• Report: #221767
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Cloud Nine Professiona Business Services

  • Submitted: Wed, November 22, 2006
  • Updated: Sat, June 09, 2012

  • Reported By:Studio City California
Cloud Nine Professiona Business Services
7341 West Charleston, Las Vegas, Nv 98117 Las Vegas, Nevada U.S.A.

Cloud Nine Professiona Business Services Huge Fraud, no services at all, good bye cash Las Vegas Nevada

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Beware Con Artists Rob & Kathleen Raskin

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Phhhht

*Consumer Suggestion: Solution

*UPDATE Employee: cloud nine, bdi, kjr, usaseo pros, soldin21days, fsn, etc....

*UPDATE Employee: Information Erroneously Reported

*Consumer Comment: New Address

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Don't let them get away with this fraud...

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In April 06 I was phoned out of the blue by a sales rep, high pressure tactics coincided with my first foray into building an internet business and $6000 later I thought I was on my way to volumes of targeted traffic. They said that 18 to 22 million peole were using their services so I could easily calcuate a solid traffic volume from this base. After three months and little traffic, and that which was was very suspicious as it didn't lead to any one. After a lot of complaints to them, by phone, they won't commit to anything by mail or email, I agreed to an upgrade to a full page spread when my ads opened. When this did not appear I was told they had a policy change and couldn't do it. They flat out refused to return the $600 I paid for this. Now I'm off to the FBI with this, it turns out that they don't have any customer base at all and there are many many complaints about these guys. Good luck every body, I'd love to hear a way to get my money back, I went deep in debt after a year of chemo to these people.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Beware Con Artists Rob & Kathleen Raskin

AUTHOR: Platinum Las Vegas - (USA)

FRAUD ALERT – SCAM ALERT - BEWARE of the following list of companys. DO NOT give your bank account or credit card information to these CROOKS. LIARS. THIEVES. SCAM. FRAUD.

Robert Marc Raskin aka Rob Raskin          Kathleen Joann Raskin aka  Kathey Raskin

1620 Songlight Ct Las Vegas, NV 89117

 WMS  Website Management Systems formerly KJR Management 

7241 W. Charleston Blvd Las Vegas, NV 89117

Protect Your Personal Assets LLC   

Create Business Credit LLC 

Online Client Services LLC

Sites Worldwide LLC

SEO Worldwide LLC


KJR Management LLC 

Business Development Institute LLC

Advanced Site Pros LLC

Advanced Website Pros LLC

Find Your Search LLC

Website Management Systems LLC

Business Website Developers LLC

Business Site Developers LLC

Quality Website Professionals LLC

Top Of The First Page LLC

Dynamic Web Products LLC







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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds


AUTHOR: VegasTruth - (United States of America)

Rob and Kathey Raskin own/owned all of the aforementioned businesses, so yes, they ARE the same.
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AUTHOR: Robert T. Scoviak - (U.S.A.)

First have you're seo company send you regular mail information about there company, along with a return billing address. Second if they refuse to take cash, check, money order and push for online payment pass them up. To the legit SEO companies, send people real billing and paper invoices, most businesses need this for tax write-off's at the end of the year. Another thing don't threaten fraud charges for work you never intended to do in the first place, if you truly feel you are owed the money send it to a collection agency. If they do not dispute the bill in writing, let the collection agency do there job. (9 out of 10 won't dispute) The ones that care about there credit will eventually pay there bill's! Last if you say you are going to do something, even if you only change one page title, add one key phrase or word, or just add any content to a page make sure you do what you say, that way you have proof of a modification and people are more willing to pay for less than what they thought they were getting. It would beat getting absolutely nothing for the outrages price you push from people. Also a are you sure you want to do this or comfirmation page (other than just thank you for you're payment upon PayPal login would be a nice touch. With that said, if it look's to good to be true it probly is!!! Kathleen and Robert Raskin own USASEOPROS.com and various other scam sight's.

More on "Robert Marc Raskin" below from (this is not an attepmt to take credit for www.dol.gov website, just passing information along) weblink: http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/pr042704.html

Release Date: 04/27/2004
Release Number: 44 (04-708-SAN)
Contact Name: Tino Serrano
Phone Number: 415.975.4742
U.S. Labor Department Settlements Restore 401(k) Plan Assets For Former Quality Home Foods Employees - $11,500 Owed To 27 Former Employees of Las Vegas Company
San Francisco, California - The U.S. Department of Labor has obtained consent judgments in both the U.S. Bankruptcy Court and the U.S. District Court in Nevada to restore $11,500 owed to the 401(k) profit sharing plan of 27 former employees of Las Vegas-based Quality Home Foods Inc. Quality Home Foods is a defunct business that provided home delivery of meats, produce and other foods.
When Robert Marc Raskin, former owner and president of Quality Home Foods Inc. filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection in January 2003, the U.S. Labor Department filed a complaint in the bankruptcy court. The department alleged that Raskin's debt to the company's 401(k) plan, while acting as a fiduciary of the plan, involved misappropriation of the pension funds and could not be discharged by the bankruptcy.
A second complaint filed in April 2004 in U.S. District Court alleges that Raskin did not act in the best interests of the plan when he failed to forward to the plan employee contributions, participant loan repayments and employer matching contributions.
The judgment in bankruptcy court was approved on April 9, 2004, and the district court judgment was approved on April 19, 2004. Under the judgments, Raskin must repay $11,500 to the 401(k) plan, forfeit his own account balance in the plan and accept a court-appointed independent fiduciary to administer the plan. Raskin also permanently barred from acting as a fiduciary of an employee benefit plan.
"This sends a strong message to those responsible for employee benefit plans that they cannot misuse their employees' funds or have their personal debts forgiven at the expense of the employees," said Bette Briggs, regional director of the Labor Department's Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA) in San Francisco, which investigated the case.
In fiscal year 2003, EBSA achieved record monetary results of $1.4 billion related to the pension, 401(k), health and other benefits of millions of American worker and their families. Employers and workers with questions or concerns regarding their private-sector pension and health plans can contact the EBSA regional office in San Francisco at 415.975.4600 or EBSA's toll free number, 1.866.444.EBSA (3272). Information is also available from the agency's web site at www.dol.gov/ebsa.
(Chao v. Raskin)
Civil Action No. BK-S-03-10488 RCJ (Bankruptcy Court)
Civil Action No. CV-S-04-0444-PMP-RJJ (District Court)
U.S. Labor Department news releases are accessible on the Internet at www.dol.gov. The information in this news release will be made available in alternate format upon request (large print, Braille, audio tape or disc) from the COAST office. Please specify which news release when placing your request at 202.693.7765 or TTY 202.693.7755. The U.S. Department of Labor is committed to providing America's employers and employees with easy access to understandable information on how to comply with its laws and regulations. For more information, please visit www.dol.gov/compliance.

It appears Robert M. Raskin has been looking for loopholes to scam for quite sometime. If they say they want to do voise recording hangup, or ask them to send you a written contract you can look see hold in your hand to take time to think about and sign, then send back with a check or money order. If they say they don't do it that way find a different SEO that will.
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#4 UPDATE Employee

cloud nine, bdi, kjr, usaseo pros, soldin21days, fsn, etc....

AUTHOR: Gotscrewed - (U.S.A.)

To the last rebuttle about these companies not being the same..... ALL these companies are owned by the same person and ran out of the same office.1091 S. Cimarron rd Las Vegas NV, 89145. Cloud nine still has a valid business license. They are all scams and ran by the same person who is hiding under his wifes name. Contact Clark County DA if you have been taken from these companies. They would like to hear from you. The names you need are Robert M Raskin and Kathleen J Raskin(KJR Management). He has already went bankrupt and thus is why he is using his new wifes name. He cannot own a company. At his last company, Quality Home Foods, he stole money from his employees 401K and cannot manage any employee money due to this. This is all public info if you look hard enough. They will download spyware on your pc so dont fall for these scams!!!!!!!Beware!
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Information Erroneously Reported

AUTHOR: Internetseer - (U.S.A.)

The information provided is untrue. Erroneous and outright lies. USA SEO Pros is not Cloud Nine. That business was closed a very long time ago and not owned operated or maintained in any way shape or form with USA SEO Pros at this time or any other time.

One of the posts by 'triple' is from a former employee who was let go due to negligence. And was unable to perform even the simplest of tasks, and has had a grudge against USA SEO Pros for over a year.

I am proud to work for this company and am happy to help bring up the standards of perfection we strive for continuously.

If anyone feels wrongs by Cloud Nine, I feel for them, but BDI & USA SEO Pros are not Cloud Nine and never have been. We are a search engine optimization and marketing organization. And are very good at our jobs, dedicated and appreciative of our client base.
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#6 Consumer Comment

New Address

AUTHOR: Don - (U.S.A.)

Looks like they may have moved from
7341 West Charleston Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89117
Toll Free: 877.388.8481 Fax: 702.804.5680
to a new location at
1091 S. Cimmaron
Suite A4
Las Vegas, NV 89145
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Don't let them get away with this fraud...

AUTHOR: Triple - (U.S.A.)

I suggest anyone contacted by this company to report them to the FBI, they have been ripping off people in the USA and Canada.

The IFrame technology is nothing more than a piece of keylogging spyware that they instruct the potential victim to download and install on their computer and once that is done it sits and 'listens' for the keywords typed and then redirects the victims browser to a scripted page that inserts their website into an 'I-Frame' as in HTML .

They also try to sell SEO here http://www.usaseopros.com as well as http://usasubpros.com.

Be on gaurd because every few months they change their business name, as far as I know they also go KJR Management. Slimy scumbags beware!
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