep this under the rug. I am nobody you need to try and take credit from, this was my exact experience and whether they admit their wrong doing or just try and cover it up I know the truth and actual facts about my experience with champ bulldogs! STAY AWAY!!! 

 

If you risk 5k via wire transfer to a company based in Maryland but operating out of Ohio it's only your fault you've been warned. These people are scum bags to say the leader, not Scott, Andrea or Caroline are registered breeders and can only say so much in the end let the akc or bulldog club of America tell you the facts! 

 

 

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#5 Consumer Comment

AWESOME EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Benzo - ()

I just purchased a puppy from Caroline and Andrea and I must say it was an excellent, smooth process. The puppy was EXACTLY as described. Caroline was very informative and helpful through the entire process.

I must say this is an extremely nice lady and a pleasure to deal with. Do not hesitate to purchase a puppy from them.

 

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#6 Consumer Comment

I have bought a puppy through shrinkabulls

AUTHOR: George T - ()

Hi,

I just came accross this. I am a customer from shrinkabulls about 6 months ago I purchased a dog through them. I cannot verify if it was shipped from another country as I did get it through united. Before purchasing I did contact other breeders that had similiar colors to our dogs and couldnt find anything really negative, unfortunately there was nothing positive either available. So we took a leap of faith and purchased our puppy through them anyway.

The dog arived as discussed in perfect health and he is a great dog, he is probably one of the smarter dogs ive ever raised. He doesnt have the typical fat face that most bullies have so that is a mild concern that maybe he is mixed somewhere but we have no regrets. I even plan to use them again in the future, the dog checked out in perfect health. Its a bit pricey yes, but the dog came in good health so im not really worried about it.

http://imgur.com/a/92CKf

I have attached an album of when we first got our pup

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#7 Author of original report

just do your research

AUTHOR: happychoices - ()

simple they might sell nice english bulldogs and perhaps they get them all from wonderful breeders and are like the broker of the bullies. Either way I know what I found out when I was in the process of purchasing one of their puppies, their rude very abbrasive people. The AKC does verify registration numbers and has no issue doing so for any other breeder but out of the three phone calls I made to them they couldn't seem to verify anything from the Ward family since 2009.

What was said between the Bulldog Club of America and me is a whole different story. Email me and I will explain but just proceed with caution and definitely don't place a deposit on a puppy until you've saw up to date cell phone photos. I have heard of stories where Scott and Andrea Ward were banned from breeding, sold a puppy that once delivered was almost 3 years old and on another attempt to scam somebody took full transfer of funds and never delivered the actual puppy. I am not sure why these people have not written reviews but assume soon enough it will all catch up with them.

Enjoy your Bulldog import business Caroline, I received an email from another one of you just the other day talking about new staff and new outlook. Maybe that will mean honest responses and not just picked through emails that you know depict nothing of what my experience with you was truly like.

 

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#8 UPDATE Employee ..inside information

PROOF OF FAKE REPORT! MUST READ! SCROLL DOWN BELOW REPORT

AUTHOR: CAROLINE MIDDLETON - ()

 PROOF - THIS REPORT IS UTTERLY FAKE & UNTRUE !! SEE ALL PROOF IN ATTACHMENTS

 - ATTACHED FIND COPIES OF THE PUPPY IN QUESTIONS: * ELECTRONIC AKC LITTER RECEIPT, *SIRE'S AKC CERTIFICATION, * MOTHER'S AKC CERTIFICATE, * GRANDSIRE'S AKC CERTIFICATE, *PHOTOS OF BOTH PUPPY AND HIS *GRANDSIRE. BOTH SIRE & GRANDSIRE HAVE BEEN AKC DNA TESTED SO NO QUESTION ABOUT THESE BEING THE CORRECT PARENTS.

I ALSO ATTACHED EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WHERE YOU CAN SEE WE INVITED THIS PERSON TO COME PICK THEIR PUPPY UP IN PERSON & MEET THE PARENTS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS! WE GAVE THEM OUR VET AS A REFERENCE. OUR VET IS A LICENCED USDA ACCREDITED SPECIALTY VET! ONE CALL TO THE USDA GOVERNMENT OFFICE VERIFIES THAT!

THIS REPORT WAS MADE AFTER THIS EVIDENCE WAS GIVEN TO THE POSTER! THAT BEING SAID THIS WHOLE COMPLAINT IS PHONY! PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE SAVED ALL ORIGINAL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE IN THIS SITUATION AS EVIDENCE THAT US CHAMPBULLDOGS TREATED POSTER/PUPPY BUYER Brianna Baker VERY KIND / RESPECTFUL & MET ALL OF HER DEMANDS BEFORE THIS WAS POSTED :( PLEASE STOP & LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENTS!

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#9 Author of original report

all I can say is do your research

AUTHOR: happychoices - ()

This breeder might sell good dogs or they might not, I did my research and from what I was told in and around the Bulldog world they're known for very bad practices and are not BREEDERS! I specifically asked if I were to travel to pick up the puppy if I would be able to visit with the dam and sire. Caroline said sh wasn't sure that would be possible and that she could only meet me at the airport. The AKC had no knowledge of the registration numbers for either the sire or dam and even more oddly the litter or puppies. Not Champ bulldogs or Shrinkabulls is a registered bulldog breeder or kennel and they'll tell you all the excuses in the world as to why.

Call the Bulldog Club of America and speak with anybody there and then call the AKC and do the same, I did and it was eye opening to say the least. If you look at reviews for other considered breeders you'll find what you're looking for, then try to find even one review for Shrinkabulls or Champ Bulldogs and you'll never be able to. I asked Caroline for cell phone photos, videos, anything current and it seemed like she just never would respond or answer my questions. Either way as I said this is just my experience, I should have done my research prior to leaving a deposit on the dog but didn't and learned my lesson.

If I were asked about Champ Bulldogs my only response would be as I was told "STAY AWAY"

 

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#10 REBUTTAL Owner of company

FALSE COMPLAINT!! READ PROOF BELOW COMPLAINT

AUTHOR: champ bulldogs - ()

THIS COMPLAINT IS COMPLETELY & UTTERLY FALSE!

CHAMP BULLDOGS SENT THIS LADY PROOF OF AKC REG ON JULY 9TH 2013, BEFORE THIS WAS POSTED. DOCUMENTS SENT: ELECTRONIC COPY OF AKC LITTER RECEIPT, BOTH SIRE & DAM'S AKC REGISTRATION SLIPS,  & THE PUPPY SHE WAS TO PURCHASER'S ACTUAL AKC NUMBER! MY FAMILY OWNS NOT ONLY THE PUPPY AND THE PARENTS BUT ALSO BOTH GRANDPARENTS ON THE MOTHERS SIDE. THE GRAND FATHER IS BOSS AKA DEACON WHO'S FACE IS FAMOUS. HE HAS REPRESENTED THE BULLDOG BREED ON THE FACE OF GOOGLE FOR MANY YEARS. HE WAS THE ONE WE LOST OF OLD AGE RELATED ISSUES WHEN THIS LITTER WAS ABOUT 7 WEEKS OLD. THE SIRE IS "Realstud Captain Henry Hudson"! HE IS THE BEST QUALITY - BOTH HIS SIRE & GRANDSIRE ARE WORLD & ENG CHAMPIONS. THE HARDEST TITLES FOR A BULLDOG TO EARN. THESE TITLES PUT OUR LITTLE AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIPS TO SHAME. POINT BEING THIS PUPPY WAS BRED VERY VERY WELL & NEVER FCI REGISTERED! FCI IS THE WORLD REGISTRATION FOR SHOWING INT OR AT WORLD SHOWS. WE NEVER HAD ANY NEED TO REG THIS PUPPY WITH FCI AS HE WAS GOING TO A PET HOME. ADDITIONALLY WE DID SEND THIS LADY VIDEOS & MANY MANY PHOTOS OF THIS PUPPY FROM BIRTH ON! IT IS WRONG & VERY UNETHICAL OF ANY MEMBER OF THE BCA TO BLUNTLY LIE TO SOMEONE! TELLING THEM OUR PUPPIES ARE NOT AKC REG & RAISED BY US BUT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY!! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY ORGANIZATION WITH A REPUTATION COULD OPERATE IN A WAY TO DECEIVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, THAT GOES AGAINST THE BCA CODE OF ETHICS! I'M HOPING THEY HAVE US CONFUSED WITH ANOTHER BREEDER! AGAIN I HAVE ALL THE PROOF OF THIS & I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH ANY & EVERYONE, PLEASE EMAIL ME! CHAMPBULLDOGS.COM

BELOW I AM LISTING THE ACTUAL PUPPY IN QUESTIONS AKC REGISTRATION NUMBER & BOTH OF ITS PARENTS REGISTRATION NUMBERS. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP ANYONE READING THIS DRAW THE FACTUAL CONCLUSION THAT THIS WHOLE COMPLAINT IS PHONY :( THE AKC LITTER APPLICATION WAS SENT TO THE POSTER ON JULY 9TH 2013. SO THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS PERSON TO POST THIS COMPLAINT ON JULY 21 2013 A GOOD TIME AFTER THE PROOF (ELECTRONIC COPY OF AKC LITTER RECEIPT) WAS SENT TO THIS PERSON.

WHITE BULLDOG PUPPY AKC #: NP346253/01

SIRE AKC NAME & AKC NUMBER: Realstud Captain Henry Hudson , NP23931501

SIRE AKC NAME & AKC NUMBER: Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend , NP26504902

GRANDSIRE AKC NAME & NUMBER: "BOSS" NP12661101

 

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