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Complaint Review: Chatarras Del Duero S. L. - Barcelona Nationwide

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  • Reported By: GTA LLC — Berwyn Illinois
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  • Chatarras Del Duero S. L. Calle Mataro 57-63 Poligono Industrial Les grasses Nationwide Spain

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GTA / Superior Marine Recovery were approached by Mari Carmen Clemente (CEO of Chatarras Del Duero) to Purchase Scrap Metal in bulk metal via her agent Ruben Crego Fernandez.  They purpoted to have capacity to purchase 30,000 MT of Steel Scrap grade HMS 1&2 for a price of $340/MT delivered to main port in Turkey.

What follows is the sequence of events that any other seller of material dealing with Mari Carmen Clemente should be aware and advised:

1. December 10th a contract was drafted by our attorney and sent to Chartarras for review and amendment.

2. December 16th, without offering any contract amendments, they sent a letter demanding to have the price reduced to $330/MT and wanted to be show past client Bills of Landing and SGS reports.     This is illegal based on past client non disclosures.

3.  December 28th, a letter was sent to Chatarras Del Duero addressing each point in their letter and asked for a banking point person to help address mechanics of showing the sellers proof of product bank to bank to the buyer.  This letter has yet to be responded to.

4. January 9th, 2014, Ruben Crego Fernandez makes another demand for past seller files and ends negotiations without being provided said documents.

This posting is to warn any potential sellers of scrap metal to beware when dealing with Ms. Mari Carmen Clemente of Chatarras Del Duero that they negotiate in bad faith and are time wasters.  They have caused our firm a real loss in terms of contract preparation cost.    The fact the contract was not offered any amendments demonstrates their disregard for civilized professional business.   Their agen Ruben Crego Feranandez is to be avoided too. 

 

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#6 Author of original report

Out of Business Chatarras Del Duero S. L. Mari Carmen Clemente CEO

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POSTED: Saturday, December 31, 2016

 This company is not longer in business, which we find great satisfaction.    We are happy to still be engaged in the Scrap business.  Please got to asset-exports-from-us.com for help in securing scrap metal.

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POSTED: Saturday, October 01, 2016

It appears company has gone out of business.  A proper result given the situation and behavior.

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AUTHOR: GTA LLC - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Nothing more to add, we have made our points for the record, and our letter is an open matter for Chatarras to answere or not.   We are reviewing how to best prevent a reoccurence of this situation internally. 

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AUTHOR: Rubén Crego Fernández - ()

POSTED: Monday, January 13, 2014

Oh dear with my poor english I can see what kind of man you are, sure everybody who read your post will do.

Of Course I answered your letter of december 28th, How do you know that we reject to deal with you? Cause I sent via Mr Roger Leon an email saying that we considered extingued the deal on 9th january, it´s written in your first report don´t you remember? Remember Mr Roger recriminate your attitude and your manners too, as Mr Walter did.

Of course we wanted to talk with the seller, the buyer was ready to talk during all the process to solve all the differences and nobody but Mr Roger wanted to talk with her till now from seller side. in fact if you were not so concentrated on goofing, you would see that you are the main problem on that deal.

Your words goes with the wind and what it really have relevance are the written words, and there dear, is where you totally fail.

During a week all my proposals were accepted, price, term of payment, visit to the yard before payment... everything, but at last in your expensive contract ( moment to laugh ) there´s nothing as accorded, the company showed to us as seller is just not the seller but the mandate, and there´s no register number of the new seller and no id number of the CEO... only after our nonconformity expressed on our letter of december 16th, we receive a letter 12 days after with the unique proposit of take contact with our bank. This is your professional way of make business. You claim for respect? you have more respect than you deserve from our side.

About the facturation of the companie, as always you are wrong and of course the Spanish government don´t report this kind of information.

To conclude, in Spain we have freedom of speach too and even more, we have education and good manners, both things you´ve never seen, but you should diferentiate freedom of speech with difamation what its really what you´re doing, so don´t think that you can say what can or what cannot do.

I´m sure you will insist on posting again, cause is evident you are one of these guys who always says the last word, but i need to look for a real and professional seller for the company I work, so probably these are the last words I write to you, it was beauty while it last, but I must leave you.

ADIOS MAJETE (search the translation in the google translator cause I´m sure your spanish is worse than my english)

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Where is the buyers response?

AUTHOR: GTA LLC - ()

POSTED: Saturday, January 11, 2014

It is clear from your response that are doing some back peddling now:

1.  Why is is the buyer hiding and not responding to our letter dated the 28th of December?  Ruben you have no standing in this transaction.

 

2.  Mr. Roger Leon confirmed with you that 330/MT was not possible but that we could do 340/MT and you said it was ok to issue the contract at this price.   If you had said 340/MT was not possible we would have dropped the matter at that point.     Obvisouly you were keen to find out who the seller was.  This is the biggest act of misrepresentation you have made.

 

3.  The buyer has still not responded to our letter asking for a banking contact.  But then I have since found out from Roger Leon that you bank is not Santander as represented but BVV.   This is not a Top 20 bank and we would have declined the deal at this point.   This is the second mis representation.

 

4.  We provided the DUNNS # for PUS, this is the number issued by Dunn and Bradstreet wich verifies the company and reports their credit.  The buyer can pull this info at any time.  So I can not see you point that the company is not verified.

 

5.  We made it clear we had live SGS reports ready to provide bank to bank...but you insisted on past perfomance from other buyers that is clearly illegal for the seller to provide without violating non disclosure laws in the USA.

 

6.  After conducting our DD on Chatarras, we discovered that the Spanish goverment reports their yearly sales to 6 to 10 Million, which gave us pause how such a company can purchase 10 million USD a month of steel for 12 months. 

 

7.  Furthermore you threats of legal action are baseless, we have a thing in the USA called freedom of speach and have documentaton to back all that is written her.  Feel free to take whatever action you can.....in fact it is the seller who should be suing Chartarras for legal cost to prepare a contact on false pre-tense.

 

Given you poor english and understanding USA business law you likely should refrain from further commentary.

 

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AUTHOR: Rubén Crego Fernández - ()

POSTED: Saturday, January 11, 2014

My name is Rubén Crego Fernández. I´ve been mentioned as time waster by Mr Don Driesden from assets-exports-from-us.com.

I want to advice that publicate the name of the company and mine could represent a violation of data protection and the company could take legal actions

So we request to whom may concern to eliminate this false information.

In other to describe what really happens on that deal, I will explain our point of view:

1- Mr Don Driessden make me an offer through other agent of HMS1-2 in Romania.

2- We explained clearly our target price were 330$, during one week by skype they assured me they would reach at this price. So I sent LOI on december 4th  with this target price, the day before receive the draft contract, prices rises to 340$ by surprise, although I indicate them to continue with the deal

3- We requested clearly we wanted actualliced photographs with daily newspaper and past record of the seller. They sent air photograhs taken form Google earth of Constanza´s port. We never received photos requested, nor any evidence of the existance of the material.

4- We accorded as payment term an escrow account but on contract we were requested to pay by MT103 to the seller attorney. They explained they delay one week to send us the contract cause they tried hard to get the price accorded but it was not possible and because the attorney prepare an specific contract and we have an standard contract of 12 pages looks taken from the web that not adjust on price neither payment terms to our demands.

5- We were informed on the begining that the seller were SMR and the LOI were sent to this company as end seller, but the contract came from a company called Powered Up Services. they appeared as end seller in the draft contract but no register number of the company nor id number of the CEO were provided to us in the contract sent.

6- They tried to make us pay before inspect the material, of course it was the first new about that, cause our position were to make the visit before the payment.

7- We sent a corporative letter expressing the terms to solve in the contract and our negative to go on with the deal if we don´t have any evidence of the existance of the product and the company who we were dealing with, They asked with another letter, they didn´t answered to any of our request properly and tried to impose their way again proposing a contact bank to bank..... before of getting any agreement by contract and although they don´t satisfy any of our ammendants till then... so our decission of forget the deal I think it is more than justified.

8- On january 9th I send a mail indicating we consider extingued the deal, but not requesting anything this is the last incorrection of Mr Don Driessden

The buyer were opened to talk with everybody who wanted to deal with her, but we never talked with the seller nor the seller attorney, Don driessden were very bad mannered from the first meeting till the point to be recriminated about his vocabulary for me and people from seller side present in the meetings.

We are a honest company and honest agent who works hard since many years, with customers in four continents and of course, all I express here in this post is suitable to be proven with documents.

Require again to whom may concern to eliminate that, before we´ve been obligated to take legal actions.

Regards

 

 

 

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