• Report: #53378
Complaint Review:

Montres Allison Deboy Watches Terry Allison

  • Submitted: Thu, April 17, 2003
  • Updated: Tue, August 19, 2003

  • Reported By:black hawk Colorado
Montres Allison Deboy Watches Terry Allison
1548 Karlann Dr Golden, Colorado U.S.A.

Montres Allison Terry Allison Montres Allison Deboy Watches Terry Allison scam fraud ripoff con-artists Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches making false claims, ripoff Golden Colorado

*Consumer Comment: allisonreplicas.com (COULD MINE BE A FAKE?)LMAO!

*Consumer Suggestion: I wonder if you guys make these kinds of claims

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: SCREW YOU?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: jim kenney a fool is just a fool

*Consumer Comment: A MISSING LINK NO MORE!

*Consumer Comment: The MA history has changed again!

*Consumer Comment: Jim, I think it's obvious

*Consumer Comment: WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

*Consumer Comment: WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

*Consumer Comment: WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

*Consumer Comment: WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

*Consumer Comment: Mr. Kennedy

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: jim kenney is the rip off artist

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: jim kenney is the rip off artist

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: jim kenney is the rip off artist

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: jim kenney is the rip off artist

*Consumer Comment: Jim in fact

*Consumer Comment: GO AHEAD, JIM. SUE THEM. ...Hundreds of buyers at Ebay are being fooled

*Consumer Comment: Hey Paul, CAN'T YOU READ?

*Consumer Comment: Thanks Steve...........

*Consumer Comment: Jim... Here are your auctions...

*Consumer Comment: My personal comments...

*Consumer Comment: Actually Larry

*Consumer Comment: WATCH COLLECTOR BLUES ..QUIT PLAYING THESE LITTLE BABY GAMES WITH THE CONSUMERS!

*Consumer Comment: Being a watch collector I know that if you take.....

*Consumer Comment: LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

*Consumer Comment: LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

*Consumer Comment: LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

*Consumer Comment: LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

*Consumer Suggestion: Please try this before you move forward with your postings

*Consumer Comment: MONTRES ALLISON RIPOFF PHOTOS

*Consumer Comment: montres allison

*Consumer Comment: I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

*Consumer Comment: I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

*Consumer Comment: I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Morgan .... Did you ever take the lie detector test????

*Consumer Comment: Montres Allison is the fishiest among the fishy!

*Consumer Comment: Montres Allison is a fraud

*Consumer Suggestion: Montres Allison Quality

*Consumer Comment: Hey Morgan..... Why don't you just take the test?

*Author of original report: Terry posting under different names again?

*Consumer Suggestion: this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

*Consumer Suggestion: this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

*Consumer Suggestion: this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

*Consumer Suggestion: this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

*Consumer Comment: Look here to tell that Morgan is lying.....

*Consumer Comment: Montres Allison's are great watches

*Author of original report: Readers, be aware Terry posts messages all over the web in different names.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: this is america the land of the free and hot apple pie

*Consumer Comment: I have done some research and here are some links.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Here is a link to the JCK Las Vegas show...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Useful links...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Here is a challenge to stop this nonsense...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Response to Mr. Scott Morgan

*Consumer Comment: What Swiss Made means..

*Consumer Comment: more info on montresallison's website.......

*Consumer Comment: I don't get it....... It seems like you're up to no good.

*Consumer Comment: My Fabulous Allison Watch

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: remember scott morgan is sleeping with terrys exwife

*Author of original report: Montres Allison now hiding behind TimeBeat.com

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT DOESNT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHES

*Author of original report: Terry Allison past cons

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This is the MA Tourbillon II which MA claims is they're exclusive movement which they spent thousands of dollars to develop.

Montres Allison is a small watch company comprised of Terry Allison and Linda Allison. The mother and son team run Montres Allison from Linda Allison's house, which Terry has named Ensvizzengarten in an attempt to sound Swiss. Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches, which they claim are authorized dealers. The biggest one is Deboy Watches. Deboy watches is also run out of Linda Allison's house by her. The reason for Deboy Watches and the other names they use is to give the appearance that they are well established and well known everywhere. Terry and Linda both use aliases when dealing with people. Terry uses: Walt, Jim, Bob, and probably many others. Linda uses: Elsie. If you have received an email from Montres Allison or Deboy Watches with these names, it was really Terry or Linda, because these people don't exist. They hide behind aliases so they can lie to people and not be held accountable as well as giving the appearance Montres Allison is a large company. Terry runs several watch-related chat forums, posting messages under fake names so he can praise his watches and again lend the appearance that many watch aficionados really love his junk watches. Some of Terry's alleged aliases for chat rooms or bulletin boards: Ian, John the generator, Watchmaniac, Mike Pisano, and on and on. There are too many to keep track of or know about.


The watches they sell are assembled in Hong Kong with China movements. They claim the watches are assembled in the US. MA claims the newer models have Swiss ETA movements, which has not been independently verified. These newer models with alleged ETAs in them are priced cheaper than all of the first MA models that were built with China movements. This makes it obvious that everyone who bought the cheaper models were totally ripped-off. They have several models which they pay as little as $35.00 dollars for and then claim it sells at retail from $1,500.00 up to $20,000 dollars. They sell them on ebay in no reserve auctions, claiming it to be a name building promotion. This promo has run for over 3 years! Even after MA claimed this promotion would end on April 31, 2003, most MA watches are still sold in no reserve auctions. Also note that Terry or MA claim there are many counterfeit MA watches out there. How can they be counterfeit if they come from the same company that supplies MA their watches? I sincerely doubt the company sells MA a great movement and sells everyone else a duplicate piece of crap.

One of Montres Allison's so called authorized dealers is TimeBeat. Terry and TimeBeat have many ties, which go back to the beginning of both Montres Allison and TimeBeat. The only seller of MA's first two watches the Jour et Nuit and the Slaathaug is Timebeat. This is because Timebeat paid for these first two watches and now they have the right to sell them. MA doesn't even sell them! TimeBeat has a large ebay and web presence and helps MA look legitimate. TimeBeat knows the cost of these watches, so they are equally responsible for perpetuating this scam.

All these auctions on ebay are in private and the feedback is also private, making it very difficult to warn or contact other ebay bidders or winners. As far as the positive feed- back is concerned on ebay, the only requirement for a good feedback is prompt shipment to the winner. Anyone familiar with buying on ebay knows that as long as the item is shipped for free, quickly, and in tact the buyer will usually leave a positive feedback. But since these people cannot be contacted and told they just bought a 35 dollar watch thinking it is worth several thousand, they won't be leaving negative feedback.
When a customer asks about all the bad press on the internet about Montres Allison, Terry conveniently claims everyone who has negative statements are simply disgruntled people from the past who are trying to make trouble for him. This is a ridiculous assertion, the truth is there are many people who know these watches are a scam and are trying to help inform others.

Montres Allison successfully fooled hundreds if not thousands of people making thousands of dollars. They have enough ill gotten money to buy advertising in an attempt to look legitimate. They frequently refer people to magazines in which they have placed ads. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter what publication they are in, it is simply paid advertising. Anyone with the money can get into these same magazines.

If you want to see one of Terry Allison's past cons check these links out. Paste or type these web addresses into your Internet browser.

This link is a on a Denver TV news web site regarding Amerideck/Deck stars, another company Terry used to con people before Montres Allison.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/den/call7forhelp/stories/call7forhelp-101681020011015-171044.html

This link is for Denver BBB, a report on Amerideck.

http://www.denver.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=9031485

This is yet another news organization in Denver responding to Terry's Amerideck. Look down the pg for: Ann, from Colorado.

http://www.troubleshooter.com/data/dumparchive
/tom_comments08_01.htm


If you bought any MA watch take it to be appraised and learn for yourself. Than contact us and help do something about it. These models in particular are definitely China movements. Several of the new models which haven't been released yet are also verified China movements.

1. Jour et Nuit
2. Slaathaug master calendiere
3. Jitana
4. Master Calendar now named Master Calendar/Etalon Master because Franck Muller lawyers sent a threatening letter to MA
5. Couer De Temps
6. Etalon
7. Reserve De Marche
8. Tourbillon
9. Ciclone
10. Energie
11. Uragano
12. Tourbo Billion
13. Tempeste
14. Evolution


This is the web site of Million Smart a company in Hong Kong which is the supplier of all MA watches. MA calls this the Montres Allison Tourbillon which is alleged to retail for 10,000 to over 100,000 dollars. This watch is made in China for Million Smart and is not an exclusive MA watch design nor an imitation but they want you to think they had this watch designed for them at a cost of thousands.

Scott
black hawk, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

allisonreplicas.com (COULD MINE BE A FAKE?)LMAO!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?
allisonreplicas.com

THERE IS ACTUALLY A SITE THAT SELLS THE EXACT WATCH I BOUGHT FROM MONTRES ALLISON! THEY SELL THEM FOR $160.00! NOT THE $750.00 THAT I PAID!

http://www.allisonreplicas.com/

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

OF COURSE YOU DON'T GET THE SHOE BOX FULL OF MA CRAP BUT YOU WILL RECEIVE THE EXACT SAME WATCH AS I DID.

GEE,IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS,I COULD HAVE SAVED MYSELF $600.00 AND A LOT OF GRIEF!

MAYBE THEY SENT ME THE WRONG WATCH,MAYBE WHEN I ORDERED MINE THEY GRABBED ONE OUT OF THE ALLISON REPLICA PILE,NOT THE MONTRES ALLISON PILE(LOL).

COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THAT THIS SITE WAS CREATED BY ALLISON TO UNLOAD ALL THE EARLY JITANA'S LIKE MINE THAT FEATURE THE LOW-GRADE CHINESE MOVEMENT,PARTS AND ASSEMBLY.
THE ONLY WATCH THIS SITE OFFERS IS THE JITANA!

WHAT ABOUT IT ALLISON?

NOBODY ELSE WOULD ACTUALLY EVEN CONSIDER MAKING AN ALLISON REPLICA.

MONTRES ALLISON'S ARE NOT A COLLECTABLE,THEY HAVE NO RE-SALE VALUE,THE WATCH COMMUNITY DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THEM AS ANYTHING MORE THAN A LOW GRADE WATCH AND COMPARING THEM WITH ANYTHING BETTER THAN A TIMEX WOULD BE LUDICROUS!

IF I WANTED A CHEAP REPLICA I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST GOTTEN ONE WITH A WELL KNOWN WATCH COMPANIES NAME ON IT!

IT'S ALL ABOUT MARKETING PLOY$,ADVERTISING STRATIGIE$,PUBLIC DECEPTION$ AND THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR BILL$.

PLEASE VISIT THESE SITES FOR MORE INFO ON ALLISON WATCHES.

http://www.millionsmart.com/en/companyProfile6387.htm

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1002902624
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

I wonder if you guys make these kinds of claims

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

about Rolex replicas, TAG Heuer replicas, Breitling replicas, Cartier replicas, etc.

Some of these watches look exactly like the real thing. Why aren't you speculating about Rolex being produced by companies in Asia?

The fakes look identical to the real things. All high end companies have replicas and knock offs being produced in the far east. So what? You are on an obvious mission to discredit a very good company by acting like somebody else produces their watches. You're obviously not being truthful.
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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

SCREW YOU?

AUTHOR: JACK - (U.S.A.)

HERE ARE PRICES OF WHOLE PRICES MADE MY WATCH COMPINES, LEARN JIM BEFORE SPEAKING


MOVEMENT 2671 WHOLESALE 135.00 CARTIER 1500.00
CRONO 7751 WHOLESALE 250.00 ROLEX 3000.00
ETA WHOLE SALE 85.00 RAYMOND WEIL 500.00 BY THE WAY THE SAME MOVEMENT IS USED IN MONTRES ALLISON WATCHES.

BEFORE PEOPLE SPEAK AND WRITE ON THIS RIP OFF REPORT, THINK TWICE BEFORE WRITING DO YOUR HOME WORK, SO MANY PEOPLE PURCHASE THE ROLEX NOT FOR THE WORKS BUT FOR THE STATUS SAME AS RAYMOND WEIL , OR FRANK MULLER, ALL THERE WATCHES ARE MADE IN THE SAME PLACE HONG KONG AND MAINLAND CHINA, THEN SHIPPED TO SWISS FACTORYS TO ASSEMBLE THE WATCH, SO IF YOU PURCHASE A ROLEX FOR 25,000 THE REAL WORTH IS 1500.00 THE GOLD MODEL USES 1.7 OZ OF GOLD AT TODAYS PRICE FIGURE A TOTAL OF 750.00 DOLLARS WORTH OF GOLD AND THE WATCH SELLS FOR 35,000 THOUSAND WHY STATUS, THE MONTRES ALLISON PROVIDES GREAT STYLING AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE, SO THIS IS THE FACTS PROVE ME WRONG OK JIM, BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE A REAL WATCH BUFF, NO ONE CLEANS INSIDE OF A AUTO MATIC WATCH, BECAUSE THE OILS ARE THERE TO LUBECATE THE WATCH SO THE WATCH PIECES WONT HEAT UP, MUCH LIKE A CAR ENEGIN WHICH NEEDS OIL, SO DO YOUR HOME WORK AND DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY, AND DONT LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE POST, YOU HAVE TO DO . YOUR OWN HOME WORK,
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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

jim kenney a fool is just a fool

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

a person who carries on, just like you is just a fool, a person who does not read is just a fool, and person who tries to tear down a watch company is just a fool, because here are the facts a rolex 25,000 watch cost no more to make then an augeste reymond both use the same movements, the cotton club and the president both use the same movments one sells for 25,000 the other 2500 the carter tank sells for 4500.00 the same movement and braclet on the augeste reymond cost 600.00 why, the answer you pay for the name a rolex is no better then an augeste reymond or a raymond weil, who movements costs 135.00 and the watch sells for 2500.00 why? if you cannot answer please dont post, next a montres allison uses eta movements a swiss movement, no better or worse then any other watch, which by the way rolex uses eta movements. again you pay for the name, next. if your jeweler can purchase you a montres allison movemnt for 35 dollars . show me, if he can sell you a montres allison watch for 35 sell me 2000 pieces, because i will buy it from him. just like a said a fool is just a fool, and A ROLEX IS MADE 49 PERSENT IN HONG KONG 51 SWISS , AND AUGESTE REYMOND 100 PERCENT SWISS, THERE ARE ONLY TWO PURE SWISS WATCH MAKERS, ALL THE REST INPORT THERE WATCHES FROM HONG KONG, AGAIN AMERICANS LIKE ASIA MAKE CARS WHO MAKE THE BEST CARS RIGHT TOP SELLING CAR HONDA , TOYOTA, NISSAN , LEXUS, ALL MADE IN JAPAN OR CHINA, EVEN BMW PARTS ARE MADE IN CHINA AND ITS A GERMAN CAR, SO I GUESS ALL PEOPLE ARE BEING FOOL RIGHT, SO YOU BETTER SUE THE WORLD,
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#5 Consumer Comment

A MISSING LINK NO MORE!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Here's a link to THE site that WILL convince you ALL that Montres Allison watches ARE made in CHINA.

http://www.millionsmart.com/en/companyProfile6387.htm

These watches ARE IDENTICAL!

I AM CONVINCED THAT EVERYONE WHO BUYS A MONTRES ALLISON WATCH WILL RECEIVE ONE OF THESE FRANCK MULLER WANNA-BE'S!

NO WONDER EVERYONE AT MONTRES ALLISON IS ALWAYS ON THE DEFENSIVE!

TERRY ALLISON HAS GOT TO BE A DISGRACE TO THE WATCH COMMUNITY!

HOW EMBARRASSING IT MUST BE!

DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR HIM,HE DUG HIS HOLE,LET HIM LIE IN IT!

And,as for Jack of West Palm Beach,FL(hey,that's where Jack Stein's from! hmmmm.....),again I say,CAN'T YOU READ? And who said anything about breaking the guts?
Are your watches SO cheap that they will fall apart just when you take the back off?

THESE PEOPLE AT MONTRES ALLISON ARE A JOKE!

TREAT THEM AS SUCH!
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#6 Consumer Comment

The MA history has changed again!

AUTHOR: Wel - (Norway)

Yes, the so-called 'history' of Montres Allison as stated at www.montresallison.com has changed a second time within the past three months. Now several paragraphs about the watchmaker Kin Tai Yu has been added, though he has absolutely nothing to do with MA. So why has this been done? Well, solely to demonstrate something that we all know; that fine watches can be made by others than the Swiss! Has this brought credibility to MA? Of course not, rather the opposite! The whole thing is just plain pathetic! If the MA watches were of the quality of the brands Terry likes to compare them with, nothing like this would have been needed - the watches would have spoken for themselves. OK, they do so even now, but not the way Terry wants them to, therefore he has to continue building his Potemkin facade.

Moreover, I wouldn't be too surprised if the text about Mr. Kin Tai Yu has been copied from another site just as is the case with much of the rest of the 'history' and the FAQ pages (see above in an earlier posting by me). I may be able to get back here with info on that.

Anyway, here is the new addition (I'm eagerly awaiting the next version of the MA history - it may be just around the corner! :-D):

"Born in China in 1946, Kiu Tai Yu started studying the watch structure before the age of 20 and, aged 23, he realized his first mechanical watch; in 1978 he created his first escapement without pallets. In 1980 he moved to Hong Kong, where he dealt with old watches in his shop Kie & Cie.

His passion for old watches led him to write the book 'Time in Pocket' that was granted the Best Print Quality Award in Hong Kong and adopted by a Swiss watch-making school. In 1991 he started realizing movements with tourbillon devices whose components are wholly constructed by himself - from the pillar-plate to the wheelwork, a complication in which he specialized himself by exploring virtually all the possible technical solutions allowed for, included the one in which balance and balance spring are housed in the turning carriage with the escapement attached to the fixed part of the movement. Kiu Tai Yu is a full member of the AHCI since 1992.

Each watch by Kiu Tai Yu represents a trip into the Far East aesthetics. Chinese lacquerware and gold, sensual curves and ideograms recreate the formal canons of watchmaking through a cultural diaphragm which is completely different from tradition. His creations recalls the ancient shapes of the pagoda. The Tourbillon Flying models include the Mystery Tourbillon Rectangular made in pink yellow and white gold, the Mystery Flying Tourbillon No. 12 with the tourbillon carriage at 9 and time zone at 2, the Tourbillon No. 13 with flying tourbillon carriage and off-center hours. The tourbillon seems not to hold mysteries for Kin Tai Yu. We must stress that every single piece of this splendid watches, from the case to the dial to the movement itself is completely hand-made and produced in single specimens, each incredibly fascinating.

For two subsequent years Kin Tai Yu is 'neglecting' tourbillons and is devoted to watches without complications. The Joy of the Millenium in platinum made in 1999 was inspired by the 'delicate' mechanics of the Heavenly Clocks (i.e. Chinese astronomical watches used more than 1000 years ago) and characterized by the particular dial design with the large 18K gold sight balance bridge and the off-center hour display. The new Millennium created in 2000 is an automatic watch with the characteristic pagoda-shaped case in 18K yellow, white and pink gold. The hand-decorated dial design aims at harmonizing different cultures by the name written in both English and Chinese and markers alternating brilliants with 9 in Roman numerals, 21 (instead of 12 as a homage to the XXIst century) in Arabic numerals and 3 and 6 in Chinese characters. Mr. Kiu Tai Yu's creations have gained the highest monetary value.

The expertise of Mr. Kiu Tai Yu demonstrates that expert watchmakers can originate from geographic regions beyond Switzerland, and can attain the highest credentials."

Note that the last line which is the same as saying 'Look, the grass is green and the sky's blue!' The only proper answer is 'So what?!'

And Terry, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions about plagiarism. Please, show us that you are man enough to do that in a proper manner, or are you just a coward, unwilling to face the consequences of your actions?
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#7 Consumer Comment

Jim, I think it's obvious

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

That all these people with pro-Allison opinions are shills for the company. This is a well-known tactic of MA. I can't believe that a reputable company would disclose private information to the public only to have it posted on a forum. This is setting yourself up for trouble. Therefore, the comments of Phil, Paul, Max, Bob, Jack, etc must be viewed with a skeptical eye.

On that note, I have taken the liberty of forwarding the claim by "Max" to Rolex. FYI I HAVE a Rolex Oyster President and have seen the caseback removed many times (without voiding the warranty by they way). Hopefully Montres Rolex will not appreciate being compared to Montres Allison - by them or anyone - and will put their considerable muscle to good use. Stay Tuned!
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WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Please stay on the line while we find someone to YELL AT YOU!

That's exactly what happens when you call an Allison dealer and complain about the quality of their watches.
The same thing happens when you file a report here complaining of the same.

You'll get NO support,No respect,NO sympathy,and ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS!

You WILL be verbally ATTACKED,ABUSED,DEMEANED,THREATENED AND MORE!

This site holds all the truth you need to know about Montres Allison watches.

You can see by the rebuttals from the Allison people that they DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS!

If they don't care about their customers then how can they care about their watches?

HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE BE RESPECTED IN THE WATCH COMMUNITY, THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THEY DO HERE AT THIS SITE?

I have tried to contact these organizations that Montres Allison has affiliations with i.e.
American Watch Guild, AWI, BWCCA, BHI, NAWCC.
I have asked them how they can include Montres Allison when they produce such LOW GRADE WATCHES?
They have not gotten back with me as of yet.
Apparently,all it takes is a lot of MONEY to get in the good graces of these organizations!
Also,I have tried to contact International Watches 2003 with no response from them either.
This is the site I went to that basically "sealed the deal" on my decision to purchase this Jitana from Allison.
At this site you will find nothing but high end watches with write-ups and photos galore.
And in with all those fine watches you'll find Montrtes Allison!
Again,all it takes is a lot-o-money and you too can have pictures and write-ups by your own design posted there.

If you want to read more about Allison,here's an excellent link:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1002902624

I found this while researching Montres Allison on the internet.
These guys are very serious about good quality watches.
They DON'T allow any B.S.,they'll cancel your thread and kick you off their site.
You see,they are REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL THOUGHTS ON REALITY!
So please go there and see what they have to say about Terry Allison and his watches!

So,you can read this thread and choose to believe consumers like me who actually own one of these watches and have had it opened-up,seen the actual Low Grade movement and is trying to bring-it-to-the-light-of-the-public,or,believe the rantings and ravings that you read in their rebuttals.

The photos I promised in my very 1st post will be featured any time now.

I am getting WRITTEN APPRAISALS on this Montres Allison Jitana watch and will be posting them as well.

I am confident that between the photos and the appraisals everyone will clearly see the true worth of these Montres Allison watches.

In fact,I'm pretty sure the MA leather wallet will come in at about the same value as the watch!

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL TACTICS!

I POSTED AT THIS SITE TO AIR MY GFIEVANCES ABOUT THIS MONTRES ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH SO THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE INFORMED OF THE LOW QUALITY THEY WILL RECEIVE WHEN THEY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE WATCHES.

CONTROVERSY STIRS DEBATE AND THROUGH DEBATE THE TRUTH WILL ARISE.
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WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Please stay on the line while we find someone to YELL AT YOU!

That's exactly what happens when you call an Allison dealer and complain about the quality of their watches.
The same thing happens when you file a report here complaining of the same.

You'll get NO support,No respect,NO sympathy,and ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS!

You WILL be verbally ATTACKED,ABUSED,DEMEANED,THREATENED AND MORE!

This site holds all the truth you need to know about Montres Allison watches.

You can see by the rebuttals from the Allison people that they DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS!

If they don't care about their customers then how can they care about their watches?

HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE BE RESPECTED IN THE WATCH COMMUNITY, THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THEY DO HERE AT THIS SITE?

I have tried to contact these organizations that Montres Allison has affiliations with i.e.
American Watch Guild, AWI, BWCCA, BHI, NAWCC.
I have asked them how they can include Montres Allison when they produce such LOW GRADE WATCHES?
They have not gotten back with me as of yet.
Apparently,all it takes is a lot of MONEY to get in the good graces of these organizations!
Also,I have tried to contact International Watches 2003 with no response from them either.
This is the site I went to that basically "sealed the deal" on my decision to purchase this Jitana from Allison.
At this site you will find nothing but high end watches with write-ups and photos galore.
And in with all those fine watches you'll find Montrtes Allison!
Again,all it takes is a lot-o-money and you too can have pictures and write-ups by your own design posted there.

If you want to read more about Allison,here's an excellent link:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1002902624

I found this while researching Montres Allison on the internet.
These guys are very serious about good quality watches.
They DON'T allow any B.S.,they'll cancel your thread and kick you off their site.
You see,they are REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL THOUGHTS ON REALITY!
So please go there and see what they have to say about Terry Allison and his watches!

So,you can read this thread and choose to believe consumers like me who actually own one of these watches and have had it opened-up,seen the actual Low Grade movement and is trying to bring-it-to-the-light-of-the-public,or,believe the rantings and ravings that you read in their rebuttals.

The photos I promised in my very 1st post will be featured any time now.

I am getting WRITTEN APPRAISALS on this Montres Allison Jitana watch and will be posting them as well.

I am confident that between the photos and the appraisals everyone will clearly see the true worth of these Montres Allison watches.

In fact,I'm pretty sure the MA leather wallet will come in at about the same value as the watch!

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL TACTICS!

I POSTED AT THIS SITE TO AIR MY GFIEVANCES ABOUT THIS MONTRES ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH SO THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE INFORMED OF THE LOW QUALITY THEY WILL RECEIVE WHEN THEY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE WATCHES.

CONTROVERSY STIRS DEBATE AND THROUGH DEBATE THE TRUTH WILL ARISE.
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#10 Consumer Comment

WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Please stay on the line while we find someone to YELL AT YOU!

That's exactly what happens when you call an Allison dealer and complain about the quality of their watches.
The same thing happens when you file a report here complaining of the same.

You'll get NO support,No respect,NO sympathy,and ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS!

You WILL be verbally ATTACKED,ABUSED,DEMEANED,THREATENED AND MORE!

This site holds all the truth you need to know about Montres Allison watches.

You can see by the rebuttals from the Allison people that they DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS!

If they don't care about their customers then how can they care about their watches?

HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE BE RESPECTED IN THE WATCH COMMUNITY, THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THEY DO HERE AT THIS SITE?

I have tried to contact these organizations that Montres Allison has affiliations with i.e.
American Watch Guild, AWI, BWCCA, BHI, NAWCC.
I have asked them how they can include Montres Allison when they produce such LOW GRADE WATCHES?
They have not gotten back with me as of yet.
Apparently,all it takes is a lot of MONEY to get in the good graces of these organizations!
Also,I have tried to contact International Watches 2003 with no response from them either.
This is the site I went to that basically "sealed the deal" on my decision to purchase this Jitana from Allison.
At this site you will find nothing but high end watches with write-ups and photos galore.
And in with all those fine watches you'll find Montrtes Allison!
Again,all it takes is a lot-o-money and you too can have pictures and write-ups by your own design posted there.

If you want to read more about Allison,here's an excellent link:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1002902624

I found this while researching Montres Allison on the internet.
These guys are very serious about good quality watches.
They DON'T allow any B.S.,they'll cancel your thread and kick you off their site.
You see,they are REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL THOUGHTS ON REALITY!
So please go there and see what they have to say about Terry Allison and his watches!

So,you can read this thread and choose to believe consumers like me who actually own one of these watches and have had it opened-up,seen the actual Low Grade movement and is trying to bring-it-to-the-light-of-the-public,or,believe the rantings and ravings that you read in their rebuttals.

The photos I promised in my very 1st post will be featured any time now.

I am getting WRITTEN APPRAISALS on this Montres Allison Jitana watch and will be posting them as well.

I am confident that between the photos and the appraisals everyone will clearly see the true worth of these Montres Allison watches.

In fact,I'm pretty sure the MA leather wallet will come in at about the same value as the watch!

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL TACTICS!

I POSTED AT THIS SITE TO AIR MY GFIEVANCES ABOUT THIS MONTRES ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH SO THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE INFORMED OF THE LOW QUALITY THEY WILL RECEIVE WHEN THEY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE WATCHES.

CONTROVERSY STIRS DEBATE AND THROUGH DEBATE THE TRUTH WILL ARISE.
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#11 Consumer Comment

WELCOME to MONTRES ALLISON CUSTOMER DISSATISFACTION SERVICE.....

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Please stay on the line while we find someone to YELL AT YOU!

That's exactly what happens when you call an Allison dealer and complain about the quality of their watches.
The same thing happens when you file a report here complaining of the same.

You'll get NO support,No respect,NO sympathy,and ABSOLUTELY NO REFUNDS!

You WILL be verbally ATTACKED,ABUSED,DEMEANED,THREATENED AND MORE!

This site holds all the truth you need to know about Montres Allison watches.

You can see by the rebuttals from the Allison people that they DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS!

If they don't care about their customers then how can they care about their watches?

HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE BE RESPECTED IN THE WATCH COMMUNITY, THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THEY DO HERE AT THIS SITE?

I have tried to contact these organizations that Montres Allison has affiliations with i.e.
American Watch Guild, AWI, BWCCA, BHI, NAWCC.
I have asked them how they can include Montres Allison when they produce such LOW GRADE WATCHES?
They have not gotten back with me as of yet.
Apparently,all it takes is a lot of MONEY to get in the good graces of these organizations!
Also,I have tried to contact International Watches 2003 with no response from them either.
This is the site I went to that basically "sealed the deal" on my decision to purchase this Jitana from Allison.
At this site you will find nothing but high end watches with write-ups and photos galore.
And in with all those fine watches you'll find Montrtes Allison!
Again,all it takes is a lot-o-money and you too can have pictures and write-ups by your own design posted there.

If you want to read more about Allison,here's an excellent link:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1002902624

I found this while researching Montres Allison on the internet.
These guys are very serious about good quality watches.
They DON'T allow any B.S.,they'll cancel your thread and kick you off their site.
You see,they are REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL THOUGHTS ON REALITY!
So please go there and see what they have to say about Terry Allison and his watches!

So,you can read this thread and choose to believe consumers like me who actually own one of these watches and have had it opened-up,seen the actual Low Grade movement and is trying to bring-it-to-the-light-of-the-public,or,believe the rantings and ravings that you read in their rebuttals.

The photos I promised in my very 1st post will be featured any time now.

I am getting WRITTEN APPRAISALS on this Montres Allison Jitana watch and will be posting them as well.

I am confident that between the photos and the appraisals everyone will clearly see the true worth of these Montres Allison watches.

In fact,I'm pretty sure the MA leather wallet will come in at about the same value as the watch!

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL TACTICS!

I POSTED AT THIS SITE TO AIR MY GFIEVANCES ABOUT THIS MONTRES ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH SO THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE INFORMED OF THE LOW QUALITY THEY WILL RECEIVE WHEN THEY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE WATCHES.

CONTROVERSY STIRS DEBATE AND THROUGH DEBATE THE TRUTH WILL ARISE.
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#12 Consumer Comment

Mr. Kennedy

AUTHOR: Max - (U.S.A.)

I called jack stein from timebeat i wanted to see what this whole thing was about. after further study of this situatuon here are my comments. Timebeat spoke to mr Kennedy and stated to him that he could get a merchandise credit for his damaged watch.

As I understand Mr. Kennedy stripped the screws in the back of the watch and damaged the movements as well as the back of the case. Then he wanted timebeat to take back the item. Timebeat again offered him a sales credit because he voided the warranty. On the subject of movements mr. kennedy is not aware that most movements come from 1 of three companys. If mr. kennedy can explain why rolex presidential watch uses a valjoux movement and costs onlky $500 why does the watch sell for $25,000. A comporatble watch to a 25,000 rolex is the augeste reymond cotton club. why does an augeste reymond sell for 2500.00 by the way all swiss if the rolex costing 25,000 is using the same movement is that a ripe off by rolex, and is only 51 percent swiss.
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#13 REBUTTAL Individual responds

jim kenney is the rip off artist

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

i have spoken to timebeat.com and the ceo jack stein, jim kenney received his watch in fine order, nothing was wrong with it, mr. kenney who is not a watch repair person and no expert, open the watch back ripping the case off because of inproper tools her used, then broke the guts of the watch, timebeat has told mr kenney , in good fate will give him a credit slip for the amount her paid for a new watch, leaving timebeat to repair his broken watch and out the funds, mr kenney reply was no
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#14 REBUTTAL Individual responds

jim kenney is the rip off artist

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

i have spoken to timebeat.com and the ceo jack stein, jim kenney received his watch in fine order, nothing was wrong with it, mr. kenney who is not a watch repair person and no expert, open the watch back ripping the case off because of inproper tools her used, then broke the guts of the watch, timebeat has told mr kenney , in good fate will give him a credit slip for the amount her paid for a new watch, leaving timebeat to repair his broken watch and out the funds, mr kenney reply was no
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#15 REBUTTAL Individual responds

jim kenney is the rip off artist

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

i have spoken to timebeat.com and the ceo jack stein, jim kenney received his watch in fine order, nothing was wrong with it, mr. kenney who is not a watch repair person and no expert, open the watch back ripping the case off because of inproper tools her used, then broke the guts of the watch, timebeat has told mr kenney , in good fate will give him a credit slip for the amount her paid for a new watch, leaving timebeat to repair his broken watch and out the funds, mr kenney reply was no
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#16 REBUTTAL Individual responds

jim kenney is the rip off artist

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

i have spoken to timebeat.com and the ceo jack stein, jim kenney received his watch in fine order, nothing was wrong with it, mr. kenney who is not a watch repair person and no expert, open the watch back ripping the case off because of inproper tools her used, then broke the guts of the watch, timebeat has told mr kenney , in good fate will give him a credit slip for the amount her paid for a new watch, leaving timebeat to repair his broken watch and out the funds, mr kenney reply was no
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#17 Consumer Comment

Jim in fact

AUTHOR: Roland - (Hong Kong)

I live in Hong Kong very close to the Million Smart HK office. I can say that there are hundreds of Allison-looking watches floating around the markets, all made by Million Smart. It shouldn't be too difficult to trace a real Allison back to Million Smart if they indeed did manufacture it, so please let me know if I can be of assistance to your or your attorney in exposing any fraudulent practices of MA.
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#18 Consumer Comment

GO AHEAD, JIM. SUE THEM. ...Hundreds of buyers at Ebay are being fooled

AUTHOR: Rui - (Portugal)

A lot of words have bee written about that Montres Allison company. All the evidence advises to stay away from them, to avoid buying their products and to advert other people to do so.

Those wrist watches have no reputation at all outside some sites in the internet. It is a lie that Montres Allison is recognized as a fine watches manufacturer, it is not truth they had holdings in the luxury group LVMH or other luxury groups in Europe. No watch seller in Europe has ever seen a Montres Allison, for sure. In Switzerland no one knows this brand. They were never at the Basel show. No Allison watches or clocks were made in the XIX century as Mr. Terry Allison states in the company's history (www.montresallison.com).

We are facing a fraud. Hundreds of buyers at Ebay are being fooled, buying those pieces of crap thinking they are buying fine horology. It is legitimate to invent a new brand and to order the products from a chinese factory, but making the consumers thinking they are buying exclusive products, made in house is deceiving them.

I must say I never had a MA watch on my hand (thanks God) but the pictures posted in their site and in the ebay auctions are enough to have an opinion. And all those reports about the company and his owner speaks for themselves.

If those watches were really so good, independent serious watch collectors would talk about them and post real tests about them.

Jim is right. He was defrauded. He must sue them.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Hey Paul, CAN'T YOU READ?

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Paul(or Terry Allison);

Thanks for putting up the links to my auctions.
Now the people can see the photos of the piece of crap you call a watch!

And as my header states "can't you read?"!
If you could read,you would know that a QUALIFIED WATCHMAN,NOT ME,took the back off for inspection!

I cancelled the 1st 2 auctions because you or one of your cronies threatened me.I turned it over to e-Bay who tossed that person off e-Bay!
My last auction WAS cancelled by e-Bay because I listed the e-mail address of the bugger that threatened me(felixn9999).

So,post all you want,my feedbacks speak for themselves.

YOURS CAN'T EVEN BE VIEWED!
WHY CAN'T THE PUBLIC VIEW THE FEEDBACKS OF ALL YOUR AUCTIONS FOR THESE WATCHES?
IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE EMBARRASED?
ARE YOU ASHAMED?
ARE YOU A CROOK?
PRIVATE AUCTIONS DO NOT LOOK GOOD AND HIDING THE FEEDBACKS MAKES YOU LOOK EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS!

As for the taking off of the back.....
Anyone would also know that A SCREW ONLY COMES OUT THE WAY IT WAS PUT IN!

SO,IF THE SCREW WAS PUT IN CROOKED,IT WOULD COME OUT CROOKED!

ACCORDING TO THE LAW,YOU ARE STILL LIBEL FOR THE REFUNDING OF MY MONEY FOR THIS WATCH THAT WAS MIS-REPRESENTED TO ME NO MATTER WHAT!

TAKE OFF THAT SKIRT,PUT ON A PAIR OF PANTS AND ACT LIKE A MAN!

YOU BURNED ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS PURCHASED ONE OF YOUR WATCHES!

YOU ARE A CROOK AND WILL REAP THE BENIFITS OF YOUR ACTIONS!
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#20 Consumer Comment

Thanks Steve...........

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

You're absolutely correct!
As long as the work was done correctly,I can choose whomever I want to work on my Corvette(or my CRAPPY MONTRES ALLISON WATCH),without voiding ANY warranty!

I am in the process of retaining an attorney in this action.I am also contacting internet fraud divisions since the only way to purchase these watches is on the internet.

I AM THE CONSUMER!

I HAVE BEEN DEFRAUDED BY MONTRES ALLISON AND TIMEBEAT.COM!

I WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD!

AND TO ALL THAT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD THAT ARE FOR ALLISON,JUST ONE THING,STICK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND!
YOUR LITTLE BABY PLOYS TO DIVERT THE SUBJECT MATTER ARE JUST THAT,LITTLE BABY PLOYS!
THIS IS ABOUT A CHEAP CHINESE MADE WATCH THAT IS WORTH $35.00 AND HOW A COMPANY(MONTRES ALLISON)IS RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC WITH MARKETING TACTICS THAT CREATE THE ILLUSION THAT THIS WATCH IS WORTH $5,000.00!
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#21 Consumer Comment

Jim... Here are your auctions...

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

In the auction below, notice how Jim is excited to sell his watch (without mentioning the screws he stripped out). Doesn't seem like you've mentioned anything about it not functioning properly either. Hmmmmm.............

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31387&item=2650316662

Now notice how he admits that the screws are stripped out and that he did it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31387&item=2650511743

Here he goes again. What? You stripped the screws by having an unauthorized party work on it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31387&item=2650561542

Oh... and now you're going to get them for not giving you your money back on an item that you damaged by not following directions.

He canceled all of these auctions and listed one final auction that can't be found because ebay cancelled it due to the fact the he vas violating their policies.

I think I'll post a report on tobak-jak on this site and tell companies not to sell to him because he will damage your product and then will demand money back from you or will try to blackmail you. You're a thief and conman Jim and I plan to let the world know it. Montres Allison did nothing wrong. YOU did wrong. And the proof is in your auctions. Two can play this game, Jim.
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#22 Consumer Comment

My personal comments...

AUTHOR: Phil - (U.S.A.)

It seems suspect that a company like Montres Allison would be registered with the Better Business Bureau as a member along with the American Watch Guild, AWI, BWCCA, BHI, NAWCC, and International Watch Collector's Society member and that their sellers on ebay have thousands of positive comments, and that they had a six page spread in the well known International Watches 2003 Encyclopedia for watch collectors---- if there is something wrong their business practices. The only place that you can find anything bad is on this website and the information on this website can be posted by anyone and is not validated or proven before its posted. I believe that these anonymous posters are making up bad things about Montres Allison but accredited institutions approve of them. Law enforcement and the Better Business Bureau don't tell you to stay away. Do some thinking on your own and you'll come to the same conclusion. What is wrong with this picture?
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#23 Consumer Comment

Actually Larry

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You are not correct. In accordance with US consumer laws, manufacturers cannot deny a warranty based solely on the fact that the product was opened/fixed/tampered with UNLESS it can be proven that the damage was directly attributable to the work performed. Therefore, I can take a Corvette fuel injection system - or the entire Corvette - apart, and Chevy cannot void my warranty so long as I do a good job.

Jim, I suggest you research consumer law and/or consult with an attorney. The burden of proof is on the manufacturer, not you.
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#24 Consumer Comment

WATCH COLLECTOR BLUES ..QUIT PLAYING THESE LITTLE BABY GAMES WITH THE CONSUMERS!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

I know all about warranties, but thanks for the quick refresher course.

This Montres Allison Jitana is NOT a quality watch! So,why would it matter if the back is taken off?

It's funny that Allison watches are THE ONLY WATCH THAT COME WITH A LIFETIME WARRANTY!
Making them THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN EVER OPEN UP YOUR ALLISON WATCH!

It does NOT take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on here!

Larry, opening the hood on that Corvette is what I did, NOT mess with the fuel injection, BIG DIFFERENCE!

A $35.00 watch(which is EXACTLY what this Jitana is actually worth) IS a $35.00 watch!

Tell someone there at ALLISON to do the right thing,I.E.....
QUIT PLAYING THESE LITTLE BABY GAMES WITH THE CONSUMERS!

RECALL ALL THE EARLY ALLISON'S WITH THESE CHEAP CHINESE MOVEMENTS.

REFUND EVERYONE'S HARD-EARNED MONEY.

AND START BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!
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#25 Consumer Comment

Being a watch collector I know that if you take.....

AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)

a back off of a watch that you void the warranty. Try taking the back off of a Rolex, TAG, Movado, Omega, Patek, etc., and then turning it in for warranty work. They won't accept it.

Try taking a fuel injection system apart in a Corvette and see if they will work on it under warranty.

Mechanical instruments should not be tinkered with by amateurs. If you don't have the proper tools, you can easily damage it. You can also get dust inside a watch, etc. You can never expect a company to give a refund or honor a warranty after you have violated the terms of the warranty and tinkered with it.

Call any watch repair place you want.... Most credible watchmakers will not work on a watch that is under warranty unless they are an authorized service center because they know that they could be held liable for damaging the watch and for voiding the warranty. Call Rolex NY and ask them their policy. Its the same all throughout the watch business.
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#26 Consumer Comment

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Let me make this perfectly clear,I purchased this Montres Allison Jitana watch from an AUTHORIZED Allison dealer.They in-fact represent Allison.

I tried,until I was Blue-In-The-Face,to resolve this with Jack Stein of TimeBeat.com but to no avail.He absolutely refused to refund my money!

And if they are "so easy to deal with" as you say then WHY HAVEN'T THEY CONTACTED ME TO REFUND MY MONEY?

You see Jeff(and everyone else who puts stock into Allison) there is no resolve when you deal with CROOKS,only excuses and trouble and I've gotten both.

I'VE STARTED MY OWN RIP-OFF REPORT,GO TO:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?ID=65457

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF?
I'M THE ONE WHO GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!
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#27 Consumer Comment

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Let me make this perfectly clear,I purchased this Montres Allison Jitana watch from an AUTHORIZED Allison dealer.They in-fact represent Allison.

I tried,until I was Blue-In-The-Face,to resolve this with Jack Stein of TimeBeat.com but to no avail.He absolutely refused to refund my money!

And if they are "so easy to deal with" as you say then WHY HAVEN'T THEY CONTACTED ME TO REFUND MY MONEY?

You see Jeff(and everyone else who puts stock into Allison) there is no resolve when you deal with CROOKS,only excuses and trouble and I've gotten both.

I'VE STARTED MY OWN RIP-OFF REPORT,GO TO:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?ID=65457

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF?
I'M THE ONE WHO GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!
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#28 Consumer Comment

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Let me make this perfectly clear,I purchased this Montres Allison Jitana watch from an AUTHORIZED Allison dealer.They in-fact represent Allison.

I tried,until I was Blue-In-The-Face,to resolve this with Jack Stein of TimeBeat.com but to no avail.He absolutely refused to refund my money!

And if they are "so easy to deal with" as you say then WHY HAVEN'T THEY CONTACTED ME TO REFUND MY MONEY?

You see Jeff(and everyone else who puts stock into Allison) there is no resolve when you deal with CROOKS,only excuses and trouble and I've gotten both.

I'VE STARTED MY OWN RIP-OFF REPORT,GO TO:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?ID=65457

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF?
I'M THE ONE WHO GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!
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#29 Consumer Comment

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Let me make this perfectly clear,I purchased this Montres Allison Jitana watch from an AUTHORIZED Allison dealer.They in-fact represent Allison.

I tried,until I was Blue-In-The-Face,to resolve this with Jack Stein of TimeBeat.com but to no avail.He absolutely refused to refund my money!

And if they are "so easy to deal with" as you say then WHY HAVEN'T THEY CONTACTED ME TO REFUND MY MONEY?

You see Jeff(and everyone else who puts stock into Allison) there is no resolve when you deal with CROOKS,only excuses and trouble and I've gotten both.

I'VE STARTED MY OWN RIP-OFF REPORT,GO TO:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?ID=65457

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF?
I'M THE ONE WHO GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!!
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

Please try this before you move forward with your postings

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Jim, have you contacted Montres Allison direct to see what they will do for you. I had a problem with a Raymond Weil watch that I paid 2500.00 for. The watch repair man told me he could replace the exact movment for 85.00. Now this is a company that has been around for years with great succsess. How is it they can use cheap movements and it is ok. I think the jintana was one of the first watch Allison made. They have came a very long ways since that watch. I have a Jintana, I also have a Charlesho and a Jintana Duex, they are far better that the original Jintana. All the problems have been fixed. Contact Montres Allison see what they will do. I have spoken with them several times. They are very easy to deal with, they stand behind their watches and they want everyone to be happy. You are blaming your anger for timebeat on Terry Allison.Please try this before you move forward with your postings. I believe they will help you in someway as they have me. Jeff
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#31 Consumer Comment

MONTRES ALLISON RIPOFF PHOTOS

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Here are some photos I took of the Montres Allison Jitana watch that I purchased from Time beat.

As you can see there are NO stampings whatsoever other than the "Montres Allison" stamp!
This movement has been shown to several qualified watchmen who all said the same thing,"IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP MOVEMENT!".

Therefore,I have come to the conclusion that the movement on this watch is a "BOWEL MOVEMENT!".

And in response to "Jeff",you're absolutely correct,I did say ATA and I did mean ETA.
I am NOT a watchman,I don't have any affiliation with anyone for or against Montres Allison or anyone else in the watch business for that matter.

I am just an average Joe that got ripped-off by a scam artist and his affiliates and I just want to let as many people know as possible that I spent $750.00 on this $50.00 monstrosity.

Oh,Jeff,one more thing,now that you've had a watchman open up your Montres Allison to see those Glorious Guts,I want to let you know,YOU VOIDED THE WARRANTY!
GOOD LUCK!

I am going to pay for an appraisal on this watch and post it here for all to see.
I'm really ticked off at Timebeat and Allison for pulling this scam and will be relentless in my pursuit of justice!
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#32 Consumer Comment

montres allison

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Jim, what is a ATA movement? Are you thinking of ETA movement which several Montres Allison watchs have. It is very easy to tell a ETA movement as they have the ETA shield stamped on them. I had a watch repair person test my Charlesho, he measured beats per minute, he measured lost or gained time and several other tests. The watch performed great. He did take the back off and look at the movement, I looked at the movement with his scope. These are fine watches. I am sorry you had difficulties with your Jintana. I love my Allison.
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#33 Consumer Comment

I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

This is about a Montres Allison Jitana watch that I purchased a few weeks ago and have had trouble with.

I did have this watch for sale on e-Bay but ended the auction early because my conscience would NOT allow me to sell it.

I am an honest person,I've been registered with e-bay since 1999 and I have over700 Feedbacks(ALL GOOD and I want to keep it that way).
I die try to relist the watch on e-bay with this write-up below but was e-mailed with threatining letters telling me to "END THE AUCTION OR ELSE"!
I ended the auction out of fear of being banned from e-Bay.

HERE'S THE LINK TO THE CLOSED AUCTION,IT SHOULD BE THERE FOR A FEW DAYS,HOPEFULLY!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2650561542
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING VERY CAREFULLY
I purchased my watch over the phone,NOT on e-bay,from TimeBeat for $750.00.
When I received it the second time zone was not working properly.At that time I knew something was wrong!
I called TimeBeat and spoke with Jack Stein and told him of the problem and told him I just wanted to return the watch for a full refund at which time Jack Stein told me to send the watch back(at their expense) and they would repair it,so,reluctantly,I did.
I got the watch back in working order but it still didn't feel right.
I happened to go into a friend of mine's watch shop in Fresno,CA to have a battery put in
another watch.
He saw my Allison on my wrist and asked me what I had,I told him "an Allison" and he said,"UH OH!".
I asked him about it and he told me quite
frankly,in my opinion "IT'S A PIECE OF
CRAP!".
He's a very knowlegable watchman, an authorized Rolex repair station and I've known and trusted him for 15 years so I knew he was right!
I asked him to open up the watch to see if in fact it had a Swiss ATA movement as Allison claims.
As he was taking the screws out of the back plate they stripped and he had a heck-of-a-time getting it apart!I asked him how could stainless steel strip?He said it's NOT stainless steel,it's base metal!What stripped were actually the screw holes in the case!There's a
question as to wheather the watchcase is steel or potmetal!He finally got the back off and sure
enough,it's NOT a Swiss ATA movement! It's not even a German movement!He said it's a CHEAP,JUNK
movement probably Chinese!CHINESE? I DIDN'T PAY $750.00 FOR A CHEAP PIECE OF JUNK CRUMMY CHINESE
MOVEMENT IN A POTMETAL CASE! NO,STUPID ME PAID $750.00 FOR A $5,000.00 PIECE OF CRAP!
I called Jack Stein at Timebeat and told him what happened.He argued with me about it being stainless steel,swearing that it was.He also said it was my friend(the Rolex repairman) that stripped the holes in the case!He told me that since I had it opened by an un-authorized Allison repairman that it VOIDED the warranty.
I told him I don't care about the warranty,this watch is a CHEAP PIECE OF CRAP and I just want my money back!
He told me that since I had it opened he would NOT return my money!
He said he would give me a credit for another watch from him,I told him NO WAY.
After a fifteen minute argument that was going nowhere I finally told him that I just lost $750.00 and that I was sorry that I did busness with him and hung up!
Later that day there was a message on my answering machine from him telling me that he would send me some new screws for the watchback since they're "SPECIAL SCREWS" only found on Allison watches!
So,all I can say is "I GOT SCREWED BY TIMEBEAT"!
This is a very bad deal when you can't have anyone but an authorized Allison repairman look at the watch!
If you have to send it to them to have it opened up,how do you find out what's really inside?
YOU DON'T!THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY INSIDE!
IT'S A 'CATCH 22' situation and they win!
THIS IS NOT A GOOD WATCH!
THE SCREW HOLES ON THE BACK ARE STRIPPED!
ALLISON WILL NOT HONOR THE WARRANTY ON THIS WATCH BECAUSE "I POPPED THE HOOD TO SEE WHAT IT WAS RUNNING" AND THE SCREWS CAME OUT CROOKED AND STRIPPED THE HOLES!
TIMEBEAT WOULD NOT REFUND MY MONEY BECAUSE OF THE SAME!
EXCUSES,EXCUSES,EXCUSES! THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE!
IN FACT,THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY IS IF YOU DON'T TOUCH THE WATCH AT ALL WHEN YOU
RECEIVE IT!YOU CAN'T UNWRAP THE PLASTIC,TRY IT ON OR ADJUST THE BAND!THEY ARE SO PARANOID THAT THEY ACTUALLY TAKE PHOTOS OF EVERY WATCH AT EVERY ANGLE BEFORE THEY SHIP IT TO YOU SO THEY WILL KNOW IF YOU OPENED IT UP!
THIS IS ALL BASED ON MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH TIMEBEAT AND THE PURCHASE OF THIS ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH!
ALSO,WHY IS IT THAT ALL THE AUCTIONS ON E-BAY FOR ALLISON WATCHES BY ALLISON DEALERS ARE PRVATE?
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE WHO'S BIDDING ON THESE THINGS!
THEIR FEEDBACK FILES ARE ALSO PRIVATE SO YOU CAN'T SEE THEIR ACTUAL FEEDBACKS!
I WONDER WHY!!!!!!
BUYER BEWARE!
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP ALL OF YOU WHO READ THIS ON YOUR DECISION TO PURCHASE AN ALLISON WATCH!
IT'S A SHAME THAT I HAD TO FIND OUT THE HARD WAY!
I will be posting detailed photos of this watch inside and out so you all can see the TRUTH behind these awful watches.
I will also have photos of the box it came in and the "CERTIFICATE of AUTHENTICITY" to prove to ALL the non-believers that this watch IS in-fact THE watch you will receive from Montres Allison.
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#34 Consumer Comment

I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

This is about a Montres Allison Jitana watch that I purchased a few weeks ago and have had trouble with.

I did have this watch for sale on e-Bay but ended the auction early because my conscience would NOT allow me to sell it.

I am an honest person,I've been registered with e-bay since 1999 and I have over700 Feedbacks(ALL GOOD and I want to keep it that way).
I die try to relist the watch on e-bay with this write-up below but was e-mailed with threatining letters telling me to "END THE AUCTION OR ELSE"!
I ended the auction out of fear of being banned from e-Bay.

HERE'S THE LINK TO THE CLOSED AUCTION,IT SHOULD BE THERE FOR A FEW DAYS,HOPEFULLY!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2650561542
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING VERY CAREFULLY
I purchased my watch over the phone,NOT on e-bay,from TimeBeat for $750.00.
When I received it the second time zone was not working properly.At that time I knew something was wrong!
I called TimeBeat and spoke with Jack Stein and told him of the problem and told him I just wanted to return the watch for a full refund at which time Jack Stein told me to send the watch back(at their expense) and they would repair it,so,reluctantly,I did.
I got the watch back in working order but it still didn't feel right.
I happened to go into a friend of mine's watch shop in Fresno,CA to have a battery put in
another watch.
He saw my Allison on my wrist and asked me what I had,I told him "an Allison" and he said,"UH OH!".
I asked him about it and he told me quite
frankly,in my opinion "IT'S A PIECE OF
CRAP!".
He's a very knowlegable watchman, an authorized Rolex repair station and I've known and trusted him for 15 years so I knew he was right!
I asked him to open up the watch to see if in fact it had a Swiss ATA movement as Allison claims.
As he was taking the screws out of the back plate they stripped and he had a heck-of-a-time getting it apart!I asked him how could stainless steel strip?He said it's NOT stainless steel,it's base metal!What stripped were actually the screw holes in the case!There's a
question as to wheather the watchcase is steel or potmetal!He finally got the back off and sure
enough,it's NOT a Swiss ATA movement! It's not even a German movement!He said it's a CHEAP,JUNK
movement probably Chinese!CHINESE? I DIDN'T PAY $750.00 FOR A CHEAP PIECE OF JUNK CRUMMY CHINESE
MOVEMENT IN A POTMETAL CASE! NO,STUPID ME PAID $750.00 FOR A $5,000.00 PIECE OF CRAP!
I called Jack Stein at Timebeat and told him what happened.He argued with me about it being stainless steel,swearing that it was.He also said it was my friend(the Rolex repairman) that stripped the holes in the case!He told me that since I had it opened by an un-authorized Allison repairman that it VOIDED the warranty.
I told him I don't care about the warranty,this watch is a CHEAP PIECE OF CRAP and I just want my money back!
He told me that since I had it opened he would NOT return my money!
He said he would give me a credit for another watch from him,I told him NO WAY.
After a fifteen minute argument that was going nowhere I finally told him that I just lost $750.00 and that I was sorry that I did busness with him and hung up!
Later that day there was a message on my answering machine from him telling me that he would send me some new screws for the watchback since they're "SPECIAL SCREWS" only found on Allison watches!
So,all I can say is "I GOT SCREWED BY TIMEBEAT"!
This is a very bad deal when you can't have anyone but an authorized Allison repairman look at the watch!
If you have to send it to them to have it opened up,how do you find out what's really inside?
YOU DON'T!THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY INSIDE!
IT'S A 'CATCH 22' situation and they win!
THIS IS NOT A GOOD WATCH!
THE SCREW HOLES ON THE BACK ARE STRIPPED!
ALLISON WILL NOT HONOR THE WARRANTY ON THIS WATCH BECAUSE "I POPPED THE HOOD TO SEE WHAT IT WAS RUNNING" AND THE SCREWS CAME OUT CROOKED AND STRIPPED THE HOLES!
TIMEBEAT WOULD NOT REFUND MY MONEY BECAUSE OF THE SAME!
EXCUSES,EXCUSES,EXCUSES! THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE!
IN FACT,THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY IS IF YOU DON'T TOUCH THE WATCH AT ALL WHEN YOU
RECEIVE IT!YOU CAN'T UNWRAP THE PLASTIC,TRY IT ON OR ADJUST THE BAND!THEY ARE SO PARANOID THAT THEY ACTUALLY TAKE PHOTOS OF EVERY WATCH AT EVERY ANGLE BEFORE THEY SHIP IT TO YOU SO THEY WILL KNOW IF YOU OPENED IT UP!
THIS IS ALL BASED ON MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH TIMEBEAT AND THE PURCHASE OF THIS ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH!
ALSO,WHY IS IT THAT ALL THE AUCTIONS ON E-BAY FOR ALLISON WATCHES BY ALLISON DEALERS ARE PRVATE?
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE WHO'S BIDDING ON THESE THINGS!
THEIR FEEDBACK FILES ARE ALSO PRIVATE SO YOU CAN'T SEE THEIR ACTUAL FEEDBACKS!
I WONDER WHY!!!!!!
BUYER BEWARE!
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP ALL OF YOU WHO READ THIS ON YOUR DECISION TO PURCHASE AN ALLISON WATCH!
IT'S A SHAME THAT I HAD TO FIND OUT THE HARD WAY!
I will be posting detailed photos of this watch inside and out so you all can see the TRUTH behind these awful watches.
I will also have photos of the box it came in and the "CERTIFICATE of AUTHENTICITY" to prove to ALL the non-believers that this watch IS in-fact THE watch you will receive from Montres Allison.
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#35 Consumer Comment

I TOO WAS RIPPED OFF BY MONTRES ALLISON

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

This is about a Montres Allison Jitana watch that I purchased a few weeks ago and have had trouble with.

I did have this watch for sale on e-Bay but ended the auction early because my conscience would NOT allow me to sell it.

I am an honest person,I've been registered with e-bay since 1999 and I have over700 Feedbacks(ALL GOOD and I want to keep it that way).
I die try to relist the watch on e-bay with this write-up below but was e-mailed with threatining letters telling me to "END THE AUCTION OR ELSE"!
I ended the auction out of fear of being banned from e-Bay.

HERE'S THE LINK TO THE CLOSED AUCTION,IT SHOULD BE THERE FOR A FEW DAYS,HOPEFULLY!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2650561542
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING VERY CAREFULLY
I purchased my watch over the phone,NOT on e-bay,from TimeBeat for $750.00.
When I received it the second time zone was not working properly.At that time I knew something was wrong!
I called TimeBeat and spoke with Jack Stein and told him of the problem and told him I just wanted to return the watch for a full refund at which time Jack Stein told me to send the watch back(at their expense) and they would repair it,so,reluctantly,I did.
I got the watch back in working order but it still didn't feel right.
I happened to go into a friend of mine's watch shop in Fresno,CA to have a battery put in
another watch.
He saw my Allison on my wrist and asked me what I had,I told him "an Allison" and he said,"UH OH!".
I asked him about it and he told me quite
frankly,in my opinion "IT'S A PIECE OF
CRAP!".
He's a very knowlegable watchman, an authorized Rolex repair station and I've known and trusted him for 15 years so I knew he was right!
I asked him to open up the watch to see if in fact it had a Swiss ATA movement as Allison claims.
As he was taking the screws out of the back plate they stripped and he had a heck-of-a-time getting it apart!I asked him how could stainless steel strip?He said it's NOT stainless steel,it's base metal!What stripped were actually the screw holes in the case!There's a
question as to wheather the watchcase is steel or potmetal!He finally got the back off and sure
enough,it's NOT a Swiss ATA movement! It's not even a German movement!He said it's a CHEAP,JUNK
movement probably Chinese!CHINESE? I DIDN'T PAY $750.00 FOR A CHEAP PIECE OF JUNK CRUMMY CHINESE
MOVEMENT IN A POTMETAL CASE! NO,STUPID ME PAID $750.00 FOR A $5,000.00 PIECE OF CRAP!
I called Jack Stein at Timebeat and told him what happened.He argued with me about it being stainless steel,swearing that it was.He also said it was my friend(the Rolex repairman) that stripped the holes in the case!He told me that since I had it opened by an un-authorized Allison repairman that it VOIDED the warranty.
I told him I don't care about the warranty,this watch is a CHEAP PIECE OF CRAP and I just want my money back!
He told me that since I had it opened he would NOT return my money!
He said he would give me a credit for another watch from him,I told him NO WAY.
After a fifteen minute argument that was going nowhere I finally told him that I just lost $750.00 and that I was sorry that I did busness with him and hung up!
Later that day there was a message on my answering machine from him telling me that he would send me some new screws for the watchback since they're "SPECIAL SCREWS" only found on Allison watches!
So,all I can say is "I GOT SCREWED BY TIMEBEAT"!
This is a very bad deal when you can't have anyone but an authorized Allison repairman look at the watch!
If you have to send it to them to have it opened up,how do you find out what's really inside?
YOU DON'T!THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY INSIDE!
IT'S A 'CATCH 22' situation and they win!
THIS IS NOT A GOOD WATCH!
THE SCREW HOLES ON THE BACK ARE STRIPPED!
ALLISON WILL NOT HONOR THE WARRANTY ON THIS WATCH BECAUSE "I POPPED THE HOOD TO SEE WHAT IT WAS RUNNING" AND THE SCREWS CAME OUT CROOKED AND STRIPPED THE HOLES!
TIMEBEAT WOULD NOT REFUND MY MONEY BECAUSE OF THE SAME!
EXCUSES,EXCUSES,EXCUSES! THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE!
IN FACT,THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY IS IF YOU DON'T TOUCH THE WATCH AT ALL WHEN YOU
RECEIVE IT!YOU CAN'T UNWRAP THE PLASTIC,TRY IT ON OR ADJUST THE BAND!THEY ARE SO PARANOID THAT THEY ACTUALLY TAKE PHOTOS OF EVERY WATCH AT EVERY ANGLE BEFORE THEY SHIP IT TO YOU SO THEY WILL KNOW IF YOU OPENED IT UP!
THIS IS ALL BASED ON MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH TIMEBEAT AND THE PURCHASE OF THIS ALLISON JITANA WRISTWATCH!
ALSO,WHY IS IT THAT ALL THE AUCTIONS ON E-BAY FOR ALLISON WATCHES BY ALLISON DEALERS ARE PRVATE?
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE WHO'S BIDDING ON THESE THINGS!
THEIR FEEDBACK FILES ARE ALSO PRIVATE SO YOU CAN'T SEE THEIR ACTUAL FEEDBACKS!
I WONDER WHY!!!!!!
BUYER BEWARE!
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP ALL OF YOU WHO READ THIS ON YOUR DECISION TO PURCHASE AN ALLISON WATCH!
IT'S A SHAME THAT I HAD TO FIND OUT THE HARD WAY!
I will be posting detailed photos of this watch inside and out so you all can see the TRUTH behind these awful watches.
I will also have photos of the box it came in and the "CERTIFICATE of AUTHENTICITY" to prove to ALL the non-believers that this watch IS in-fact THE watch you will receive from Montres Allison.
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#36 Consumer Suggestion

Hey Morgan .... Did you ever take the lie detector test????

AUTHOR: Bob - (U.S.A.)

Why won't you take it???????? You aren't enough of a man to prove your false allegations against this company????????? You're a total fake!!!!!!!! Everybody can see it!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life, you cheeseball!!!!!!!!!!!!TAKE THE TEST OR SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're an obvious loser and I did a search on this site for your name and see that you are a total scam artist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#37 Consumer Comment

Montres Allison is the fishiest among the fishy!

AUTHOR: Wel - (Norway)

I first heard about Montres Allison at a Swedish watch forum about 1.5 years ago - and what was said there made me go to Timezone.com and there I found the article comparing a MA Jour et Nuit and a counterfeit Frank Mller. Then I have done my own research and have got confirmed that all allegations and statements about this so-called watch manufacturer company seem to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Now I can nothing else but agree with Scott Morgan when he urges Terry & co to answer some crucial questions.

I'd like to take the opportunity to ask a few myself based on my observations and contacts with the one of the company's so-called authorised dealers.

Scott mentioned that the "history" of Montres Allison, as read on the website, is copied from a legitimate watch manufacturer (RGM). But this is not the only text that Terry has stolen to promote his watches. One member of the Equation-of-Time forum brought my attention to the fact that much of the material under the FAQ is downright copy-and-paste from a Swiss manufacturer, namely IWC! Let's take a closer look at these two cases of plagiarism and copyright violation.

First the "history", to which a laughable statement about an Allison ancestor making watches was added just lately (I keep track of the frequent changes on this site). Changing the past from one week to the next was something the old communist regimes mastered, but an honest watch company with nothing to hide shouldn't need to do that, right? ;-D That part is btw not to be found in the reprint of Watches International 2003, which also is a good giggle among those who have at least some rudimentary knowlegde about real watches. Anyway, we start with the very first line, first from the RGM site http://www.rgmwatches.com/rgm1.html :

"Historically speaking, watchmaking originally evolved in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux."

Compare this citation to the one below, taken from the MA site:

"Horologically speaking, watchmaking originated in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux."

Someone would perhaps object calling this plagiarism, but this is a very obvious case; a few words have been changed, added or deleted, whereas the structure of the sentence is exactly the same, and the meaning of it similar. Anyway, it's getting better, be patient! ;-)

The next section of the RGM history goes like this:

"RGM is a timeless classic reminiscent of the old Swiss watchmaking tradition. Just as legendary Swiss watchmakers personally sold their complicated movements and expertise to fascinated watch connoisseurs, Roland Murphy, RGM's American - born founder, is marketing his exclusive collection of custom - designed, mechanical timepieces with high quality complications in the same fashion."

And the same text soiled with the MA changes reads:

"Montres Allison produces exclusive, beautiful timepieces similar to the old Swiss watchmaking houses. Like legendary Swiss watchmakers who personally sold their complicated movements and expertise to fascinated connoisseurs of fine timepieces, Montres Allison, markets its exclusive collection of custom designed, mechanical timepieces with superior quality movements and complications in a similar fashion."

Still not convinced? Keep reading!

"RGM is watchmaking in its purest form."

compared to

"Montres Allison is watchmaking in its purest, finest form."

Here someone clearly couldn't resist 'improving' the original, but does it make MA watches any better? Don't think so!

The next section of the RGM history to be plagiarised is this:

"RGM is not a conventional luxury watch brand. It features exceptional movements such as a Minute Repeater Perpetual Calendar, a Tourbillon, an Automatic Chronograph with Moonphase and a rose gold Skeleton Chronograph - just a few of RGM's highlights. RGM's reputation rests on its technical prowess and aesthetic beauty rather than a famous name."

The MA version goes like this:

"Montres Allison is not a run-of-the-mill, exclusive, luxury watch brand. It features exceptional calendar movements such as a Master Calendiere, several different tourbillons, a beautiful aperture showing the balance wheel on the dial of the Ciclone II, and many other complicated and classic designs. Montres Allison's reputation rests on its aesthetic beauty, unique designs, and technical achievements rather than an expensive marketing campaign."

I'd rather say that Montres Allison's reputation rests on anonymised ebay auctions, and mass produced low-quality watches worth <$100 with ridiculous 'retail prices' attached (yes, the retail prices recently have been removed from the web site, wonder why, but they are there in the printed material).

Anyway, we are not finished with the MA 'history' - there's more!

At the RGM site you read:

"'You're not likely to see the person next to you on a airplane wearing a(sic!) RGM', Mr. Murphy says."

And at the MA site MA has taken Mr. Murphy's words right out of his mouth and made them their own:

"You're not likely to see the person next to you on an airline wearing a Montres Allison timepiece"

I'd call this unscrupulous theft!

RGM want to promote themselves as a small company with close relations to their customers:

"At RGM, Mr. Murphy is just a phone call away, adding a unique personal touch in today's watch world."

Someone thought that sounded good too:

"Montres Allison, is just an email away, adding a unique personal touch in today's world of exclusive timepieces."

Finally, RGM explains why the stamp "Swiss Made" is not necessary on their watches:

"Did you know that many popular " Swiss watches" are not entirely Swiss made? Loopholes allow many brands to carry the " Swiss - made " moniker simply because their watches are assembled in Switzerland, despite the fact many of the parts are made in Asia. Although RGM's components are Swiss or American made, the brand no longer applies an artificial Swiss - made stamp on its dial because its not necessary. The quality, which exceeds most Swiss watch brands, speaks for itself."

Since MA aren't Swiss made either (they appear to be Chinese!), a last copy-and-paste operation was made, a few words manipulated, and viola! a another piece of plagiarism was created:

"Did you know that many of the popular 'Swiss watches' are not entirely Swiss made? Loopholes in the term's requirement for use allow many brands to carry the 'Swiss Made' logo simply because their watches are assembled in Switzerland (despite the fact many of the parts are made in Asia and other parts of the world). Although many of Montres Allison's components and movements are Swiss made, the Montres Allison brand does not apply an artificial Swiss Made stamp on its dial because it is not necessary. The quality, which exceeds that of even the best known Swiss watch brands, speaks for itself."

Yes, Mr. Allison, the quality of your watches indeed speaks for itself! ;-D

At the bottom of the page we find a neat little MA copyright dated 2001. The RGM site copyrighted its history in 2000...

Now over to the FAQ page. Here we find an even more flagrant example of plagiarism (if possible), just look at this! At www.iwc.ch there is an FAQ site with instructions and info on IWC watches and their operation, service needs, etc. To set the date and time on an IWC watch you need to do the following:

"Detailed information is provided below. However, it is vital to remember that you should never use the fast-forward mechanism between 8 pm and 3 am. The hands must never be turned back beyond midnight. During this time, the switching mechanism in the calendar mechanism is active and turning the hands back could damage the movement.
Important: Special rules apply for setting IWC perpetual calendars, such as the one found in the Da Vinci, watch with additional calendar functions or special calendar designs, such as the one found in Ref. 1850 or the GST Automatic Alarm. Before setting these watches, please read the instructions supplied.

For all other IWC models, we recommend the following procedure:

1. Pull out the crown to the hand-setting position as described in the instructions for use and turn the hands forward until the calendar switches to the next day. In the case of a watch that has stopped, it is not possible to tell whether time shown is before or after noon. However, you can identify midnight position by watching when the calendar moves on.

2. Turn the hands at least six hours after midnight. Using the calendar's fast-forward mechanism, set the watch to yesterday's date. The calendar in a watch normally switches between 8 pm and 3 am. During this time, turning the hands back can damage the movement. By setting the watch to 6 am, you can be certain that the watch is not in the switching phase.

Once you have set the calendar to yesterday's date, you can proceed as follows:

3. Push the crown back into the normal position to start the movement and then pull it out to the hand-setting position again when the seconds hand reaches 12 o'clock. This allows you to use a time signal to set the watch exact to the second.

4. Now advance the hands until the calendar moves to the current date. Continue to turn the hands until the hands are about 5 minutes ahead of the actual time. If the time is after noon, please ensure that you have moved the hour hand past the 12 noon position. This is because the time at which the calendar switches gives you another way of checking whether your watch is showing a time before or after noon.

In addition, you now have a way of setting times between 12.30 and 3 am without damaging the calendar mechanism.

5. Now turn the hands back until the time shown is one minute ahead of the actual time. Once the time shown by the watch is the actual time, press the crown to restart the watch (turn the crown to tighten it if your watch has a screw-in crown). Setting the watch back takes out the play between the cogs in the going train. There is always a certain amount of play in the toothing between two wheels that intermesh: this allows the wheels to move freely and prevents them from jamming.
When the watch is running normally, the fact that the dial train moves forward evenly in the same direction means that the play is not noticeable. However, if you pull out the crown of your watch to the hand-setting position and turn the crown in both directions when setting the hands, you will notice this play in the train each time you change the direction in which you turn the crown. Furthermore, when you pull out or push in the crown, another wheel meshes with the wheels in the dial train. In the case of a watch set to "forward", this can cause the minute hand to make a little jump when you push in the crown.

Now your watch should be running smoothly, showing the correct time and date."

Someone didn't find it necessary to alter much when he had copied the text above:

"Detailed information is provided below. However, it is extremely important to remember that you should never use the fast-forward mechanism between 8 pm and 3 am. The hands must never be turned back beyond midnight. During this time, the switching mechanism in the calendar mechanism is active and turning the hands back could damage the movement.

For most Montres Allison timepieces, we recommend the following procedure:

1. Pull out the crown to the hand-setting position as described in the instructions for use and turn the hands forward until the calendar switches to the next day. In the case of a watch that has stopped, it is not possible to tell whether time shown is before or after noon unless the timepiece is equipped with any variation of an a.m./p.m. indicator. However, you can identify midnight position by watching when the calendar moves forward.

2. Turn the hands at least six hours after midnight. Using the calendar's fast-forward mechanism, set the watch to yesterday's date. The calendar in a watch normally switches between 8 pm and 3 am. During this time, turning the hands back can damage the movement. By setting the watch to 6 am, you can be certain that the watch is not in the switching phase.

Once you have set the calendar to yesterday's date, you can proceed as follows:

3. Push the crown back into the normal position to start the movement and then pull it out to the hand-setting position again when the seconds hand reaches 12 o'clock. This allows you to use a time signal to set the watch exact to the second.

4. Now advance the hands until the calendar moves to the current date. Continue to turn the hands until the hands are about 5 minutes ahead of the actual time. If the time is after noon, please ensure that you have moved the hour hand past the 12 noon position. This is because the time at which the calendar switches gives you another way of checking whether your watch is showing a time before or after noon.

In addition, you now have a way of setting times between 12.30 and 3 am without damaging the calendar mechanism.

5. Now turn the hands back until the time shown is one minute ahead of the actual time. Once the time shown by the watch is the actual time, press the crown to restart the watch (turn the crown to tighten it if your watch has a screw-in crown). Setting the watch back takes out the play between the cogs in the going train. There is always a certain amount of play in the toothing between two wheels that intermesh: this allows the wheels to move freely and prevents them from jamming.
When the watch is running normally, the fact that the dial train moves forward evenly in the same direction means that the play is not noticeable. However, if you pull out the crown of your watch to the hand-setting position and turn the crown in both directions when setting the hands, you will notice this play in the train each time you change the direction in which you turn the crown. Furthermore, when you pull out or push in the crown, another wheel meshes with the wheels in the dial train. In the case of a watch set to "forward", this can cause the minute hand to make a little jump when you push in the crown.

Now your watch should be running smoothly, showing the correct time and date."

If you didn't find many differences it's because there aren't any!

IWC also has a text explaining the tolerances of their watches:

"Before an IWC leaves the factory, the movement is tested in five different positions:

Crown down
Crown left
Crown up
Dial down
Dial up

The movement is adjusted in each of these positions to an average rate of between 0 and +7 seconds per day. In other words, an IWC must never be slow but may be fast by up to 7 seconds per day. The average daily tolerances for chronometer rates are between -4 and +6 seconds. This means that even a watch that loses up to 4 seconds a day can still be called a chronometer. For more information on this subject, click here.
The rate is also affected by the owner's way of life. The automatic movement will react differently when the wearer has an extremely active lifestyle from the way it would with a comparatively quiet person. However, any deviation from the tolerances mentioned above is not so much a question of function as of adjustment and wearing habits.

A watch may well behave differently after a repair. For more information on this subject, click here."

MA wanted their 'watches', which they claim are "a celebration of the art of watch manufacture worldwide" (*LOFLMAO*), to appear at least as good as the ones from IWC, so they copied and pasted:

"Before a Montres Allison timepiece leaves the factory, the movement is tested in five different positions:

Crown down
Crown left
Crown up
Crown right
Dial up
Dial down

The movement is adjusted in each of these positions to an average rate of between 0 and +7 seconds per day. In other words, a Montres Allison timepiece must never be slow but may be fast by up to 7 seconds per day. The average daily tolerances for chronometer rates are between -4 and +6 seconds. This means that even a watch that loses up to 4 seconds a day can still be called a chronometer.

The rate is also affected by the owner's lifestyle. The mechanical movement will react differently when the wearer has an extremely active lifestyle from the way it would with a comparatively inactive person. However, any deviation from the tolerances mentioned above is not so much a question of function as of adjustment and wearing habits.

A watch may well behave differently after a repair."

IWC also provides some info on how to run in the watch properly:

"First of all, many congratulations: we hope your new watch will be a source of pleasure for years to come. The first thing you should do now is run the watch in by wearing it every day. If necessary, the watch should be readjusted after the running-in period. Mechanical watches need to run for a certain time until they become stable.

IWC runs in its watches under controlled conditions at the production stage and checks the rate of the movement is checked using a timing machine and by observing its behaviour over a certain period of time. This usually takes place at room temperature and with simulated sequences of movements. On the wearer's wrist, however, conditions may be completely different, which would result in a different rate from the one recorded during the test at the production stage.
Keep an eye on the deviations and note down how fast or slow the watch is every day. Your record might well look like this:

Date Deviation at 8.15 pm Note


1 July 0 seconds watch set at 8.15 pm
2 July + 10 seconds
3 July + 20 seconds

Your watchmaker will then reset your watch on the basis of the information you provide. In this case, he would set your watch to go about 8 seconds slower per day.

Under certain circumstances, it may be necessary to repeat this step, but in the end your watch will be perfectly set to your personal lifestyle.
For more information about rate tolerances click here."

At Montres Allison this was obviously regarded as a good piece that should be incorparated to improve the thin and oh so cracked varnish of a legitimate manufacturer of fine watches:

"The first thing you should do after acquiring a Montres Allison timepiece is "run the watch in" by wearing it every day. If necessary, the watch should be readjusted after the running-in period. Mechanical watches need to run for a certain time until they become stable.

Montres Allison 'runs in' it's(sic!) watches under controlled conditions at the production stage and checks the rate of the movement using a timing machine and by observing its behavior over a certain period of time. This usually takes place at room temperature and with simulated sequences of movements. On the wearer's wrist, however, conditions may be completely different, which would result in a different rate from the one recorded during the test at the production stage.
Keep an eye on the deviations and note how fast or slow the watch is every day. Use a variation of the following form:

Date Deviation at 8.15 pm Note

1 July 0 seconds watch set at 10:00 a.m.
2 July + 8 seconds
3 July + 16 seconds

Your authorized service center will then reset your watch on the basis of the information you provide. In this case, they would set your watch to go about 6 - 8 seconds slower per day.
Under certain circumstances, it may be necessary to repeat this step, but in the end your watch will be perfectly set to your personal lifestyle."

Did you notice that in the MA text the second and third deviations in the table have been changed compared to the original text from www.iwc.com? No? I don't blame you - the texts are nearly identical and MA have clearly violated IWC's copyright. They have also the impudence to put a copyright on these pages as well, though everything is stolen - down to the commas!

Now to the story about my contact with 'Watches Central', one of the sites which, until recently were presented as an 'authorised dealer' at the MA site. If you visit that site now they only seem to sell watch winders and no where is the MA name to be found. Weird, isn't it? They are also active on ebay. At the same time, all the dealers have been removed from the MA site, and instead there is just a statement that "Montres Allison luxury timepieces are available at fine watch retailers and jewelers worldwide. Please contact you(sic!) local jewelers and luxury watch retailers to inquire." I'd say that this is untrue. The watches are available at ebay and sell for ridiculous prices because the poor bidders believe in the bogus retail prices given. What I wrote was the following (please be aware that at that time, the site featured a picture of an A. Lange & Shne Lange 1 Tourbillon, that is why I refer to that in my email:

"From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003

> Hi,
>
>Why is it that you have a picture of a Lange 1 Tourbillon at the top of your site, but obviously do not offer any watches of this high end brand?
>
>As for the MA watches, I can't believe the discounts you are giving - are the retail prices real? I really miss some useful information about the movements, where they come from, beat rate, etc. Such info would be much better than iterating rather meaningless details about the packaging, don't you think?
>
>I also notice that many of the models look very similar with similar movements, complications, etc., and that they look very much the same as
several watches I have seen on the web, that were offered at much lower prices than the virtual identical MA products. What is it that adds such a substantial value to MA watches? These watches are compared with Franck Muller, Paul Picot, Patek Phillippe and others, but I'm not yet convinced that Montres Allison hold their high standards so you will have to convince me!
>
> Best regards,"

I mean that this email wasn't rude in any way, though asked a few legitimate questions. The answer that followed from this 'authorised dealer' of the watchbrand that "is a celebration of the art of watch manufacture worldwide" was shocking:

"Which of the lange watches did you want
we have most in stock, can you afford it ? do you own a watch, why are you concerned at what we are selling are you the ebay police or just some crackpot get a life get a job i know if i didnt like something i would just ignore it have you ever seen a montres allison watch, probably not ,,most likely
not"

Hey! After this slap in the face I was 100% convinced that the MA brand is a fraud from beginning to end. It is up to Terry & co to prove I'm wrong. The facts that Scott Morgan has presented regarding Terry Allison's past as a 'businessman' have been interesting, but not necessary for me to realise what this is all about.

So Mr. Allison, back to my questions:

1. Why do you have to resort to plagiarism of another watch brand's (RGM) history when your own brand is comparable to, or even 'better' than Patek Phillippe, Frank Muller, etc.?

2. Why do you have to plagiarise parts of the FAQ pages at www.iwc.ch when your watches have such an integrity of their own that you can claim that they are "a celebration of the art of watch manufacture worldwide" and have a "quality, which exceeds that of even the best known Swiss watch brands"?

3. Do you think that the reply I got from one of your retailers (or was that you all the time?) is appropriate for a watch manufacturer claiming that its products are "a celebration of the art of watch manufacture worldwide" and have a "quality, which exceeds that of even the best known Swiss watch brands"? Why was he worried I was the 'ebay police'? What had he to hide?

I smell piles of skeletons in the closet here! Only you are able to straighten the question marks.

Best regards from,
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#38 Consumer Comment

Montres Allison is a fraud

AUTHOR: Rui - (Portugal)

Evidence tells me this Montres Allison company is not making any wrist watches at all. They are buying cheap chinese watches and pretending they made luxury timepieces in an atempt to fool people at ebay auctions.

Mr Terry Allison II should be sued and arrested.
Here in Europe no one has ever seen a MA watch in the stores and all european magazines ignore Montres Allison brand. If you have any doubt just contact ETA,SA, where Mr. Allison says he buys the movements.

This is a shame for all of us who loves fine watches. Allison must be stopped.
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#39 Consumer Suggestion

Montres Allison Quality

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I am a watch collector and enthusiast with 20+ watches ranging in value from under $500 to over $5000. I have been collecting for 10+ years and avidly studying watches for 5+ years. ( including taking Timezone's watchmaking school )

I personally inspected a Montres Allison Jour et Nuit about 2 years ago, and can categoricaly state that this is a low quality Chinese made timepiece with a fair market value of under $100.

At the time, this model had a suggested retail price of $2500.

Montres Allison's sales technices consist of deception, lies, and exaggeration. Their watches are in violation of US law, as both the movement and case lack country of origion markings.

They are the laughing stock of the fine watch world.

Anyone considering of of these blatant rip-offs is encouraged to post to any of the many watch enthusiast boards such as Timezone, Equation of Time, The Purists, Watch U Seek, or the www newsgroup alt.horology.

Dozens of knowlegable watch enthusiasts, such as myself, will tell you to steer clear of this fraudulent brand.

They are the Enron of the watch world and Terry Allison is the Ken Lay.
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#40 Consumer Comment

Hey Morgan..... Why don't you just take the test?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What do you have to hide? No law enforcement is going to ask you to take a lie detector over something like this! That was a good attempt at spinning the situation. You were asked to take a lie detector and your response was that you would take one if law enforecement asked you to? HA! You're a joke. I have two Montres Allison watches and they're extremely nice.

BTW... a bounced check is one that is presented to your bank and bounces away without releasing payment -- - no matter what the reason.... NSF, Stop payment, etc.

People like you have stopped payment on checks in order to commit fraud. I just saw another example on Judge Judy the other day regarding Super Bowl tickets. If its presented and is not paid (for any reason), it has bounced.

You like bouncing checks???? What a retard!!!!!!!!!!!
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#41 Author of original report

Terry posting under different names again?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

It seems Terry insists on putting up messages with different names just to prove my claim, posting with the same exact speech patterns all over the place and posting messages with information only Terry would know about. The rebuttal made by Terry/Lance contains inaccurate information only Terry would know about at this time. Here is again the truth.

1. I have said in my post above that I will take a lie detector test for ANY law enforcement agency that asks. Law enforcement can't force anyone to take a lie detector test, they do, however, ask people to take them in order to get a handle on whether a suspect or witness is telling the truth. Terry is under investigation for many things, which he himself has acknowledged on this site. I should think it is up to him to clear his own name. I will take an independent test any time along WITH Terry. Take the time to fully read and comprehend what I have said in my posts.

2. My ISP has never kicked me off of anything, I am using my internet provider right now. I own a domain name of americanwatchdesign.com, which was hosted on HyperMart. I created and used this name for the purposes of dealing with Terry's watch manufacturer Million Smart. Terry finally caught on and rushed to trademark the name. I filed trademark after that since I spent a couple of hours creating the logo and didn't feel like giving it to Terry so easily. Terry recently threatened to sue HyperMart, claiming I was using his trademarked name, American Watch Design, even though he has been given no trademark. HyperMart chose to close my account, which is of little concern to me, since it only hosted one pg which pointed people to the Allison forum. This pg was only known by a handful of people. It has been 2 days since this occurred and it takes a day for a rebuttal to show up here on ripoffreport. So, one day after Terry conned Hypermart to close my account, Lance from Texas knows all about it. That is amazing, Lance! I am sure after a review has been done by HyperMart, they will come to see they have been used and will reinstate my account. Personally I don't need it and don't care if it is reinstated. It served it's purpose long ago.

The Allison forum website I have pointed people to on this site to obtain facts about Terry/Linda/MA/TimeBeat has also recently been closed.

http://pub228.ezboard.com/btruthonmontresallioson.lockedDown

This site was in no way owned or operated by me, it was another good Samaritan who started and managed the site. This site was offered for free by a company called ezboard. Anyone can open a chat site there. Because this company offers free chat rooms every one has to abide by they're rules. The forum was closed because of a rule, which does not allow a forum to post personal information about other people. Since this was a forum to uncover a crook and his associates, it had information about them.

The new site to get information on Terry/Linda/TimeBeat and this scam will be available shortly and will also have a bulletin board for posting messages and questions. Terry will not be able to do anything about this site, because it will be privately owned and operated. I will post the URL as soon as it is ready.

Also, for Jeffrey of Greensboro, North Carolina, or perhaps Terry: I am glad Jeffrey collects cheap watches, I hope this makes him happy. Why doesn't Jeffrey post his amex receipts instead of telling us about them? I hope he also realizes that by taking the back off of his MA watches he has voided the incredible warranty offered by MA. It is nice that Jeffrey and Linda are so concerned with what I do with my time. But they should not worry, I think I can spare an hour or two a week. The world will decide if MA is around for a while, but they will do so with the truth, not the crap Terry and associates give them. When exactly will Jeffrey find out if the watches are a scam with his head buried in the sand? The proof is right in front of him. Many people may like the way MA watches look, that's great. Franck Muller will be pleased. Terry has admitted on several sites that he uses old books of watches long since out of production to get design concepts for his watches. I offer no opinions to how MA watches look, simply that they are all assembled in Hong Kong and as I have pointed out several times now, all first and most expensive MA watches have China movements in them. And, that all MA watches have fake retail values and that MA uses many forms of disinformation to promote themselves.

So far, Linda and Terry have made several blanket statements that I am a liar. However, they have been unable to clarify or deny all the points I have made.
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this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

AUTHOR: Osbourne - (U.S.A.)

I agree that this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it. I personally don't think action is even needed and that 99% of the people won't even consider one of these watches, even if they do even a modicum of research. Here are some reasons why (note that much of it is my opinion, but I think many share my views)

- These watches all look the same. Sure there are some varieties, but it's quite clear by the generic, sterile look of all these cases that they all come from the same machine somewhere.

- They lack any element of a human touch. Even the human-designed dials look cold and artificial... the hallmark of mass production

- They are simply NOT attractive timepieces, being completely devoid of any warmth. Possibly their only saving grace is that they are big and "Mueller-esqe"

- Watches with the exact same or similar design are sold as new (not replica) in hundreds of places on the web. If the brand had any cachet whatsoever, they would try to copy the brand.

- They are highly derided by the horological community. The company is a joke to those who know the industry the best

- The marketing materials for these watches is frightening to say the least. No professional marketing department would allow this copy, which reads like it was written by college students. It is simply TOO glowing and sugary and leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Comapre the MA marketing copy with that of ANY other watch manufacturer and the differences are obvious.

- The online reviews for the watch read much the same although they are purportedly written by different people. I have yet to see a serious and unbiased review for a Montres Allison watch

- One of the online dealers of Montres Allison claimes to sell other brands of fine watches, such as Brietling and Omega. However, the asking prices are several hundreds or thousands of dollars higher than the manufacturer's list, with no apparent reason behind it. Attempts to by anything but an MA watch will return an "out of stock" message

- All of the online touts for MA on various forums and newsgroups (including this one) invariably end in bizzare screaming matches, laced with insults, profanity, and illogical rants. Any reasonable company would be horrified to identify with clientele of this type, and would do everything in their power to distance themselves from people of such ilk.

- Very few fine watch manufacturers would allow their corporate officers to duke it out on Internet chat forums... they pay attorneys to do that in court. To take any other action simply confirms that there is something inherently strange and foul about the company and it's practices.

Put simply, the evidence against Montres Allison is clear, obvious, and easily referenced with only a small amount of searching. On the other hand, almost ALL of the evidence in defense of the company is frequently illogical, shrouded in controversy, or simply not convincing. While it's very true for the company to say that it's under attack and none of the claims can be proven, they miss the point... that the burden of proof lies with them. The public votes with their wallets and pocketbooks, and as such I predict a quick end to this venture. Hopefully information like what has already been posted with help the uninformed to stay far away from this company until that time, as only the truly dim will see this company as a "fine watchmaker"
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#43 Consumer Suggestion

this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

AUTHOR: Osbourne - (U.S.A.)

I agree that this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it. I personally don't think action is even needed and that 99% of the people won't even consider one of these watches, even if they do even a modicum of research. Here are some reasons why (note that much of it is my opinion, but I think many share my views)

- These watches all look the same. Sure there are some varieties, but it's quite clear by the generic, sterile look of all these cases that they all come from the same machine somewhere.

- They lack any element of a human touch. Even the human-designed dials look cold and artificial... the hallmark of mass production

- They are simply NOT attractive timepieces, being completely devoid of any warmth. Possibly their only saving grace is that they are big and "Mueller-esqe"

- Watches with the exact same or similar design are sold as new (not replica) in hundreds of places on the web. If the brand had any cachet whatsoever, they would try to copy the brand.

- They are highly derided by the horological community. The company is a joke to those who know the industry the best

- The marketing materials for these watches is frightening to say the least. No professional marketing department would allow this copy, which reads like it was written by college students. It is simply TOO glowing and sugary and leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Comapre the MA marketing copy with that of ANY other watch manufacturer and the differences are obvious.

- The online reviews for the watch read much the same although they are purportedly written by different people. I have yet to see a serious and unbiased review for a Montres Allison watch

- One of the online dealers of Montres Allison claimes to sell other brands of fine watches, such as Brietling and Omega. However, the asking prices are several hundreds or thousands of dollars higher than the manufacturer's list, with no apparent reason behind it. Attempts to by anything but an MA watch will return an "out of stock" message

- All of the online touts for MA on various forums and newsgroups (including this one) invariably end in bizzare screaming matches, laced with insults, profanity, and illogical rants. Any reasonable company would be horrified to identify with clientele of this type, and would do everything in their power to distance themselves from people of such ilk.

- Very few fine watch manufacturers would allow their corporate officers to duke it out on Internet chat forums... they pay attorneys to do that in court. To take any other action simply confirms that there is something inherently strange and foul about the company and it's practices.

Put simply, the evidence against Montres Allison is clear, obvious, and easily referenced with only a small amount of searching. On the other hand, almost ALL of the evidence in defense of the company is frequently illogical, shrouded in controversy, or simply not convincing. While it's very true for the company to say that it's under attack and none of the claims can be proven, they miss the point... that the burden of proof lies with them. The public votes with their wallets and pocketbooks, and as such I predict a quick end to this venture. Hopefully information like what has already been posted with help the uninformed to stay far away from this company until that time, as only the truly dim will see this company as a "fine watchmaker"
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#44 Consumer Suggestion

this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

AUTHOR: Osbourne - (U.S.A.)

I agree that this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it. I personally don't think action is even needed and that 99% of the people won't even consider one of these watches, even if they do even a modicum of research. Here are some reasons why (note that much of it is my opinion, but I think many share my views)

- These watches all look the same. Sure there are some varieties, but it's quite clear by the generic, sterile look of all these cases that they all come from the same machine somewhere.

- They lack any element of a human touch. Even the human-designed dials look cold and artificial... the hallmark of mass production

- They are simply NOT attractive timepieces, being completely devoid of any warmth. Possibly their only saving grace is that they are big and "Mueller-esqe"

- Watches with the exact same or similar design are sold as new (not replica) in hundreds of places on the web. If the brand had any cachet whatsoever, they would try to copy the brand.

- They are highly derided by the horological community. The company is a joke to those who know the industry the best

- The marketing materials for these watches is frightening to say the least. No professional marketing department would allow this copy, which reads like it was written by college students. It is simply TOO glowing and sugary and leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Comapre the MA marketing copy with that of ANY other watch manufacturer and the differences are obvious.

- The online reviews for the watch read much the same although they are purportedly written by different people. I have yet to see a serious and unbiased review for a Montres Allison watch

- One of the online dealers of Montres Allison claimes to sell other brands of fine watches, such as Brietling and Omega. However, the asking prices are several hundreds or thousands of dollars higher than the manufacturer's list, with no apparent reason behind it. Attempts to by anything but an MA watch will return an "out of stock" message

- All of the online touts for MA on various forums and newsgroups (including this one) invariably end in bizzare screaming matches, laced with insults, profanity, and illogical rants. Any reasonable company would be horrified to identify with clientele of this type, and would do everything in their power to distance themselves from people of such ilk.

- Very few fine watch manufacturers would allow their corporate officers to duke it out on Internet chat forums... they pay attorneys to do that in court. To take any other action simply confirms that there is something inherently strange and foul about the company and it's practices.

Put simply, the evidence against Montres Allison is clear, obvious, and easily referenced with only a small amount of searching. On the other hand, almost ALL of the evidence in defense of the company is frequently illogical, shrouded in controversy, or simply not convincing. While it's very true for the company to say that it's under attack and none of the claims can be proven, they miss the point... that the burden of proof lies with them. The public votes with their wallets and pocketbooks, and as such I predict a quick end to this venture. Hopefully information like what has already been posted with help the uninformed to stay far away from this company until that time, as only the truly dim will see this company as a "fine watchmaker"
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#45 Consumer Suggestion

this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it

AUTHOR: Osbourne - (U.S.A.)

I agree that this company is an obvious scam, and that anyone with a six-year-old's intelligence could see right through it. I personally don't think action is even needed and that 99% of the people won't even consider one of these watches, even if they do even a modicum of research. Here are some reasons why (note that much of it is my opinion, but I think many share my views)

- These watches all look the same. Sure there are some varieties, but it's quite clear by the generic, sterile look of all these cases that they all come from the same machine somewhere.

- They lack any element of a human touch. Even the human-designed dials look cold and artificial... the hallmark of mass production

- They are simply NOT attractive timepieces, being completely devoid of any warmth. Possibly their only saving grace is that they are big and "Mueller-esqe"

- Watches with the exact same or similar design are sold as new (not replica) in hundreds of places on the web. If the brand had any cachet whatsoever, they would try to copy the brand.

- They are highly derided by the horological community. The company is a joke to those who know the industry the best

- The marketing materials for these watches is frightening to say the least. No professional marketing department would allow this copy, which reads like it was written by college students. It is simply TOO glowing and sugary and leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Comapre the MA marketing copy with that of ANY other watch manufacturer and the differences are obvious.

- The online reviews for the watch read much the same although they are purportedly written by different people. I have yet to see a serious and unbiased review for a Montres Allison watch

- One of the online dealers of Montres Allison claimes to sell other brands of fine watches, such as Brietling and Omega. However, the asking prices are several hundreds or thousands of dollars higher than the manufacturer's list, with no apparent reason behind it. Attempts to by anything but an MA watch will return an "out of stock" message

- All of the online touts for MA on various forums and newsgroups (including this one) invariably end in bizzare screaming matches, laced with insults, profanity, and illogical rants. Any reasonable company would be horrified to identify with clientele of this type, and would do everything in their power to distance themselves from people of such ilk.

- Very few fine watch manufacturers would allow their corporate officers to duke it out on Internet chat forums... they pay attorneys to do that in court. To take any other action simply confirms that there is something inherently strange and foul about the company and it's practices.

Put simply, the evidence against Montres Allison is clear, obvious, and easily referenced with only a small amount of searching. On the other hand, almost ALL of the evidence in defense of the company is frequently illogical, shrouded in controversy, or simply not convincing. While it's very true for the company to say that it's under attack and none of the claims can be proven, they miss the point... that the burden of proof lies with them. The public votes with their wallets and pocketbooks, and as such I predict a quick end to this venture. Hopefully information like what has already been posted with help the uninformed to stay far away from this company until that time, as only the truly dim will see this company as a "fine watchmaker"
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#46 Consumer Comment

Look here to tell that Morgan is lying.....

AUTHOR: Lance - (U.S.A.)

He was challenged to do a lie detector test and acted like he will at the end of his last message but if you read the message he states that he will only do a lie detector if law enforcement makes him do it. That isn't the same as taking a private lie detector test to prove what you are saying is true and I don't think law enforcement can force anybody to take a lie detector test.

And what happened to Morgan's websites? It takes a lot to get an ISP to kick you off the internet. Looks like they believe he is harassing these Montres Allison people.

Morgan looks like a scam artist after reading through how he bounced that check by putting stop pay on it and then tried to con Montres Allison into giving them more and more watches on their signature. What a good laugh. I think I'm gonna pee. We'll bounce a check to you, but give us more and more free stuff!!!
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#47 Consumer Comment

Montres Allison's are great watches

AUTHOR: Jeffrey - (U.S.A.)

I have bought 4 Montres Allison watches and have the Amex bills to prove it. I love them. I get more comments on them than any other watch I own. I own over 20 high end watches. I have taken two of them apart to look at them. I am very happy with the quality of the movement. I dont really care where they are assembled. They are nice affordable wayches with a great amount of style. If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Leave the rest of use alone. Scott, you are not the guardian of watch collectors, I don't care about all your crap. I like my watches, two of my friends like their watches. If it is a scam tahn we will find out soon enough. My suggestion to you is get a hobby or a life maybe and let the world decised if Allison watches will be around for years or not. I erge anyone considering buying a Montres Allison to do so. You cant buy a nice timex for what you can get a really nice Allison for. You will be happy with the watch, you will get many complents on it. I am looking forward to the new models as I will be buying some of them.
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#48 Author of original report

Readers, be aware Terry posts messages all over the web in different names.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Readers, be aware Terry posts messages all over the web in different names. Suddenly, all the satisfied MA watch owners have found this rip-off report and posted messages at the same time.

Below is a link, which shows Terry Allison pretending to be some one named Ian on a watch forum called Watchpark. Terry was posting on this forum as well as another forum called animal house simultaneously, using the same expressions. When he was exposed for posting under a fake name, the entire Watchpark forum disappeared moments later.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/watch%20park%20debates%20go%20south%20for%20lt.htm

Below is the link to the watch forum, animal house, where Terry posted too. Read the posts made by Terry and note his reference to girls.

Warning: This is not a professional site, it is a private forum and the content may be offensive to some people. Having said that, the people here are honest and very knowledgeable watch collectors.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=141863&messageid=1049856459

I will cover theyre lies and spins here. I have placed the rants of Terry Allison and Linda Allison here with my responses in between their comments and statements. My replies are denoted by a number and or an asterisk. I only cover the rebuts made to June 24, after that the posts are simply not worthy of my time.

Remember, Scott Morgan is sleeping with Terrys ex-wife.

1. * Now, Im sleeping with Terrys ex? Sorry, I am happily married and not sleeping with Terrys soon to be ex-wife.

What does Scott Morgan have to gain, he wants a piece of the company so he and Terrys ex-wife can live like a king, so they are thinking if they cant have a piece of the action, they might as well state false facts that they cant even back up.

2. * Terry claims he doesnt have any official assets in MA, how does he live like a king? And, how would I live like a king?

First, Scott Morgan sold Montres Allison watches as a dealer.

3. * Before I knew anything about watches or how much Terry was ripping people off, I tried to sell Montres Allison watches. I was a friend of Terrys and had no reason to doubt the things he told me. He offered to let us make money selling his watches in return for work we did for his company. But Terry Allison was so flaky, he couldnt make up his mind what he wanted to do. He hijacked the first auctions from me when we used the name Watchea, which Terry gave us permission to use. This has all been explained on the Allison truth forum for people who want the truth.

http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

Second, he never paid for the watches he sold, and Montes Allison reported him to the police for theft.

4. * Payment to Linda and Terry for 2 or 3 watches was stopped, because Terry and Linda had a nasty habit of flaking out and hijacking auctions and told us they would not honor the deal we had in place with them during our final auctions. I have never heard of any police report or charge of theft regarding this issue. We lost a great deal of money working with these crooks. Why would they let us continue to sell watches well after we stopped a check to them? There was plenty of time between the two sets of auctions for them to stop us or resolve that issue. The answer is that the issue was indeed resolved.

* In fact, the state of Colorado does not think Linda Allison is trustworthy enough to work with money in any capacity for the local casinos. She lost her gaming license working as an accountant before becoming a watch guru. This info is at:

http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

Third, most of the Montres Allison watches uses ETA movements, remember no watch is totally Swiss, parts come from all over the country, as long as 51 percent of the parts are Swiss, then it can me called Swiss.

5. * NONE of the FIRST MA WATCHES have ETA movements. And China produces some nice fakes of ETAs, so until it is verified they are indeed ETA, the point is irrelevant regarding the newer models. The watches Terry tried to bribe people with on a watch forum have alleged ETA in them, but several of these knowledgeable watch people think they may be fake. Go ask for yourself just follow use the URL below.

* Warning: This is not a professional site, it is a private forum and the content may be offensive to some people. Having said that, the people here are honest and very knowledgeable watch collectors.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/141863

Fourth, what does Scott Morgan have to gain by this, the answer is nothing. They are sore that the court rule against Terrys wife of receiving any part of Montres Allison,. so its time to destroy someone elses life, because his ex-wife is not happy.

Fifth, I own 7 Allison watches and love all of them. They are great pieces with great movements.

6. * Exactly, I have nothing to gain from exposing this scam. Nothing but the satisfaction of preventing these people from ripping of as many people as they can. Also, there has been no ruling for Mandy Allison to receive or not receive anything from Terry or Montres Allison. The divorce has not been finalized yet. I suggest checking your facts first or least report them correctly. I would love to see your receipts for all 7 watches, why dont you make them available for us?

My Fabulous Allison Watch

Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
I am extremely excited about owning several Montres Allison watches. Not only are they beautiful in style but the highly polished movements have captured several of my friends whom also purchased Montres allison watches. I have been on several business trips and everyone marveled about the Allison watch with the Swiss eta movement or the German movement with sapphire crystal and alligator band. This unique watch at this unique price, is a fantastic value, and I recommend this watch to anyone, who wants to add this to their watch collection.

7. * What is the German Movement? No other watchmaker, especially in the high-end market, such as MA claims to be a part of, have such a problem telling people what the movements are. They claim it is proprietary and cannot give out that info. The only reason they finally admit to allegedly using ETA besides they hadnt until now, is that ETA doesnt allow private label watches to claim an ETA is anything but an ETA.

I don't get it....... It seems like you're up to no good.

8. * I dont get it either. Youre up to no good, Youre a trouble maker these are the exact same statements used by Terry all over the internet pretending to be other people.

A number of companies use distribution channels under different names that they own. If you go to www.deboywatches.com website you can see that Deboy says that they are the distribution unit of Montres Allison. This means to me that they are probably under the same ownership.

So what's your point? You're acting like they are hiding something because Deboy is apparently owned by Montres Allison. That info is right out there for anybody to see on their website and probably doesn't need to be.

Who cares if a company uses another company that they own to distribute their products?

You ever go to the grocery store and look at the store brands ---- They're under different brands than the name of the store, but you know that the store owns the brand. The same goes for jewelry, etc.

GM and other companies finance their own vehicles.

Shoe stores sell their own brand under different names. Clothing stores, too.

It happens all the time. And you're trying to spin this into some scam? I am utterly amazed.

9. * So, the look of Deboy Watches has recently changed and added they are a distributor for MA. So what! This is all new, I have the website saved where this is not indicated. Terry changes his websites constantly adding and removing information as his scam is exposed. In fact, they were forced to put that there, because of the post on the Allison forum, which proved Terry and Linda are Deboy Watches. Montres Allison doesnt say Deboy Watches is a distribution channel, it says they are an authorized dealer next to several other authorized dealers. This is misleading and Terry L. Allison II personally told me why, So we look larger and well-established.

http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

And looking at this company's watches... There's no way they could cost only $30 to manufacture. And they even give lifetime warranties to their customers. It cost me $400 to have my Rolex serviced recently. Their (Montres Allison's) customers seem to get that kind of service for free.

10. * Point in fact, many MA watches did cost within 30-35 dollars to make, two examples are the Jour et Nuit and the Jitana, which is the same movement with a different dial. Of course, these are the first MA watches made, which have been discontinued by MA. Why does a company introduce several new watches and discontinue them less than a year later? Below is a link to the price list from Million Smart, the company in Hong Kong where they get the watches made. It makes no difference what theyre newest watches cost, the report was done showing theyre older China movement watches. Anyone can get this and more from Million Smart.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Millionsmartpricelist.doc

* Below are some corresponding model numbers from Million Smart.

* Mas Jour et nuit is model: MS22001G Automatic flying tourbillon series
Price: US$31.00 FOB H.K. depending on quantity.

* MAs Master Calendar/Etalon Master is model: R13 cost is 30-40 dollars.

* If you dont want to appear foolish then do your homework.

* If Terry wants to claim Million Smart is making counterfeit MA watches, then lets go together to the U.S. Customs Dept and the FTC and file a complaint. Im sure we can get them in some trouble and at least slow the tide of your alleged counterfeit MA watches flowing so freely into the country.

* Rolex is costly to have maintenance done on them, because they are actually valuable watches and the service done to them is very high quality. Montres Allison watches, on the other hand, can have two lifetime warranties, because they are so cheap to make. It is cheaper to replace an entire movement or watch, than to repair it. This is why Terry stopped taking his watches to this repair shop in Arvada, Colorado. I went with him to this shop and he had at least 30 MA watches in a large zip lock bag, which needed repair. Later, Terry told me his partner Tony Pham from Million Smart said to just send them back to him he would replace them.

* Precion Watch, Clock & Jewelry, Inc.
8770 Wadsworth, #D
Arvada, Co 80003
303-421-9609

* Dont bother threatening this shop with law suits, I already have the proof Terry took his watches there.

And then you're showing that a company that Allison owned had a bad BBB record? That's a joke. Just like on this website, anybody can say anything about a company and if you haven't paid to be a "member" then you can have your reputation damaged. All companies have upset customers. And it looks like by the dates of this stuff that this could have happened around the September 11th stuff when many businesses tanked and the economy really took a turn for the worse.

11. * If you dont want to believe the BBB, then try the reporters who covered the story. If it was economy related, Im sure Terry and Travis would have indicated that to the press. The links are on the beginning of the report. Or perhaps we should contact the victims of that scam and see if they buy your spin. Go watch the The Factor, NO spin Zone here.

And doing some reading on the internet, it shows that Allison is known as Allison II and these documents don't show "Allison II." A quick search shows many Terry Allisons all over the globe. How can you be sure that this is this particular one?

And it looks like the company Amerideck had a different owner according to the Colo Sec of state and that news report. Who's to say that Allison didn't sell his company to somebody else? After all... He's been in the watch business quite a long time. I remember him from early watchnet and timezone days.

12. * Terry Allison, Terry Allison II, Terry L. Allison II, whats the difference? He can pretend to be high class all he wants to. Its all the same person. The fact that Terry is here spinning his web of lies would indicate we have the correct Terry. Are you really this slow?

Oh... and those pictures of the tourbillons that you posted ..... The tourbillon carriage is in the opposite position of each other and this means that those movements must be completely different and the carriages and balances look completely different. The dials do look similar though, but you obviously don't know what youre talking about or are trying to intentionally confuse people.

And a number of those watches that you list as having confirmed Chinese movements? If you look at the pictures on the web, you can easily see that those watches have ETA (Swiss made) movements. Other movements I've only seen on the MA watches, so I don't have any clue where they are from. The watches with guaranteed ETA movements are the Evolution I & II, Etalon I & II that I'm looking at on the www right now. Why are you trying to confuse people?

It seems like you're up to no good.

13. * Terry had both pictures of that tourbillon with the carriage on either side of the watch on the MA website. Did he take the one off so you could make this ridiculous argument that they arent the same watch? Try to keep up, I was there when these $100,000 beauties came in?

* This will make you feel better, a link below to show Terrys website when it had both styles of tourbillon pictured. Select tourbillon from the drop down menu. They are the toubillon and toubillon II.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/All%20MA%20watches_files/showcasemainxxx.htm

* The new MA tourbillon is the same thing with different dials, so what? It doesnt trick anyone.

more info on montresallison's website.......

I just looked at their history page........

And here is what it says

"Horologically speaking, watchmaking originated in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux. Ensvizzengarten, located in the high mountains near Nederland, CO, is the home of Montres Allison wristwatches. While a world away from the Swiss origin of watchmaking, Montres Allison produces some of the finest timepieces available in the world today using Montres Allison in-house movements, ETA Swiss Made movements, and ebauches and calibres from various regions and manufacturers around the world. Non-inhouse components absolutely must be manufactured to the precise standards required in Montres Allison luxury timepieces. Montres Allison is proud that it will not be limited to only one geographic region in the selection of parts, movements, and components in the manufacture of its luxury timepieces. Montres Allison utilizes the best technology and engineers in the world during the design and manufacture processes. With assembly, engineering, service and design processes being performed in New York, NY, USA; Ipsach, Switzerland; Nederland, CO, USA; Japan, Russia, Germany, China, and Hong Kong, Montres Allison is truly a global presence in the luxury wristwatch industry. Montres Allison has holdings in Movado, Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, DeBoy Watches (worldwide distributor), American Watch Design, and Progress Watch Corporation (Swiss tourbillon manufacturer) and is an subsidiary of Timebeat.com Enterprises, Inc. (OTCBB: TMBT). Click Here for the corporate website."

1. They show the word ensvizengarden as the home of Montres Allison watches and mention the city it is near. They don't claim that that word is a town.

2. They detail various countries and regions used in the production of their watches. That information is on their history page.

3. They mention holdings in Deboy Watches. Telling all of us who read it that the two companies are owned by the same people.

Your acting like they aren't disclosing things? But they are. Its obvious that you are trying to confuse people. Why?

14. * A great deal of the MA history pg was taken from a legitimate watchmaker site, RGM watches. http://www.rgmwatches.com/. I have a laughable flier Terry made and was going to send to potential dealers, which steals a lot of quotes from RGM. This same info was all over MAs website, but they have been cutting back on the plagiarism.

What Swiss Made means..

Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
I got this quote from this webpage: http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm

The page is owned by the federation of the swiss watch industry. This quote is down toward the bottom of the page. Notice how much percentage of components must be manufactured in swizterland to be called swiss made. only 50% Where do other parts come from for comapies who write swiss made on their watches?

"Moreover, a law "regulating the use of the name 'Swiss' for watches" sets out the minimum conditions that have to be fulfilled before a watch merits the "Swiss made" label.

This law is based on a concept according to which Swiss quality depends on the amount of work actually carried out on a watch in Switzerland, even if some foreign components are used in it. It therefore requires that the assembly work on the movement (the motor of the watch) and on the watch itself (fitting the movement with the dial, hands and the various parts of the case) should be carried out in Switzerland, along with the final testing of the movement. It also requires that at least 50% of the components of the movement should be manufactured in Switzerland."

I don't know how much better a Swiss assembly person could be than somebody else who does the exact same career in a different country in assembly work. I don't think they could be much better at all.

15. * What Swiss means? What is your point? Are you admitting that skilled workers from Hong Kong are assembling MA watches? I never said anything about Swiss watches, although, MA is in violation of import laws by not marking the country of origin on their watches. Unfortunately, this is not of high concern to Customs right now, but that could change.

Response to Mr. Scott Morgan

The posts on this website are full of half truths as are all of the other posts made by Scott Morgan on other websites and forums.

I am the sole owner of DeBoy Watches. I have been since its inception in December 2001. At this time Deboy Watches is the sole distributor on Montres Allison Watches and we have a number of dealers including some retail stores.

DeBoy Watches is located in Gilpin County Colorado and I run the business out of the lower portion of my home in an area that is dedicated solely to the business. I have named the property Ensvizzengarten. What I choose to call my property is of no concern to anyone.

16. * We already know Terry and Linda own Deboy Watches, they were forced to come clean already. After this information was posted on the Allison forum.

http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

17. * Please tell us the name of your retail outlets, or do they need protection from the world too? I have never ever heard of any company in sales, which doesnt ever, ever want their retail outlets known.

DeBoy Watches is the only name that I have used to sell Montres Allison Watches. I challenge Mr. Scott Morgan to prove otherwise. That statement of his that, Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches, which they claim are authorized dealers. is a blatant lie.

18. * Ok, here you go. Im sure they will tell us all that it wasnt them, but maybe family or friends that used these names. It makes no difference whether they personally sold under these or they just set up family and friends to sell, the cause and effect is the same.
* Deboy Watches: Linda now forced to admit to using this name. It was recommended by Terry and Linda to me to use fake names when dealing with customers. Terry has several.

* Watchea: Also the name of a watch forum Terry operates. Try posting anything truthful about MA watches there. Also, Terry set us up to use this account on ebay than stole it back during our auctions which included non MA items.

* Below is a link showing ownership of Watchea. Cameron Garcia is a friend of Terry and occasional business associate. There is more than this old filing showing more current ownership of Watchea. With the Name Allison on it.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Search%20Network%20Solutions%20whois%20records%20in%20the%20whois%20section%20of%20netsol_com.htm

* Wolgram Watches: Lindas maiden name and the seller is in the area where her brother lives.

*Viking watches: This was actually Travis Slaathaugs/Terrys. Travis is Terrys good friend and fellow scam artist from the deck company. He lives in South Dakota as his website below indicates.

http://www.slaathauggolf.com/

* Below is a link to a receipt for Viking watches signed by Travis, and an address in SD.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Viking%20watches.jpg

* Also, Travis has been linked to a website which offers alleged MA fakes. This information has been posted at the Allison forum as well. I would wager no one could tell the difference between these replica movements and their MA counterparts. Terry, of course, knows this, but does nothing to shut down yet another source of counterfeits. Check out the link below.

http://www.allisonreplicas.com/

* WatchesCentral, formerly Normanorman: I suspect this was Terry as well.

* Im sure there were more than this because, Terry told me he used several seller names. How many distribution channels does this little company need?

Elsie is another way of using my initials, L. C. I have been called that for several years by family members as a family joke. For a short period of time I did use the name Elsie in dealing with customers. So did Scotts wife when she and Scott were selling Montres Allison Watches under the ebay user name andrewashleigh. After a week or so I found it to be too confusing and discontinued the practice. I have never tried to hide from my customers. I have always been totally accountable for all my sales and actions.


19. * Thats great that Lindas family calls her Elsie, how would the customers who talked to Elsie know that? She may have stopped using that alias, but only after I posted it on several web sites. Im sure we will find many people who have mail from Linda/Elsie covering much more than 1 week. I personally have several emails from her covering more than several weeks. Linda and Terry suggested we use alternate names as well which we found to be odd, but they claimed we would be harassed if we didnt. We used our real names when dealing with all our customers who received free MA watches.

* Why dont they explain away the aliases Terry uses, Jim, Walt, Bob, etc? Is it standard business practice to use fake names when giving out your info to other businesses? Terry once told me he gave the Dupont Registry a fake name so he could get out of his deal with them if he wanted to. I called the Dupont Registry and informed them they might have the incorrect information on the person who signed up for the MA advertising. This was confirmed by them, Terry did give them an incorrect name.

Everyone that participates in these disgusting chat rooms uses an alias. For example, Mr. Morgan has posted on several forums as Just Fletch, Nemesis, pony_girl and numerous others.

20. * Linda should learn the difference between an internet handle for chat rooms and faking out your customers. By the way, Nemesis was the name Terry is suspected to use while threatening himself on a bulletin board. Why are the chat rooms disgusting? Because they expose Linda and her boy for what they are?

Mr. Morgan has a website that is totally dedicated to the destruction on the Montres Allison name.

21. * Yes, I have a web site which will tell all about this scam, so what is your point? It isnt even up yet, and you wouldnt know that unless you were trolling around the truth on Allison forum. And since you are there, why dont you dispel all these lies? Terry himself owns several anti MA web domains. Here is one of them: http://www.montres-allison-scam.com/

We have chosen to make our auctions private to protect our satisfied customers from harassment and spam sent to them by Mr. Scott Morgan and his internet associates.

We have had many compliments from our customers. We have had 497 positive feedbacks with 455 being from unique users. We have no negative feedback. I have had several customers forward emails to me that were sent to them by Mr. Morgan under one of his aliases. I will continue to keep my feedback private to protect my customers and bidders from harassment by Mr. Morgan and his associates

22. * If MA offered a descent product at a reasonable price they wouldnt have to hide their customers from anyone. Their auctions were private long before my arrival on the scene and so were the other people telling the truth out there. From what I hear, no one has ever complained about being contacted and given the opportunity to get to the truth.

* Linda/Terry have had negative feedback they simply get it removed, while using another seller name. I know of people who have left negative feedback. They ship their product on time, good for them, it doesnt take much more than that for good feedback on ebay. What is there to protect thyre customers from, the truth?

Mr. Morgans association with me and DeBoy watches goes back over a year. He and his wife were friends of Terry Allison and wanted to become involved in the watch business. They were offered the opportunity to sell watches on the internet like every other dealer of Montres Allison Watches at that time. The deal was, you sell a watch on ebay, collect the money, pay me for the watch and I will either ship it for you as I do for other dealers, or give it to you to ship yourself. When they sold their first 2 watches on ebay they brought me a check for both watches and I gave them the watches with all the appropriate paperwork, etc. They shipped the watches to their customers and proceeded to stop payment on the check. They wanted me to hold the title on their old Blazer (with transmission problems) as collateral on a months supply of watches for them to sell. I declined their request. I am not a bank! Mr. Morgan was demanding that I give him a percentage of my business, which I also refused to do. Mr. Morgan was always demanding free watches for his personal use. He was given a couple, but enough was enough. When I refused to play the game according to Mr. Morgans rules he went ballistic. He forced his way into my home and became very destructive. He was throwing computer equipment and papers around. The police had to be called. That same day Mr. Morgan vowed to destroy Montres Allison and Terry Allison. Before fleeing from the property that day, just before the sheriff deputies arrived, Mr. Morgan told Terrys wife that he had been cheating on her (another lie). As a result Terrys wife left him that day. This can be verified with the Gilpin County Sheriffs department should anyone choose to challenge me on this information.

23. * This check was stopped because Terry high-jacked our auctions the first time, then Linda and Terry indicated they would not honor their deal with us to supply the watches on the final auctions. We were using an account called Watchea, which Terry and Linda had used before and gave us to use. They had control over the ebay account and went in stopped the auctions and changed the passwords. We stopped payment to try and cover our losses. As usual, Lindas/Terrys spin on the facts are scewed. This was the deal: We run our auctions, after the auction they would give us the watches we would ship them and we would split the money when we got it. After we parted ways, by Terrys design, they decided they would not ship the watches until after they were paid in advance for the watches. Because of the collective flakiness in the past arrangements, we had no way to know if Linda/Terry would even send the watches after payment. We bent over backwards to come to an agreement with them to get our customers their watches. They would not function. Because of their refusal to hold up their end of the deal, I sent all the auction winners 2 or 3 free MA watches, which were given to me by Terry for modeling and promotional use. Of course, I have that in an email sent to me by Terry himself. We even paid the shipping for all those free watches. I also have the contract Terry made offering a percentage of Montres Allison to me in exchange for certain work to be done for them. How did I manage to demand and get 20 watches from them?

* There was an incident in which Terry and me had an argument and Terry called the police. Terry often attempts to manipulate the police or other legal agencies. This was coincidentally on the day I was to meet with Terry and Linda to discuss part ownership of the company. I have Terry on tape admitting this as well. We had done a lot of work for free to help Terry and Linda out and when we refused to give them any more free work or the contact information of several celebrities we had, Terry chose to end the relationship. I didnt have to force my way into anything, since I was invited in by Terry, prior to the argument. Terry made many claims that I tried to attack him, destroyed the house, and tried to steal $500,000 dollars worth of watches all this at the same time. When the Sheriff asked to go in and look at the total destruction of the house, Terry, of course, refused to let him in. Since Linda was there for none of this, I think anyone can challenge her on this. The police left without giving me so much as a ticket. And finally, Terrys wife did not leave him that day, he threw her and the children out. Somehow, it is my fault Terry cheated on his wife? I have Terry L. Allison on tape admitting to kicking his family out, as well as changing the bank account information so his wife could not access any of it. His kids were practically naked, hungry and homeless. If Terry paid any attention in his domestic violence counseling classes he would know that keeping complete control over all money and using it to control anothers behavior is deemed financial abuse.

* I for one think it is commendable that Terry and Linda have come forward to tell the truth, especially since they know I already put all this information out there and they have no choice.
http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

Mr. Morgan has taken his personal vendetta to the internet. The website that he has dedicated to the destruction on Montres Allison has posts on it that are in no way related to the watch business. Some of them are lewd, and in my opinion pornographic. There have been death threats posted on that forum against me and my family. The posts were removed from the forum, but not before I was able to print them.

24. *Yes, I have them printed out as well. If it scares Linda, I recommend she tell Terry to stop posting them. My posts are related to exposing the watch scam, any other scam Linda or Terry may be or have been involved in, and exposing the general character of them all. This way people can decide if they wish to buy from them or not.


Mr. Morgan has no idea how much it costs to manufacture Montres Allison watches. I again challenge him to prove his allegations. Anyone can get estimates on manufacturing watches asking that the cheapest possible components be used. Mr. Morgan has no ideal what the cost to run a business is. His allegations are a simply a figment of his overactive imagination. If he were to devote as much time to his own interests as he has been devoting to destroying me, he would be a very rich man.

25. *Youre right all I have are quotes from your supplier to make me the exact same watches. And emails from Million Smart claiming they make all Montres Allison watches. Million Smart doesnt even charge for the making of custom dials if you order 100 or more watches.

*Below is a link to an email sent to me from Million Smart where we discuss my obtaining the one of two exact same movements Terry had listed on his site as coming soon. Of course, this movement is not on there now.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/Mail%20from%20millionsmart-makes%20all%20ma%20watches.htm

* The above message also contains comments from the Million Smart representative indicating all the work they do for Allison. This is one of several emails between us where MA is discussed. I have edited out my email address to prevent Terry and his cronies from sending harassing emails. The actual message shows all it needs to in case it is ever required.

* Below is a link to a pic of both movements I could have obtained. (How would Terry have claimed they were imitations then?)

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/bothexclusivemvmnts.jpg

*Below is the MA website with all watches represented. To see the same movements offered me, just select the Travelor dumonde and the Grande Calendiere from his drop down menu. It appears that watches which havent been made yet are discontinued.

* The drop down menu at bottom of pg may be hard to spot in Netscape.

http://users.americanisp.net/~iamratman/All%20MA%20watches_files/showcasemainxxx.htm

26. * Linda, runs the company, but does she know what it costs to make her watches? Does she know where her watches are made?

I run the company and challenge Mr. Morgan to prove that I am anything but totally honest.

I am tired of seeing all of the untruths posted all over the internet by Mr. Morgan.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to contact me.

Linda Allison
303-399-5445
linda@deboywatches.com

Here is a challenge to stop this nonsense...

Mr. Morgan:

In a "voluntary statement" given to the Gilplin County Sheriff's office, you stated that you would pay for a polygraph test to confirm the truthfulness of your statements.

I challenge you to accept my offer of my full payment for polygraph tests for you, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison in regards to the criminal charges I face and harassment I have received due to your (plural) false allegations.

I will pay for a polygraph test and concurrent urinalysis (to prevent the use of any drugs that may affect the outcome of the test(s)).

In this test you will be asked questions regarding the business relationship, the bounced check your wife wrote to our company, your acts of violence, and the false allegations you (plural) have raised.

If you have nothing to hide, then you will gladly partake in this lie detector test. I will gladly pay for any and all of you. If one of you refuses to take the test, then I will still pay for the others. Any "mix-and=match" will be satisfactory. Of course, any person who refuses to take the test will have his/her integrity questioned.

I will give you one month from today's date to accept this challenge so that the world can see you for what you really are, and so they can learn the truth about your (again, plural) false allegations.

If you have forgotten your voluntary statement to Gilpin County, I will post a followup showing a scan (or a link to a scan) of your written and signed statement.

Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison

27. * No problem! I will expect Terry Allison to join us in our lie detecting. I will put my word up against his any day of the week. If any law enforcement agency asks for a test, I will gladly do so. Terry can clear up everything about his watches, Deck Stars, abusing his wife and kids, stalking his soon to be ex, as well as my family.


* Here are just some of the questions I expect Terry to be able to answer:

* 1. Have your watches ever been made in Hong Kong by Million Smart?
* 2. Have your watches ever been made with China movements?
* 3. Have any of your watches cost 30 to 50 dollars to make.
* 4. Have you ever made counterfeit money?
* 5. Have you ever sold phony tax payer identification numbers in a scam claiming to clear up peoples credit?
* 6. Did you rip any one off with your deck company, regardless of what name it operated under at any given time?
* 7. Did you have sexual intercourse with your current wife when she was 14 or 15 years old and you were in your twenties committing statutory rape?
* 8. Did you have a business deal with Scott Morgan in which you decided not to honor your part?
* 9. Do you run several websites and post messages about your watches with more than five names?
* 10. Did you ever sell counterfeit watches like Rolex or Tag under a company name of Rocky Mountain Replicas?

If its good enough for me, then it should be good enough for him. As he said, anyone who refuses has an integrity problem. Terry likes to give terms and deadlines for challenges, but he has never met any challenge given to him by other people on watch forums. Lets be sure to include Linda and Terrys former business associates like Travis Slaathaug.

* Also, Terry should make up his mind, did we bounce a check or stop payment on it? There is only one check out there, so it cant be both.

Useful links...

Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
Here is a link to some useful pictures of documents in this case:

http://www.montresallison.net/harassment

And here is a neat link, too: http://www.montresallison.net/ensvizzengarten

28. * Terry Allison tried to manufacture enough evidence to support a restraining order on me. There was already an order in place keeping him away from my house. Im guessing this was simply a ploy to impeach testimony I might be needed to give in his upcoming stalking case. Terry pestered the police, calling them several times a day because he was so worried about his safety. When it came time to appear in court to justify this action, Terry was a no-show. He didnt even send legal representation in his absence. The case was thrown out by the judge.

Here is a link to the JCK Las Vegas show...

Rebuttal Entered: 6/24/2003 Modified: 6/24/2003
(in which over 30,000 companies were represented).

Our luxury timepieces were featured in front of these thousands and thousands of other companies in the watch and jewelry business.

Here is the link: http://www.montresallison.com/jck2003/

If our company was clandestine in nature, why in the heck would we showcase our beautiful timepieces amongst the likes of all of the other luxury watch manufacturers and thousands and thousands of jewelers who, upon review, could make very damaging comments if our timepieces were less than what we say?

Look at the facts. Scott Morgan, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison have ulterior motives. We're out here in the open representing ourselves and our products and companies. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison

29. * Anyone with some jewelry and the fee to have a booth can do this show. I saw the pics posted on MAs site for this event. I noticed none of the first watches made the trip. Why didnt MA show their original works at the show, not even just for nostalgia and pride for the workmanship of theyre first watches? Why wouldnt a watch seller want to show off all their timepieces, especially ones that allegedly retail for 20,000 dollars? Terry and Linda try so hard to convince others of my business ignorance, but it seems to me that if I can sell even one 20 thousand dollar watch from this show, it would be worth placing one in my case for potential buyers. The same concept would apply to theyre 10 thousand and 5 thousand dollar models. Oh, I forgot they are discontinued, even though you can still get them through authorized dealers such as Deboy or Timebeat.

* Why werent the following models represented? Some of them just came out this year, some not mentioned below havent even come out yet. Were here because MA used the watches below to rip off enough people so they could eventually try to make real watches.

1. * Jour et Nuit 2. Slaathaug master calendiere 3. Jitana 4. Master Calendar now named Master Calendar/Etalon Master because Franck Muller lawyers sent a threatening letter to MA 5. Couer De Temps 6. Etalon 7. Reserve De Marche 8. Tourbillon 9. Ciclone 10. Energie 11. Uragano 12. Tourbo Billion 13. 14. Evolution.

* The professionals at this event would have laughed Terry/Linda/Timbeats Franck Muller rip off right out the front doors. Our motives are quite obvious. We hide nothing about our motives to stop theyre scam. Note that at no time has Terry or Linda using there actual names accused me of lying specifically about the watch models I mentioned on pg 1 being cheap China made.

* See you at the lie detecting!

*For the readers: I forget this site does not transform URL's into links automatically, so when I mention links for you to click on simply copy the URL I provide and paste it into youre browser.
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#49 REBUTTAL Owner of company

this is america the land of the free and hot apple pie

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

I DONT CARE WHO IS SLEEPING WITH WHOM, PEOPLES PRIVATE LIFES ARE PERSONAL. SCOTT MOGAN HAS THINGS MIX UP, IF YOU HATE A PERSON DONT DESTROY A COMPANY FOR IT WITH LIES AND HALF TRUTHS, YOU HAVE BLACK MAILED MANY PEOPLE, I WONT STAND FOR IT, SCOTT PURCHASE WATCHES FROM MONTRES ALLISON , SOLD THEM TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO LOVED THEM, SPEND THE MONEY ON DRUGS AND BOOZE, TERRI TOOKM HIM IN LIKE A BROTHER, WHAT DOES SCOTT DO, BLACK MAIL HIM, SO HE CAN HAVE ANOTHER FIX. SO FAR SCOTT MORGAN HAS NOT DENINED HE RECEIVED WATCHES FROM MONTRES ALLISON , HE HAS NOT DENINED HIS CHECKS BOUNCE, HE HAS NOT SHOW ANY PROFF AT ALL EXCEPT AND ARTICIAL THAT WAS PAST AROUND, AND WROTE BY A TIMEZONE.COM PERSON, AND NOT THE ARTICIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED, BECAUSE TIMEZONE .COM WAS SEND WATCHES TO EXAMINE AND THEY SAW FOR THEM SELFS IT WAS A GREAT QUALITY WATCH, SIGNING OFF .
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#50 Consumer Comment

I have done some research and here are some links.

AUTHOR: Lance - (U.S.A.)

I can't find any movement anywhere in all of my research that looks like this movement other than from Montres Allison. I believe it to be their exclusive movement.

http://www.watchea.com/watches/posts/957.html (There are links below it to show additional pictures of the movement and its extremely high quality and unique finishing). No other company in the world produces movements that look like these.

Montres Allison produces first rate watches and the lifetime warranties that they provide are almost unheard of in this industry.

In this picture (http://www.montresallison.com/pics/ma3sj.jpg) you can see that it is very clearly ETA 2824-2. Anybody in the business knows this.

I hope that others who read the bs posted above who have had a positive experience with these watches like I have will post additional rebuttals.
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#51 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Here is a link to the JCK Las Vegas show...

AUTHOR: Terry - (U.S.A.)

(in which over 30,000 companies were represented).

Our luxury timepieces were featured in front of these thousands and thousands of other companies in the watch and jewelry business.

Here is the link: http://www.montresallison.com/jck2003/

If our company was clandestine in nature, why in the heck would we showcase our beautiful timepieces amongst the likes of all of the other luxury watch manufacturers and thousands and thousands of jewelers who, upon review, could make very damaging comments if our timepieces were less than what we say?

Look at the facts. Scott Morgan, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison have ulterior motives. We're out here in the open representing ourselves and our products and companies. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
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#52 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Useful links...

AUTHOR: Terry - (U.S.A.)

Here is a link to some useful pictures of documents in this case:

http://www.montresallison.net/harassment

And here is a neat link, too: http://www.montresallison.net/ensvizzengarten
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#53 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Here is a challenge to stop this nonsense...

AUTHOR: Terry - (U.S.A.)

Mr. Morgan:

In a "voluntary statement" given to the Gilplin County Sheriff's office, you stated that you would pay for a polygraph test to confirm the truthfulness of your statements.

I challenge you to accept my offer of my full payment for polygraph tests for you, Blair Morgan, and Mandy Allison in regards to the criminal charges I face and harassment I have received due to your (plural) false allegations.

I will pay for a polygraph test and concurrent urinalysis (to prevent the use of any drugs that may affect the outcome of the test(s)).

In this test you will be asked questions regarding the business relationship, the bounced check your wife wrote to our company, your acts of violence, and the false allegations you (plural) have raised.

If you have nothing to hide, then you will gladly partake in this lie detector test. I will gladly pay for any and all of you. If one of you refuses to take the test, then I will still pay for the others. Any "mix-and=match" will be satisfactory. Of course, any person who refuses to take the test will have his/her integrity questioned.

I will give you one month from today's date to accept this challenge so that the world can see you for what you really are, and so they can learn the truth about your (again, plural) false allegations.

If you have forgotten your voluntary statement to Gilpin County, I will post a followup showing a scan (or a link to a scan) of your written and signed statement.

Have a successful day and best regards from,
Terry Allison II
Montres Allison
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#54 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Response to Mr. Scott Morgan

AUTHOR: Linda - (U.S.A.)

The posts on this website are full of half truths as are all of the other posts made by Scott Morgan on other websites and forums.

I am the sole owner of DeBoy Watches. I have been since its inception in December 2001. At this time Deboy Watches is the sole distributor on Montres Allison Watches and we have a number of dealers including some retail stores.

DeBoy Watches is located in Gilpin County Colorado and I run the business out of the lower portion of my home in an area that is dedicated solely to the business. I have named the property Ensvizzengarten. What I choose to call my property is of no concern to anyone.

DeBoy Watches is the only name that I have used to sell Montres Allison Watches. I challenge Mr. Scott Morgan to prove otherwise. That statement of his that, Montres Allison uses several different names on ebay to sell watches, which they claim are authorized dealers. is a blatant lie.

Elsie is another way of using my initials, L. C. I have been called that for several years by family members as a family joke. For a short period of time I did use the name Elsie in dealing with customers. So did Scotts wife when she and Scott were selling Montres Allison Watches under the ebay user name andrewashleigh. After a week or so I found it to be too confusing and discontinued the practice. I have never tried to hide from my customers. I have always been totally accountable for all my sales and actions.

Everyone that participates in these disgusting chat rooms uses an alias. For example, Mr. Morgan has posted on several forums as Just Fletch, Nemesis, pony_girl and numerous others.

Mr. Morgan has a website that is totally dedicated to the destruction on the Montres Allison name.

We have chosen to make our auctions private to protect our satisfied customers from harassment and spam sent to them by Mr. Scott Morgan and his internet associates.

We have had many compliments from our customers. We have had 497 positive feedbacks with 455 being from unique users. We have no negative feedback. I have had several customers forward emails to me that were sent to them by Mr. Morgan under one of his aliases. I will continue to keep my feedback private to protect my customers and bidders from harassment by Mr. Morgan and his associates

Mr. Morgans association with me and DeBoy watches goes back over a year. He and his wife were friends of Terry Allison and wanted to become involved in the watch business. They were offered the opportunity to sell watches on the internet like every other dealer of Montres Allison Watches at that time. The deal was, you sell a watch on ebay, collect the money, pay me for the watch and I will either ship it for you as I do for other dealers, or give it to you to ship yourself. When they sold their first 2 watches on ebay they brought me a check for both watches and I gave them the watches with all the appropriate paperwork, etc. They shipped the watches to their customers and proceeded to stop payment on the check. They wanted me to hold the title on their old Blazer (with transmission problems) as collateral on a months supply of watches for them to sell. I declined their request. I am not a bank! Mr. Morgan was demanding that I give him a percentage of my business, which I also refused to do. Mr. Morgan was always demanding free watches for his personal use. He was given a couple, but enough was enough. When I refused to play the game according to Mr. Morgans rules he went ballistic. He forced his way into my home and became very destructive. He was throwing computer equipment and papers around. The police had to be called. That same day Mr. Morgan vowed to destroy Montres Allison and Terry Allison. Before fleeing from the property that day, just before the sheriff deputies arrived, Mr. Morgan told Terrys wife that he had been cheating on her (another lie). As a result Terrys wife left him that day. This can be verified with the Gilpin County Sheriffs department should anyone choose to challenge me on this information.

Mr. Morgan has taken his personal vendetta to the internet. The website that he has dedicated to the destruction on Montres Allison has posts on it that are in no way related to the watch business. Some of them are lewd, and in my opinion pornographic. There have been death threats posted on that forum against me and my family. The posts were removed from the forum, but not before I was able to print them.

Mr. Morgan has no idea how much it costs to manufacture Montres Allison watches. I again challenge him to prove his allegations. Anyone can get estimates on manufacturing watches asking that the cheapest possible components be used. Mr. Morgan has no ideal what the cost to run a business is. His allegations are a simply a figment of his overactive imagination. If he were to devote as much time to his own interests as he has been devoting to destroying me, he would be a very rich man.

I run the company and challenge Mr. Morgan to prove that I am anything but totally honest.

I am tired of seeing all of the untruths posted all over the internet by Mr. Morgan.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to contact me.

Linda Allison
303-399-5445
linda@deboywatches.com
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#55 Consumer Comment

What Swiss Made means..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I got this quote from this webpage: http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm

The page is owned by the federation of the swiss watch industry. This quote is down toward the bottom of the page. Notice how much percentage of components must be manufactured in swizterland to be called swiss made. only 50% Where do other parts come from for comapies who write swiss made on their watches?

"Moreover, a law "regulating the use of the name 'Swiss' for watches" sets out the minimum conditions that have to be fulfilled before a watch merits the "Swiss made" label.

This law is based on a concept according to which Swiss quality depends on the amount of work actually carried out on a watch in Switzerland, even if some foreign components are used in it. It therefore requires that the assembly work on the movement (the motor of the watch) and on the watch itself (fitting the movement with the dial, hands and the various parts of the case) should be carried out in Switzerland, along with the final testing of the movement. It also requires that at least 50% of the components of the movement should be manufactured in Switzerland."

I don't know how much better a Swiss assembly person could be than somebody else who does the exact same career in a different country in assembly work. I don't think they could be much better at all.
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#56 Consumer Comment

more info on montresallison's website.......

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I just looked at their history page........

And here is what it says

"Horologically speaking, watchmaking originated in small workshops in the Swiss mountain region of the Vallee de Joux. Ensvizzengarten, located in the high mountains near Nederland, CO, is the home of Montres Allison wristwatches. While a world away from the Swiss origin of watchmaking, Montres Allison produces some of the finest timepieces available in the world today using Montres Allison in-house movements, ETA Swiss Made movements, and ebauches and calibres from various regions and manufacturers around the world. Non-inhouse components absolutely must be manufactured to the precise standards required in Montres Allison luxury timepieces. Montres Allison is proud that it will not be limited to only one geographic region in the selection of parts, movements, and components in the manufacture of its luxury timepieces. Montres Allison utilizes the best technology and engineers in the world during the design and manufacture processes. With assembly, engineering, service and design processes being performed in New York, NY, USA; Ipsach, Switzerland; Nederland, CO, USA; Japan, Russia, Germany, China, and Hong Kong, Montres Allison is truly a global presence in the luxury wristwatch industry. Montres Allison has holdings in Movado, Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy, DeBoy Watches (worldwide distributor), American Watch Design, and Progress Watch Corporation (Swiss tourbillon manufacturer) and is an subsidiary of Timebeat.com Enterprises, Inc. (OTCBB: TMBT). Click Here for the corporate website."

1. They show the word ensvizengarden as the home of Montres Allison watches and mention the city it is near. They don't claim that that word is a town.

2. They detail various countries and regions used in the production of their watches. That information is on their history page.

3. They mention holdings in Deboy Watches. Telling all of us who read it that the two companies are owned by the same people.

Your acting like they aren't disclosing things? But they are. Its obvious that you are trying to confuse people. Why?
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#57 Consumer Comment

I don't get it....... It seems like you're up to no good.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

A number of companies use distribution channels under different names that they own. If you go to www.deboywatches.com website you can see that Deboy says that they are the distribution unit of Montres Allison. This means to me that they are probably under the same ownership.

So what's your point? You're acting like they are hiding something because Deboy is apparently owned by Montres Allison. That info is right out there for anybody to see on their website and probably doesn't need to be.

Who cares if a company uses another company that they own to distribute their products?

You ever go to the grocery store and look at the store brands ---- They're under different brands than the name of the store, but you know that the store owns the brand. The same goes for jewelry, etc.

GM and other companies finance their own vehicles.

Shoe stores sell their own brand under different names. Clothing stores, too.

It happens all the time. And you're trying to spin this into some scam? I am utterly amazed.

And looking at this company's watches... There's no way they could cost only $30 to manufacture. And they even give lifetime warranties to their customers. It cost me $400 to have my Rolex serviced recently. Their (Montres Allison's) customers seem to get that kind of service for free.

And then you're showing that a company that Allison owned had a bad bbb record? That's a joke. Just like on this website, anybody can say anything about a company and if you haven't paid to be a "member" then you can have your reputation damaged. All companies have upset customers. And it looks like by the dates of this stuff that this could have happened around the September 11th stuff when many businesses tanked and the economy really took a turn for the worse.

And doing some reading on the internet, it shows that Allison is known as Allison II and these documents don't show "Allison II." A quick search shows many Terry Allisons all over the globe. How can you be sure that this is this particular one?

And it looks like the company Amerideck had a different owner according to the Colo Sec of state and that news report. Who's to say that Allison didn't sell his company to somebody else? After all... He's been in the watch business quite a long time. I remember him from early watchnet and timezone days.

Oh... and those pictures of the tourbillons that you posted ..... The tourbillon carriage is in the opposite position of each other and this means that those movements must be completely different and the carriages and balances look completely different. The dials do look similar though, but you obviously don't know what your talking about or are trying to intentionally confuse people.

And a number of those watches that you list as having confirmed Chinese movements? If you look at the pictures on the web, you can easily see that those watches have ETA (Swiss made) movements. Other movements I've only seen on the MA watches, so I don't have any clue where they are from. The watches with guaranteed ETA movements are the Evolution I & II, Etalon I & II that I'm looking at on the www right now. Why are you trying to confuse people?

It seems like you're up to no good.
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#58 Consumer Comment

My Fabulous Allison Watch

AUTHOR: Max - (U.S.A.)

I am extremely excited about owning several Montres Allison watches. Not only are they beautiful in style but the highly polished movements have captured several of my friends whom also purchased Montres allison watches. I have been on several business trips and everyone marveled about the Allison watch with the Swiss eta movement or the German movement with sapphire crystal and alligator band. This unique watch at this unique price, is a fantastic value, and I recommend this watch to anyone, who wants to add this to their watch collection.
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#59 REBUTTAL Owner of company

remember scott morgan is sleeping with terrys exwife

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

what does scott morgan have to gain, he wants a piece of the company so he and terrys exwife can life like a king, so they are thinking if they cant have a piece of the action, they might as well state false facts that they cant even back up.

first scott morgan sold montres allison watches as a dealer.

second , he never paid for the watches he sold, and montes allison report him to the police for theift.

third, most of the montres alliosn watches uses eta movements, remember no watch is totally swiss, parts comes from all over the country, as long as 51 percent of the parts are swiss then it can me called swiss.

forth, what does scott morgan have to gain by this, the answer is nothing, they are sore that the court rule against terrys wife, of receiving any part of montres allison. so its time to destroy someone else life, becuase his exwife is not happy,

fifth, i own 7 alliosn watches a love all of them they are great pieces with great movements,
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#60 Author of original report

Montres Allison now hiding behind TimeBeat.com

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

My personal knowledge of watches is as irrelevant as your rebuttal, it does not take a certified master watch builder to comprehend that if you take a $30.00 dollar watch and add zero improvements to it and then lie to everyone claiming it retails for $5.000, $10.000, or $20.000, then you are ripping people off. Nothing from my article was taken from any other website and I can only assume you are referring to an article on TimeZone, which compares Montres Allison to a cheap $60.00 dollar Franck Muller and still looses.

By the way, this article was never removed from TZ here is the link.

http://www.timezone.com/messageView.aspx?forumId=tzclassic&msgId=tzclassic000096

Also I have never made any purchase from Timebeat nor bounced any check to them.

Montres Allison is now claiming that they are a subsidiary of TimeBeat. An application for the trade mark of the name Montres Allison has been filed by Tom Crom of Timebeat.com

This information as well as a great deal more is provided at: http://pub228.ezboard.com/ftruthonmontresalliosonfrm2

Go here to learn about Montres Allison, Terry Allison, and Timebeat. Including proof that Deboy Watches the authorized seller of MA watches is really Terry Allison And Linda Allison.
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#61 REBUTTAL Owner of company

THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT DOESNT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHES

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

I AM SORRY TO SAY THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT DOESNT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WATCHES AT ALL, HE JUST USE THE REPORT FOUND ON TIMEZONE.NET. WHICH BY THE WAY THEY TOOK OFF AFTER TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE MONTRES ALLISON WATCH, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS REPORT ALSO PURCHASE SEVER WATCHES FROM TIMEBEAT.COM AND HIS CHECK BOUNCE, AFTER GIVING THE COMPANY HIS BUSINESS LICENSE NUMBER FOUND OUT HE WAS A FRAUD, BY THE WAY HE STILL I UNDERSTAND OWNS SEVERAL DEALERS MONEY, I AM A WATCH COLLECTOR, FOR THE MONEY ALLISON WATCHES ARE WELL WORTH THE MONEY, MOST PART ARE EITHER GERMAN OR SWISS, AND WATCH CENTRAL REPAIR HAS A VERY HIGH REPORE IN THE INDUSTRY, I AM SURE THEY WONT WORK ON JUNK AS THE ARTICIAL STATES, THEY ARE A HIGHER NOTED REPAIR CENTER. I LOVE MY WATCH AND PURCHASE SEVERAL OF THEM.
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#62 Author of original report

Terry Allison past cons

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Here are some links showing one of Terry Allison's past scams. Paist these URL's into your browser. This link is a on a Denver TV news web site regarding Amerideck/Deck stars, another company Terry used to con people before Montres Allison. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/ den/call7forhelp/stories/call7forhelp-101681020011015-171044.html This link is for Denver BBB, a report on Amerideck. http://www.denver.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=9031485 This is yet another news organization in Denver responding to Terry's Amerideck. Look down the pg for: Ann, from Colorado. http://www.troubleshooter.com/ data/dumparchive/tom_comments08_01.htm
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