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Complaint Review: CR ENGLAND - Salt Lake City Utah

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  • CR ENGLAND 4701 West 2100 South Salt Lake City, Utah U.S.A.

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CR England is running a cdl mill in East Chicago Indiana. At my interview the recruiter said the school will be 14 days once there they said it is 17 1/2 days then off to salt lake city.

Where i will be teamed with an instructor till I drive 25,000 mi this will take 3 to 4 weeks at $325 per week this does not add upon miles driven this means i will have to drive close to a 1,000 miles per day. This sent up a red flag to me.

First day at school which is in the middle of crack town just last week a woman that lives on the same street was shot and killed by a drive by shooting while sitting in her home.

The class had 24 men looking to improve there lives. the room size was so small fellows had to stand at the door and wait to fill out there papper work they gave us a so called physical.

how can 24 students learn with only 4 rigs and 1 instructor plus the students how are allready there THANK GOD I found many web sites reporting the ripoffs by CR England I did not go back for day 2 now i'am just waiting to see how much this will cost me .

Ricky
roselawn, Indiana
U.S.A.

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#17 Consumer Suggestion

CR ENGLAND A LOVE HATE EMPLOYER

AUTHOR: Allen - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, January 06, 2005

Though i am not working for the CR England any
more i have to say i did enjoy my employment with them. Dont get me wrong I think the company is a rip off also but i have looked at myself first before judging them and made a pretty good assessment of the company as i know it.
First i want to say that the south carolina school i attended was really informative.No it wasnt a fine hotel stay and yes it was very intensive.Slackers were omitted at every opportunity. Ask yourself why? In the trucking industry we are expectrd to be on time in a hurry at all times there is no room to be lazy.
But the information is the best ive seen out of any school ive heard of . Jerry muchmore who is the guy who runs this school is arrogant and can be an a## .But then again he has to put up with pple wasting his time in the school by students drinking on campus playing around with the females and not doing their work and actually being obnoxious to not only him but to all the instructors. It is not his job to make students drivers. It is up to the students. His job is to give knowledge and get the students ready to train. If you cant make the grade you have to go.
I personally dont like jerry but dont put the school down for him doing his job.
Second i want to say there are some of the best pple i have ever met that works in this company. It is all based on the attitude of the person they are dealing with. The driver managers i dealt with there were all(except for one charlie bolinger) kind courteous and honest.
Why you ask , well it is because i gave them the same respect i expected of them. Yes it can be annoying to a new driver to have to wait on loads or get laid over a day but if you have patience with them and understand you have to PROVE YOUR CAPABILITIES TO THEM it will all work out. Those pple putting the employees down there who dispatch or pay them had to have AN ATTITUDE WITH THEM FIRST. I worked there two years and from safety payreoll logs to dm
they were all couteous and willing to work with me.
And for the pple saying that the dms make them run over their time let me give you some advice .JUST SAY NO .I was told if i didnt run an illegal load by the boss of my dm that i would be fired . i was only there a couple months at this time. Well i told him no and would be callin safety the next morning and then shut down. Got more miles from then on and was never asked to run illegal again. Yes this was at england.We are grown and responsible for what goes on in our trucks not your DM . You will pay the ticket Its all in following protocol.
I was a trainer for England for a year . Yes it is true most trainers there are there for the money and they for the most part dont care about the students.As for me i have my students still calling me today that i trained . Why i guess is because i treated them like a person not a paycheck> Yes we had to run hard and after all that is the job. Mostly we run a minimum of 5500 miles a week sometimes up to 6500 miles per week.
It is tiring and to a trainee it seems too much at times and they think we are cheating them out of money by running so hard. Welcome to trucking is all i have to say to them. It is no place for the weary of heart. We dont stop on a hot load of produce to watch cable tv when our favorite show comes on or take a two hour shower or play video games. this is the world of trucking so those of you who are complaining about the trainers working you too hard let me say the trainer had to do the same as you and then some to make it as a truck driver .If the trainer sat all the time he would not be training you to do the work YOU CHOSE TO DO.
As for leasing from CR England DONT.Yes they are ripping pple off. I tried it and was taken for more than my share but i dont bklame the pple i worked with at the company it isnt them
It is upper management who is doing this. Company bigwheels are lieing to pple about the lease program to make more money. If a person leases from the company they are not a liability to the corporation.That is the whole truth about the push on the lease program at england. Think about all the extras the company no longer has to pay out ( taxes,insurance,extra incentives etc). Besides what is not told to you as a lease driver is the fuel surcharge they pay just doesnt add up. As a general rule a drivers miles are 10 percent or more over the actual miles they are paid for therefore it is really not much of an incentive after all.And since i was friends with the pple who i ran for in california i know for a fact that england was charging their company way more for the fuel surcharge than i was getting from england.i saw it in black and white as well as tolls charged to the california company by england that was never incurred. I guess that is how england does business.
In conclusion i want to say dont lease from CR England they are a ripoff. But for the first time driver out there looking for a good start up company and you have a good attitude and a willingness to work. England is a jam up company
If you want to lease from them please take the time to read the contract before signing it they will try to rush you and tell you all kinds of things but dont listen read it for yourself or better yet get a lawyer to read it to you (bet they dont let you) and if not dont sign it .
ID LIKE TO SAY HELLO TO CHRISTIAN ,LATICIA,JERRY,CHRIS R.,CHRIS IN AFTR HRS, DANIEL H ,LARRY INSAFTY,REBECCA,MARCIA,BRIAN
NIKKI M,JOY AND YES NOT IN THE LEAST SUSY
THESE R GOOD PPLE AND AM HONORED TO HAVE WORKED WITH ALL OF YOU.

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#16 Consumer Suggestion

DOT knows all this! Wal-mart and Fed-ex are the only major carriers that run legal!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, September 28, 2004

At the rest, they push you to run hard.

I started 2 years ago.

Worked at a dozen companies.

Solo, I did 750 most days. That's reefer loads, where it takes all morning to get empty. Do 100 deadhead to next pickup. Then, run 650 more all night. Deliver at 07:00 the next morning.

Same s**t, day in and day out. Paid miles were 3500 to 4500 a week. That's paid. Add more for actual miles.

One week, dry van, I did 6479 paid. f**k with those numbers!

Report it? This is the job!

You don't take the load, they let you sit. Maybe you'll sit 4 days. You'll learn.

My last company wanted 1000 a day. Yuma produce coolers to chicago market in 2 days. It's 2100 miles. That's 1050 a day. Of course my truck did 77. That helped.

Now, you see why I don't drive anymore.

Dead tired and filthy dirty all the time. Who needs that?

DOT knows this. They aren't learning anything new here. Ask any cop in a coop. He knows what we do. The only time they care is when you kill somebody.

You know who gets the easy runs? The experienced drivers getting 44 cents. They get 2200 miles a week, if they're lucky. They cost more. That's why they sit while the 27 cents run crazy.

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#15 Consumer Suggestion

Report it

AUTHOR: Big - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, September 27, 2004

I thought that the last post on here was from a consumer who didnt make it through the school. Also if you can do the load then do it, however if your being asked to run that kind of time frame then perhaps driver you should report this to either your DM or to DOT or proper authorities.

Running hard is one thing, running stupid is another. In a 65mph truck thats almost impossible as we all know shippers dont care and can keep you there for up to 20 hours depending on when or how or if they want to load you right away. I would personally report being given a run like that.

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#14 Consumer Suggestion

Driver, you can have my miles!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 26, 2004

When you deliver your load, you can have mine. It's a nursery load. It's 42,500 of plants. Driver assist unload.

You pickup in Greenville, Albama off the 65. It delivers in Kingman, Az tomorrow at 23:59.

As soon as you do your trailer washout, there's a meat load to pickup in Phoenix. It's going to Hunt's Point market. It delivers 2 1/2 days after you pick it up. It must be on time, or the load will be rejected.

I hope your inner demons can keep you awake!

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#13 Consumer Suggestion

Driver, you can have my miles!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 26, 2004

When you deliver your load, you can have mine. It's a nursery load. It's 42,500 of plants. Driver assist unload.

You pickup in Greenville, Albama off the 65. It delivers in Kingman, Az tomorrow at 23:59.

As soon as you do your trailer washout, there's a meat load to pickup in Phoenix. It's going to Hunt's Point market. It delivers 2 1/2 days after you pick it up. It must be on time, or the load will be rejected.

I hope your inner demons can keep you awake!

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#12 Consumer Suggestion

Driver, you can have my miles!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 26, 2004

When you deliver your load, you can have mine. It's a nursery load. It's 42,500 of plants. Driver assist unload.

You pickup in Greenville, Albama off the 65. It delivers in Kingman, Az tomorrow at 23:59.

As soon as you do your trailer washout, there's a meat load to pickup in Phoenix. It's going to Hunt's Point market. It delivers 2 1/2 days after you pick it up. It must be on time, or the load will be rejected.

I hope your inner demons can keep you awake!

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#11 UPDATE Employee

all you people are doing is getting upset about your own inner demons

AUTHOR: Big - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 25, 2004

Honestly for everyone in the forum complaining about CR England stop and think for a minute, instructors at the school dont wanna be out there anymore then you do in the bad weather but they are on a time table and if thats what it takes then thats what it takes, Also as far as small rooms what in the world do you think the sleeper cabin on a truck is even if you have a studio sleeper its not much larger then a jail cell so frankly what better way to get you used to those accomdations then to have your room that size. I have grown up in this industry I was a dispatcher until I was old enough to drive OTR and all I have to say is STOP WHINING, all you people are doing is getting upset about your own inner demons and failures you people in this forum are also the ones who think they can run 4,000 miles a week and still sleep 10 hours a day, or those who go into the owner lease program and not have to run hard to make GOOD money. You are also the people who constantly turn down loads cause your feel you are too good to run there or you just simply are too LAZY or dont want too. As far as those who dont make it through the school........well guess what you just hit the real world trucking is not an easy profession and it takes a special person to make it in this industry and if you thought you could be class clown in driving school and still pass well your just a plain child who still needs to grow up. I am sorry but too many people smear the good name of companies and other drivers by being idiots. So in a situation liek this guess what, as they say on the CB "shut up stupid"

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#10 Consumer Suggestion

I never found a worthwhile fleet, that's why I walked away from the job.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Saturday, September 25, 2004

In 2 years, I was at almost a dozen companies. Some, for as little as a week or two.

England was 9 days. Abusive lease trainer.

I been at Swift, England, Crst, Kllm, Marten, Hunt, Us Xpress, Gainey, then this little trash company called Kennedy out of Romeoville.

Rip-offs, most of them. Kllm was the only one that did what they said. Even they ran you to death. Drive 15, sleep 6.

Driver shortage? Gee, I wonder why.

I don't plan on seeing the inside of a tractor ever again. There are easier ways to make a living.

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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

The england brothers can suck this.

AUTHOR: Big Timmy - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, September 24, 2004

If you want to justify CRE than you aint doing nothing but sucking up to them. CRE sucks bottom line.

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#8 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Abused in every respect

AUTHOR: Regina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, June 02, 2004

Look folks. I didn't go through their school, cause I had my license when I got there. I was a Grad. i had to do 20,000 miles because they were PUSHING their lease program on me.
Anyway, I was shown no respect either.
The School Sucks!
Theire Trainers SUCK!
And their Training Coodinaters SUCK...Nikki Mears in particular. She missed the RED sheet in front of the BULL, and forgot she was a Woman and put too much trust in a violent individual.
See my complaint here at rip-off report.

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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Doulas, Quit brown nosing!

AUTHOR: Regina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 01, 2004

CR. England IS a CDL Mill, unethical, and have no respect for the drivers.

I was there 2 months, and never seen home. Then I witnesses them bringing prospective drivers into the West Valley terminal by the buss loads at LEASED 5 times a day, some at night.

And I watched MASS Firings. I seen them fire drivers and not even give them a ticket home, and they have their families with them, (with legal papers stating they had authorization to take them with).

The right hand NEVER knows what the left hand is doing there. It's hellish. I don't know who's butt your under, but I have witnessed all this.

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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Doulas, Quit brown nosing!

AUTHOR: Regina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 01, 2004

CR. England IS a CDL Mill, unethical, and have no respect for the drivers.

I was there 2 months, and never seen home. Then I witnesses them bringing prospective drivers into the West Valley terminal by the buss loads at LEASED 5 times a day, some at night.

And I watched MASS Firings. I seen them fire drivers and not even give them a ticket home, and they have their families with them, (with legal papers stating they had authorization to take them with).

The right hand NEVER knows what the left hand is doing there. It's hellish. I don't know who's butt your under, but I have witnessed all this.

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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Doulas, Quit brown nosing!

AUTHOR: Regina - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Tuesday, June 01, 2004

CR. England IS a CDL Mill, unethical, and have no respect for the drivers.

I was there 2 months, and never seen home. Then I witnesses them bringing prospective drivers into the West Valley terminal by the buss loads at LEASED 5 times a day, some at night.

And I watched MASS Firings. I seen them fire drivers and not even give them a ticket home, and they have their families with them, (with legal papers stating they had authorization to take them with).

The right hand NEVER knows what the left hand is doing there. It's hellish. I don't know who's butt your under, but I have witnessed all this.

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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

So much hate and discontent.....

AUTHOR: Douglas - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, April 25, 2004

First of all, I believe "Paul" her was "Andy" in the other article, so what's up with that, not that it matters much. Next, you guys aren't in a truckstop, you were more than likely at home on a computer when you wrote your messages, so what's with all the cussing and poor grammar? If the general public sees stuff like that...it's no wonder truck drivers get a bum rap and are so looked down upon out there.

But for the real issue, could it be that the five that finished may have had some promise as drivers, or were more determined to learn? Too many whining babies like a few of you expected trucking to be some high paid vacation-like road trip, and when you found out it wasn't, or worse yet, when you found out YOU didn't have what it takes to get out there and do that job, you got embarrassed and try to insult those who do. Look at the facts. Good schools or not, there's plenty more to choose from than just CRE, but rather than pushing on elsewhere as real truck drivers do, you gave up after the first try.

As for CRE, I agree they've got some of the poorest schools out there, and Jerry Muchmore at Spartanburg, SC, who in my opinion shouldn't be running a do-it-yourself laundry, much less a truck driving school, so obviously incompetent a manager as he is. But I tend to agree with the other guy that said even at CRE you can make money if you work hard enough, as with any other job. Sounds to me like you guys are just full of what you can hear at any truck stop if you have your CB on...so much hate and discontent!!!

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#3 Consumer Comment

C.R. England is a real bad company schools are bad too

AUTHOR: Cage - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 15, 2004

Most people who have dealt with this company will tell you to RUN not to walk away. They are the devil in sheeps clothing. So nice at the beginning and promises promises promises that are lies lies lies. The school I went to was in South Carolina and I wouldnt send my dog to it. Jerry is the idiot that runs it and I dont think he has driven a truck before in his life so that should tell you something. only five were stupid enough to stay and finish the school in the above stated example I doubt all those that quit were non-performers. They saw the writing on the wall. Five that finished were either blind or stupid or were sucking the instructors for brownie points.

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#2 Consumer Comment

THE GUY iS RIGHT CR ENGLAND SCHOOLS SUCK!!!!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, April 15, 2004

The only thing I can say is that you must work for C R England because the school in South Carolina sucks too. The place is a joke See my other post for the horror story I had at the school in South Carolina. Even the truckers on layovers that were there had nothing good to say about about them. the friggin security gaurds that worked there would tell you stories about the school that made you want to leave the first day. the place is NOT a place to go if you want to get your CDL because you WONT learn anything!!!! I was out in the freezing rain for ten hours to get in that truck for maybe 6 minutes. A complete waist of time DONT GO TO ONE OF THERE SCHOOLS and Id suggest that you DONT go to work for them either!!!!

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

ask more questions, the answers are and were there

AUTHOR: Wm - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 12, 2003

first, i will admit there are issues at the company,but i managed to get through the training and make good miles and a lil cash to boot. it was not easy, but i drove hard got where i was needed to be and so i got better loads.

as for the school yes the school is 14 days but you did not ask about how many days orientaion was .. thats 3 1/2 thus 17 1/2 days before you leave for saltlake.

like anyhting, you have to ask lots of questions i asked the one you asked here " what will it cost me if i decide driving is not for me? " and they told me what would happen if i failed to pass the course. did you ask that ? i doubt it
yes there are alot of men at the begining of the classes but there are so many like your self that have no idea whats going onwhen they get to the school .. that before the end of the first week the class is a manageable size. and with the weeding out of those that cant drive, or can not pass the drug test in my class of 27 that started only 5 of us finished so one instructor and one truck was all we needed but there was 4 available and guess what, there was more then just one instructor .. did you bother asking ? i doubt it.
if you work hard .. england is a great place to learn, and not a bad place to work .. granted there are companies out there that pay better ... but then its all in what you need. there are a lot of england drivers there that have been there a long time .. ask one more queation, why is it if it such a bad place that they have so many old timers? i worked for them, and i would go back if my situation was to become what it was when i started there in the first place.
look before you leap.

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