Report: #82107

Complaint Review: Devry University

  • Submitted: Fri, February 27, 2004
  • Updated: Mon, February 18, 2013
  • Reported By: Denver Colorado
  • Devry University
    1870 W. 122nd Ave
    Westminister, Colorado
    U.S.A.

Devry University sold a degree a worthless as it's classes. This a scam for your cash or federal student loan money - they get paid either way. Rip-off! Westminister Colorado

*General Comment: Nonsense

*General Comment: DeVry is not legitimate

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: There is zero value in DeVry

*Consumer Comment: Worthless

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Misinformation about DeVry

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is the real deal

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Chose Wisely....

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: ITS NOT THE STUDENTS

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is a "legite" company???

*General Comment: DeVry is a legite University

*UPDATE Employee: DeVry from the inside

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: DECEPTION

*Consumer Comment: Stay away from DeLie, DeVry

*Consumer Comment: You are so wrong

*Consumer Comment: Devry good school

*Consumer Comment: Devry is a Good University

*Consumer Comment: DeVry University is NOT a scam!

*Consumer Comment: Facts Don't Lie - DeVry Losing Student Enrollments

*Consumer Comment: Facts Don't Lie - DeVry Losing Student Enrollments

*Consumer Comment: Go to a community college

*Consumer Comment: Seriously?

*Consumer Comment: and?

*Consumer Comment: Devry is just another for profit school

*Consumer Comment: Devry diploma of dubious value

*Consumer Comment: Hoapres

*General Comment: hoapres

*Consumer Suggestion: Devry college degree hardly legitimate

*General Comment: Wow...give me a break!

*Consumer Comment: For profit trade schools are a sham

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is not for anyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program.

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is not for everyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program they get in!

*Consumer Comment: The issue is Chill a Devry employee

*Consumer Comment: Danny, what is your problem?

*Consumer Comment: Before you attend Devry or any other college

*Consumer Comment: let it go

*Consumer Comment: Devry graduates are not getting good jobs

*Consumer Comment: stupid argument

*Consumer Comment: Sounds like you wasted your money

*General Comment: Dude - the fact that DeVry is not a real college surprised you?

*Consumer Comment: Eric an Vinster are not the same.

*Consumer Comment: Devry mouthpiece

*Consumer Comment: Reality check of sorts on "Electronics"

*Consumer Comment: Update you knowledge!

*Consumer Comment: Devry not worth the money

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Thanks for your input.

*Consumer Comment: Best of Luck in your interview

*Consumer Comment: Devry diploma likely to be worthless

*Consumer Comment: Current Devry Student ECT

*Consumer Comment: Current Devry Student ECT

*Consumer Comment: Current Scammee

*Consumer Comment: Devry is considered a joke by many in Silicon Valley

*Consumer Comment: Response to "Mark from Tampa"

*General Comment: All schools are not the same.

*Consumer Comment: Devry is not the issue.

*General Comment: Recent Devry Grad with good job

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Sour People = Complainers

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: DeVry education is a joke

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Tia, you are as wrong as the rest of them.

*Consumer Comment: DeVry - Simply NOT worth it

*Consumer Suggestion: I se CHILL is back and has created a couple of new aliases

*General Comment: Wondering What a DeVry Degree is Really Worth?

*Consumer Suggestion: They almost got me for $75,000

*Consumer Comment: Postive Personal Experience

*Consumer Comment: TELL YOUR SENATOR TO VOTE AGAINST FUNDING FOR-PROFIT TRADE SCHOOLS

*Consumer Comment: I can't believe I read this

*General Comment: DeVry University A True Learning Center EET

*Consumer Comment: Where are the jobs for DeVry Grads??

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Dude, your degree is worth less

*General Comment: To Mr. Ivy League

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Complete and total BULL!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Dannyd the rod stewart impersonator??

*Consumer Comment: What about student safety at DeVry campuses??

*Consumer Comment: Very good points Kevin from Pittsburg

*Consumer Comment: Message to OSK (USA)

*UPDATE Employee: Really?

*Consumer Comment: Devry will charge you services you don't need, but they still make money

*Consumer Comment: In response to Mr. Cyrus!

*Consumer Comment: here is an honest perspective

*General Comment: A comment on this discussion.

*Consumer Comment: This isn't a valid "rip off report"

*Consumer Suggestion: What else are DeVry Admissions Advisors lying about??

*Consumer Comment: the truth is the truth

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles Hill, CHILL aka Tim

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Devry is a legitimate college.

*Consumer Comment: The Angry Guy (you all know who I'm talking about) lol

*Consumer Comment: Chill out Chill (aka Tim and other aliases)

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: So entertaining! oh yeah, Devry rocks!

*Consumer Comment: Double LOL!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: LOL!!!!

*General Comment: Thanks for the laugh, Dannyd!

*Consumer Suggestion: Suffering from a mental meltdown Chill???

*Consumer Comment: Nice Try Tim

*Consumer Comment: Right on!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Devry is a huge opportunity for many!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Haters Above

*Consumer Suggestion: Innocent Naivette???

*Consumer Comment: Untenable Lies

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is clueless

*Consumer Comment: Frontline takes on DeVry, University of Phoenix, For Profit Schools. Link

*Consumer Comment: TIA - A Classic DeVry Employee

*Consumer Suggestion: "He said, She said"

*Consumer Comment: Not flattering myself.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Very Amusing!

*Consumer Comment: Concerning Job Placement by DeVry

*Consumer Comment: Facts don't lie!

*General Comment: Devry "Stats"

*General Comment: Why would you be getting calls day and night??

*Consumer Comment: Don't believe the lies from DeVry about Job placement

*General Comment: Devry did contact me on numerous occassions, concerning career counseling!

*Consumer Comment: Don't buy into that "Regional Accredition" Hype from DeLie

*Consumer Comment: The next shoe to drop on DeVry.....

*General Comment: LOL

*Consumer Comment: It's not the students, it's the salepeople!

*Consumer Suggestion: I couldn't agree more!

*General Comment: I am greatly amused!

*Consumer Comment: SORRY - Still too good to be true

*Consumer Comment: DeVry - Just too good to be true

*General Comment: Thank you.

*Consumer Comment: Still Too Good to be true.....

*General Comment: My statements are absolutely true.

*Consumer Comment: Too good to be true!

*General Comment: A satisfied Devry graduate!!

*Consumer Comment: Stay Away from DeVry

*Consumer Comment: To Mr. Ivy League

*Consumer Comment: Yawn...

*Consumer Comment: Ivy League? I would have never thought...

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is a joke

*Consumer Suggestion: The Bottom Line

*Consumer Comment: DeVry changes the rules mid-stream

*Consumer Comment: The WHOLE STORY!!!

*Consumer Comment: And one FINAL note:

*Consumer Comment: Are you an IDIOT?

*Consumer Suggestion: GetEducated.com

*Consumer Comment: Regarding placement

*Consumer Comment: You get out what you put in

*Consumer Comment: Devry is worthless!!!!

* : DeVry is largely worthless

*Consumer Suggestion: lazy fools that dont want to work!

*Consumer Comment: So far so good

*Consumer Comment: DeVry is a very good for profit school

*Consumer Comment: THANK YOU CHRIS!

*Consumer Comment: Job Placement Assistace does not excuse the person

*Consumer Comment: I love Devry!

*Consumer Suggestion: This school is not a scam, the SEC and Department of Education prove it.

*Consumer Comment: Tia is right and many seem uninformed

*Consumer Comment: DeVry provides a great education!

*Consumer Comment: Reputation Problem

*Consumer Comment: Devry

*Consumer Suggestion: Devry was the best choice I ever made

*UPDATE Employee: The reason we call

*Consumer Comment: Degree is not Worthless

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: DeVry is extremely sales based when it comes to recruitment

*Consumer Comment: Devry Graduate

*Consumer Comment: DeVry Provides a Good Career Path

*Consumer Comment: no interest??? HA!

*UPDATE Employee: DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

*UPDATE Employee: DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

*UPDATE Employee: DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

*UPDATE Employee: DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

*Consumer Comment: Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

*Consumer Comment: Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

*Consumer Comment: Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

*Consumer Comment: Give me a break

*Consumer Comment: Give me a break

*Consumer Comment: Give me a break

*Consumer Comment: Give me a break

*Consumer Comment: I think it depends on each individual campus

*Consumer Comment: DeVry...So Many Good Qualities...SUCH POOR MARKETING

*UPDATE Employee: College Recruitment - In The End Education is WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT

*Consumer Comment: Student Financial Serivces = HORRIBLE

*Consumer Comment: DeVry University Can't make everyone happy. I loved it. Chicago Illinois

*Consumer Comment: Devry

*Consumer Comment: A little of both...

*Consumer Comment: truly a shocking experience

*Consumer Suggestion: go to the courthouse and research to see if any lawsuits were filed

*Consumer Comment: DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

*Consumer Comment: DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

*Consumer Comment: DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

*Consumer Comment: DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

*Consumer Suggestion: Very skeptical on Devry

*Consumer Comment: I LOVE DEVRY

*Consumer Suggestion: DeVry is a true University. Facts Speak for themselves

*UPDATE Employee: Not a Diploma Mill

*Consumer Suggestion: Just the Facts

*Consumer Comment: De Vry Being Sued In Class Action

*Consumer Comment: DeVry Is A Corporate Money Beggar & Money Mill

*Consumer Comment: Tia should shut up

*Consumer Comment: Tia should shut up

*Consumer Comment: Tia should shut up

*Consumer Comment: Tia should shut up

*UPDATE Employee: Perhaps it is the student and not DeVry University!

*Consumer Comment: DeVry Is A Sales Pitch

Show customers why they should trust your business over your competitors...

DeVry University is not a school it is a scam. They lure you in with the prospect of ane easy and faster route to a college degree that will improve your earning potential. That's the bait and it's a trap.

You won't get ahead. You'll end up with at best a usless education and a worthless degree and oh yeah plenty of debt. and if you don't pay them Uncle Sam does through the gaurenteed student loan program. Your credits won't transfer to a real school. Some have compared the post Devry experience to buying a new car - only you don't get the car only the payments.

Angry
Denver, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#1 General Comment

Nonsense

AUTHOR: Damacles - (USA)

Military personel have more funds than anyone, and state institutions are far cheaper than for Profit institutions.

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#2 General Comment

DeVry is not legitimate

AUTHOR: Damacles - (USA)

1. If your check clears, you are in at DeVry.

2. No University hires strictly PhD's unless it is a graduate school. Occasionally someone with an MA has expertise outside of an Academic setting.

3. There is no way that a degree at DeVry is better than a degree at DePaul.

4. A former colleague worked at DeVry and at a University in Thailand before he worked at our institution. He laughed at the mention of DeVry.

5. You are correct that the quality of student is critical: why in the world would you choose a school that is weakly accredited, and very expensive when you could go to a state university that is properly accredited and is 10X's cheaper. The accrediting agency for DeVry and other institutions like it is a joke.

6. No, everyone does not use the same criteria--not by a longshot. Even accredited institutions have strong and weak areas. For instance not only is our institution accredited by a respected accrediting body, but many degree programs, such as teachers, have their own accrediting agencies that are even more rigorous than the standard accrediting body. Accreditation is a year round process that culminates in an actual inspection. Then the process starts again.

 

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

There is zero value in DeVry

AUTHOR: truth - ()

Only morons go to DeVry as students. There is no value even if it is free.

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#4 Consumer Comment

Worthless

AUTHOR: Very Upset!!! - ()

I received my BS in Accounting from DeVry in June 1991.  Now that my kids have grown I wanted to continue on with a Master of accountancy here at ISU. I was rejected because my BS from DeVry is not recognized by any State University.  I wasted over 35K and 22 years later I find out this whole program was a scam!!!  

Needless to say I am very upset!!! 

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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Misinformation about DeVry

AUTHOR: statisticsfan - ()

 To Life-after-DeVry and FrankM: First, the B.S. EET DeVry offers does NOT qualify you to call yourself an Engineer, nor does it qualify you to sit for any Professional Engineering License/Registration in any state in the U.S. It is, and always has been, an intermediate degree between a pure Electronic Technician and a B.S. Electrical Engineer. Second, DeVry does NOT require its faculty to have Ph.D.'s. In fact, a Masters is all that is required. Unfortunately, it doesn't have to be a Masters in an area that has any relationship to the subject matter you teach. One campus Dean of Academic Affairs was of the opinion "if you have a Masters degree, you can teach anything here".

So, that campus had an attorney teaching economics, and an M.A. Sociolgy faculty teaching economics, neither of whom had ever had an economics class in their lives. Further, they had a Ph.D. E.E. teaching MBA business statistics, and an M.S. E.E. teaching undergraduate business statistics. The Ph.D. had never had a business statistics class in his life, and the only business statistics class the M.S.E.E. had had was an online class that he took while pursuing his MBA at DeVry. We can all properly question just how much knowledge was transferred to these students and how much useful business insight they received as to the application of these classes in their prospective business careers.

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#6 Consumer Comment

DeVry is the real deal

AUTHOR: jujubecool - (United States of America)

I have no idea who this guy is that started this consumer complaint, but it sounds to me like he is just another money sucker looking for a payout from a class action lawsuit. He was probably too lazy to do his homework and failed his classes. I have NEVER had any issue with DeVry at all in the past 3 years that I have been attending. The teachers, techs, and financial aid advisors have all been great, but then again I do my work like I am supposed to. Some people need to continously blame others for their failures and are looking for a handout.
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#7 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Chose Wisely....

AUTHOR: Life_After_DeVry - (United States of America)

I graduated from DeVry back in '04.

As with all I fell to the sales pitch of a wonderful life after graduation.  I was promised a college education that I would be proud of.  

The days following my graduation was utter painful.  I tried and tried to find a job with the outside world with no response.  I followed up with DeVry looking for jobs but nothing.  All the leads they gave me was basically the same leads I found on online job sites.  I failed to land a job in the field (EET).  

After 6 months of looking I took a job as an assembler on a manufacturing line via a temp agency because I was desperate and my college loan payment had just kicked in.  I'm pretty sure DeVry used it as another stat for another student with a job.  I worked on the line for over a year until I got my break.  

I was found by the R&D group in the company by solving problems on the manufacturing line resolving complex problems.  I got promoted to the team as a tech.  It was a start though.  I worked my way up after 3 more years to a Sr level tech.  Not where I wanted to be in life because my dreams after graduation was to become an engineer.  

I worked hard everyday to prove my worth.  No one took my degree serious.  I need to mention that work among folks that graduated from Notre Dame, Stanford, UC Berkeley, Vanderbilt, BYU, etc; all prestigious schools so you get my point.  After years of watching them hire college grad after college grad from well known colleges I gave up my hopes of being an engineer at that company.

Trying to move up to a engineering position was next to none due to my education choice.  As much as I out perform them (street smarts and book smarts) it just wasn't enough to get past my worth on paper.  

After 4 years of trying to get promoted to an engineer position I got my break with another company.  I'm 99% sure they chose me because of my work ethics and not my degree.  I know it played a role in me getting the job but it definitely was not the determining factor either.  I was among 5 other interviewers at that time.  

I live my life everyday regretting my decision to chose DeVry over a UC or CSU.  I must clarify I was accepted into those colleges but chose the fastest route to a degree thinking they were all the same.  My mistake that I take to heart everyday for not doing my research.  Yes, I do cry about it and have been very depress about my mistake in life til this day.

I can tell you, that if you want an engineering degree go to a state college and don't make the same mistakes I did.  

I'm not telling you DeVry is worthless, I'm just telling you what others in the hiring world think of DeVry.  Your choice is your choice just like mine.  I've chosen wrong and I have to live with it.  

So chose wisely as it will determine who you are for the rest of your life and you will be judged upon that piece of paper whether you like it or not. 
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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

ITS NOT THE STUDENTS

AUTHOR: Vickye Poindexter-Wilson - (United States of America)

I learned Devry and Keller are like used car salesman, I was told I could transfer my credits,to any State University and that is a LIE.   I have now transferred to University in Arizona, starting all over lost $14,000 I am 21 credits into my MBA at Keller.  , I decided to take the lost, in order to get a quality education.  I held a 3.8 GPA my duration of Devry and Keller.  The employees should be ashamed of themselves for the lies you tell.  I have not be able secure a position, I had enrolled extra class to just get a proper training.  I ask a hiring managers what is  wrong with my resume?, I was told by three Managers "its not your resume, its where you obtained your degree from, this particular entity  put out quantity not quality".  I have joined the class action lawsuit.
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#9 Consumer Comment

DeVry is a "legite" company???

AUTHOR: Angry Consumer_10 - (United States of America)

The person who wrote that needsd some help in spelling. Maybe he went to school at DeVry?? LOL.

Secondly, this school DeVry has had so many complaints registered against it from people all across the USA, how in the world can you say it is legit??

DeVry is also almost constantly poked fun of. In Mark Wahburgs recent movie Broken City, Walburg's character being critical of his secretery's skills asks, "Where did you go to school at DeVry?" She responds angryily, "No I went to a legitimate school Hunter College."

You really think people take DeVry seriously? Think again.

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#10 General Comment

DeVry is a legite University

AUTHOR: FrankM - (United States of America)

To get into DeVry you take placement exams, all of the professors must have PHD's like any other college. getting your BS in CIS, is considered to be best, since Devry is compared higher than DePaul University in Chicago. Getting on the Deans list, you must have a 3.5gpa or higher just like any other college.So overall, the only reason it's a ripoff is because the student failed and just not very bright. The classes in Devry must be regionally accredited courses, that other Universities can accept if transferring. And yes, these classes can be transferred. So please don't be stupid, all colleges use the same criteria.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

DeVry from the inside

AUTHOR: Anonymous DeVry Employ - (United States of America)

I am a corporate employee of DeVry at what they like to call the home office, not corporate headquarters.  It's funny because the current CEO Daniel Hamburger has publicly stated 'we don't see ourselves as a corporation like most other corporations'. I personally did my two year degree at community college and did my bachelors and masters at a private not-for-profit.  Although I work at DeVry, I can say with certainty that I would never have attended DeVry given what I know about it now from the inside.

First off, DeVry is about the money.  It's all a numbers game.  The more students, the more money.  We had what management calls a 'challenging' couple of years recently.  As such there were several layoffs.  If you think it's about education and furthering of society and intellect of the people, think about these points.  DeVry has the highest 3 year student loan default rate in the industry.  DeVry spends over $100,000 a day on internet click advertising.  DeVry costs a student well about the average per credit hour.  DeVry doesn't have sports programs (well maybe a bowling league at each campus - I'm not kidding). DeVry has no academic entrance requirements - ACT or SAT note required - just a be able to pay the small adminissions fee (waived in many cases if you know the system). It a benefit to DeVry if you're dumb as we can make more money off you.  Here's how.  You have to take an entrance exam.  If you fail one or moe areas that means you have to pay for basic leveling classes before you can take a college leve class. Marketing is the largest single rolled-up budget item (behind instructors).  DeVry targets minority students - go out and read DeVry's own reports to see this. I think because we see them as being easy victims.  Remember, it's like credit cards and DeVry is the second hand blender you bought 124 of over the course of 4 years.  Once it's over DeVry is fat and happy and you are left with the bill.  Smart people do community college followed by a 4 year public or non-profit school afterwords. Thankfully for DeVry, and my job I guess (but I really don't care anymore), there are a lot of ignorant and stupid people out there.

One interesting story about th quality of DeVry's education.  I was acidentally involved in a request that should have never come to me, but did.  A student enrolled in classes and flunked out the first semester.  3 years later the student got their act more together after failing out of several other schools and came back begging to DeVry.  The dean of the local school decided the student's ability to get grants, aid and loans outweighed any potential issues.  The dean decided to change all the F's to W's 3 years after the fact.  Apparently this happens more often than one would think judging by the email chain.  It's as simple as an email request from the dean and things are changed in the back-end without any record the North Central Accredidation (NCA CASI) can catch (or more likely write up) in an audit. Not that I don't hear stories about the NCA CASI, apparently they only care about their prestige and DeVry is another notch in their belt and a bunch of dollars in their wallet.

Final note about DeVry and education.  Would you rather hire a person who was more frugile and thought their education through from a community college to a 4-year school that makes sense (or at least they can take pride in) or someone that blows money at DeVry.  Me... I'd higher the first person.  But then again I work at DeVry where people walk out each day without giving notice and are often replaced with dumber individuals.  Now just try getting another job once you've got DeVry on your resume as an employer in the Chicago area.  Only chance you got if the person interviewing you feels sorry for you!
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

DECEPTION

AUTHOR: Vickye Poindexter-Wilson - (United States of America)

My list of complaints against
DeVry/Keller POMONA/COLTON CA,  is long but undistinguished.  
First and foremost is the fact that while at DeVry University, I was
told by DeVry representatives, I could transfer my credits to anywhere in the
world.  This proved not to be true as I
recently found out.  This explains why my
Deans and Admissions personnel at DeVry key-holed me into enrolling at Keller
University after my graduation.  I was
not made aware that DeVry had the incorrect accreditation for my success. 

Moreover, during my scholastic
career at DeVry, I followed the syllabus and purchased a textbook that was
outdated.  Upon commencing the class, I
became aware of DeVrys oversight and brought it to their attention.  I asked for my near three hundred dollars in
refund, since the mistake was DeVrys and was told in no uncertain terms no
way. 

Upon commencing my Bachelors
program at DeVry, no one in admissions made me aware I did not have enough
money disbursed to even enter the program. 
Shortly thereafter, I became painfully aware of this fact through research
that I would now owe approximately five thousand dollars to continue.   I had to beg, borrow but not steal the money
to continue.  My inclination was to drop
out, but I had already gone too far. 
Additionally, DeVry always played the shell-game with my refunds.  My communiques would say one amount and when
my remaining funds hit my accounts, I would always receive a drastically
decreased amount.  

Recently, I spoke with two Human
Resources Managers and asked them to review my resume.  These folks slapped me in the face with a
dose of reality. They told me my problem was not my resume, but in fact it was
that I attended DeVry and Keller.  Their
words to me were that DeVry/Keller puts out quantity but not quality.  Human Resources Mangers place DeVry and
Keller at the bottom of the pile and sometimes never look at the
submissions. 

 
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#13 Consumer Comment

Stay away from DeLie, DeVry

AUTHOR: Angry Consumer_10 - (United States of America)

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With President Obama winning election for a second term, it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that his administration will push even harder to revamp, or broaden the scope of, the previously pushed aside gainful-employment legislation.In response to this new scrutiny, earnings quality and student enrollment have quickly gone downhill. Apollo Group  (NASDAQ: APOL  ) , the owner of the University of Phoenix, posted a massive 60% decline in profits in its most recent quarter, and noted that it'd be laying off 800 workers and closing 115 of its campuses in order to save $300 million annually by 2014. Similarly, DeVry  (NYSE: DV  )  announced it was laying off 570 people, or 5.4% of its staff, over the summer in order to reduce expenses.

Hey guys, for over 5 years many of us have been telling you that these for profit schools are a scam. They overcharge for their product and the education is not what many employers are looking for. They want legitimate degrees from reputable colleges and universities, not the fast food education offered by school like DeLie, er, I mean DeVry.

Students are encumbered with debt that they will likely never be aboe to pay off. This is why Obama is so up at arms at these so called schools.

And and one more thing, CHILL is really Charles Hill. Last we heard he was a DeVry employee based out of the Chicago area. He used the code name CHILL in his correspondence. Who else but a DeVry employee would stjand up for this shamless outfit?

Best advice, stay away from DeVry. Everybody else is.

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#14 Consumer Comment

You are so wrong

AUTHOR: MOliver - (United States of America)

I can speak for myself. DeVry lied to me, stole four years of my life, taught me nothing of use and left me with a ton of debt.  I got a degree (piece of paper) with DeVry BS - CIS, they taught me absolutely nothing and pushed me through their mill of students. 

I got great grade because they encourage that and spent four very important years of my life trying just to finish up this waste of time and money. I made the Dean's list three times based on my grades and contributed to every class I attended.  However, the complete lack of information and useful skills they put out as part of their program has made me file complaints with the US Department of Education, Illinois Department of Justice, the BBB, DeVry itself and now I am trying to work towards getting a class action together with an attorney. 

I was laid off after 15 years at my job while I was getting this so called education and secured my present job in a completely different industry without completing the degree and without DeVry's assistance.  Their placement program contacted me after I graduated and said they could help place me in a job...get this at 10K less than my current salary....yeah right, thanks but no thanks.

So when I see anyone who says that this money grubbing, piece of garbage company (I would never mistake them for a college or university) is singing the praises of DeVry then you can personally talk to me about it if you want. 

Can you tell me how many other Universities have been sued for misconduct and educational malpractice? DeVry has been involved in a number of lawsuits and I dearly hope to add to their misery very soon.  I will never be able to get back the lost four years of my life on this piece of crap degree. 

If you want to blow the horn of DeVry go ahead, but you are a very small minority and they are out to steal and mislead as many as possible while providing zero return.

If anyone has found themselves taken in by DeVry I would highly recommend that you submit as many complaints as possible to governmental agencies.  Send me an email if you were lied to about the cost or have not been able to secure employment after getting this degree.  I can give you some advice and pass you along to the attorney I have been in contact with about the class action.

If you are with DeVry and reading this I hope to become a very big pain to you just like you are to me.

Michael Oliver (theoliversca@msn.com)
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#15 Consumer Comment

Devry good school

AUTHOR: maxblac - (United States of America)

I got out of the military and was looking to get my degree as quick as possible. I initially was at Georgia tech but tuition was too expensive. So i went to Devry, the people who are complaining thought it was going to be an easy ride and realize it wasn't. When I started there we over 200 hundred people who were basically in the same rotation(including morning and evening classes).  When I graduated it was probably 30. Its fast pace and everyone can't hang. Now lets speak on getting a job or companies placing values on a degree from Devry. Most people that I  graduated with got jobs at fortune 500 companies. Personally I got hired by IBM and in 97 when I graduated IBM without question was the biggest IT company at the time.  I have been a Software engineer ever since. It sound like Sour Grapes for the people who are complaining. 
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#16 Consumer Comment

Devry is a Good University

AUTHOR: FrankM - (United States of America)

I am a student at Devry University. I currently work, and only have time to take online classes. I am studying to get my degree in CIS (Computer Information Systems). I previously had gone to Columbia University in NYC where I didn't complete my studies for graduation. So after 12 years I decided to go back to college, and chose Devry. Why?

I didn't care which University I would go too, I just wanted to complete my studies, and Devry was the most favorable for online classes. Unfortunately Columbia does not offer online classes for the major I tend to complete. 25 of my credits transferred to Devry from Columbia U. This was allowed by an IVY league University. Columbia did mention to me that Devry is the most reputable private college in the United States. The classes I am taking online are just as hard, as the courses that I took at Columbia. The professors that grade me are from very reputable Universities nationwide. I had taken some advanced English courses and programming classes, that are not easy to pass, you really need to open the books and study. Devry even offered me a coach if needed, believe it or not they were Columbia U. graduates. Devry also offers tutoring if you get stuck. So basically they offer the same resources a state college or "Ivy League" University would offer also.

I just think that if you really study hard, focus and get at least a C or better, this University is good enough. Yes it may be private, but you get the education and experience needed. I wouldn't condemn this University, it depends on the classes and how much you as a person really wanted to learn. You can be smarter than a Harvard Graduate if you really try hard. Cisco, Apple and Microsoft do have Devry graduates working for them, I know because some are friends of mine that did graduate from this University, and yes they are making a great salary. Sorry if you had a bad time, but not everyone is having this problem.

 
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#17 Consumer Comment

DeVry University is NOT a scam!

AUTHOR: jujubecool - (United States of America)

I am a current student at DeVry University and I am very happy with the college. Both of my brothers have attended DeVry as well as two other friends. None of us have had any issues with the college. Both of my brothers have gotten very good jobs that DeVry helped place them in. As long as you attend your classes like you should, pay your bills on time, and don't let your grades drop below a C average you shouldn't have any problems. It's just like any other college, if you don't want to do the work then don't enroll.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Facts Don't Lie - DeVry Losing Student Enrollments

AUTHOR: DeVry''s Demise - (United States of America)

Anyone seeing DeVry taking a major dive in the stock markets shows they are finally losing. Students and government officials have finally become aware of how schools like DeVry make more promises to attain enrollment counts. Too bad they can't deliver the high-quality education they promise their students upon enrollment. There are several DeVry representatives paid to post positive reviews to protect the falling reputation of their schools. Imagine the only paying  job some DeVry graduates get is working for DeVry protecting their reputation and that paper-mill degree which most employers won't hire.  Well, at least some can pay towards their huge outstanding loans they owe for their low-quality education.

New Regulations take effect July 2012. It denies federal aid to programs that fail three tests of gainful employment three times in a four-year span: No doubt DeVry and many other for-profit schools will FAIL. DeVrys 1st objective was striving for higher enrollment to get their hands on easy federal grant money and military benefits. Until for-profit schools change their main focus to providing a reliable university education to all their students, they will likely lose federal aid and students who will be unable to qualify for future federal loans.  Student enrollments continue to fall as students choose local universities capable of
delivering a higher quality education at much lower costs.

The new rules will be as follows:

Are at least 35 percent of former students actively paying down their loans? In other words, roughly a third of ex-students must make payments that lower the loan balance by at least a dollar in a given year.

Are graduates spending 30 percent or less of their discretionary income on loan payments? This test seeks to ensure that loan payments are not eating up too much of the money left after graduates pay for basic needs.

Are graduates spending 12 percent or less of their total income on loan payments? This standard, related to the previous test, establishes that loan bills should not consume more than about an eighth of total earnings.

Programs that pass any of the three tests would retain eligibility to participate in federal aid initiatives, enabling qualified students to secure federal grants or loans.

This is perfectly reasonable to ask of for-profit schools and every for-profit program should be able to reach this goal. If they get three strikes over four years, then theyre out.

Good-bye DeVry, Apollo, Univ. of Phoenix, Kaplan etc. Never forget all the dedicated students who lost an opportunity of achieving
a college education; many not due to a fault of their own but due to indifferent greedy business executives out to get rich at the expense of their students.

For-profit universities who failed to provide the higher education they advertised and promised their students more than they could deliver.

When a business makes unsustainable promise to their consumers; they are holding the future of their reputation in their own hands. 

Losers make promises they often break.  Winners make commitments they strive to keep.

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#19 Consumer Comment

Facts Don't Lie - DeVry Losing Student Enrollments

AUTHOR: DeVry''s Demise - (United States of America)

Anyone seeing DeVry taking a major dive in the stock markets shows they are finally losing. Students and government officials have finally become aware of how schools like DeVry make more promises to attain enrollment counts. Too bad they can't deliver the high-quality education they promise their students upon enrollment. There are several DeVry representatives paid to post positive reviews to protect the falling reputation of their schools. Imagine the only paying  job some DeVry graduates get is working for DeVry protecting their reputation and that paper-mill degree which most employers won't hire.  Well, at least some can pay towards their huge outstanding loans they owe for their low-quality education.

New Regulations take effect July 2012. It denies federal aid to programs that fail three tests of gainful employment three times in a four-year span: No doubt DeVry and many other for-profit schools will FAIL. DeVrys 1st objective was striving for higher enrollment to get their hands on easy federal grant money and military benefits. Until for-profit schools change their main focus to providing a reliable university education to all their students, they will likely lose federal aid and students who will be unable to qualify for future federal loans.  Student enrollments continue to fall as students choose local universities capable of
delivering a higher quality education at much lower costs.

The new rules will be as follows:

Are at least 35 percent of former students actively paying down their loans? In other words, roughly a third of ex-students must make payments that lower the loan balance by at least a dollar in a given year.

Are graduates spending 30 percent or less of their discretionary income on loan payments? This test seeks to ensure that loan payments are not eating up too much of the money left after graduates pay for basic needs.

Are graduates spending 12 percent or less of their total income on loan payments? This standard, related to the previous test, establishes that loan bills should not consume more than about an eighth of total earnings.

Programs that pass any of the three tests would retain eligibility to participate in federal aid initiatives, enabling qualified students to secure federal grants or loans.

This is perfectly reasonable to ask of for-profit schools and every for-profit program should be able to reach this goal. If they get three strikes over four years, then theyre out.

Good-bye DeVry, Apollo, Univ. of Phoenix, Kaplan etc. Never forget all the dedicated students who lost an opportunity of achieving a college education; many not due to a fault of their own but due to indifferent greedy business executives out to get rich at the expense of their students.

For-profit universities who failed to provide the higher education they advertised and promised their students more than they could deliver.

When a business makes unsustainable promise to their consumers; they are holding the future of their reputation in their own hands. 

Losers make promises they often break.  Winners make commitments they strive to keep.

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#20 Consumer Comment

Go to a community college

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

Go to a community college instead of waisting your time and money at Devry, ITT Tech, etc.  Sorry almost no employer takes those degrees as from a "real college".  You are better off getting a book and pick up the requisite skills for a cert.

California has cracked down on for profit trade schools with SB 70.  If you are SB 70 impacted as the institution has too high of a Federal Student Loan default rate then you are ineligible for California financial aid.

Tough Luck.

Maybe it sounds like being on a high horse but realistically if you go to Devry or ITT Tech you are looking at getting a job that did not need the degree.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Seriously?

AUTHOR: echo4kw - (United States of America)

So i get that for profit education facilities will never be what people expect when they go to a university...and true, for a business management degree, you can never beat a state college. But what I've seen from Hoares, and others, is a lot of "this is horrible, this is awful, it's a waste of everything", but i don't see a lot of actual options. Where else would one go to get actual training in, say, computer networking? Some people can pick up a book, look at a switch, a modem, and a router, and make a network that works perfectly. For the rest of us? A place that gives us training is amazing.

I was a recruiter for the military, I've made the "arguements" against for profit schools, but what i *know* for a fact is that if you go somewhere like devry, UTI, WYOTECH, or any other for profit trade school, you'll get your certifications that you need and you'll get your experience. Please, tell me another school I can go to that offers a full range of classes for computer certifications. Go ahead.

Get off your "99% party" high horse, and either offer something useful to people who are coming here, or start a blog for your drivel.
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#22 Consumer Comment

and?

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

So you agree with everything I said, but you still slander it. Why did you have to waste your time with a petty nonsensical reply?  Just to be rude? 

Why am I wasting my time replying to a troll trying to drag on a dead argument?

From now on Im going to ignore this troll and I would advise everyone else to do the same. Even if he agrees with you he will try to slander everything you say.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Devry is just another for profit school

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> Hoapres, people are finding success with their degree from devry whether you like it or not. <<

Obviously some are finding success with their Devry diploma.  Many more are not.

>> You are right, devry is not berkely or harvard. <<

That's is the understatement of the year.

The big problem of course is that with the extremeley competitive job market, employers can often if not always demand a TOP 10 school.

>> Unfortunately not everybody has the opportunity to go to these universities. <<

The more relevant question would be are higher ranked public colleges exist offering you the same access as Devry for a lot lower cost.

At least in California, the answer is yes.

 >> Devry offers convenience that some people need, believe it or not. Stop your whining and do something productive instead of spreading lies about a school that you obviously have a personal problem with. <<

Sounds like Astrotufing for Devry.

I am not whining.  Sounds like you are whining when you start making phrases such as "spreading lies"

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#24 Consumer Comment

Devry diploma of dubious value

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> You have too much time on your hands Hoapres...and you have made many assumptions about me. You know nothing about me.  <<

I have not made any assumptions about you.  One of the problems with anoymous posters is that the contents are anonymous.  That is somewhat understandable so you should always be skeptical on what is posted.  Although it is a good idea being skeptical at all times.


>> I work in the management division of one the companies you state does not accept DeVry's diploma. <<

O.K.

How about NAMING the "...companies you state does not accept Devry's diploma..." ?? 

>>  Additionally, I have 19 years experience with this company and am not planning on leaving any time soon. <<

O.K.

But the Devry diploma is ONLY being used to remain with your current employer.  Reallistically the Devry diploma is ONLY needed because YOUR employer demands it.


Reality check.

Most people going to Devry are looking for NEW employment.

 >> I can stay right where I am with my $75K salary.  <<

$75K after 19 years is hardly a success story in the corporate world.  Of course in this economy many would be extremely happy with ANY $75K a yer job.

>> My employer will gladly open the door for me to move up with a diploma from DeVry...he suggested I look for a school that can be flexible, as I have a pretty demanding workload. <<

Let me say up front that I am skeptical that you are working for ANY of the companies I mentioned in my prior post if for no other reason I know the policies of those companies.  

>> For me, DeVry fits that perfectly with their online courses. They do have the option to take the class onsite in their satellite if a student prefers. <<

So what ??

So do many public institutions.

>> Go ahead and rant all you want. I imagine you will go through great lengths to win this argument...even if you have to make most of it up. <<

That's the problem.  I think you are making most of this up.  19 years at a company making $75K a year and then moving up to management with a company that probably  does not accept for profit trade school diplomas.  

Like I said before, you are NOT the typical Devry student.  Staying at a company for 19 years with the intent of finishing your career with the employer paying the educational costs is one thing, if you have to go out and spend your own money trying to get another job then that is another thing all together. 
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#25 Consumer Comment

Hoapres

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

Hoapres, people are finding success with their degree from devry whether you like it or not. You are right, devry is not berkely or harvard. Unfortunately not everybody has the opportunity to go to these universities. Devry offers convenience that some people need, believe it or not. Stop your whining and do something productive instead of spreading lies about a school that you obviously have a personal problem with. 
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#26 General Comment

hoapres

AUTHOR: JSS - (United States of America)

You have too much time on your hands Hoapres...and you have made many assumptions about me. You know nothing about me. I work in the management division of one the companies you state does not accept DeVry's diploma. Additionally, I have 19 years experience with this company and am not planning on leaving any time soon. I can stay right where I am with my $75K salary. My employer will gladly open the door for me to move up with a diploma from DeVry...he suggested I look for a school that can be flexible, as I have a pretty demanding workload. For me, DeVry fits that perfectly with their online courses. They do have the option to take the class onsite in their satellite if a student prefers.

Go ahead and rant all you want. I imagine you will go through great lengths to win this argument...even if you have to make most of it up. 
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#27 Consumer Suggestion

Devry college degree hardly legitimate

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> I'm a student at DeVry and I'm not completely happy with everything they offer, but it seems like a legitimate college  <<

The big question is do prospective employers consider a Devry diploma "legitmate".

That is YOU as a prospective Devry student need to determine BEFORE you go to college.

With that said, the following employers don't consider a Devry graduate as "legitimate" for entry level graduates without experience

Google, Facebook, Yahoo, NASA, etc.


>> . I've had to work to earn my grades and I've actually learned quite a bit. <<

The problem as often mentioned is that a school is judged by the WORST graduate.  Part of the reason that when jobs exist which for the moment don't that graduates of TOP 10 schools are coveted as their is a warranty of sorts with almost EVERY GRADUATE.  It is extremely UNLIKELY that a UC Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc. CS or EE graduate won't be able to do the job that reasonably matches the degree.

>>  I came to the school with 3 other degrees (2 AAs and 1 BS) <<

O.K.


>> . My current employer is paying for me to go to DeVry as my other degrees don't apply to my job <<

O.K.

If you can get the employer to pay the educational expense then your only cost is the time.  Some employers notably Intel WILL NOT pay for the educational costs of a Devry or other for profit school diploma.

.>>  In fact, I can't get promoted at my job any further without getting a business degree <<

O.K.

If you are fortunate enough to stick with your current employer for the rest of your career then the perceived quality of Devry won't be an issue.  If you have to find another employer at some point then attending Devry versus another college might be a factor.  One way to reduce any stigma of a Devry degree is to make sure that your work experience would be relevant to any future employer. 

>> . I'm experienced at my job, but the door won't open without it...period. <<

Clearly you can't change your employer's policies regarding advancement.  With that said, your employer places too much value on a college diploma.  Of course you have to play by the employer's rules to get ahead, as long as the employer is willing to pay for the Devry diploma then by all means go for it.  You may have other options regarding other colleges but again the major factor is to do whatever is needed to keep your current employer happy. 

>> My employer has already seen what I've learned put to the test on the job...and he's blown away. <<

O.K.

But the natural question is : Why do you need the Devry college degree for advancement ?? It sounds like your job performance rather than college education is sufficient grounds for promotion.


 >> Go ahead and rant...most of the complaints I read here are very similar to the whining I remember back in the 90s when I was attending USF.<<
 
Sorry.

Most of the "rants" is based on the exorbinant costs of for profit schools with the earned diploma not being held in regard by prospective employers.

>> There are people dragging their feet at DeVry...and there were plenty of them back in Florida as well. <<

If you "drag your feet" at a TOP 10 school then YOU are flunked out.  A general problem with ALL for profit schools is that NO INCENTIVE exists to maintain HIGH ACADEMIC STANDARDS.  At least for the short term, one has a DISINCENTIVE to maintain academic standards as every student lost is a loss to corporate profits.



>>  It's interesting how everyone complains about private colleges being a scam yet they swear that the only way for a youngster to get a good primary education is to dish up the dough for private schooling. <<

Got that wrong.

Most people saying "ALL FOR PROFIT TRADE SCHOOLS" explicitly mention the LOW COST PUBLIC community colleges and state universities as a much better alternative.

>>  Give me a break...at least DeVry can fire employees for substandard performance (if they choose too)...not going to happen in a public university without a scandal!!! <<

Way off base.

If you are going to tell me that a UC Berkeley professor is not more academically qualified that a Devry instructor then I have a big bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

It's not an issue of firing an employee but more an issue of "flunking out the students".  A good public institution WILL flunk out students that can't meet the academic requirements.  Flunking out of an academic program does not make one a bad person but merely means that you will have to do something else.

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#28 General Comment

Wow...give me a break!

AUTHOR: JSS - (United States of America)

I'm a student at DeVry and I'm not completely happy with everything they offer, but it seems like a legitimate college. I've had to work to earn my grades and I've actually learned quite a bit. I came to the school with 3 other degrees (2 AAs and 1 BS). My current employer is paying for me to go to DeVry as my other degrees don't apply to my job. In fact, I can't get promoted at my job any further without getting a business degree. I'm experienced at my job, but the door won't open without it...period. My employer has already seen what I've learned put to the test on the job...and he's blown away. Go ahead and rant...most of the complaints I read here are very similar to the whining I remember back in the 90s when I was attending USF. There are people dragging their feet at DeVry...and there were plenty of them back in Florida as well. It's interesting how everyone complains about private colleges being a scam yet they swear that the only way for a youngster to get a good primary education is to dish up the dough for private schooling. Give me a break...at least DeVry can fire employees for substandard performance (if they choose too)...not going to happen in a public university without a scandal!!!
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#29 Consumer Comment

For profit trade schools are a sham

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> Mr. Danny (hoapres) from San Jose. <<

I'm not Danny.


>> You really have exposed a Personal Issue against DeVry University system (profit company). <<


I have a problem with For Profit Trade schools in general but I would hardly represent that as a "Personal Issue" 

>> The question is why? all I can do, is just imagine the answer for such bitterness in your post against this institution, probably more likely against the San Jose campus in particular, since you are in that part of the region and you may have all the right to feel like that if you experience something bad from them. <<

Devry doesn't have a San Jose Campus.  Devry has one in Fremont.

>> Regarding your points of criticism against DeVry are, and please allow me to not list them all. <<

O.K.

>> 1)     "Devry can't get REGIONAL accreditation says a LOT" <<

Correct.

Devry credits won't transfer to the California State University or University of California College system.

>> 2)     "Devry is too expensive". High Cost than traditional Universities <<

Accurate.  


>> 3)     "So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans in a timely manner". <<

This is correct.  The proof can be determined by comparing the default rate on for profit trade schools versus the public colleges.


>> 4)     "Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools" <<

Correct.


>> Point #1, I already provided the information for you to
educate yourself and stop providing misleading facts about the regional accreditation of DeVry campuses around the country in my post #137. <<

When I see phrases such as "stop providing" then I start to suspect Astroturfing.  With that said, it is a straightforward matter to check accreditation.  Devry does NOT have accreditation from the "accreditation bodies that count" in the areas of engineering, health care and business administration.




>> Point #2 and 3, I agree DeVry classes compared to traditional Universities are more expensive, although the latest tuition fees and the cost for the textbooks are closing the gap. <<

Mostly wrong.

Community colleges, state universities are almost always a much better deal even given the tuition increases.  Financial aid is definitely much more free available at the public postsecondary educational system as well.

UC Berkeley now caps tuition and fees to no more than 10% of the family income.  Granted UC Berkeley can do this because it is fairly well endowed.  If the family makes $60,000 then the maximum cost for a year at UC Berkeley is $6,000

Of course one has the not so slight problem of being admitted to UC Berkeley. 

 >> DeVry provides textbooks for less than $80 dollars for the general education classes. <<

Taken as an offer of proof that "less than $80 dollars" is accurate.  This would also be the case for general education classes at the community college and state university system as well.

>> This is a fact but here comes the issue that you dont understand or you have just focused on a segment of students, which your assumptions of expensiveness do not fit. <<

My assumptions seem sound.  Otherwise, I agree to the extent that one should consider the assumptions along with the factual basis for the claims made.

>>  Graduating without a loan is the best thing it can happen, agreed but now days not every single soul that wants to attend a traditional University can get in, for many factors, grades, lack of support from family, no $$ available or simply was not selected by the U.  <<

But you ignore the fact that it is a LOT easier to get into A public institution then it was 10 or more years ago.  The US pretty much has UNIVERSAL postsecondary education.  YOU don't need to go to a for profit trade school.  Almost everybody can do the first two years of a 4 year degree at the low cost publicly supported community college.



>> Graduating with a $70K student loan is not the best thing, but the risk is worth it? <<

That's the question.

In general, I would have to say the answer is no.

A college degree is no longer special.  If everybody gets a college degree then clearly it does not have any special value.  One of the reasons I am noticing a greater emphasis than ever before on the NAME of your college is that NOT everyone graduates from a UC Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech,... than OTHER colleges.  Even worse is that a BS degree is "no longer a big deal".  In many cases, you now need either a MS or PhD degree to be considered for employment.

>>  A graduate student starts with a paying job of $40K to $50K a year (based on CA technical salary). <<

No they don't.

CA technical salary (presumably survey) are worthless as no one checks to see if the information provided is accurate.

$40K in California is poverty in California as the typical apartment rent is likely to be over $1,200 a month. 



 >> A  non-graduate starts a job $25K to $30K. <<

But the non-graduate after 4 years of work may be making more than $25K a year.

 >> These three individuals (or categories) working on their field of interest over 10 or 15 years, more likely the two graduate student have an equivalent salary level than the non-graduate individual which obviously in general speaking will be much lower and the student loan by this time will be paid off and/or obviously decreased. I dont how old you or how smart you are to understand, that is better to have an education in order to achieve many other goals in life and have better opportunities. <<

I am not convinced.

IF the high school graduate proceeds directly to work and invests his disposable income that he has for the 4 or more years that one needs to get a BS degree then the high school graduate is likely to be a lot better off financially than the typical college graduate.



>> You have demonstrated a significant level of immaturity on your posts therefore I can conclude that you are not in an engineering level or at least not to your desired engineering position. It will be very disappointed to learn that someone with this level of judgment can be in engineering management, this poor judgment or immaturity is a big stopper for growing into management. <<

You don't know that and you are merely guessing.  One's credibility goes down when you start attacking people who respond to your posts based on professional standing or personal characteristics.

As I said before, YOU don't know what I do for a living.  You don't know whether I am employed or not.  You don't know about my educational background, etc.





>> My personal situation or experience, DeVry is cheaper than traditional university because I preferred to keep working while attending classes, this allowed me to keep my steady income plus tuition reimbursement from my employer toward the B.S. program, <<

Key operative word, "personal".  If your employer pays for the degree then you don't have a cost issue.  I point out that Intel does NOT subsidize the educational expenses for a Devry degree.

 >> and by the way, its a federal regulation to encourage employers to provide tuition reimbursement for accredited institutions, meaning if an employer will have such benefit program, it cannot discriminate an accredited institution, Do you understand this? <<

Yes it can.

1.  There isn't a "federal regulation" (care to cite something from CFR to back the claim) to "encourage employers...".

2.  You can tell Intel that it is NOT acceptable to pay for a Stanford degree without offering to pay for a Devry diploma.  Something tells me that Intel legal department would have a big laugh if "you decided to call them out on that" with a lawsuit.


>> Or you think employers will provide such benefits without adhering to the federal regulation to get credit for it? <<

See above.



>>  Search the facts before making the assumptions as a good engineer you say you are, this practice will help to eliminate the immaturity you have demonstrated in your posts. <<

See above with regards to claims about "assumptions". With that said, I never said that I was a "good engineer".  Maybe I am a "good" engineer or not.  My experience has been that those being truly "good" don't have an ego trip feeling a need to "prove it".

>>  Devry EET program costs $75K, <<

Way too much money.  CSU and UC are much cheaper and a LOT BETTER.

>> Ive got credit for my A.S. college classes and EET will cost me $45K, I have received $24K tuition reimbursement from my employer and I will end up with a student loan of $21K for a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology, which I am not afraid to acquired, a car cost more than that. <<

Clearly $21K is better than $75K.  The relevant question is NOT the value that your current employer places on the Devry degree but the value ANY FUTURE employer puts on the Devry degree.  It also helps that you have RELEVANT WORK EXPERIENCE such that the handicap of a Devry diploma versus a reputable public institution is a LOT LESS than for a new graduate without any relevant work experience.

>>  If I had decided to attend traditional university, I would have quit my job and still it would have taken more than 2 years to complete the degree and loose over $170K steady income. Of course this is my particular situation. <<

Maybe or maybe not.

In California, you could get the degree at a CSU by taking night classes. If you are making close to $80K a year then you might have not needed the Devry degree in the first place.


>> Please read post #114 of this tread which I posted back in 2010, I am not lying, I dont need to, I am an objective mature man that research and analyses all the facts for any endeavor I get into. I hate to be repeating others people opinion because that all it is others people own experiences.   <<

But people asking for advice are NOT interested in just YOUR personal situation but what is going to be the LIKELY outcome for THEIR personal situation.

With that said,

It is YOUR responsibility to gather as many sources of INFORMATION to determine the best course of action for YOUR personal circumstances.  

AND

Don't take the opinion of ANY ONE PERSON especially by ANONYMOUS posters on a discussion board as definitive advice.

>> Point #4, you are partially right but still wrong on your assumption! Ive been accepted in CSU-Long Beach and I am currently being evaluated by UC Irvine to join their Masters program. I was not accepted in the USCs master program. If this is shocking for you, all you have to do is to get into their website and talk to the dean of the program. <<

The CSU engineering programs are ALL in serious trouble because of the declining qualities of the applicant pool.  More than one CSU may have to shut down some engineering programs because of the poor student quality.   Even the UC system (with the exception of UC Berkeley) are noticing serious declines in the academic qualifications of graduate student applicants.

>> I think your big and major problem is the lack of knowledge or understanding of DeVrys B.S. in Electronics Engineering Technology and B.S. in Electronics Engineering programs,<<

I have seen the curricula and am not impressed.  My impressions don't really matter, the impressions that matter are the view of your prospective employers.

>>  I searched to learn the differences before I joined DeVry to know what my expectations are, after completing the program. <<

O.K.

But a lot of people have not.  And many people have been sorely disappointed with their expectations not being fulfilled.



 >> And before you rebuttal stating that that is not a valid curriculum, please visit the CSU-Long Beach and Penn State Universities website and educate yourself to avoid ridiculing yourself.  <<

Those so interested can compare CSU-Long Beach along with Penn State versus Devry.  With that said and I did make a cursory glance, I am not impressed at least to the extent of saying Devry is a "valid curriculum".



 >> The lack of understanding of this distinction by the manufacturing director, on the place I worked provoked the elimination of the three individuals I mentioned on my previous post, for not meeting his expectations in manufacturing. I think these three individuals were more suitable for Research Technology or Developing Technology group. <<

Unfortunately perceptions often drive reality.  If the perception that your school is "worthless" then the reality is that your school is truly "worthless" to the extent that the prospective employer declines your application for employment.

>> As you stated before a MOUTHPIECE. This is what I recall were your statements: <<

O.K.

>> - For profit ITT and DeVry not regionally accredited. ITT is not and I dont know if they will soon but DeVry is. <<

Correct.

>> -Maxwell equation taught in High Scholl level, but is not shown with the emphasis of analyzing or designing just exploratory and it not part of an A.S. for electronics. <<

My high school introduced Maxwell's equations.  We also built a SSB amateur radio from scratch.

 
>> - The argument or statements you provided to Eric and comparing his A.S. DeVry program to a Berkeley program. <<

More accurate in that I said that as a prospective employer, I would have almost no doubts about a UC Berkeley versus a Devry graduate regarding getting the job.

>> No comparison but still you engaged on it (insensible and immature).  <<

There you go again.  Derogatory remarks to those that disagree with you.

>> Eric is an outstanding individual because he has decided to change his projected future on getting into a program, he expects will help him to accomplish his goal. <<

The prospective employer's view and yours of "outstanding" might differ.



>>  Probably he is just tired of doing the roof work. Have you done such a work like that before to ask him to stay in that business? <<

I sure have.

I would want to be a roofer either but the more relevant question is can a roofer move over into the declining American electronic industry.


>> I have been very objective and I have provided the information for you to research the facts to what I have stated here. I hope it really helps you and use your engineering approach to learn the differences of the programs to stop presuming certain expectations in general. <<

You have not been very objective.


>> Read my post #114. I agreed that DeVry is not for anyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program. This is a logical practice to get the facts of the program of interest and the expected functional task to be performed along with the salary bracket and unfortunately this is the major flaw, I see on the individuals that posted here. <<

The problem is that a Devry graduate is not likely to find better than a "throw away" job.  The US doesn't do that much in electronics anymore.  What little "electronics" being done in the US is of the high end R&D type with a Devry degree not being enough. 

>> Please provide verifiable facts in your rebuttal to avoid your endless responses (which remind me of my teenage daughter). Be specific and concise from one Engineer to another Engineer or just post what DeVry did to you personally. <<

Since you have not provide any "verifiable facts" but merely a long monologue, I don't feel a need to provide "verifiable facts".
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#30 Consumer Comment

DeVry is not for anyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program.

AUTHOR: Vinster - (United States of America)

Mr. hoapres from San Jose.

You really have exposed a Personal Issue against DeVry University system (profit company).
The question is why? all I can do, is just imagine the answer for such bitterness in your post against this institution, probably more likely against the San Jose campus in particular, since you are in that part of the region and you may have all the right to feel like that if you experience something bad from them.
Regarding your points of criticism against DeVry are, and please allow me to not list them all.
1) "Devry can't get REGIONAL accreditation says a LOT".
2) "Devry is too expensive". High Cost than traditional Universities
3)  "So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans in a timely manner".
4)  "Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools"

Point #1, I already provided the information for you to educate yourself and stop providing misleading facts about the regional accreditation of DeVry campuses around the country in my post #137.

Point #2 and 3, I agree DeVry classes compared to traditional Universities are more expensive, although the latest tuition fees and the cost for the textbooks are closing the gap. DeVry provides textbooks for less than $80 dollars for the general education classes. This is a fact but here comes the issue that you dont understand or you have just focused on a segment of students, which your assumptions of expensiveness do not fit. Graduating without a loan is the best thing it can happen, agreed but now days not every single soul that wants to attend a traditional University can get in, for many factors, grades, lack of support from family, no $$ available or simply was not selected by the U.

Graduating with a $70K student loan is not the best thing but the risk is worth it? A graduate student starts with a paying job of $40K to $50K a year (based on CA technical salary). A non-graduate starts a job $25K to $30K. These three individuals (or categories) working on their field of interest over 10 or 15 years, more likely the two graduate student have an equivalent salary level than the non-graduate individual which obviously in general speaking will be much lower and the student loan by this time will be paid off and/or obviously decreased. I dont how old you or how smart you are to understand, that is better to have an education in order to achieve many other goals in life and have better opportunities.

You have demonstrated a significant level of immaturity on your posts therefore I can conclude that you are not in an engineering level or at least not to your desired engineering position. It will be very disappointed to learn that someone with this level of judgment can be in engineering management, this poor judgment or immaturity is a big stopper for growing into management.

My personal situation or experience, DeVry is cheaper than traditional university because I preferred to keep working while attending classes, this allowed me to keep my steady income plus tuition reimbursement from my employer toward the B.S. program, and by the way, its a federal regulation to encourage employers to provide tuition reimbursement for accredited institutions, meaning if an employer will have such benefit program, it cannot discriminate an accredited institution, Do you understand this? Or you think employers will provide such benefits without adhering to the federal regulation to get credit for it? Search the facts before making the assumptions as a good engineer you say you are, this practice will help to eliminate the immaturity you have demonstrated in your posts. The Devry EET program costs $75K, Ive got credit for my A.S. college classes and EET will cost me $45K, I have received $24K tuition reimbursement from my employer and I will end up with a student loan of $21K for a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology, which I am not afraid to acquired, a car cost more than that. If I had decided to attend traditional university, I would have quit my job and still it would have taken more than 2 years to complete the degree and loose over $170K steady income. Of course this is my particular situation. Please read post #114 of this tread I posted back in 2010, I am not lying, I dont need to, I am an objective mature man that researches and analyses all the facts for any endeavor I get into. I hate to be repeating others people opinion because that all it is others people own experiences.

Point #4, you are partially right but still wrong on your assumption! Ive been accepted in CSU-Long Beach and I am currently being evaluated by UC Irvine to join their Masters program. I was not accepted in the USCs master program. All these are for most part online programs. If this is shocking for you, all you have to do is to get into their website and talk to the dean of the program.

I think your big and major problem is the lack of knowledge or understanding of DeVrys B.S. in Electronics Engineering Technology and B.S. in Electronics Engineering programs, I searched to learn the differences before I joined DeVry to know what my expectations are, after completing the program. And before you dissect this response and provide a rebuttal stating that that is not a valid curriculum, please visit the CSU-Long Beach and Penn State Universities website and educate yourself to avoid ridiculing yourself.  The lack of understanding of this distinction by the manufacturing director, on the place I worked provoked the elimination of the three individuals I mentioned on my previous post, for not meeting his expectations in manufacturing. I think these three individuals were more suitable for Research Technology or Developing Technology group.

As you stated before a MOUTHPIECE. This is what I recall were your statements:
- For profit ITT and DeVry not regionally accredited. ITT is not and I dont know if they will soon but DeVry is.
- Maxwell's equation taught in High Scholl level, but is not shown with the emphasis of analyzing or designing just exploratory and it not part of an A.S. for electronics.
- The argument or statements you provided to Eric and comparing his A.S. DeVry program to a Berkeley program. No comparison but still you engaged on it (insensible and immature). Eric is an outstanding individual because he has decide to change his projected future on getting into a program he expects will help him to accomplish his goal. Probably he is just tired of doing the roof work. Have you done such a work like that before to ask him to stay in that business?

I have been very objective and I have provided the information for you to research the facts to what I have stated here. I hope it really helps you and use your engineering approach to learn the differences of the programs to stop presuming certain expectations in general.

Read my post #114. I agreed that DeVry is not for anyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program. This is a logical practice to get the facts of the program of interest and the expected functional task to be performed along with the salary bracket and unfortunately this is the major flaw, I see on the individuals that posted here.

Please provide verifiable facts in your rebuttal to avoid your endless responses (which remind me of my teenage daughter). Be specific and concise from one Engineer to another Engineer or just post what DeVry did to you personally.

Regards,

Vinster
P.S. Sorry Eric and I are not the same person and I am not employed by DeVry or any other for profit college.
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#31 Consumer Comment

DeVry is not for everyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program they get in!

AUTHOR: Vinster - (United States of America)

Mr. Danny (hoapres) from San Jose.

You really have exposed a Personal Issue against DeVry University system (profit company).

The question is why? all I can do, is just imagine the answer for such bitterness in your post against this institution, probably more likely against the San Jose campus in particular, since you are in that part of the region and you may have all the right to feel like that if you experience something bad from them.
Regarding your points of criticism against DeVry are, and please allow me to not list them all.
1)     "Devry can't get REGIONAL accreditation says a LOT"
2)     "Devry is too expensive". High Cost than traditional Universities
3)     "So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans in a timely manner".
4)     "Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools"

Point #1, I already provided the information for you to
educate yourself and stop providing misleading facts about the regional accreditation of DeVry campuses around the country in my post #137.

Point #2 and 3, I agree DeVry classes compared to traditional Universities are more expensive, although the latest tuition fees and the cost for the textbooks are closing the gap. DeVry provides textbooks for less than $80 dollars for the general education classes. This is a fact but here comes the issue that you dont understand or you have just focused on a segment of students, which your assumptions of expensiveness do not fit. Graduating without a loan is the best thing it can happen, agreed but now days not every single soul that wants to attend a traditional University can get in, for many factors, grades, lack of support from family, no $$ available or simply was not selected by the U. 

Graduating with a $70K student loan is not the best thing, but the risk is worth it? A graduate student starts with a paying job of $40K to $50K a year (based on CA technical salary). A  non-graduate starts a job $25K to $30K. These three individuals (or categories) working on their field of interest over 10 or 15 years, more likely the two graduate student have an equivalent salary level than the non-graduate individual which obviously in general speaking will be much lower and the student loan by this time will be paid off and/or obviously decreased. I dont how old you or how smart you are to understand, that is better to have an education in order to achieve many other goals in life and have better opportunities.

You have demonstrated a significant level of immaturity on your posts therefore I can conclude that you are not in an engineering level or at least not to your desired engineering position. It will be very disappointed to learn that someone with this level of judgment can be in engineering management, this poor judgment or immaturity is a big stopper for growing into management.

My personal situation or experience, DeVry is cheaper than traditional university because I preferred to keep working while attending classes, this allowed me to keep my steady income plus tuition reimbursement from my employer toward the B.S. program, and by the way, its a federal regulation to encourage employers to provide tuition reimbursement for accredited institutions, meaning if an employer will have such benefit program, it cannot discriminate an accredited institution, Do you understand this? Or you think employers will provide such benefits without adhering to the federal regulation to get credit for it? Search the facts before making the assumptions as a good engineer you say you are, this practice will help to eliminate the
immaturity you have demonstrated in your posts. Devry EET program costs $75K, Ive got credit for my A.S. college classes and EET will cost me $45K, I have received $24K tuition reimbursement from my employer and I will end up with a student loan of $21K for a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology, which I am not afraid to acquired, a car cost more than that. If I had decided to attend traditional university, I would have quit my job and still it would have taken more than 2 years to complete the degree and loose over $170K steady income. Of course this is my particular situation.

Please read post #114 of this tread which I posted back in 2010, I am not lying, I dont need to, I am an objective mature man that research and analyses all the facts for any endeavor I get into. I hate to be repeating others people opinion because that all it is others people own experiences.

Point #4, you are partially right but still wrong on your assumption! Ive been accepted in CSU-Long Beach and I am currently being evaluated by UC Irvine to join their Masters program. I was not accepted in the USCs master program. If this is shocking for you, all you have to do is to get into their website and talk to the dean of the program.

I think your big and major problem is the lack of knowledge or understanding of DeVrys B.S. in Electronics Engineering Technology and B.S. in Electronics Engineering programs, I searched to learn the differences before I joined DeVry to know what my expectations are, after completing the program. And before you rebuttal stating that that is not a valid curriculum, please visit the CSU-Long Beach and Penn State Universities website and educate yourself to avoid ridiculing yourself.  The lack of understanding of this distinction by the manufacturing director, on the place I worked provoked the elimination of the three individuals I mentioned on my previous post, for not meeting his expectations in manufacturing. I think these three individuals were more suitable for Research Technology or Developing Technology group.

As you stated before a MOUTHPIECE. This is what I recall were your statements:
- For profit ITT and DeVry not regionally accredited. ITT is not and I dont know if they will soon but DeVry is.
-Maxwell equation taught in High Scholl level, but is not shown with the emphasis of analyzing or designing just exploratory and it not part of an A.S. for electronics.
- The argument or statements you provided to Eric and comparing his A.S. DeVry program to a Berkeley program. No comparison but still you engaged on it (insensible and immature). Eric is an outstanding individual because he has decided to change his projected future on getting into a program, he expects will help him to accomplish his goal. Probably he is just tired of doing the roof work. Have you done such a work like that before to ask him to stay in that business?

I have been very objective and I have provided the information for you to research the facts to what I have stated here. I hope it really helps you and use your engineering approach to learn the differences of the programs to stop presuming certain expectations in general.

Read my post #114. I agreed that DeVry is not for anyone, it is for individuals committed to learn in a fast pace and for people that know what they want out of the program. This is a logical practice to get the facts of the program of interest and the expected functional task to be performed along with the salary bracket and unfortunately this is the major flaw, I see on the individuals that posted here.

Please provide verifiable facts in your rebuttal to avoid your endless responses (which remind me of my teenage daughter). Be specific and concise from one Engineer to another Engineer or just post what DeVry did to you personally.

Regards,

Vinster

(Sorry Eric and I, are not the same person and I am not employed by DeVry or other for profit college)
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#32 Consumer Comment

The issue is Chill a Devry employee

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

The issue is Chill a Devry employee or student ?? 
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#33 Consumer Comment

Danny, what is your problem?

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

I agree the DeVry is generally crap/sleazy, but why are you attacking those here that have had success with it? Maybe they happened to get good teachers. Chill seems quite intelligent, and he/she works hard, and acknowledges nothing is given; you have to earn everything you get. Compared to most posters on this site, I am quite impressed with him/her. Anyone that works to better their lot in life should be commended. 

And BTW, calling it "DeLie" is incredibly immature. 
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#34 Consumer Comment

Before you attend Devry or any other college

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

"So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans."

>> This is true for some students, though not all. Many graduates from state universities cannot pay back either, but Devry is very expensive and like to take advantage of students. I graduated free of debt. I did things differently than most people however. <<

That's the problem.

Devry is too expensive.

Along with the fact that many employers don't recognize the degree.  Try to get an IT job in Silicon Valley with a Devry diploma and put in crude English perhaps "See how far you get".  You won't be getting very far.

The other problem with ALL for profit schools is that they have a VESTED interest in keeping you as a student even when it would be in everybody's interest to "flunk you out".  Flunking out of a program does not make you a bad person but merely means you need to do something else.  The problem with "keeping everybody around" is that I as a PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYER will judge YOUR COLLEGE based on the WORST graduate.  If I or someone that I know had a bad experience with a graduate of your college then it is likely to be tainted for a very long time.  The good students end up starting off at the publicly supported community college or state university not only because the cost is cheaper but it is often more than just walking in off the street to get into the program.

College has become an expensive and in many cases an unwarranted aptitude test.  Many jobs really don't require a college degree but employers use it as a screening tool.  Even worse is that many employers now use the NAME of the school as a screening tool. 

It's not fair and kind of sad.  The BS degree has become so common since "almost everybody is going to college" that it is becoming almost worthless.  Many employers now require a minimum of an MS degree or even a PhD along with prior internship experience before you are even considered for employment.  


"Got that mostly wrong.  I don't know of ANY recent (to which I know of over 20) that have found ANY decent job because of a Devry degree. "

>> your circle of 20 people is nothing compared to all of the Devry alumni in the country. I know 20 people with devry degrees who are employed, some of them got the degree to become an officer in the army. <<

I know of LOTS of Devry graduates that are employed.  Only problem is that the vast majority have jobs that won't pay the student loan back at least on a timely basis.

If you currently have a job along with the employer picking up the costs then going to Devry might make sense.  Just point out that some companies tuition reimbursement policy does not accept Devry, ITT Tech, etc. or other for profit school.

I have to take your word for it regarding the Army Officer.  Most likely he was enlisted and went to Devry.  I don't believe for a moment that a fresh Devry graduate today is going to get an Army commission.  The competition for 2nd Lieutenant slots is so competitive right now along with the Army's upcoming reduction in force that walking in off the street with ANY college diploma won't get you an officer slot.  You will need to be a graduate of the Point or from a ROTC program with a BS degree.



>> Right now you seem to be angry with Devry and are using this website as a vent to let off hot air. No matter what I or anybody says, you are going to find a justification "disproving" their statement. Although this is good for a school debate, where you must defend your side to the end, it is not necessary here. <<

Who says I am angry with Devry ?? I just call them the way I see them.   

With regards to transfer of credits


"Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools."

>> Yes they do, I have talked many friends into transferring from Devry to state universities and most of their credits did transfer, although some did not of course. Even state universities will not accept 100% of the credits from other reputable state universities. <<

Most credits don't transfer.  Of course you have to check with the school you wish to attend.  With regards to STEM fields, simply put "Devry's credit don't".  

State university credits in the vast majority of cases transfer from one college to another.  I know of more than one Devry graduate that has been "left holding the bag" trying to transfer credits without success.




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#35 Consumer Comment

let it go

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

"Life is not a popularity contest.  One of the US' problems is that people are overly concerned about what other people think of them. " 

*Life is a popularity contest. A job interview depends on what the company thinks of you. Dating and having friends also depends on what others think of you. If you want to live life as a social nonconformist rebel, be prepared to live with the side effects of that lifestyle.

"Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools."

*Yes they do, I have talked many friends into transferring from Devry to state universities and most of their credits did transfer, although some did not of course. Even state universities will not accept 100% of the credits from other reputable state universities.

"So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans."

*This is true for some students, though not all. Many graduates from state universities cannot pay back either, but Devry is very expensive and like to take advantage of students. I graduated free of debt. I did things differently than most people however.

"Got that mostly wrong.  I don't know of ANY recent (to which I know of over 20) that have found ANY decent job because of a Devry degree. "

*your circle of 20 people is nothing compared to all of the Devry alumni in the country. I know 20 people with devry degrees who are employed, some of them got the degree to become an officer in the army.

Right now you seem to be angry with Devry and are using this website as a vent to let off hot air. No matter what I or anybody says, you are going to find a justification "disproving" their statement. Although this is good for a school debate, where you must defend your side to the end, it is not necessary here.

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#36 Consumer Comment

Devry graduates are not getting good jobs

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

All of this arguing over the same thing is pointless. Maybe or maybe not. Some people like Devry University, some people hate it. Obviously. But that is not saying anything.
No matter how good you do in this debate, you both are going to look like complete idiots who dont need to be employed by anyone.

Life is not a popularity contest.  One of the US' problems is that people are overly concerned about what other people think of them.  

Devry is a for profit, regionally accredited university in the united states. It has to provide a decent education or else it wouldnt be regionally accredited. Got that wrong. Devry credits don't transfer to reputable schools.
 
In my opinion and the opinions of many others it is very expensive. So expensive that the graduates can't find a job to pay back the student loans.

Devry U is no MIT.

That is an understatement.   but there are people benefiting from it with decent jobs in this tough economy. Got that mostly wrong.  I don't know of ANY recent (to which I know of over 20) that have found ANY decent job because of a Devry degree.  
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#37 Consumer Comment

stupid argument

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

All of this arguing over the same thing is pointless. Some people like Devry University, some people hate it. No matter how good you do in this debate, you both are going to look like complete idiots who dont need to be employed by anyone.

Devry is a for profit, regionally accredited university in the united states. It has to provide a decent education or else it wouldnt be regionally accredited. In my opinion and the opinions of many others it is very expensive. Devry U is no MIT, but there are people benefiting from it with decent jobs in this tough economy. 
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#38 Consumer Comment

Sounds like you wasted your money

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> I can tell by all the latest posts that all of you are far more educated than myself.  Eric and Vinster are not the same and if you read the posts closely, you would be able to tell from the structure, spelling and grammar involved.   <<

O.K.


>> I have ran a roofing, siding and gutters business for the last 19 years.  I did not start my degree program until i was 38 years old.  For someone like me, a Devry education will have to be ok for now.  I definitely feel I have benefited from all of the courses that I have taken thus far.  <<

That's the issue.

You might have been better off not going to Devry  in the first place.  You might have been a lot better off building up your roofing business along with getting a contractors license.  

>> I do enjoy reading all of the posts and rebuttals about this subject.  Keep them coming. <<

O.K.


>> Oh, by the way, I did get a job offer from Platinum Imaging.  Only one catch, no openings in this region in which I live, the midwest.  NJ or California are my options.  I have a large family and don't know if we can relocate that far away from our family.  I would appreciate any input on this subject. <<

You don't have a job if you can't take it.  If you can't relocate then the job offer is worthless.  Sounds cold blooded but are you capable of making more money as a roofer than getting the job offer from Platinum Imaging.  Another factor is how secure and stable is the Platinum Imaging job.  Don't want to give you the bad news but STEM work is extremely unstable with people getting mostly fired and rarely hired on a daily basis.  What happens if you lose the job at Platinum Imaging ?? Can you quickly get another one ?? Is Platinum Imaging paying your relocation costs ?? If the answer is no then don't take the job.

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#39 General Comment

Dude - the fact that DeVry is not a real college surprised you?

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

I'm amazed at the gullibility of some people. Then again, I guess if you are the typical DeVry student, I guess you aren't exactly a genius. 

Tell you what, I'm going to give you a FREE English class!

"prospect of ane easy and faster" - It is spelled "an," not "ane".

"with at best a usless education" -  It is spelled "useless". 

"through the gaurenteed student loan" - It is spelled "guaranteed".

"of debt. and if you"  - The first word of a sentence should be capitalized.

Your welcome. 
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#40 Consumer Comment

Eric an Vinster are not the same.

AUTHOR: Eric - (United States of America)

I can tell by all the latest posts that all of you are far more educated than myself.  Eric and Vinster are not the same and if you read the posts closely, you would be able to tell from the structure, spelling and grammar involved. 

I have ran a roofing, siding and gutters business for the last 19 years.  I did not start my degree program until i was 38 years old.  For someone like me, a Devry education will have to be ok for now.  I definitely feel I have benefited from all of the courses that I have taken thus far. 

I do enjoy reading all of the posts and rebuttals about this subject.  Keep them coming.

Oh, by the way, I did get a job offer from Platinum Imaging.  Only one catch, no openings in this region in which I live, the midwest.  NJ or California are my options.  I have a large family and don't know if we can relocate that far away from our family.  I would appreciate any input on this subject.
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#41 Consumer Comment

Devry mouthpiece

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

I am going to have to modify my claim regarding possibility of "Devry mouthpiece" as I believed that post 135 being Eric and 137 being Vinister were the same person.

With that said, I still have my doubts about Vinister claims.
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#42 Consumer Comment

Reality check of sorts on "Electronics"

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> I don't share the information provided regarding DeVry's accreditation. I've just read their accreditation and approvals, DeVry lists several regional accrediatations including regional ABET accreditations for several campus. I cannot say the same for ITT. You can find this information on ABET website. <<

Accreditation is not everything.  I never looked at accreditation when I in hiring decisions.  If I see a UC Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, University of Illinois graduate then I am hiring based on the school's reputation and NOT on their accreditations.

For profit schools make a BIG deal about accreditations without telling you that it is the QUALITY of the program that counts.

With that said, Devry credits DO NOT transfer to reputable public universties.  

>> I don't really find a fair comparison you are making between a DeVry's A.S. degree and an E.E. degree and keep on bringing the Maxwells's equation. I've just don't think any A.S. electronics' curriculum whether public or private, will carry it, only undergraduate programs do.  <<

Believe it or not, we covered very briefly Maxwell's Equations in high school. What Devry doesn't give you at an AA level based on what I have seen is a FIRM understanding of electricity and magnetism.  A LOT more to electronics exist than just putting circuits together and Ohms Law.  


>> I've earned two A.S. degrees one in Electronics Engineering and the other on Computer Science, both from community colleges in L.A. I've just completed the EET program at DeVry and I am fortunate to say I've been offer a position in a medical device company as manufacturing automation and control engineer to start on February. <<

While this sounds impressive, the relevant question is :

Did Devry education get you this job ??

Something doesn't make sense to me.  You have TWO A.S. degrees from "community colleges".  Were these public community colleges ?? It makes a LOT more sense to have directly proceeded with a 4 year degree from either the UC or CSU system.

The other thing is : How much is this job paying ?? Are you going to be making a "decent" salary which in LA is about $60K a year.  

You also mentioned that you were job interviewing with somebody else but now you claim that you have a job starting in Feb.



>> Regarding the statements you made about public universities are by default better  than DeVry, I have not experienced that totally 100%. <<

I have.


>>  I've worked with graduates from SDU, UCLA, Berkley and TA&M which unfortunatelly are no longer in the company for the lack of meeting expectations. <<

How about naming the company ??

While extremely reluctant to accuse you of participating in "Astroturfing". The contradictions of "I have an important job interview" and "I have a job" along with the highly doubtful claim of "graduates from SDU, UCLA, Berkeley, ... no longer in the company for the lack of meeting expectations" supports the contention that you are a mouthpiece for Devry University.

With that said, I just don't believe for a moment that MANY graduates of Berkeley would be terminated due to poor job performance.  



>> I was surprised to work with some of this individuals that held master and PH degrees (now they are cheap to get) and showed lack of experience to handle a circuit board properly for debugging or even the thirst for technical knowledge.  <<

A Berkeley EE grad can take apart a circuit board.  

"Cheap" is indicative of the STEM field in general.  Ironically, you just made the best case for avoiding Devry being that the return on investment is POOR. A very overpriced degree for a field with poor and ever declining salaries.


>> I think Booksmart does not always help to perform a job unless you have some experience and desire to learn! Is this a new trend and probably some public universities have loosen their requirements in order to have graduates? afterall the US is lagging other countries in producing good all fashioned engineers. <<

And if you are going to imply that Berkeley, Stanford, University of Illinois EE graduates can't take apart a circuit board then I am going to flat out say you are wrong.  The US is NOT lagging other countries in producing good all fashioned engineers.  Engineering is highly H1B infested and being offshored on a daily basis.  Frankly I am amazed that ANY young American is willing to go into the STEM fields because of the poor job prospects.



>> It's true most of the electronic manufacturing is outsource and soon, the R&D will also be outsource. For sometime now, India and other countries are producing better engineers than the U.S. <<

You don't know what you are talking about regarding India producing better engineers.  If that was the case then how do you explain all the Indian and Chinese students studying at American Universities.

 >> I won't be surprised that you change your standard to be screening for foreign engineers and no longer considering regional candidates. Or even yourself can be neglected a position for not being a graduate of an India university, without being given the oportunity to prove yourself. <<

Right.

Let's see.  With the possible exception of IIT how many Indian Universities can you name at the top of your fingertips ?? Let's see for the US. Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, University of Illinois, CalTech, ... Need I go on ??

I might not get a job because the employer wants CHEAP Indian help along with offshoring the job.

>> Not all minds are made with the same mold and not all graduates from a specific university will perform the same, at any instance a person can do anything to improve itself at any point in their life......  The knowledge of the set of partial differential equations is not all in electronics..... <<

And there is a LOT more to electronics than taking apart a circuit board.
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#43 Consumer Comment

Update you knowledge!

AUTHOR: Vinster - (United States of America)

I don't share the information provided regarding DeVry's accreditation. I've just read their accreditation and approvals, DeVry lists several regional accrediatations including regional ABET accreditations for several campus. I cannot say the same for ITT. You can find this information on ABET website.

I don't really find a fair comparison you are making between a DeVry's A.S. degree and an E.E. degree and keep on bringing the Maxwells's equation. I've just don't think any A.S. electronics' curriculum whether public or private, will carry it, only undergraduate programs do.
I've earned two A.S. degrees one in Electronics Engineering and the other on Computer Science, both from community colleges in L.A. I've just completed the EET program at DeVry and I am fortunate to say I've been offer a position in a medical device company as manufacturing automation and control engineer to start on February.
Regarding the statements you made about public universities are by default better  than DeVry, I have not experienced that totally 100%. I've worked with graduates from SDU, UCLA, Berkley and TA&M which unfortunatelly are no longer in the company for the lack of meeting expectations.
I was surprised to work with some of this individuals that held master and PH degrees (now they are cheap to get) and showed lack of experience to handle a circuit board properly for debugging or even the thirst for technical knowledge. I think Booksmart does not always help to perform a job unless you have some experience and desire to learn! Is this a new trend and probably some public universities have loosen their requirements in order to have graduates? afterall the US is lagging other countries in producing good all fashioned engineers.

It's true most of the electronic manufacturing is outsource and soon, the R&D will also be outsource. For sometime now, India and other countries are producing better engineers than the U.S. I won't be surprised that you change your standard to be screening for foreign engineers and no longer considering regional candidates. Or even yourself can be neglected a position for not being a graduate of an India university, without being given the oportunity to prove yourself.
Not all minds are made with the same mold and not all graduates from a specific university will perform the same, at any instance a person can do anything to improve itself at any point in their life......  The knowledge of the set of partial differential equations is not all in electronics.....
 
Vinster
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#44 Consumer Comment

Devry not worth the money

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> I really do appreciate your input from my post. <<

O.K.


 >> I will not lie, the courses I have taken were taught so fast that it was very difficult to fully grasp all of the details, but the basic fundamentals and theory I really do understand. <<

I doubt it.

The problem is likely that you think you know the fundamentals and theory.  To really understand the basic theory of electronics takes a lot of time.  

I remember one of my high school electronics projects was to build a SSB radio.  I thought at the time I really did understand the fundamentals of radio but in reality I did not really understand the fundamentals of electromagnetism until I took an advanced course in electromagnetic theory including Maxwell's equations.  

You probably know enough to think you know what you are doing along with quite likely to do the job but that doesn't mean you really understand what is going on.



 >> I truly can't wait to get the opportunity to combine all of this basic knowledge together with some real world experience. <<

See above.

Getting the real world experience can't hurt but I would be planning on taking some basic physics classes at the community college.

>> To be honest, the only reason I began this program was because my brother is a field service engineer for Platinum Imaging, which was just bought by Oxford Instruments.  It seems these days, the only real true way to get a leg up on the competition is to know someone to help you get your first opportunity. <<

You would have been better off going to a community college.  You are likely to be getting the job not because of your Devry diploma but because of your personal contacts.



>> If there is one thing my educational experience has taught me, it's the fact that I can be taught virtually anything that I dedicate myself to.  <<

O.K.

Maybe or maybe not.

I would take some classes at the state university electrical engineering department to see if you can "cut the mustard".




>>  I was one of those people who wasted their god given gift to learn quickly because of making wrong decisions at an early age.  <<

That's the issue being "gift to learn quickly".  Maybe you can but Devry is not a good aptitude test.  You might want to look at some on line FREE classes offered by reputable universities.  While you won't get college credit, you will find out very quickly if you have the ability to learn quickly.



>> I just want to make a better life for my family and hoped that Devry might be the stepping stone for us to get there. <<

That is the big question.

Is Devry a stepping stone or not ??

Or perhaps better put : Are there better stepping stones than Devry ??

 >> I plan to continue my education after this degree program is finished. <<

Devry class credits don't transfer to reputable engineering programs.  Devry is national and NOT regionally accredited.

You are likely to have a big problem in finding a 4 year college that will accept a Devry AA degree. 


>> I know now that there are no limitations to what I can accomplish. <<

Everyone has limitations.  With that said, an optimistic attitude certainly never hurts.

 >>  For me, that makes it all worth the money. <<

It wasn't worth the money should you be able to obtain your objectives or more with less cost. 
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#45 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Thanks for your input.

AUTHOR: Eric - (United States of America)

I really do appreciate your input from my post.  I will not lie, the courses I have taken were taught so fast that it was very difficult to fully grasp all of the details, but the basic fundamentals and theory I really do understand.  I truly can't wait to get the opportunity to combine all of this basic knowledge together with some real world experience.

To be honest, the only reason I began this program was because my brother is a field service engineer for Platinum Imaging, which was just bought by Oxford Instruments.  It seems these days, the only real true way to get a leg up on the competition is to know someone to help you get your first opportunity.

If there is one thing my educational experience has taught me, it's the fact that I can be taught virtually anything that I dedicate myself to.  I was one of those people who wasted their god given gift to learn quickly because of making wrong decisions at an early age.  I just want to make a better life for my family and hoped that Devry might be the stepping stone for us to get there. I plan to continue my education after this degree program is finished.  I know now that there are no limitations to what I can accomplish.  For me, that makes it all worth the money.
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#46 Consumer Comment

Best of Luck in your interview

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> Overall, I have learned an abundance of information in my field of study. <<

Try to get a reality check by talking to graduates of a EE program from either the state university or community college.

 >>  I truly believe with some serious patience my degree will pay off in the end. <<

I hope that proves to be the case but I have my doubts.

 
>> I have an interview this week with a company who sells, services and maintains MRI systems. <<

O.K.

Consider yourself EXTREMELY LUCKY to have obtained an interview.  Go under the worse case assumption that the Devry degree is considered to be of lower quality than ANY graduate from a state institution.

Read up on MRI in general.  You won't have the time to be an expert but try to become familar with the basic concepts.  Be prepared to answer general questions such as : What is MRI ??, Where is MRI used ?? What are the limitations of MRI ??


 
>> This is exactly the specific part of this field I wish to pursue. <<

O.K.


 >> I have uploaded a picture of the MRI I helped de-install in Winston Salem NC 1/12-1/16.  This was just a test to see if I had enough knowledge and skill to perform the duties that this position requires.  Everything went exactly as planned, so wish me luck. <<

Demonstrating product knowledge is always useful.  But what is even more useful is for one to convince the employer that you have the ability to pick up ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE. 

One of my major concerns with for profit school graduates is that they are basically taught out of a cookbook without sufficient time spent on fundamental concepts.

>> And yes, writing was not one of my strong course's, so I apologize if there are errors. <<

A very useful skill to pick up is technical and expository writing.  Your local community college should have such a course.

>> Thanks for reading! <<

Best of Luck.

Hope the interview works out.


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#47 Consumer Comment

Devry diploma likely to be worthless

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

>> I am a current Devry University student enrolled in the Electronics and Computer Technology Associates Degree program.  I probably should have researched this subject before now, but after reading these complaints, I could not resist the opportunity to speak my opinion.  <<

The more relevant opinions would be a collection of recent graduates from the Devry AA program in the Electronics and Computer Technology program.  ALL of the recent graduates being over 10 that I know personally have NOT been able to find a job using their "training"

>> I am currently in my last two courses of my degree program.  I do acknowledge the fact the the tuition rates at Devry are extremely high.  I believe my debt to this point is somewhere around $26,000.  I was fortunate enough to receive enough financial aid and grants to pay for all of my education.  <<

Not directed to you personally but this taxpayer is concerned about the $1 Trillion dollar student loan bubble that is bursting with a large part of the problem due to default rate at for profit trade schools.

>> I will tell all of you that I had to put my heart and sole, not to mention almost all of my free time, into my studies to keep the 3.0 average I have to date. <<

Prospective employers are NOT impressed with a Devry diploma.  Sad to say that a Devry or other for profit school diploma is considered a joke by most employers.

 >>  I am 40 years old and have been in the construction business all my life, so this, I will tell you was not an easy endeavor. <<

You may have been better off financially than to stay in construction obtaining a contractors license than trying to enter the dying electronics field.
 
>> The fact is, if you do not put the time into these particular courses, you will fail!  <<

Not necessairly.  I know of more than one Devry graduate that passed courses without doing substantive work.

>> Now there are certain courses you can glide through with minimal learning and good research tactics.  These electronics courses, on the other hand, you absolutely can not.  Plus, I really wanted to understand all the concepts of my TCO's and not just get a good grade.  <<

O.K.

Only problem is that if I need some with an electronics background then I am going to get a EE graduate from a decent public university.  The job market is so bad that I might be able to get a graduate from a TOP 10 school such as Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc.

To really understand electronics then you better have a GOOD grasp of the underlying math such as complex variables and calculus. It's also nice to have a firm grasp of Maxwell's equations.  My problem with AA Electronics graduates from for profit trade schools is that while they might be able to do very basic work is that they don't have a firm grasp of the fundamentals.

The other problem is that very little electronics work is done in the US anymore.

>> I will finish up by telling you that I have interviewed with multiple company's, and they all said I wouldn't have even gotten the chance to interview without this education under my belt.  <<

But what companies are you talking to ??

>>  Have I found my "dream job" yet, no! <<

O.K.

 
>> This is because of the economy and not because of Devry. <<

Mostly wrong.

Devry graduates always had a hard time getting into the technical fields even when the economy was good.  Of course having the poor economy such as today makes the problem of gainful employment for ALL graduates even worse.


 >>  The majority of the time I send my resume I am able to see how many applicants applied besides myself.  Usually 2 or 3 hundred other peolple out of work and some of them have years of experience in the electronics field.  <<

Right.

If I have to choose between a UC Berkeley EE graduate versus a Devry AA graduate then guess who is going to get the job ??

It's going to be the UC Berkeley EE graduate.

Why ??

Because I have ABSOLUTE confidence in that the UC Berkeley graduate CAN do the job.

Basic Electronics has been pretty much offshored mostly to the Asian countries.  The advanced electronics is getting offshored as well.  A LOT of math and physics knowledge is required to have a firm grasp of electronics and an AA degree from Devry, ITT Tech, or other such schools don't provide that knowledge.  The fact that ITT Tech, Devry can't get REGIONAL accredidation says a LOT. 

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#48 Consumer Comment

Current Devry Student ECT

AUTHOR: Eric - (United States of America)

I am a current Devry University student enrolled in the Electronics and Computer Technology Associates Degree program.  I probably should have researched this subject before now, but after reading these complaints, I could not resist the opportunity to speak my opinion. 

I am currently in my last two courses of my degree program.  I do acknowledge the fact the the tuition rates at Devry are extremely high.  I believe my debt to this point is somewhere around $26,000.  I was fortunate enough to receive enough financial aid and grants to pay for all of my education. 

I will tell all of you that I had to put my heart and sole, not to mention almost all of my free time, into my studies to keep the 3.0 average I have to date.  I am 40 years old and have been in the construction business all my life, so this, I will tell you was not an easy endeavor.  The fact is, if you do not put the time into these particular courses, you will fail!  Now there are certain courses you can glide through with minimal learning and good research tactics.  These electronics courses, on the other hand, you absolutely can not.  Plus, I really wanted to understand all the concepts of my TCO's and not just get a good grade. 

I will finish up by telling you that I have interviewed with multiple company's, and they all said I wouldn't have even gotten the chance to interview without this education under my belt.  Have I found my "dream job" yet, no!  This is because of the economy and not because of Devry.  The majority of the time I send my resume I am able to see how many applicants applied besides myself.  Usually 2 or 3 hundred other peolple out of work and some of them have years of experience in the electronics field. 

Overall, I have learned an abundance of information in my field of study.  I truly believe with some serious patience my degree will pay off in the end.  I have an interview this week with a company who sells, services and maintains MRI systems.  This is exactly the specific part of this field I wish to pursue.

And yes, writing was not one of my strong course's, so I apologize if there are errors.

Thanks for reading!

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#49 Consumer Comment

Current Devry Student ECT

AUTHOR: Eric - (United States of America)

I am a current Devry University student enrolled in the Electronics and Computer Technology Associates Degree program.  I probably should have researched this subject before now, but after reading these complaints, I could not resist the opportunity to speak my opinion. 

I am currently in my last two courses of my degree program.  I do acknowledge the fact the the tuition rates at Devry are extremely high.  I believe my debt to this point is somewhere around $26,000.  I was fortunate enough to receive enough financial aid and grants to pay for all of my education. 

I will tell all of you that I had to put my heart and sole, not to mention almost all of my free time, into my studies to keep the 3.0 average I have to date.  I am 40 years old and have been in the construction business all my life, so this, I will tell you was not an easy endeavor.  The fact is, if you do not put the time into these particular courses, you will fail!  Now there are certain courses you can glide through with minimal learning and good research tactics.  These electronics courses, on the other hand, you absolutely can not.  Plus, I really wanted to understand all the concepts of my TCO's and not just get a good grade. 

I will finish up by telling you that I have interviewed with multiple company's, and they all said I wouldn't have even gotten the chance to interview without this education under my belt.  Have I found my "dream job" yet, no!  This is because of the economy and not because of Devry.  The majority of the time I send my resume I am able to see how many applicants applied besides myself.  Usually 2 or 3 hundred other peolple out of work and some of them have years of experience in the electronics field. 

Overall, I have learned an abundance of information in my field of study.  I truly believe with some serious patience my degree will pay off in the end.  I have an interview this week with a company who sells, services and maintains MRI systems.  This is exactly the specific part of this field I wish to pursue.  I have uploaded a picture of the MRI I helped de-install in Winston Salem NC 1/12-1/16.  This was just a test to see if I had enough knowledge and skill to perform the duties that this position requires.  Everything went exactly as planned, so wish me luck.

And yes, writing was not one of my strong course's, so I apologize if there are errors.

Thanks for reading!
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#50 Consumer Comment

Current Scammee

AUTHOR: Current DeVry Student - (United States of America)

I am a current student at DeVry for more than a year now. DeVry is a scam. I have been lied to continually since day one. I originally stated quite clearly upon enrolling my intent to attend two classes at the local campus and one online. Upon finalizing my enrollment I was advised that my core courses were not available at the local campus but another campus too far away to attend. Thus my more difficult core subjects, and all of my subjects, I am now necessarily taking online. I was told this was a miscommunication or a misunderstanding. It was neither of those.

I chose the ridiculously expensive tuition at DeVry because they assured me I could finish in two years and eight months with adequate diligence. I found upon enrolling and attending however that it was impossible for me to take more than two of my core subjects at a time rather than the three it would take to finish in the three years promised. This was in spite of the fact that I have always tested quite high with a high IQ and excelled in challenging technical schools in the navy. I found that even with an absurd amount of hours each week I was and am struggling to barely pass several core courses and have had to drop and retake several courses (at $2500 per course). I am not alone in this as many classmates have expressed similar frustrations of floundering in the courses with little to no help from instructors and no tutoring assistance available.
 
DeVry does have some excellent professors who are diligent and passionate about their teaching but they have far too many who do very little other than earn a paycheck, and I use the term "earn" very loosely. Most DeVry professors have other jobs and DeVry is clearly little more than an afterthought to them. Most classes are mostly automated and require very little actual work from the professors and it is clear in the required daily threads that the professors participation is nil. In my current class the teachers input to required threaded discussions is merely a "thank you John," Thank you Sue" etc. Though policy is that questions to email or thread be addressed by the professors in 48 hours many questions go unanswered for days if they are answered at all. I have actually assisted several students that are floundering even worse than I as they get little help from the professors.

Many classmates have simply expressed that they are giving up and dropping the class and forfieiting the tuition. Continual complaints to the local campus have been met with feigned concern but virtually nothing has changed for several sessions now. My several vehement bad reviews of courses and complaints to school officials have been virtually ignored. As I speak to fellow students such dynamics are the rule rather than the exception. School officials general response is as Tia's response to blame the student for a lack of diligence rather than to examine the product that DeVry is selling.
 
A DeVry education is a product, and an investment. It is a huge investment and probably the largest many will make in their lives considering the approximately $100,000 tuition and four years of lost earnings while attending school. Purchasers of this product have a right to expect the excellence the ubiquitous DeVry commercials and the DeVry sales pitch promise. DeVry students pay an incredible amount of money for the priviledge of working incredibly hard for a quality degree. When they complain that the sellers of the product are not living up to their sales pitch or their duty of providing a robust quality education it is outrageous to be told by the Tia's of DeVry to just shut up, quit whining, work harder, and keep pouring money down the hole that is DeVry.
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#51 Consumer Comment

Devry is considered a joke by many in Silicon Valley

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

A couple of software engineers and I were taking BART to SF and we say the Devry ad pitching technology careers and we were all laughing.

Sorry to say but the fact of the matter is that many if not most Silicon Valley employers won't be considering Devry, University of Phoenix, ITT Tech, Heald grads etc. for employment.
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#52 Consumer Comment

Response to "Mark from Tampa"

AUTHOR: typhoidX - (United States of America)

I agree with the point that people should take their own responsibility for their choices, & not complain about their lack of job prospects afterwards. The right thing to do, is to frequently assess the value of one's curriculum & make adjustments as needed. I think if most people did that, they would have left DeVry before completing their worthless DeVry degree program & gone to a REAL college.

In response to his point about DeVry "not being a for-profit diploma mill" - that is COMPLETE BS. When I approached DeVry for online classes in 2003-2004 (see my more complete narrative above), they used ALL the marketing tricks described by other consumers - misleading self comparisons to the Ivy League, promises of endless opportunities, etc. Then when classes actually started, they tried to double bill me for tuition ALREADY paid for, then stonewall my complaints while adding late fees to my balance. I had to threaten to sue before they'd finally settle with me; they were technically defrauding the military through their sorry attempt at double billing me. Frankly, I don't think they would have given up on their trickery & deceit had I not been in the military, since there is no shortage of under-educated & over-funded enlisted men (like me) - with access to tuition assistance & GI Bill - who would be gullible enough to fall for the marketing tactics of their so-called "college". I could have easily ruined their reputation on post (& I SHOULD HAVE).

Regarding the quality of DeVry classes, they were generally mediocre, uninspiring, & lack the type of depth that I expected for an undergraduate-level course. Recently I took 2 community college courses, the pace was solid & personal knowledge accumulation was noticeable and apparent. The instructors were helpful, articulate, & easily understood. The course material was delivered in a logically ordered manner that ensured easy retention, and out of class tutoring was readily available by staff and fellow students.

The community college delivered a superior education than DeVry by any reasonable measure, and it cost me less than $500 USD (that's 2011 dollars). On the other hand, even 1 DeVry class cost more than my 2 community college classes combined, and keep in mind that was 2004 dollars. Accounting for inflation, I wouldn't be surprised if 1 DeVry class costs more than twice that of 2 community college courses of comparable credit & workload. Bottom line - my personal experience is that DeVry delivers INFERIOR EDUCATION at MUCH HIGHER COSTS.

I was a stupid kid when I went to DeVry, but I must admit DeVry made me slightly less stupid, for the one thing it taught me was to back out of a bad deal when I clearly saw one. "Mark" from Tampa is right, you the consumer have the ultimate responsibility for what you purchase, so make the right decision & STAY AWAY from worthless, overpriced "colleges" such as DeVry. If you're in one of their programs, transfer to a real college before you sink any more money into that rotten institution.
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#53 General Comment

All schools are not the same.

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

Some of the above but not all is accurate.

>> I graduated Devry/Addison in 2004 and had a very hard time finding a job
afterwords. <<

The job market was bad in 2003 and 2004 but Berkeley and Stanford grads in CS were able to find jobs.

 >> However, the problem was not my Devry diploma but rather
the crippled US job market. <<

Partly accurate.

The problem was at least for IT that ALL of the for profit schools are considered a joke by many employers.


 >> As soon as I left the States two years later and moved back to Poland, I found a job in less then a month as a  network architect for Cisco. <<

And you may have been able to get the job without spending a lot of money on a Devry degree in the first place.


 >> It's not Devry's fault that quality jobs  got outsourced and went overseas. <<

But it is Devry's fault for luring people into the "booming high tech field" when jobs don't exist.

 >> The entry level/apprenticeship jobs have virtual disappeared from the US and everything that's left is low paid, scraping by few "opportunities". <<

Basically accurate.

A very extremely FEW high paying CS jobs do exist.

Guess what ??

You need a degree from a TOP 10 SCHOOL preferably with a graduate degree and internship experience to have any chance of being considered for such as a job.


 >> I remember the pre dotcom bubble days. You didn't even need a degree back then, but a mere A+ tech cert could get you a $25 p. h. gig with a reputable company right off the
bad.  <<

You could have gotten the job in Poland without a Devry degree or any other degree for that matter.

>> So, Devry or no Devry the situation is pretty f-ed up as it is. The best of luck to you all. <<

O.K.

If the Devry degree is currently worthless because of the economy then the degree should no longer be offered.
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#54 Consumer Comment

Devry is not the issue.

AUTHOR: steven - (United States of America)

I graduated Devry/Addison in 2004 and had a very hard time finding a job afterwords. However, the problem was not my Devry diploma but rather the crippled US job market. As soon as I left the States two years later and moved back to Poland, I found a job in less then a month as a network architect for Cisco. It's not Devry's fault that quality jobs got outsourced and went overseas. The entry level/apprenticeship jobs have virtual disappeared from the US and everything that's left is low paid, scraping by few "opportunities". I remember the pre dotcom bubble days. You didn't even need a degree back then, but a mere A+ tech cert could get you a $25 p. h. gig with a reputable company right off the bad. So, Devry or no Devry the situation is pretty f-ed up as it is. The best of luck to you all.
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#55 General Comment

Recent Devry Grad with good job

AUTHOR: A.Robinon002 - (United States of America)

I must say it has been very interesting reading these responds. I am here to share my experience at Devry. I just recently graduated from Devry in Dec2010 with a Bachelor Degree in Technology Management of computer information system. I admit that I did have a lot of trouble finding a job upon graduating. It took me almost 11 months to find gainful employment. I was hired at the VA in a program analyst position. In fact, I was just hired a week ago at 18.00 a hr. My degree was half of the reason I was hired and the other half was me as a person and employee. Like someone stated, a degree do not entitle you to a job. You have to use the degree in order to get good job. Another thing, your quality of education is based on how much effort you put into it. For example, if you went to school to be a mathematician and learned math but failed to understand how to use it but got a math degree then it is going to be hard for you to get a job as a mathematician. For you who don't understand what I mean, think about the algebra classes you took. I am sure if your thinking of going to college you passed the this math class. However, if someone asked you to figure out a real world solution using algebra most of you would not be able to come up with a algebra equation to figure the solution out. Using your degree is similar. You got to know how to use the knowledge you attain regardless of what school you get your degree from. The best way to do this is to get experience in the field while you are going to college and apply what you are learning to your job then getting a good job after you graduate will be easy. This is not true for everyone. College is not for everyone. Some people, regardless of how much they learn, will never be able to apply what they learn to any real world situation. The last issue is some degrees itself is just useless regardless of what school it come from.  For  example, a degree in Corrections which is at Devry and many brick and mortar colleges. There is no reason to go to Devry and pay 40,000 to get a degree in Corrections. In order to be a correction officer, you don't need any type of experience. The only real bad thing about Devry is that they cost way too much. I would have not went to Devry if I wasn't using the G.I bill. If you are using student loans then my suggestion is go to a brick and mortar college where the tuition is cheaper if you can. If you don't have time or your work schedule won't allow you to attend classes then I would suggest going to Devry over any other online school. Devry and other for profit schools are just way too expensive. However, Devry education is just as good as any other college I have ever attended. All in All, using any college degree is based on the individual not the school. These people that is making these negative statements: 1. never even been to Devry or maybe any college 2. One of these people who could not apply what they learned to the real world 3. They got a degree in something that is not in demand.
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#56 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sour People = Complainers

AUTHOR: Mark - (United States of America)

As a former employee of for-profit education, and a graduate, I can say that many schools are rip-offs. DeVry University is not one of them. They have the same accreditation as Michigan and Ohio state. I have read so many posts here. people complaining that they got the degree but no job. These are the ones that think because I have a degree I am guaranteed a job. WOW! It is only one piece of the puzzle, people! If you do not have the character or presence during an interview, You could have graduated from Harvard and you won't get the job. I started with a GED and became employed by DeVry and completed my degree there. I now work for a Fortune 500 Company in Finance Industry. All because of who I am plus the fact that I have a degree. I can't say DeVry caused me to get the job, but it did help.
The sour people in this report are just sour because they were fired for incompetence or failed because they did not have the commitment level needed to complete their education. DeVry is not to blame. But they cannot accept the fact maybe they need to look at themselves first and figure out where they went wrong. Instead they take cheap shots over the internet. Boo h*o. If a company make the work environment fun, they are wasting money at their customers expense. If they offer some assistance, Oh they are a diploma mill joke. What a bunch of whiners! Really. No one forced any of you to go to that school. You chose to go. No one forced you to work there. you wanted a paycheck.
Please, anyone reading this. DeVry is not for everyone. Make the best choice for yourself. If you aren't motivated to complete your education. Don't start. If you can't get a job, visit the career service staff for POINTERS on how YOU can improve your interview skills. Don't blame others for your own short comings. And if you have two advanced level degrees, than why oh why are you still working a sales job? Grow up and handle things like big boys and girls.
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#57 UPDATE EX-employee responds

DeVry education is a joke

AUTHOR: tell truth - (United States of America)

DeVry's education is a joke. It is all about entertaining students and giving them good grades. Avoid for-profit education.



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#58 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tia, you are as wrong as the rest of them.

AUTHOR: wilkiman51 - (United States of America)

Tia,

You sound just like the people employed by this company. I used to be employed with DeVry University but was recently terminated for putting a private video on youtube of a team building session we were having on DeVry University's time. Notice I said "private" where it could only be viewed by the people I sent it to, which were all of the people in the team building session including the ADA and Dean. They said they are firing me for GROSS MISCONDUCT because they didn't want students to think we just party on their tuition payments. It's strange that the two women who had me fired for it were the two women who put the game together.

You know well what training they put us through. You know how they taught us to hit on peoples pain and focus on it, and how they could make their life better. You know how misleading it is, the only reason you're offended is because you still work there. However, if you leave, you'll feel the same way. I have graduated with two graduate degrees. One is from a for profit institute like DeVry University, the other from a traditional University. I can tell all of you from my own experience, the for profit education is not the same level of education that a traditional school offers. It does not carry the weight, it will not help you find the jobs you want. It's unfortunate you are acting this way, Tia. It's a shame, and you should really be ashamed of yourself for acting this way. It shows your real colors and what you really think about the people who walk into your doors everyday for interviews. It shows your real colors of how you talk to them, find their pain, and then if they fail you blame them. You blame them when you knew from the very beginning of the interview process that this was not going to give them what you're telling them it will. You make me sick.
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#59 Consumer Comment

DeVry - Simply NOT worth it

AUTHOR: typhoidX - (United States of America)

Having read through this rather lengthy thread, I see that there are a few good experiences & a few bad ones, as with any product/service. I just want to offer a few opinions based on my personal experience with DeVry, & why its simply not worth it to go to DeVry, EVEN IF it offers a decent service.

I attended their online courses for a little while, I dumped DeVry for a real college because they were trying to double bill me, despite the fact that the US Army ALREADY PAID for a significant portion of my tuition under the military tuition assistance program. They stonewalled me and refused to adjust my bill down to size for 9 months, and I had to threaten a lawsuit before they "miraculously found" the electronic fund transfer records & corrected my bill.

But beyond that, I found their classes to be mediocre and uninspiring. Was it significantly worse than what I found at public institutions? I would say no. But the tuition was MUCH BIGGER. Compared to public institutions that offered classes and comparable programs on my army post, DeVry's cost per credit was almost 3 times higher. So the bottom line is, why would a rational consumer pay 2-3 times the tuition cost of a traditional school for an education that could only be assessed as "not significantly worse"? Well, I did for a little while,  so my answer is: I was misinformed, I failed to conduct proper due diligence, and I paid dearly for it. So I hope the readers here learn from this experience.

The other reason for avoiding DeVry is their reputation. Is it true that every single DeVry graduate ends up flipping burgers & 6 figures in debt? Probably not. Is it also true that over 90% of DeVry grads are gainfully employed as intended? I seriously doubt it. The truth is somewhere in the middle, as usual. HOWEVER, given the recent bad press that schools like DeVry, Everest, & U. of Phoenix got for their unscrupulous and illegal sales tactics, not to mention their general lack of quality, would a rational and informed consumer want to take the risk of investing in their "education"? The answer is a resounding NO.

I know I'm lumping DeVry in with all the other bad "schools", and I know very well that this is throwing the baby out with the bath water. But as a rational and risk-averse consumer, I know I would NOT invest thousands of dollars and 3-4 years of my life for a "degree" of uncertain reputation, EVEN IF that reputation turns out to be unfounded. I see the pursuit of a DeVry degree as an unnecessary risk, especially when there are comparable, less expensive programs in public institutions. This risk is compounded during bad economic times, when employers are pickier than ever. In short, there is little/no risk of an employer perceiving a state or non-profit school - no matter how inadequate - as a degree mill. On the other hand, there is a SUBSTANTIAL RISK of DeVry (or a similar for-profit) being perceived as such. Is it fair? Maybe not, but reality isn't fair.

In sum, from the perspective of a judicious consumer, it is simply irrational to pursue a degree at DeVry. It costs more to obtain a mediocre education, and its for-profit stigma brings too much unnecessary risk.
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#60 Consumer Suggestion

I se CHILL is back and has created a couple of new aliases

AUTHOR: DannyD - (United States of America)

I backed off for several months CHILL because I figured that I had made my point and then some. Then the media took over and pretty much verified everything that I and the others have sad was in fact true, n ot only with DeVry but with the industry as a whole - the for profit industry school that is.

Then I came  back to see what was going on. Several new complaints have been made on this and other threads pertaining to DeVry (no suprise) and I saw the two posts, obviously by you now using new handle's once again pretending to be a "HAPPY DEVRY STUDENT" with slightly toned down presposterous claims of success.

YOU still seem to be hung up on the engineer degree though. Is that the program that you hustle the most? And seriously, do you really have a engineering degree? C'mon man. Come clean.

You stumble over your own words. "Where else can you go to school for two days a week and get a degree." AND "The reason that DeVry claims a 97% job placement is if you have 100 people in a class and 97 find jobs that equates to 97%." But you also say "about half drop out." If half drop out. Half of a hundred is 50 and assuming that all 50 find jobs that equates to a 50% job placement rate. Get it 100-50=50. GOT THAT. And that is assuming that all 50 find jobs. And out of those 50, how many actually find jobs in their chosen field. If only 20 find jobs in their chosen field, now the job placement rate is down to a more realistic 20% which is by the way the national average for most schools.

And all of this is predicated on a dropout rate of only 50% which is rather conservative.  I understand that it is actually much higher.

If you only attend classes 2 days per week it will take forever to graduate. And besides, most of the complaints have been  made about the online classes and more specifically the used car/snake oil salesmen aka Admissions Advisors who enroll, sell us this junk.

So nice try CHILL. It seems everytime you post something, 5, 10, 15 or more accurate but negative posts show up saying that you are full of crap. Here is an idea: why don't you just come clean, say you are a DeVry employee (we all know it now anyway) admit that you sell the classes because it is your job to do so and it pays the bills for you. Can you do that? If you do at least for once you will  be telling the truth.

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#61 General Comment

Wondering What a DeVry Degree is Really Worth?

AUTHOR: Lookin For Justice - (USA)

Enter this URL if you want some real answers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNzE71vtKw
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#62 Consumer Suggestion

They almost got me for $75,000

AUTHOR: ForTheTruth - (United States of America)

I went to a DeVry open house and was recieving incessant calls from Admissions Advisors via the telephone trying to hustle me to enroll into their programs. Since I am very analytical, I never buy over the phone and was very skeptical of DeVry and other similiar schools using boiler room telemarketing like tactics to see their school. You don't see conventional schools doing that do you?

So when I was invited to an open house figuring I could see, feel, taste and experience DeVry first hand. Like I said, I don't don't sight unseen.

At first it appeared to be like a real school. They had classrooms and supposed students their offering their testimonials on how great this school is. Later I found out that the so called students were really employees who were students and these employees were sales people there to sell me a program and get me to enroll.

The whole thing looked like a circus. I felt more like I was out buying a car than looking at enrolling in a school. Admission Advisors (sales reps) took turns coming after me and others. We all felt like we had a target on us.

They layed their sales pitch on me telling me all the great benefits of DeVry. Take classes when I wanted online at the campus or both, not theory, market driven courses and I was told that Devry had a wonderful career services dept with nearly a 90% placement rate. I was laso told that average salaries to start were $45,000 and up.

When I told them that I wanted to think about it, the Admissions Advisor (the last one) got unnerved. he really wanted to sell me (close me) The kicker was when I told him that I was considering Kaplan and reallyw asn't ready to decide right now. He got furious! I could see his nostrils widen. "KAPLAN! Why would you want to take courses from a school thatis owned by the Washington Post?" He exclaimed.

I felt that his admissions advisor was rude and uncouth as well as unprofessional. Earlier he said, "We never bash our competition." Really? Well he sure bashed Kaplan. Later I found out that the only reason, the real reason that he was upset with Kaplan is that Kaplan offers the same courses for a lot less money and they enroll a lot of students. In other words, DeVry is losing a lot of money to Kaplan.

In fact, I found out that Kaplan charges $300 less per credit than DeVry. No wonder they are mad at Kaplan.

As I did my figuring, I estimated that DeVry would have cost me an easy $75,000 for their program. And as I continued to research, I found out that DeVry has had to reduce their claims of job placement from 97% to less than 88% simply because the number of students who actually find work is very low. Event he 88% number represents a small number in a study of a small group. Nationally actuall job placements for schools is realistically around 20%.

Overall, I found DeVry to be a joke. They sound like snake oil salesmen with their sales pitches and outlandish claims. And you have to be in a cave not to have seen or read allof the bad publicity that DeVry, University of Phoenix, ITT and other similiar schools are receiving right now.

So I have decided to go to a local community college. Despite the nonsense posted, not only are they cheaper but also offer the same or similiar flexibility that DeVry does. And at least when you go to their schools, you will meet with a real admission advisor who has your best interest in mind. With DeVry, they are concerned only with the commission they will make when they "close you."

If I had to pick one of these schools other than a traditional or community school, I would choose Kaplan. They showed far more professionalism and legitmate concern for my needs than DeVry who only offered one big sales pitch. 

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#63 Consumer Comment

Postive Personal Experience

AUTHOR: Amanda - (United States of America)

My fiancee is a student in Indianapolis, and the experience has been very positive.  Yes, is the program more expensive than a community college? Sure.  But how many schools let you go two nights a week to be a full-time student?  Not many.  And offer career services with helping you find a job?  DeVry has great career services and are extremely military friendly.  I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience.  DeVry is accredited like state schools and is not a scam.  The credits do transfer as long as they aren't remedial classes by the way.  Sorry you had a bad experience in Colorado. 
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#64 Consumer Comment

TELL YOUR SENATOR TO VOTE AGAINST FUNDING FOR-PROFIT TRADE SCHOOLS

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT THE SHYSTERS AT DeVRY WERE STILL IN BUSINESS.  AROUND HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOR-PROFIT TRADE SCHOOLS AND I DO NOT THINK IT MATTERS WHAT THEY CALL THEMSELVES OR WHAT THEY CLAIM.
THEY HAVE BASICALLY ONE PURPOSE AND THAT IS TO RIP YOU OFF

AND RIP OFF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT GIVES THEM TAXPAYER MONEY TO FUND A USELESS EDUCATION WHICH IS PROBABLY ALREADY TECHNOLOGICALLY OBSOLETE AND YOU WILL NEVER USE  BUT YOU WILL END UP PAYING FOR IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE EVERY LAST DIME OF YOUR SSI AND YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK AND ANY INCOME TAX REFUND AND I HAVE HEARD OF PROPERTY SEIZURES.

IF YOU WANT TO STOP THIS, CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CALL YOUR CONGRESSPEOPLE AND ASK THEM TO VOTE AGAINST GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR THESE FAKE TRADE SCHOOLS.

I WAS NEARLY BURNED BY TWO OF THEM.  THEY GIVE FALSE HOPES AND PROMISES TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD THE MONEY.
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#65 Consumer Comment

I can't believe I read this

AUTHOR: dfurball - (United States of America)

This has been the biggest waste of time ever, I really cannot believe that I read half of what I did. No where does anyone give reference to legitimate scholastic articles. The only links given are from blogs, corrupt media, or youtube.

The reason why DeVry is able to boast a 97% placement rate is because of the large dropout rate. If your graduating class is 100 people and 97 of them get a job in that field, you then have a 97% placement rate. 

Yes, DeVry is expensive. When has college been cheap? Even community college will rack up the bills. Yes, DeVry is a private profitable school. As is plenty of U.S. colleges.

As for the "weight" of your degree, that is all opinion and subject to numerous bias. Many companies might see them as a top tier school, others might look at US college ranking and decide differently. Implying that compared to other "traditional universities" the degree holds no weight is false information. As said above, it is what you make it.

I am currently a student at DeVry University in Irving Texas getting my Science Bachelors in Game Simulation & Programming. I can say that compared to any other school in relation to getting an "actual job" in the gaming industry (not GameStop!), it is the way to go. I will be following up with a professional masters certificate from SMU Guildhall.
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#66 General Comment

DeVry University A True Learning Center EET

AUTHOR: Vinster - (United States of America)

I've read the thread regarding the report on DeVry University, as an educational center and a corporate driven service. Although I am a DeVry student at half way to complete the Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology, I am also a mature man that holds two A.S. Degrees in Electronics Technology and Computer Science (from Community Colleges). I have 20+ years experience in the electronics field, holding an Engineering position in a medical device company. Ive realized I needed a higher Education Degree, in order to keep competitive in this tough economy phase, we all are in. So the best option for the area I live in is DeVry University, because:


- Unlike others, it is accredited by TAC/ABET which certifies most of the regional universities for specific trades around the country. This is important for federal opening jobs.


- Knowingly that I couldn't afford to quit my job in order to attend traditional University, DeVry offers the flexibility I need to achieve my goal.


- Before I chose DeVry, I did a research to find out the cost and the curriculum of the EET Program.


- The cost is HIGH! And I am utilizing federal funds as well. So I make sure I dont waste my money and I dont loose my time. I am focused to complete the accelerated program, dedicating all the time for the three classes, I am taking every session (six/semester). Although I am dedicated to these classes during and after work plus weekends, my GPA is a hard earned 3.4


- Also I compared the curriculum against traditional Universities that offer the B.S. in Electronics Engineering Technology and the B.S. in Electrical Engineering, like California State University Long Beach. The curriculums of DeVry Universitys classes are more toward Engineering oriented which is much better than CSU-LB. Search it for those interested...


- Since the program is an accelerated pace, I have realized these are Foundational Courses due to the fast pace unlike traditional Universities. This means that I have to go the extra mile in order to be able to retain more of the subjects and perform or execute more of the homework to make sure I have covered most of the topics!


- I am satisfied with the academic tools provided to learn the subjects, these tools are second to none and they are what are actually used in the industry. So I feel very confident to be able to utilized these tools at work or future workplace.


- I enrolled DeVry accepting the fact that the degree offered is a B.S. in Electronics Engineering Technology, I will graduate as a technologist not as an Electrical Engineer. Knowing exactly what I am getting for, it will set my level of expectations.


These are the main facts I see as the benefits for enrolling in DeVry University for my particular case. No doubt that if I could go back 20 years ago I would enroll in a traditional University to have a more relax study pace environment that will ensure the right time to learn all the subjects in 4 or 6 years that it usually takes to earn the degree.


But like I said at the beginning I am someone that knows exactly what I want, how much it will cost and the time, it will take me to achieve it.


The knowledge that I am acquiring is the same as those Engineers I am already working with. If I have a doubt I have no problem to ask any of them for an evaluation of the problem. I know that once I have the Degree plus the work experience I will be empowered to keep performing my job.


So my dear fellow Students it is not the University but us, as Students that will make the difference for SUCCESS! Once we graduate, the interviews will be related to the field of study you learned and your responses will be the topics or subject you have been able to retain by your own dedication to learn it!


Yes DeVry its a private University, an American listed public Corporation. If they had a bad business, ripping people off! Like it is claimed here, they would have been out of business by now!! Dont you think?


This type of University is not for anyone. It is for those committed to the accelerated and self-motivated program with the academic tools and the staff that are always available to get the student going if they request the help!!! If you are not a freshman, ready to get into traditional or accelerated Universities then prepare yourself for either one before enrolling, that you will need it BADLY!!!!


Vinster  

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#67 Consumer Comment

Where are the jobs for DeVry Grads??

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

I've been on here for several months now, was away for awhile after I exposed CHILL as a fraud and I believe answered correctly all of the misinformation that this DeVry employee who claims he was just a "happy DeVry Grad." was spreading on this and other boards.

Seems that CHILL thinks that my absence was an admission of guilt or something or that perhaps he scared me off like h e thinks he scared off the others. No way!

Let's settle one thing once and for all. DeVry is accredited. I and no one else ever denied that. The only question is how valuable is that accreditation and the degree that you get from DeVry? And let me say this before moving on, I already explained sometime ago that despite the montra's and pure unadulterated b.s. by the DeVry crooks (admissions advisors), there really is no real difference or benefit with their "regional accreditation" over a national. I know they try to get us to believe that. But it is b.s.

One of thebiggest complaints by myself and others is the "used car" sales tactics that DeVry uses. If you call on the phone, after speaking to you for awhile, they will put you on  hold and low and behold someone new comes on. They are typically known as the t/o. Very similiar as to when you go into a car dealership and the salesperson get's stuck. He keeps you in that little area known as a "closing roon" and comes back with Mr. Big. At DeVry,  it's called second voicing. They claim they have some fancy title, in reality they are the admissions advisor lunch, pizza eating or drinking buddy who t/o's second voices the call and his job is to close you, not answer your questions.

If you go to one of these DeVry Open Houses, they do exactly the same thing to you only face to face instead of on the phone. You feel like you are buying a car instead of inquiring about a college.

Real brick and mortar, traditional schools and universities don't do this folks. They act like admission advisors are supposed to act. DeVry admission advisors act like snake oil salesmen.

And then there are those endless calls, 8 times a day ad infinitum, Mon - Sat and sometimes we even  get calls from these clowns on Sundays and other times as they callus from their cell phones so our caller ID won't warn us that is those pests from DeVry again.

And despite what they tell you about DeVry not being an "Open University", the fact is that they will take anyone who has the deposit. I have even heard that these DeVry admission advisors have enrolled 75 year old widows into bachelor programs based on DeVry's accelerated program, she could graduate in 30 months. In 30 months the 75 year old will be nearly 78 and what is anyone over 65 going to do with a bachelors deree anyway?

More to the point, what can anyone do with a b achelors degree, especially from a fast food service school like DeVry these days? Right on DeVry's facebook page a number of recent grads indicated that they loved the DeVry experience, thought is was a great school (they attended on campus, not online), loved their teachers, however, after being out of school for a year, still could not find work. And these were not 50-something or 75 year olds. They were guys and girls in their primetime years, very articulate, some attended toastmasters and took additional training to present themselves.  The problem is the market and also the publics perception of schools like DeVry.

One individual with a bachelors degree after looking for work for over a year after graduation, frustrated took a job at a retail store for $12 an hour! Do you really need to spend $75,000+ on bachelors degree to get a $12/hour job? Give me a break.

But don't the DeVry used car salesmen tell us that 92% of DeVry grads find work within 6 months and in their area of specialization? Guess what? We were lied to.

I'm all for education. In todays economy, even with a degree your chances of finding work is slim. If you attend schools like DeVry, even slimmer. I would recommend t hat you go to a brick and mortar real school and talk to a real admissions advisor whose job is to advise you, not hussle you. You will find that admissions advisor telling you the same things that I and others have and are telling you here, not painting a blue sky hopes and dreams farce so they can make quota and keep their silly jobs like the used car salesmen/ladies aka admission advisors at DeVry do.

Considering DeVry?

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

 

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#68 Consumer Suggestion

Hey Dude, your degree is worth less

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

First of all I won't even dignify the comments by CHILL with a response other than he is obviously upset with me that I exposed him as a DeVry employee even though he swore up and down, "No way, I am not a DeVry employee. How dare you insinuate that! Where do you get the aduciity to saythat I am a DeVry employee?" Guess what? He is a DeVry employee. His real name is Charles Hill and his code name is CHILL! NUFF SAID.


 


Next check this link on what a college degree is really worth these days:


http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/dude-my-degree-is-worth/?camp=syndication&medium=portals&from=yahoo


This isn't my opinion, it's a fact. No doubt CHILL is still in the dark or at least pretends to be. Also please note what they say the starting salary is for engineers, the highest paying jobs available with a bachelors degree. And then remember what CHILL claimed he was making with his degree from DeVry, something like $30,000-$40,000 more. I rest my case.


Finally check the financial pages. Check out University of Phoenix (APOL), DeVry (DV), ITT (ESI) and other edu stocks. Read the reports on these companies. The complaints that have been filed and look how there stock prices have been cut in half! Besides student enrollments being down and students bailing out of DeVry, investors are also bailing out.


Only DeVry (DeLie) employees would defend these shysters. What they offer is just fast food education. If you fall for their lies, you will be suckered into a long term loan that you will never be able to repay and even with a degree with have to settle for low paying jobs not much better than what you are getting now without a degree.


 

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#69 General Comment

To Mr. Ivy League

AUTHOR: spiral23 - (United States of America)

Your comments don't belong in this forum, since anyone who is not up on high grounds like you, is considered nothing to you. Please take your s****.;
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#70 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Complete and total BULL!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

Obviously Dannyd is a very disturbed invidual.  You should be very careful who you call a liar.  Especially when someone is being 100% truthful. Let it go Dannyd!  Tell the truth and it will set you free!  see ya little man. 

Its very sad we can't discuss the merits of a college degree from an accreditted college, based soley on the facts.  It seems that alot of Americans try to blame someone else for their problems.  Take responsiblity for your own actions.  Life is up to you.  Succeed or fail, its based on your decisions that you make.  Choose wisely grasshoppa!  The next decision you make, may take you down a different path that you never dreamed of.  Could be bad or good, so choose wisely.  Chill

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#71 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Dannyd the rod stewart impersonator??

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

Whats up Dannyd?  I just thought I would check in to see what kind of non sense you are up to and of course you didn't let me down.  I searched for your handle and orlando and i found a Rod Stewart impersonator called Dannyd!  Hmmmmm????  You are a funny, uh, individual.  Does that mean you are Dannyd the entertainer?  I think not, but maybe you are the president of Dannyd's fan club.  Who knows or maybe should I say who cares!  I also found a Dannyd that believes in Aliens!  Hm?

I did find your link interesting.  Devry is accreditted and you can't deny that.  If the accreditation agencies suspect the quality of education of any college, they should absolutely investigate that college.  If you search for colleges losing their accreditation, you will get some results, however I did not see Devry in any of my searches.  If Devry is investigated and the quality of education does not meet their standards, they should absolutely, with out a doubt, lose their accreditation.  I'm still confused why they are worrying you and not me.  I attended Devry.  I graduated Devry.  No phone calls.  No problems.  I can only speak for my experience. 

We should all learn to think for ourselves!  Beware of all the garbage thats out there.  Life is up to you!  Its what you make of it.  Unfortunately, many people out there, attempt to blame everyone else for their ISSUES, when they should be looking in the mirror.  Life is too short, just chill....

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#72 Consumer Comment

What about student safety at DeVry campuses??

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

According to Long Beach police records....

 

The director of admissions at Long Beach was arrested for possessing a loaded firearm and threatening suicide while on campus. This occurred June 16th.

Despite the fact that this is a direct violation of DeVry policy and reason for immediate dismissal, the campus President is covering up this incident and demanding that no one on the staff admit to having seen it. This puts everyone on this campus in jeopardy.

What else is DeVry holding back and doesn't want the general public to know about??

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#73 Consumer Comment

Very good points Kevin from Pittsburg

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

But I doubt that you will ever see a copy of anyone's paycheck posted here. You may see a copy of their DeVry degree though. The fact is, CHILL is a DeVry employee we have already established that and that Tim is one of his many  aliases. I am sure that most of the posts here that are positive are by CHILL. I am also sure that some of the negative posts here are also by CHILL. Here is a clue: Poor spelling, bad grammar and they want to appear as to have been written by a total  idiot.

I and others have been warning about DeVry and other for profit schools for some time now. The real issue is the wild claims made by their used car salesmen who make it sound like anyone and everyone who graduates from DeVry will find work right away with a starting pay of at least $45,000. They also state that as many as 97% of DeVry graduates find employment within 6 months. This of course is a total lie.

Others have expressed concerns about the quality of education offered by DeVry.

Perhaps the biggest issue of all is student loan defaults. It is very unlikely that students will ever be able to pay of their debt for this questionable education.

And this is not just my opinion.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Sector-Snap-Forprofit-school-apf-4033192585.html?x=0&.v=1

The Obama adminstration is all over these FOR PROFIT schools. Senators and legislators have written some extremely scathing reports regarding them. It appears as though the for profit education scheme is the worst nightmare since the below prime mortgage ripoff which wasn't that long ago and still has this country in a mess.

My advice is still to stay away from all of these for profit schools especially DeVry, University of Phoenix, ITT and the others who advertise so heavily.

I have stated this before and it's worth repeating. If these schools really have the enormous success stories that they claim, why are they advertising so heavy. I would assume that they would be loaded with referrals from happy, satisfied, successful students.

And based on current unemployment rates, it is obvious that these schools which have been flourishing financially for over a decade have made NO IMPACT at all. Where are the jobs that DeVry grads are supposed to find? Why are so many grads still unemployed and looking for work only burdened with more debt than ever before??

The only people making money off of these mostly useless, fast food education scams are the schools and the people that peddle this junk.

How come everytime DeVry get's mentioned I hear Circus music and think of PT Barnum?? Perhaps a DeVry degree can land you a job with Wringling Brothers or Barnum & Bailey!

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#74 Consumer Comment

Message to OSK (USA)

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

OSK, you say you are student, but you have down you are an employee. Now WHAT THE HEL IS "baccalaureate." You wrote it down. See that right there is the proven fact of how DEVRY is. They will hand out degrees to any person with a brain, regardless of it being competent or not. I figure the more competent you are, the less you will get ouf this school. This school wants to brainwash you and have you act like zombies in coporate world. You join the school with a degree, you will be forced to do things you cannot say anything about. Wow, i get a degree and the catch is i surrender my rights? Either way, this person that sent this message is an idiot. Not only cannot put a name or where he is from, but poses as student when in reality is an employee. Seriously, look at this school on how it does it business, it is unethical (yet they teach you about ethics) and unprofessional (they teach you how to be professional) and knowledgable (they give you open book test). I am sorry, i went to a public school which i didn't pay for anything, and i get a better education. I go to devry, people that don't speak english get immediate attention and because i am a citizen of this piss poor country i have to suffer! I spend money to get an education, and i got in return was a bill that i have to pay off otherwise my credit will be ruined or have file for bankruptcy. So if that is not a rip off, then i don't know what is. If you have read my stuff, i didn't choose to leave Devry, they FORCED me out and gave me stipulations, in other words jump through hoops to get back in. So i had belittle myself, my standards gones and make myself a fool in fron of others so they get their kicks off!

As for you OSK, DEVRY obvoiusly gave you a degree into doing something, which i am scared about is this. You will be working in our country and getting a lot of money for it, but yet you still know nothing about. If you got an assocaites, then you didn't get the NCM. Oh by the way, it is called Network Communications Management. Not Sytem/Network. If you went to school, you would know that. That is a bachelors degree, not a an associate degree, so right there you lied! You got a job before you went into school, but yet you got an associate degree. You state you had a 3.8GPA, how did you get that GPA when you cannot make sense when you write? You had to WRITE alot in school. So if this is how you write, then what dumbass teacher did you have that allowed you to pass? YOU DO NOT MAKE SENSE! Thanks for proving our points that this school is a joke.

PEOPLE GIVE ME $5000 and i will give a degree. No strings attach, you can get a MASTERS degree for $7500, NO SCHOOLING NEEDED! You see, there is no difference between what i just said, to what Devry is doing!

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#75 UPDATE Employee

Really?

AUTHOR: osk - (United States of America)

Last time I checked it was an uncredited University. I just received my associates from DeVry and I joined the co-op program. I got a call for a job before I even went for the mock interview at school. I upheld a 3.8 gpa and I am currently in Phi Theta Kappa. I am a System/Network Communications Management or Associate in Applied Science in Network and Communications Management. I am doing quite well and looking forward to my baccalaureate.
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#76 Consumer Comment

Devry will charge you services you don't need, but they still make money

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

I too went to Devry and had a mind boggling expeience. Before i started thinking of enrolling to DeVry, i was told by their student advisor that devry has it setup to where you don't pay anything out of your pocket until after 6 months graduation. I learned that, and sold me. Well, half a semester goes by and i am told that i need to pay over $300 or else i cannot continue school. WHOA! So, i was told one thing, but now it is a lie. Also, i had to buy books from the book store, per my financial advisor. Also found out that was a lie too. They charging me a $175 for a book that i will only use once and only do a few chapters out of it. The another problem i had was with a LabSim and spent an ungodly amount of money for it. Well, i only used maybe 50% of the labs, but yet paid full price for it. Now here is the ticker, i had problems with the software from the begining of the class, i didn't get resolution towards the end of the class. So not only did i not use the full lab sim, but i also couldn't watch videos or listen to audio because of a problem they had. So when i inquired it to Devry, they tell me i have to contact LABSIM. So not only does doevry NOT offer solutions in general, but when it is not one of their product, they don't care, it is not their responsibility or their fault. Hmm....but WHO chose to have LABSIM as a requirement to pass the course at DEVRY?

Incomptent idiots, especially when the people working at devry went to school at devry, so if you really think about it, the two go hand to hand, like a glove!

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#77 Consumer Comment

In response to Mr. Cyrus!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

In response to David Cryus, my name is Paul Ulrich and i too would like to join that list of class action suit. DeVry really screwed me over and did their best to cover up their mistakes and unhonest answers. I have proof between letters and e-mails of these same people saying one thing and doing something completely different. Here is one for example, they suspended me and withdrew me from my classes i was 7 weeks in from the week course. All because of e-mails, i sent e-mails to people that suppose to ON TOP OF THEIR GAME, but instead incompetent like BP Oil and the bail out bankers. I just put a complaint on here, it was time to do it, especially when i thought things were going into my favor. Craig Jacobs is the president of Devry campus in Phoenix, and he is a two face liar. Treats you like your his best student and gives you hope that everything is going to be ok and then i am suspended and withdrawn from my classes. What the devil hell crap this? I don't know what it is about Arizona where bigger officials have the right to crap on us small people and say it is ok, it happens. I for one CHOOSE DeVry because of what they sold me. Just like everything in AMERICA that is sold to you, you can return it! So how come i cannot return everything that happened at Devry, well to put it bluntly; where they said i had to do things to be reconsidered back to school, i cannot get any financial aid. So their right hand is not communicating with their left, so everything is based on assumptions and not FACTS! That i have a problem with and also i have a problem on how they can treat me as if i was on trial in a court room with a judge and jury. Now to bestow consequences on me or else i go to jail? What jail do you have Devry? You are a school, not a DEMOCRACY!
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#78 Consumer Comment

here is an honest perspective

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

I am not an employee. I am in the air force and am about to finish my bachelors degree at devry university. I was recommended this school by my air force education counselor on my base. She had heard nothing but good things about devry. She has a Ph.D at some state school. My experience has been very good at devry, I am learning much.

Since I am active duty, my tuition is less than half of regular tuition. $250 an hour is reasonable, over $500 is ridiculous. I already had an associates degree when I started at devry, which is something I think everybody else should do. If you get an associates degree at your community college before starting a university, you will avoid paying ridiculous tuition prices. In this way I am getting a Devry Bachelors degree at a fraction of the cost that everyone else pays. Even though I am not paying anything, I would not feel ethical by having tax payers pay for ridiculous tuition prices so that I can attend devry university.

I cannot believe people normally pay $60k for a degree I am getting for $15k. The education is good, but it is the same as any other school I have attended. If I was not getting a special price and I had the freedom of a civilian, I would definitely go to a regular university.
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#79 General Comment

A comment on this discussion.

AUTHOR: Kevin - (United States of America)

I have been reading this, and I thought it was so amusing that I had to post a comment.

Chill, if you're really who you say you are, post proof of your credentials. It's that simple. If you can't, then you're obviously a DeVry employee posting lies on here.

I am not affiliated with DeVry in any way. I don't work for them, nor have I ever taken one of their classes.

I just want to warn everyone else reading this discussion. Please, for your own sake, beware of anything you read here. That goes for both sides. There are a lot of people posing as DeVry graduates who are actually employees.

OPEN CHALLENGE: To anyone who claims that they make over $100,000 dollars a year with a degree from DeVry, please take a stub from your paycheck, place it next to your DeVry degree, and take a picture of it. You can use MSPaint to black out the personal information. Just show the amount of a paycheck (assuming it is biweekly, after taxes, should be at least $2,000). Or even if you make $80,000, then do it to prove that you are who you say you are.

Until someone completes the challenge, I warn everybody here to take these "successful" graduates' stories seriously.

Now, I feel like I must address the other side of the argument. To all of you who can't find jobs with a DeVry degree, I feel like it's not entirely DeVry's fault.

I'll provide a quote from someone earlier:
"ALOT of local colleges are offering LIGITIMATE accelerated degree programs at a fraction of the cost that DeVry charges and at much lower financing rates too!"

Please note that he does not know how to spell "legitimate". It's also not a typo, since e/i are on different sides of the keyboard. Just look at the grammar of some of these people posting. It's worse than a high school senior's writing. I can't even read it without cringing. If you write/speak like this, it's likely you won't get a job.

As a closing comment, I have to say this: A degree does not guarantee you a job. This is from any college. I am currently enrolled in Carnegie Mellon University. I pay over $50,000 a year for my education. I know its importance, and I work extremely hard (I've maintained over a 3.85 GPA). The reason? Because even a degree from Carnegie Mellon does not guarantee you a job. Even with my ridiculously high GPA (top 1% of my class), I have to be professional at interviews, speak properly, and sell myself to employers.

Those of you graduating with a 2.3 GPA from DeVry don't stand a chance in the current job market. From CMU, most employers throw out applications with a GPA less than 3.0.

You won't be considered for a good job with less than a 3.0, and that's from CMU. Now imagine what you would need from DeVry. That being said, if you're at the top of your class at DeVry, and you work hard/know your stuff, then I'm sure you could find a good job.
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#80 Consumer Comment

This isn't a valid "rip off report"

AUTHOR: momentum_power - (USA)

You wrote an emotional report on a school that you were angry at. You never even mentioned why you are upset with the school. I am currently a student at Devry University. In my perspective, your accusations are entirely subjective responses because you are angry with a school. Let me explain.

First you just say it's a scam, then never explain why they are a scam. Devry is the second biggest for profit university. They also own several other schools to include Ross University and Becker College. Ross University is a medical University. Graduates from Ross have a very high pass rate to be licensed to practice medicine in the united states. How can successful doctors graduate from a ripoff school? Becker graduates successful accountants. The statistics from Devry University graduates show that people who graduate from Devry with bachelors degree do very well in a career related to their Devry Degree.

You say that they give a useless education. I haven't even graduated yet and my bosses are already admiring the amount of information that I know. I have learned very important business and management skills that are already paying off in my current career. I firmly believe that no education is a "useless" education. Those were emotionally driven words that portray that your feelings were hurt by this school for some reason. If you can't pass a certain class at a university, it is not productive to go on the internet and trash talk. Study harder next time.

And your credits will transfer to traditional universities. Devry University is accredited by the north central regional accreditation agency. This is the same agency that monitors the standards of all north central universities.

All in all I am extremely satisfied with my Devry University education. It has sculpted me into a much more capable person. Not just because of the extensive knowledge that I have learned in my classes but because of the discipline that it takes to make a difficult goal, then pursue that goal until you reach success. I am happy with a Devry University education. It has already opened doors for me for a more successful future.
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#81 Consumer Suggestion

What else are DeVry Admissions Advisors lying about??

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Well Mr. Charles Hill aka CHILL/TIM etc has been exposed. Funny how he always claimed that he was not a DeVry employee. Complaining that I and others had the "audacity" to insinuate that he is  DeVry employee. Then the truth comes out that he is indeed a DeVry employee!

He also using various handles claims that the reason that I and other prospective students get lambasted with calls 8 times a day or more is because we owe money! If we haven't enrolled, how can we owe money. And here is the real kicker, CHILL is a DeVry Admissions Advisor. He  is one of those PESTS who calls us 8 times a day!!!  And DeVry can't understand why enrollments are decreasing! Hey DeVry, get a clue. Try professionalism and try hiring some professional people.

The only other question I have is that if DeVry employees like CHILL occupy this board ad infinitum and post their mindless, pointless self centered and self serving remarks ad nauseum with lies and crap, what else are they lying about???

I was on DeVry's facebook page and found it quite interesting that several DeVry alumni indicated right there on DeVry's FB page that they had graduated, had mixed feeling about the school BUT cannot find work!!! Hey, what have we been telling you! BUT what has DeVry Admission Advisors like CHILL been telling you???

Considering DeVry?

Caveat Emptor!!

 

 

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#82 Consumer Comment

the truth is the truth

AUTHOR: Curtis - (Canada)

The individual who apparently works for the company provides another typical response.  NONE of these individuals have ever recieved a diploma/degree(read:useless piece of paper) from any one of these private/jokester institutions.  The credits do NOT transfer and employers have even gone out of their way to put on their job adds "University of Phoenix and DeVry grads NEED NOT APPLY".  These schools promise EVERYONE,  regardless of prior education and intellect, a degree with half the effort, in half the time.  I did not attend either of these schools but I did attend Everest and it is seemingly the EXACT same thing.  Private BUSINESSES posing as schools.  Loaded with false promises and lies to get gullible people who are down on their luck and out of a job to enroll.  Funny thing is that the school(or whatever u choose to call it, hows Skool?!) is supposed to get them out of this rut they are in but in actuality puts them FURTHER in the hole.  AM I the only person that gets annoyed when these placed start advertising "Masters" programs?! or what next, "PHDs"?! Like COME ON!  Have any of these people who stick up for these places ever tried to find a proper job as a grad of one of these places?  I guess not.  The system is still the same and these types of places have existed in the past but they have just blown up in size as of late.  I think a lot of it too is people who just want to be able to tell their peers and family that "I got a college degree" and "Im educated" etc.  Its an ego thing and the company uses that to sell it product.The material at Everest was Barely general high school level and it was no where near the level of a TRADITIONAL PUBLIC University or even college.  THe massive amounts of complaints these private business colleges recieve online is astounding and I am suprised theses facilities do not go out of business(they do change their names quite a bit though!)


Anyways, Just go to a REAL University of COLLEGE and pass on this hokey-crap

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#83 Consumer Suggestion

Charles Hill, CHILL aka Tim

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Well CHILL, aka Charles Hill, Admissions Advisor for DeVry, how do I come off by saying that you are a DeVry employee? Easy, because you are. CHILL is a handle used by both you here on the Ripoff report and at DeVry. So what do I call you, CHILL, Charlie, Charles, Chuck, Chuckie Boy or how about BUSTED!

Of course it's not like we never knew that. I and others have been suggesting that for some time.

As for the Tim  handle and comments, they are so ridiculous that I they don't even warrant a response. Anybody with eyes can see. I really think that you take pride in your ignorance!

 

Getting back to your CHILL handle, surely no one on this board would have any objection to a DeVry employee coming on and talking about their positive experiences (if any).

I am sure that everyone knows by now that DeVry employees get their education for FREE! Nothing wrong with that, but why the facade? Why pretend to be a "happy DeVry grad" sometimes in engineering other times in IT, not in the least connected with DeVry in any way, when in fact you are a DeVry employee, ana dmissions advisor and your income and pay raises and bonuses are based on enrollments. Hmmm?

Besides, only a DeVry employee would be so adamant and passionate about rebutting every single person who comes on here and tells the truth about DeVry time after time, after time after time ad nauseum. No real student is that involved with DeVry to come back and defend them. And besides, there are not that many happy/successful students. Once again, YOU ARE BUSTED!

Another good one is your statement that "Other schools have more complaints than DeVry." WOW! So that makes DeVry clean? Just because other schools h ave more complaints? Those other schools  have more students, more enrollments, more starts and that is why they have more complaints. By the way, is it true that DeVry is on track to have it's worst session ever? Apps and starts way down? No wonder you are on here all the time trying to cover up the truth and blindly defending DeVry.

So good bye Charles Hill, Chuck, Charlie, Charles, Chuckie, Tim or whatever. How about if from now on I just call you BUSTED!!!!!

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#84 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Devry is a legitimate college.

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I've enjoyed it DannyD, but I have to quit this.  My postings are nothing but the truth.  You crack me up!  However, I believe you may have some issues.  Any how, Chill.

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#85 Consumer Comment

The Angry Guy (you all know who I'm talking about) lol

AUTHOR: Timothy - (United States of America)

DannyD,

 

Why are you saying that I am some other poster? Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not the Chill guy.. I havent even read his posts. Show some respect and not pointlessly make such baseless accusations, please. When I read that post with the title, I started laughing. You must be very bitter towards Devry to seriously distort such things for no reason at all. If this Chill guy is indeed me has four kids, is a poor college student, is named Timothy Wayne Chavers, and shares my social security number well, then Id probably freak out lol

Perhaps you should actually read the posts you respond to. I will gladly point out your misrepresentations.

When I became a student for Westwood online, I heard the same mess of lies. They scared me, but I decided to give the school a try. Westwood Online turned out to be a great design school, which is very challenging. I'm currently transferring to Devry, because of the web developing classes they offer

I, then, typed: I am going to be enrolling in Devry soon and have been going to westwood for a year. These are not "fast food" schools at all. They have challenging classes

After repeatedly typing that I have not yet taken classes at Devry and repeatedly typing about taking classes at Westwood, obviously I am basing my claim They have challenging classes from my experience at Westwood (for both are very similar).. they have the same class layout, assignment process, testing process, discussion post process, Devry has passed the same accreditation (and more) as Westwood. Even further, I have a friend that goes to Devry.. I can give you his name, if youd like. That is why I typed They have challenging classes. Based on the reasoning there, I think that is a very valid assumption.

Therefore, Ill add this strawman to your logical fallacies list. Lets see how high it can go

You make another attempt to misguide the viewers by saying that I was bragging about taking classes online. This is laughable at best. Please point out where I was bragging.. Ill expect a cherry-picked quote that you interpret with extreme bias and subjectivity lol I simply stated a fact.. that I did exactly what I knew I couldve done at a campus school, had they let me do it. I do my classes faster and get them over with early in the week. So, there goes your strawman #2

You come across like a new admission advisor working for DeVry who has just enrolled in classes which are offered FREE to all employees

Ahh, and here goes this great brain-buster lol Well, your groundless opinion is noted. However, you come across as a person who is for some odd reason very bias against Devry. Using your [sarcasm tag]perfect line of logic[/end], I may as well just pointlessly type that youre an admissions advisor for an opposing school

If you truly had a positive experience with DeVry (which I seriously doubt) congratulations, you are one of the very few

I dont know how many times I can type that I have without you (for a very pointless reason) responding to me as if I am lying for some odd reason. I could care less if you doubt my experience that is directly opposed to some of the weird stuff being typed here. I responded just to give my two cents, and didnt expect my post to be wripped apart by a very bitter person. If people have experiences opposed to mine, then fine.

However, just because a handful of people have a bad experience amounts to moot. A lot of people have problems with plenty of campus schools also. It doesnt mean that the school is horrible or that some conspiracy is going on. Because, thus far, its going quite fine for me.

ON ACCREDITATION

Ive been wanting to go to A&M, but chose not to due to transportation problems. However, being a paraplegic, Ive been in close contact with their admissions and Texas Vocational Rehabilitation. Both A&M and Vocational have told me that Devry would be a great choice for me. So, you will have to excuse me for placing trust in people that help guys like me for a living, rather than some bitter poster at a board. You mentioned this Frontline video again, while I asked for you to specifically quote in context the part of the video that speaks on Devry. Until then, as I said before, Ill take my experience that directly opposes your groundless belief and keep it. I see no reason to ignore my good experience with Devry all because I met an angry poster online. Good day to you.

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#86 Consumer Comment

Chill out Chill (aka Tim and other aliases)

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Once again you are changing who you are as Chill. Your previous post b4 mine had you listed as a "consumer" your most recent one lists you as an "owner of a company" who are you really? Do you even know? Your previous posts indicated that you work as an IT guy for an employer. If you work for someone, how can you be an "owner of a company?" Hmmmmm???

And you are the one who brought on this crap about bill collectors callings. All I said was that I and so many others are disgusted by the number of calls each day from DeVry Admissions Advisors trying to enroll us into school. There, now go  back and read it again S-L-O-W-L-Y! Okay? Got it? Call from ADMISSIONS ADVISORS TRYING TO ENROLL US - NOT bill collectors. ADMISSIONS ADVISORS!

Your rebuttal is about as weak as what we get when we contact DeVy to complain. That is why I strongly beleive that you must work for them, same M.O.!!!

And I don't know why DeVry calls people 8 times a day to tell them about the next session coming up, an app waiver, special discounts, yada, yada, yada. I would think one call every couple of days would be enough and if the consumer didn't respond, I would assume that DeVry would accept that as not interested right? Yeah - but not DeVry! 8 calls a day. Land phone, cell phone, at work, pages, text messages emails, on and on and on. Why does DeVry do this? I don't know, maybe they are running out of leads. Maybe their ads are not pulling as well as they used to. Or maybe they just don't train their people properly. Or maybe it's because they have people from backgounds like telemarketing, time share, penny stocks, brokers, oil and gas scams, vacation packages, multi level marketing, used car sales or amateurish people from companies like Footlocker. YEAH! These are exactly the people that I want as "ADMISSION ADVISORS" determining my career and educational future! Lol!

So in closing, let me say this. I don't know what your financial situation is and quite frankly don't care, however, I would suggest to you ONE MORE TIME to be careful about blindly defending a company just because you have a difference of opinion. And I would be very careful about calling people "LIARS" just because their experience does NOT match up to what you think this company represents.

I would also suggest that when you write a statement like, "I have been talking to an admission advisor at DeVry, like what I see and will be starting classes soon." Please don not insult your intelligence by adding right afterwards, "I have found the classes very challenging." LOL! How can you know if you haven't started yet!!!!! lol

"Nobody can make a fool out of you, because you do such a great job of it all by yourself."

 

 

 

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#87 REBUTTAL Owner of company

So entertaining! oh yeah, Devry rocks!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

yada, yada, yada, Devry Rocks, yada, yada, yada.  Man, I'm really enjoying your postings.  Very entertaining.  By the way and not that is any of your business and not that your going to believe me, but my only debt is my mortgage and one car(car will be paid off in the couple of months).  I don't even know why I'm answering, only that this  is rather entertaining.  The facts are the facts and they are not changing.  I did graduate from a community college.  I did graduate from Devry.  I have been accepted into a graduate program and will be earning my Masters from ECU, if God's willing.  I have made 80+ in the last few years with overtime.  Two months ago I started a new job, that required a 4 yr degree.  The job will replace my income without the overtime.  I have not revealed this fact, but I did call Keller and Phoenix concerning their Master's program.  However I realized I could attend a traditional University, online, and a lot cheaper and in my personal opinion, more credibility for a fraction of the price.  Suprisingly enough, I have not received any phone calls, that I'm aware of, from either university.  So, I'm a little surpised that they are worrying you with a bunch of unwanted phone calls.  However, I don't answer unknown callers.  I figure if I wanted to talk to someone, I would call them.  If its important, they can leave a message.  So, if anyone is worrying me with phone calls, it is because its my choice, since I choose to answer their calls.  Yeah, I know long postings are tough to read, so I guess I'm done.  To anyone reading this and doubt any of my postings, don't.  They are nothing but the truth.  If you find any discrepencies any where, it was completely by accident.  If you tell the truth, you don't need to remember what you said, just what happened.  Later... Chill

 

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#88 Consumer Comment

Double LOL!!!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Hey Chill (Tim),

You never answered my question as to why you bring up the owing money thing. Do you really owe that much money or is that the best you can do with a rebuttal??

I find it amusing that you are the one that posts one time as a "Happy DeVry Grad" having majored in engineering, next time as an IT guy (never state specificially what field though), claiming to make a starting base of $80,000+, then come back and say you have not enrolled with DeVry yet, have spoken to a DeVry Advisor and find the classes "challenging"

At times using your  handle as "Chill" you sometimes claim to be a "consumer" and other times as a "business owner" (I have saved it to my pc by the way) And you say that I am paranoid? Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black??

You jump in to defend DeVry without offering any real information, just recite the same ole, same ole, yada, yada, yada which seems like it comes right off of DeVry's templates. LOL!

Finally, I wouldn't be too exuberant over Shiremans leaving. He is in untill July and the big meeting with the school regulators is in June. And besides, he will be staying on as an advisor anyway not to mention his successor will no doubt be just as tough on ripoff schools like DeVry, UOP et all as Shireman has been. And let's not forget Obama who is also on these schools and looking for corruption.

Life isn't bad at all. In fact, Life is TREMENDOUS!

Don't let those creditor calls get to you. Perhaps you can enroll in yet another class to earn another degree (ha,ha,ha) to pay them all off! LOL!!!!!

HAVE A GREAT DAY CHILL (or whatever), I know I am! :-)

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#89 Consumer Suggestion

LOL!!!!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Not paranoid at all and I too am enjoying this exchange from you. As I am  sure potential DeVry students are as well. By all means, please continue posting. Nothing validates what I or the others have said than you're own statements.

So are you a consumer again or a business owner? Do you ever proof read your message before you send them off or are you too paranoid and impulsive in your ways???

 

DeVry rocks???

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Nobody can make a fool out of you, because you do such a grand job of it all by yourself!"

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#90 General Comment

Thanks for the laugh, Dannyd!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

Dannyd, you seem a little paranoid!  I have only stated facts and its very amusing that you are so distrusting.  Tim??? :)  Like I said, we should all do our own research and not listen to me or Dannyd, even though the path I'm taking to a Masters degree is nothing but the truth.  I'm not there yet, but I'm getting closer.  Lighten up dd, life isn't all that bad, is it?  If life throws you lemonades, make lemonade!


Chill

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#91 Consumer Suggestion

Suffering from a mental meltdown Chill???

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

First of all, I have already answered all of your questions in your newest post several times. Just scroll up and read them. Just for the record, I do NOT owe DeVry money nor do I have any experience with collection agencies. However, judging by the number of times you bring that up, am I correct in assuming that you are very familiar with having collection agencies calling your home? Perhaps too much debt from schools like DeVry??? Or perhaps you work for DeVry, got the free education but not making enough money to pay your bills???

I don't know why DeVry's used car salesmen/saleladies aka Admission Advisors will call potential students up to 8 times a day. They even call 2-3 times in a row as shown on caller ID. I do know that it is very annoying. Especially after you demand to be put on a do not call list which they totally ignore. Ditto for the call on cell phones, pages, text messages and redundant emails.

Accreditation? I answered that one two several posts up. I will only add that it is the manner that DeLie, er, DeVry misleads people about their accreditation that bothers people.

If two or more people saying the same thing which is wrong does  not make a right, isn't it safe to assume that 1 person using two or more aliases (Tim, Chill etc.) does not make something wrong into a right either??

On some of your posts you claim to be a consumer. More recent ones now state you as being an owner. Which is it? Confused chill? Too much debt? Too many creditors calling? Or perhaps you realize that your pointless arguments are getting you nowhere? OR maybe you don't know what the real truth is?

DeVry has a lot of issues. A lot of complaints have been made. Frontline did a real nice piece on allof the for profit schools several weeks back. Oh I know, they have creditors calling them too and that is why they are exposing the malicious tactics by schools like DeVry, ITT, University of Phoenix and more right?? C'mon!!!!

Think twice before you blindly support an organization. Research it first and make sure you have your facts correct.   So far you act like a blind man trying to win a reading contest.  You refute every complaint, call people haters and never take the time to ask yourself, "Are they right?" "Have they been mistreated?" "Am I right in taking a defense for DeVry without knowing the facts?"

My best advice to you is to think first, then act. You are acting very emotionally, sort of like the "innocent naivette" that I talked about a coupleof posts up.

By the way, didn't you say that "this is my last post" about 10 posts ago??? Seriously, your credibility, if you ever had any, is below zero.

 

"Nobody can make a fool out of you, because you do sucha good job of it all by yourself."

 

Considering DeVry??

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!!!!

 

 

 

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#92 Consumer Comment

Nice Try Tim

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Hey Tim, I appreciate your energetic response and I always welcome a spirited debate, however, I am curious, do you ever proof read your material before you send it off?

In one instance you say that you have not even enrolled in DeVry, then you turn around and say the classes are challenging. How can you determine the classes are challenging if you haven't even started yet? Hmmmmm???

Then you question the comments by myself and others referring to DeVry and other schools with similiar schemes as "fast food education" and you also brag about the ease of taking classes online, the advantage of not having to drive to a school, do it on your own time, yada, yada, yada. This is virtually the same speil that I heard from every DeVry used car salesman aka Admissions Advisor that I spoke to on the phone or in person. Are you using one of their templates?

The only thing you left out was the "advantage" of setting up a web cam so you can see the professor and the professor can see you. I never understood the advanatge of that and besides I found out later that few classes offer that anyway.

You also forgot to mention the "advantage" of going online and taking classes while you are sitting in a Dr's office, in a restaurant or anywhere that offers WI FI connections. This is all part of the fast food education facade that DeVry and other schools capitalize on.

You come across like a new admission advisor working for DeVry who has just enrolled in classes which are offered FREE to all employees. Nothing wrong with that, except you haven't experienced the scattered brain mantra and mass chaos of DeVry yet. But don't worry, you will.

I also find it interesting that you will call all of us who have had bad experiences with DeVry liars just because you disagree with us. Now what qualifies you to make that statement? How can you possibly know the horrible experiences we had with DeVry? Think twice before you pass judgement and call people names.

If you truly had a positive experience with DeVry (which I seriously doubt) congratulations, you are one of the very few or perhaps you have that innocent naivette and just don't realize what they did to you.

Thinking of enrolling in DeVry???

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!!

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#93 Consumer Comment

Right on!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

While I was being pitched by the used car salesmen/saleladies from DeLie, er I mean DeVry, I was also contatcing companies n my area in which I was considering future employment. While they lauded me for  great presence of mind and work ethic on my desire to go to school, they also hedged when I told them I was considering DeVry.


 


"Why not go first class and go to a real school." They advised. "I don't think we can accept anyone from on of those schools." They went on.


While job searching, I came across several people some with degrees from DeVry, some who were attending classes at DeVry or other online schools and they indicated "dismal results" in their job searches or more to the point, in getting a job. They also indicated very little if any success with DeVry's career services program.


What all of us found is that employers are NOT inmpressed with DeVry's "open book" testing and willingness to crank out students who may not be qualified for the fields they have degrees in.


There is also a lot of concern of DeVry's practice to take anybody into class who can fog a mirror and pay the necessary application fee. SURE they claim that they have strict qualifications, BUT,,,, we all know better.


Way too many people were accepted for classes who were woefully underqualified for school and would NOT be accepted by a real school or university. These students who get suckered into programs are stuck with a large student loan that in many cases they cannot repay and still cannot find work.


Judging by the large number of DeVry employees who continue to come on this board pretending to be "Happy DeVry Grads", it is obvious that we have hit a nerve and are getting the right message out.


The funniest one is the guy who says he hasn't even started taking classes yet but loves DeVry and has already posted two rebuttals stating absolutely nothing! LOL!! Except: DEVRY ROCKS!! WOW! But how could he determine that DEVRY ROCKS if he/she has yet to take even one class???



It is obvious that a lot of  people are complaining here about DeVry, BTW, only one person continually comes back to defend DeVry. HELLO!


Complaints have been made for a lot of reasons starting with the used car salesmen/salesladies aka "Enrollment Counselors", "Admissions Advisors" or whatever they call themsleves the day you speak to them. They are in fact, sales people. Amateurish to experienced snake oil type salespeople but admission advisors or counselors they are not.


Complaints by consumers range from outrageus claims, blatant lies and sales pitches made by the sales people [admission advisors] to the inept financial aid dept and more.


My experience with DeVry showed lot's of confusion, mass disorganization and very little concern for the consumer.


There is a certain amount of truth in what these DeVry employees say when they claim to be DeVry grads. It is a fact that virtually all DeVry employees are either DeVry grads or attending classes at DeVry. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it is smart especially considering that DeVry employees get to go to school for FREE!!!!


And if you work for DeVry, especially in a sales position, what better way to sell a student on coming on board than by saying that you believe in your product [DeVry] sp much that you are a graduate or are taking classes yourself? Of course you are never told that these guys get the programs for FREE!


So while they think it is grand that you pay $40,000 to $75,000 for their programs and say, "I believe in this so much that I have enrolled/graduated from DeVry myself."  They never tell you that they got their education FREE! No wonder they recommend it so highly. The perfect price. And that explains all of the DeVry employees, or that one who changes their name everyday, raving about DeVry and the education.


And you thought they were honorable!


My best advice is to stay away from DeVry completely. But if you are really sold on DeVry, at least wait untill after the big meeting in June.  Expect a lot of changes to come including drastic reductions in the cost of attending classes at schools like DeVry, University of Phoenix, ITT, Keiser, Kaplan and other similiar schools.  The governing bodies that control schools are looking into these for profit schools, they are listening to our complaints and expect major change coming. The Obama adminstration is also looking into these schools. When the government gets involved, that is never a good sign.


So please disregard the mindless and irresponsible comments by DeVry employees who are raving about the value of a degree which they got for FREE! Stay away from DeVry. Go to a local community or state school where you will pay 1/3 less, get a better education and at least it will be valued by employers.


OR you can always get a job at DeVry and get your education FREE! However, if you change jobs you may find other employers will not recognize your bachelors degree and you'll be back on the street again.


Considering DeVry?


CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!!!!


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#94 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Devry is a huge opportunity for many!!!!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

Someone represent 20% of the postings on here.  LOL!!


Any way, your statement that Devry credits do not transfer is an out and out lie.  Any one consdiering attending any College, please do your own research and don't listen to this load of garbage.  True, some credits will not transfer into specific programs, because each program has its own requirements.  An example is most of my credits from a community college would not transfer into an engineering degree at ECU or NC State, which is why I attended Devry to earn my baccalaureate's degree.  Same with most credits from Devry would not transfer into those same schools, because they require specific courses.  However, when a University requires a baccalaureate degree to enter their Graduate program, a devry baccalaureate degree will suffice.  This fact is undeniable, which means Devry credits/degrees do transfer. 


Obviously, some of us don't understand what accreditation means.


Accreditation ensures a basic level of quality in the education you receive from an institution. It also ensures your degrees will be recognized for the true achievements they are. It is the job of an accreditation organization to review colleges, universities, and other institutions of higher education to guarantee quality and improvement efforts. 


DeVry University is accredited by The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association, which also list Notre Dame College along with many other colleges.  Devry is a legitimate college, so don't believe all this garbage, obviously from individuals that are not paying their bills.  Other wise why would Devry continue to badger them.  I talked a few times to my Devry counselor, prior to enrolling.  Once I was enrolled and had my Salle Mae loans in order, I never heard from them again, except for a counselor informing me about job fairs and job opportunities. 


 


Why would Devry call me again and again if I have paid my bills?  I wish someone would please enlighten me.


In my opinion, Devry Rocks!!!  Now I just need to focus on earning my Masters from a traditional 4 year university.  Much cheaper!  Devry Rocks!!!!

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#95 Consumer Comment

Haters Above

AUTHOR: Timothy Chavers - (United States of America)

Danny, perhaps you can show me in the link where they give evidence that Devry is somehow a "fast food" school? 

I am going to be enrolling in Devry soon and have been going to westwood for a year.  These are not "fast food" schools at all.  They have challenging classes.. people that consider them easy aren't very specific as to how it is easy.  They can give their full amount of work they do per term and I bet it will not look easy.. if it does, then they are lying about it.  I can take the time in responding with scanned images of my huge term work load.

I went to Arkansas Technical University's campus school and it is easier than these online classes that I've taken, so far.  That is why I keep typing that you guys are typing groundless, untenable statements.  Hell, when I went to Arkansas Tech I always thought "geez, I can finish all this weekly work they give me in just a few days, if I worked hard enough on it".  That's what led to my current decision.

I think what it all falls down to is people who have to or in the past attended campus school where they had no control over their time and work that online schools offer.  I think that it is just a matter of hating on people who go there, because they get to manage their time and can do their entire weeks work in 15 hours one day, if they wish...

Rather than going to a campus school 6-8 hours a day 5 days a week where you have to attend pointless lectures that you can learn from home much faster.  Or you can just listen to the lectures every now and then, depending on what sort of things you have going on that day.

 

I'm having to suppose the reasoning behind the hater's comments, because they haven't given any.  They have given bias links, videos, etc. that do not tell the other pov and actually do not give evidence against Devry.  I have offered evidence against the position that Devry uses "sales pitches", because they offered none to me.  What do the haters have to say to that?

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#96 Consumer Suggestion

Innocent Naivette???

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Your comments are right Mr. Ivy League. Trying to compare DeVry with a traditional legitimate University is like comparing a man who drives a garbage truck who'e title may be "Enviromental Engineer" to someone who has comleted school and has a degree in engineering.


Some people just don't realize that these for profit schools are merely offering "fast food" education that unfortunately turns out to more like junk food for the brain. And it is very true that credits will not transfer to higher rated universities.


The "Admissions Advisors", "Enrollment Consultants" or whatever they call themselves are really just snake oil salesmen/salesladies reciting a sales pitch and they are so good at what they do, that the innocent with naivette have no clue that it is happening to them. It is a fact that people buy emotionally and defend logically. If in fact any of these positive statements are from actual DeVry students and not real DeVry employees (more likely), chances are they are merely trying to defend their bad decision with their version of logic and not admit that they made an incorrect, impulsive purchase, are stuck with a big bill and still out of work.


There is not doubt that people with education do better than people without. But before you leap onto to one of these "fast food" for profit school programs, ask yourself, "What will I get out of this?" For the most part you will have a degree that may make for a nice place mat or if you chose to frame  it, looks nice but....????


If you really are considering going to DeVry or any of these other for profit schools that are continually getting complaints from real dissatisfied consumers who felt that they were ripped off, try this. Before you sign anything, eat a live frog. Then nothing else you can do, even falling for one of these online schemes will be that bad. And then you can rationalize for your  bad decision.


Caveat Emptor!

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#97 Consumer Comment

Untenable Lies

AUTHOR: Timothy - (United States of America)

Mostly lies in these negative posts.  When I became a student for Westwood online, I heard the same mess of lies.  They scared me, but I decided to give the school a try.  Westwood Online turned out to be a great design school, which is very challenging.  I'm currently transferring to Devry, because of the web developing classes they offer.

I am currently talking to an Admissions Representative.. I'm still in the process of becoming a student.  I have gotten no sales pitches or anything of the such.  All that I've experienced, so far, is the typical interview-type process.  So, I have direct proof based on experience to the contrary of what these negative posts are saying. Therefore, I feel led to consider these claims groundless and untenable.

If any former students say that they were given sales pitches, then I would not automatically jump on their side as others are doing.  The only way to see if what they are saying is true is if such people offer some sort of proof or grounding, outside of bias statements.  Thus far, I've seen none.  Just supposed former students and employees making groundless statements that are a direct contradiction to my experience with Devry.

So, take these negative posts with a grain of salt, viewers.  My experience with the Devry admissions process has not been "sales pitched" at all.

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#98 Consumer Comment

DeVry is clueless

AUTHOR: Angry Consumer_10 - (United States of America)

I requested information from DeVry off the internet about a month ago. Recieved a call from what sounded like a very young person who also sounded very inexperienced and confused. I indicated that I wanted to enroll in the next session and was old that it was filled up. Okay I figure I'll move on.

 

2 days later I get a call from the same person. Now I AM told that there is roomin the class but I must act immediately and they needed my app fee RIGHT NOW! I hesitate and say maybe later.

I call them back and am told the classes are filled. No luck

Next day I get a call back. There is room for one more person. WTF!!!

I reluctantly enroll but them am told that they made a mistake and I would have to get into the next session. I say I want a refund. They tell me they can't

Still waiting for a refund. These people are jerks stay away!

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#99 Consumer Comment

Frontline takes on DeVry, University of Phoenix, For Profit Schools. Link

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Funny, this well researched report by Frontline pretty much tells the same thing that I and many others have been saying for along time and which has been refuted by the croonies and DeVry minions who at best can only parady managements comments.

Here is the link. Must watching if you are considering enrolling in one of these "fast food" version of education.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/view/

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#100 Consumer Comment

TIA - A Classic DeVry Employee

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Like most good emplyee's, Tia believes and buys in to everything she is taught by her employer and accepts it as true without further investigation. Whatever is taught in training class must be true, after all it was told to her by her DeVry trainers who are paid by DeVry. People like Tia want it to be true, even if it isn't. THEY HOPE IT IS TRUE, BUT NEVER INVESTIGATE IT.


The regional accreditation is only a way that DeVry can get their hands on governement money, grants, financial aid to attract students. Other wise DeVry would be out of business. One of the biggest lies from DeVry is that their accreditation is supposedly superior to schools without regionals such as nationals.  There are only two real differences: regionals (especially DeVry) charge more for tuition and nationals are reviewed by the governing body every five years whereas regionals are reviewed once every ten years.


People like Tia want to blame the student. Like many others, I went through the telephone and in person interview. I was given the ROI presentation and was pitched on the vlaue of education as to why it is an investment and not an expence. I was told people with bachelors degrees earned on average $1 million $$$ more in a lifetime. However, when I challenged that, my admission advisor got upset.


Interesting enough, these admissions never talk about the huge debt that the student carries or the decreasing salaries for new grads. In my case, they didn't even recognize that I was already in my mid 30's and considering school amidst one of the worst recessions on record.


The fact is that most of these DeVry salespeople aka Admission Advisors may be well meaning albeit misinformed croonies and minions for their company. They mean well...their advice can be deadly.


Check this out..........


http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/debt/


 


Average Debt for Graduating College Seniors Rises to $23,200




moneyTony Cenicola/The New York Times

Yet another study has been released that will provide scant comfort to those college applicants, and their parents, who intend to take out loans to pay for their education.


Students who graduated from college in 2008 with loans carried an average debt of $23,200 an increase of nearly 25 percent, or $4,550, when compared with those who graduated just four years earlier. These figures appear in the latest study by the Project on Student Debt, an initiative of the Institute for College Access and Success, a nonprofit organization.


The report also notes that employment prospects for young college graduates have soured along with the economy. Citing unpublished data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the researchers report that the unemployment rate for college graduates between the ages of 20 and 24 was 7.6 percent in the third quarter of 2008, the highest third-quarter rate since 2002. By the third quarter of this year it was 10.6 percent, the highest on record.


The projects Web site has broken down the average student debt data by state, in an easy-to-navigate map. It shows the District of Columbia ($29,793), Iowa ($28,174) and Connecticut ($26,138) as having college graduates with the highest debt. Utah ($13,041) and Hawaii ($15,156) have the lowest.

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#101 Consumer Suggestion

"He said, She said"

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

DeVry likes to use testimonials by possibly paid actors, or DeVry employees to hawk their services and create new leads. Query: If in factt here is any truth at all to DeVry's claims of having millions of successful students with a job placement rate of 91% or better for over 30 years, why do they need to do so much advertising? I would think that "Happy DeVry Grads" will be providing them an abundance of quality leads via referrals.

The reason that I and so many others have been protesting on this and other boards about DeVry and rebutting the supposed "Happy DeVry Grads" is that we want people to know the facts about DeVry or at least, the other side. We also want people to realize that these so called "Happy DeVry Grads" sound just too good to be true and their stories appear to come off the same template that DeVry uses in their advertising.

But anyway, there are many consumers who are not too happy with the way they were treated by DeVry. Call it "He said, she said" if you want, but then again, are not those testimonials in DeVry ads and on this board also "He said, she said"??

 

 

 

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#102 Consumer Comment

Not flattering myself.

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

As someone once said, "Nobody can make a fool out of you, because you do such a bangup job of doing it all by yourself."

Please, by all means keep posting. Your comments are the best validation of all of the complaints that have been made about DeLie, er, I mean DeVry.

How come every time I think of DeVry or read one of your posts, I hear Circus music and think of Barnum & Bailey?

 

 

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#103 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Very Amusing!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I'm sorry DannyD, but don't flatter yourself and believe you hit a nerve.  The only reason I'm back is I find it extremely amusing that you have such a hard time believing anyone has a positive experience at Devry. 

Oh yeah, please enlighten me on what acronym that I used. 

I believe you stated "USING ACRONYMS to describe programs is a dead giveaway".

I hope you are not refering to GRE or MAT!  Programs??? If so, that is halarious!!!!  If not, my apologies.

These are admission tests that are required for all graduate schools, except for profit schools.  I have never heard anyone refer to these exams in any other way than GRE or MAT.  In fact I had to look up GRE to know that it stood for Graduate Record Examination. 

Oh yeah, DEVRY ROCKS!  It allowed me to get my bachelors degree without having to start over. (My credits from the Community College would not transfer to a traditional University)  The Devry Bachelor's degree allows me to work towards my Masters at ECU.  By the way, did I mention DEVRY ROCKS!

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#104 Consumer Comment

Concerning Job Placement by DeVry

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

To be absolutely clear, the promises made by DeVry is that "DeVry 92%-97% of students find work in their CHOSEN FIELD within 6 months of graduation with an income of at least $45,000"

Please note the emphais on "chosen field" and "income of $45,000." These are the claims made by DeVry reps aka Admission Advisors, Representatives, Consultants or whatever title they  give themselves.

I don't know of any jobs paying $45,000 to start for cleaning toilets nor do I know of anyone who spends $65,000 to $70,000 to obtain a bachelors degree so they can clean toilets or work in a car wash. Do you??

 

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#105 Consumer Comment

Facts don't lie!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

First of all chill, I am sorry if I hit a nerve by telling the truth, but too bad. USING ACRONYMS to describe programs is a dead giveaway that you are really a DeVry employee. So are the inflated wages you claim. Sorry, but you are busted.

By the way, didn't you say that "this is my last response" about 7 posts ago? Another lie? OoopS??

 

Now let's move on...

I'm more than a little confused about all the calls too. Sorry to dissappoint you, but no, I don't owe money. Nice try. The calls I get are the same number, appear to  be "Admission Advisors" [salespeople], all come across on my caller ID as DeVry. Many times they call when I am not home. Some times they call back within minutes. Usually it is more than one person all calling for DeVry. Some times they leave messages like this one:

 

"Hello_, this is _one of the admission advisors from DeVry University. I seen (their verbage, not mine LOL) where you requested more information about DeVry programs. I am not in sales, I am here to assist you to meet your goals. I can be reached at xxx xxx xxxx or toll free at xxx xxx xxxx. Talk with ya later. (HA, HA, HA)

So amateurish but so DeVry. These calls continue all day long even on weekends. How did I get on the list? I filled out a questionaire as many people do for information about going back to school. Initially, I thought it was upscale and authentic. I also attended an open house and found the so called admission advisors who "are trying to sell anything" rookie to experienced used car salesmen who could care less about the students but where only concerned about meeting their sales quota's.

 

In another regard, I do know that there have been a lot of complaints about DeVry's financial aid dept., errors in billing, overcharges, double charges and so on. That is why so many lawsuits have been filed against DeVry as well as complaints. Look for that to continue untill DeVry cleans up their act.

As for the job placement, even DeVry's CEO is now claiming about 86%, much lower than the 97% usually claimed by DeVry used car salesmen and I think the 86% is also inflated based on actual stats across the board from major schools across the USA which states that only 20% of new grads find work. Also notice that whenever job placement is mentioned in print by DeVry, it is followed by an asterisk.  I wonder how many people they are including in this statistic, 15, 8 or 4?? In other words, 86% out of a maximum of 15 people find work?? See ya!

Comparing DeVry to Yale? LOL!!! BHWAAAA! You've got to be kidding! But I already ansered that with a link regarding DeVry's accreditation. That link also exposes the lie that DeLie, er DeVry says that their regional accreditation is supposedly superior to national  accreditations held by other schools.

And I am sorry to hear about all of the layoffs at DeVry. I can understand you fear of holding on to yours, but that doesn't warrant your coming of as a "Happy DeVry Grad" with a starting salary about double the average for the industries that you allude to be in.

Once again, too good to be true. And if DeVry's stock is any indication of how people feel about this company, I see a lot more downside coming.  My concern is for people who are struggling and get sucked into a sales pitch that DeVry is going to "change lives", get you on to the fasttrack to success, that 97% of DeVry grads find work within 6 months, yada, yada, yada" and in the end, these people end up in far worse shape than when they started.

 

 

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#106 General Comment

Devry "Stats"

AUTHOR: axxx - (United States of America)

To the Devry employees posting stats about career placement:  I'm sure the numbers are correct - but I think they may be misleading.  What counts as a job "placement" - just having a job a few months after finishing?  do you count student/customers who had jobs while taking your courses as having been "placed"?  since devry is "non-traditional" more of its students will be adults with jobs to begin with - so if s student/customer has a job cleaning toilets when he starts, and has the same job cleaning toilets when he finishes do you count him as "placed"?  Basically I'm asking you how you get your numbers - do you arrive at your numbers the same way that the state university you mention arrives at theirs?  I don't know - but I doubt it.  Also - most major universities will provide an avg salary for a graduate - NOT an average salary for someone in the field of study - an average salary for someone coming out of that program and that school.  Why don't you post that information?

to the Devry employee who said that devry has the same accreditation as Harvard and Yale - I'm sure this is factually true - as it is unlikely that you would post a blatant lie - but I bet it is also misleading.  Are you saying that Devry has ALL of the same accreditation as Harvard and Yale, or just that all three have atleast one accreditation in common?  What exactly is required to get the accreditation that devry has? 

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#107 General Comment

Why would you be getting calls day and night??

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I'm a little confused DannyD.  Why would you be getting calls day and night, unless you haven't paid your bills.  If there is another reason, I would love to hear it.  It seems many of us believe there is such a thing as a "free lunch".  But there is no such animal.  Our economic mess, is due to at least partially, to the free lunch concept.  The gov't promoted increased home ownereship and that is great, but not to individuals that haven't earned that priviledge.  Here is a link that shows gov't officials stating that there wasn't an issue with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It is outrageous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

 We all need to take responsibility for ourselves!  To make one independent, teach him to take care of himself or herself.  To make one dependent, take care of them, give him money, give him food, give him housing, etc...  and he/she will be under your control.  The gov't knows what they are doing, and its not good for any of us. 

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#108 Consumer Comment

Don't believe the lies from DeVry about Job placement

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

My experience w ith DeVry was horrible. From non stop calls, day and night and on weekends to ridulous promises about job placement. I was told by a DeVry rep that 97% of DeVry grads find work within 6 months with a starting salary of at least $45,000.

Fortunately I did some checking on my own and found the real stats on how successul college grads were in finding work. Part of that article and a link follow. The complainst about DeVry and to be fair other for profit schools are real. That is why educational regulatory bodies and the Obama administration are looking into these outfits.

 

Also be wary of certain people on this and other boards claiming to be "Happy DeVry Grads" especially when they refer to courses and programs using an acronym. Only DeVry employees use acronyms when referring to a course. This is a dead giveaway. Another is claims of high nearly 6 figure staring incomes in industries where the avg income is less than half that.

Here is the article and the link. Enjoy!

College Graduates Face Toughest Job Market in Years



Bryan Hopkins, a senior at the University of Florida, calls the situation frustrating. "You feel frustrated because you feel now that was it all worth it," he said. "In a perfect world, I would have walked right off the stage and into a fulltime job in my field, but I mean I have the degree now and I am still waiting."

Yale University School of Management professor Lisa Kahn said recent college graduates will suffer the long-term effects of this recession much more than their counterparts who graduated in boom times.

Departing seniors are "suffering from the recession like everyone else is, but the effects are going to stay with (them) for much

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7636561&page=1

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#109 General Comment

Devry did contact me on numerous occassions, concerning career counseling!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I can only speak from my personal experience with Devry.  Prior to my graduation, I was contacted by an individual from Devry on several occassions, informing me of career days, offering assistance with my resume and just trying to help me find a job.  However, I found a job without his assistance, but the assistance that Devry had promised was definitely there.  Its tough to believe some of these stories, since my experience was positive.  The postings that state I heard or she said or he said, is irrelevant in my opinion.  However the postings where the individuals had first hand experience(which was a negative experience) with attending Devry, is very concerning.  All I can say is that I had no complaints, except for the cost.
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#110 Consumer Comment

Don't buy into that "Regional Accredition" Hype from DeLie

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

One of the biggest of the bogus claims from DeLie, er, I  mean DeVry is the significance of their "Regional Accreditation. Here are the facts about accreditation. Read or email this to the DeVry rep next time they call you and brag about their "Regional Accreditation"....

There is no fundamental difference between the two forms of accreditations. Both are conducted by non-profit associations established by consent of a group of institutions. Both accreditations are based on the principle of voluntary application by an institution, both are institution-wide in scope, and both use peer reviews to judge whether an institution meets published standards of academic quality and institutional integrity.

DETC enjoys the precisely same national recognitions as the regional bodies do, and DETC has the same kind of accreditation standards which address curriculum quality, faculty qualifications, student services, and ethical and business practices.

There are some interesting differences: DETC is expert in distance learning technique and specializes in accrediting distance education instruction. It has over a half century of experience in doing this. DETC evaluates institutions completely every five years, while regional accreditation is conducted once each decade. Between five-year reviews, DETC does a comprehensive subject specialist curriculum evaluation of every new program before students may enroll, while the regional associations do not.

But at the core, the accreditations are very similar, and both are virtually identical in philosophy and scope of activity. To term one more acceptable or better than another is not at all accurate.

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DeLie, er, DeVry likes to put down schools which are nationally accredited. Did you note the part above where it says that nationally accredited schools are reviewed every five years while regionals only once per decade? That makes me prefer nationally accredited schools. A lot can change in 10 years.

Another lie by DeLie, er DeVry is that traditional schools won't accept or transfer credits from students who attended nationally accredited schools or universites.

WRONG! In 2006 a study was done and found that 70% of credits by students who attended nationally accredited universities/schools were accepted by traditional universities.

Do you due dilligence when looking for a school. Don't believe the redundant ads on tv and on the internet or the b.s. from the glorified telemarketers aka Admission Advisors who bother you with their incessant and meaningless calls.

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#111 Consumer Comment

The next shoe to drop on DeVry.....

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Shares of for-profit education firm Apollo Group (APOL), which runs the University of Pheonix, as well as various online degree programs, are off $1.48, or 2.3%, at $63, apparently on rumors today that the U.S. Department of Education is considering getting more involved in scrutinizing the quality of instruction for post-secondary education.


Please note that the U.S Department of Education is considering getting more involved in all of these post-secondary education schools. Expect DeVry to be on top of that list.


I am certain that all of the complaints onboards like this as well as to the regulatory agencies have contributed to this investigation. Keep the complainst rolling.


By the way, I got a call from a DeVry rep  recently. He was trying very hard to "close" me with his amateurish sales skills. I wanted to be nice as he sonded like a nice young kid just trying to do his job. Finally out of curiosity I asked him what he did before coming to DeVry. He told me that he used to work for Footlocker. FOOTLOCKER!!! You have to be kidding me. How does it make you feel to know that one of the genious's helping guide your educational future has been qualified by DeVry because he used to work at FOOTLOCKER! OMG!!!!!!!!


 


http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/04/08/apol-dips-on-dept-of-ed-chatter-relax-says-wedbush/?mod=yahoobarrons

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#112 General Comment

LOL

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

LOL....He said, she said.... I hear... People tell me....LOL.....They are accreditted and accepted by major universities.   This is undeniable!

DannyD, your links didn't tell me anything about the quality of education at Devry, Phoenix or anywhere else for that matter.  ????  So what was the point? :)

By the way I do agree with the concern with the admission advisors and them accepting anyone.  An example is they do not require the GRE or MAT for a Master's program.  But this goes back to the fact that they are a for profit school.  However, this doesn't dictate the quality of education one receives from Devry.  If I would have dropped out, or was unable to find a decent job, I would definitely be irate with Devry.  I would be one of those disgruntled Devry students.  My sister graduated from Apalachin State University and she knows several people that have graduated with a Doctorate and are unable to find work. So Devry doesn't have the market share on graduates that are unable to find work or dropouts that owe big bucks.  You guys need to get a life!  I guess I do too, since I'm still on here.  Later!

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#113 Consumer Comment

It's not the students, it's the salepeople!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Comments from Chris responding to Christine

I noticed Christine mentioned that their friend graduated from Devry and ended up being a stock clerk then a customer service rep for American Express. I know it is an old post but i will comment on it anyway. I am not a student of Devry nor do I have any affiliation with Devry. But i do know someone who went to ITT and ended up in a similar situation that was described by Christine. He went to ITT and graduated with an Associate's Degree, got a job making about $15hr, back in 1998. Well I only graduated high school and I was making $55k before he graduated from ITT. The reason was not the school but his motivation level to get things done on his own. I have always been the no one is going to do it for me type. When they say job placement assistance TOO MANY PEOPLE think that means I go there and they put me in a job, no interview, no test, no anything. That is TOTALY UNTRUE, which was this guys problem, he thought job placement assistance meant they will just walk up to him one day and say go to work. That's why today I have a 6 figure salary and he is at $55k. You have to know how to intervew, know how to put together a NICE resume, good communication skills, etc., etc. Ambition makes all the difference, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH SCHOOL YOU GO TO, if you are not ambitious you will end up a stock clerk or a sales rep with a Bachelors Degree. Plan and simple.

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The problem Chris is the way those used car salespeople aka Admission Advisors/Enrollment Counselors etc. sell the benefits of DeVry career services and job placement. I h ave spoken to some of these people and to hear them, DeVry will help you with your resume, brush it up and improve your interview skills. They also claim to have a huge database of employers begging for DeVry grads to fill open positions. And they claim that their career services is available from day 1 when you enroll in DeVry and indicate that DeVry will even help you find work while you are attending either classes on campus or online.

That is the way it is sold and it is a TOTAL LIE!

DeVy also exaggerates the percentage of people who find work and never talk about their large attrition rate.

The problem is NOT with the student not understanding their part, the problem is the outrageus claims and manipulative tactics employed by the Advisors who by the way come from unscrupulous sales backgrounds like used car sales, pennystocks, time share, vacation packages and so on. Why you think these people are professional admission advisors, they are in reality just glorified telemarketers working in a cublicle, hyping DeVry and have very little if any concern about the student.

If they can't close you, one of their fellow used car salesmen will jump on the line or if they miss you you will get a call back from one of t hem claiming to be from some special department, whatever  name they just made up.

PT Barnum would  be proud of these tactics! LOL!

 

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#114 Consumer Suggestion

I couldn't agree more!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Hardly a day goes by when I hear of someone who is complaining about DeVry or one of the other for profit online schools and the usual complaint is that they were misinformed by an Admissions Advisor.

The question of whether or not DeVry is a real school is legitmate. Similiar complaints have been made against some of DeVry's competitors who engage in the same tactics that DeVry does such as ITT:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_142098...

The problem with DeVry is that they are very expensive and make grandiose promises. The Admission Advisor (AA) will tell you that all of these top employers respect and will honor DeVry. The truth is that many do offer tuition reimbursement to their employees for DeVry but look for that to change. Many employers willnot accept DeVry as well as compeitors like UOP. One company went so far as to post a sign saying;

"We will not accept graduates of DeVry or University of Phoenix."

It's a real shame that these online/for profit schools are exploiting the current economic crisis and taking advantage of the naive. But seriously, how can you take these schools seriously when they constantly advertise on tv and blitz wiht popups on your computer? Real respected universities don't do that.

I feel sorry for students who work hard, invest a lot of money in these programs and in the end  are in the same situation as they were before only deeper in debt.

I also have to chuckle at these supposedly "Happy DeVry Graduates" who post nonsense here bragging about their high nearly six figure incomes all thanks to graduating from DeVry. Isn't it true that they are really DeVry employees desperate to hang on to their jobs?

We have mentioned numerous times about the lie that DeLie, er DeVry makes claiming that "we are not an open university and do not accept everyone." The truth is, the real definition of an open university is merely having a GED or High School diploma and DeVry will accept anyone with the necessary application fee and a pulse. So does UOP:

Here is a piece regarding UOP that appeared in Barron's recently,

"Apollo, however, is not the stock to own, says Sokol. He has an Underperform rating on the shares. My thinking is that the management team pursued the wrong strategy last year, he says. There was a concentration of low-quality students coming to the schools because of the recession, and now theyre reaping the consequences of signing them up, such as bad debt expense and other headaches. I think the stock probably trades sideways the next year or so.

To read the complete article:

http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/04/08/apol-dips-on-dept-of-ed-chatter-relax-says-wedbush/?mod=yahoobarrons

DeVy likewise caters to anyone. I have even heard that they enrolled a 75 year old! And when the student called back to cancel, the same AA that enrolled this poor sucker said that he couldn't help with the refund. Nuff said.

At the end of the day, the real responsibility falls on the student not to fall prey to these scammers. And if you think that there have been a lot of complaints here, this pales compared to complaints made to regulatory agencies and it has only just begun.

So thank you for your comments. Hopefully regulatory agencies will clamp down on these online/for profit schools and get them to cleanup their act or shut them down.

I see a lot of these "Universities" losing their accreditation after the big meeting in June.

 

 

 

 

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#115 General Comment

I am greatly amused!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I am greatly amused by all of the comments, not just yours, DannyD.  I'm not sure what facts you are talking about.  The facts that I know of are:


Devry is an accreditted college.  A Devry BS degree is accepted into a State university's Master's program.  I'm sure you can't transfer Devry credits to finish up a degree.  I looked into transfering my credits from a local community college(Associates degree) into a State university and only a few would transfer, which means I would have to start over.  (One major reason I attended Devry, because all of my credits transfered)  I have asked two employers will they accept a degree from Devry or Phoenix.  Both responded yes. 


All of the above are the facts.  By the way, I just started a new job 4 weeks ago.  It required a Bachelor's degree.  I replaced my $80,000 + a year, without having to work a bunch of overtime.  The jobs are out there for the skilled work force, especially in the IT field.  I'm surprised anyone would think I'm an employee of Devry, since I'm not and have not recommended Devry in any of my postings.  This is my last posting.  It has been amusing.  Chill


Out of curosity, I will continue to ask employers will they hire Devry graduates.  If I find one that will not, I'll let you know!

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#116 Consumer Comment

SORRY - Still too good to be true

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

I appreciate your response and it is a fair question. Opinions? Not opinions. I know too many people who have gone to DeVry and found all of the promises total crap.

I have been pitched by many DeVry used car salesmen (and salesladies) aka Admission Advisors and I have also spoken to professional Admission Adisors for real colleges and universities. The difference is obvious.

And as I have said before, there are far too many DeVry employees jumping on this board pretending to be a "Happy DeVry graduate" and working for another company when in reality they may be DeVry graduates but working for DeVry,  usually on the sales team and scared to death that they may not make their quota and get their bump which by the way colleges and universities are not supposed to do. This  is why University of Phoenix and other for profit schools have come under scrutiny by the government including a SEC investigation. Even the Obama adminsitration has gotten involved. Expect alot more of that in the future. 

Once again, you have not provided any real proof. Everything you have stated is general information. So if I say I don't believe you it is only because I don't believe you. The burden of proof is on you.

At least we do agree that DeVry is not accepted like legitimate, traditonal colleges and universities are and these other schools are far less expensive as well as given higher consideration by employers.

I never said that no employers recognize DeVry. Some do. I don't know why, perhaps they just don't take the time to check things out. Most employers look at DeVry as a joke. Some will consider a DeVry grad if they have an undergraduate degree from a legitimate university.

I also have several freinds that are into recruiting for companies. The job market is tight right now. Even with a great personality, outstanding communication skills, a great resume and a degree, finding work for these people is tough.  There are way too many people unemployed for the jobs hat are avaialble. BUT...if it comes down to everything being equal and one has a degree from a traditional, respected University the other from DeVry, who do you think they will pick?

Again, the burden of proof is on you to proove that you are who you say you are. So far, you have proven nothing.

Good luck!

 

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#117 Consumer Comment

DeVry - Just too good to be true

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

In response to Christine from May 2005.

Your comments were from 2005 before the huge economic collapse. It is even more difficult today although you would  never know by the constant outrageus claims made by these DeVry used car salesmen aka Admissions Advisors.

To hear these guys when they call you, all it takes is desire, motivation and attitude (and the ability to pay the application fee or borrow it from a friend or a relative)

The facts are that no matter how great your resume is. No matter how bubbly and charismatic you are. No matter how great a communicator you are, there are very few jobs and way too many out of work people searching for jobs. If a recruiter has to pick between candidates, one has graduated from an established, traditional school or a school like DeVry which is suspect by many employers, who do you think they will pick?

I know many people who are in the field of recruiting for companies and the overwhelming comment that I hear is that most companies are not hiring right now. Even when they have strong candidates, these professional recruiters can't find work for them. The other major comment I  hear is that most companies are not interested in graduates from schools like DeVry and other for profit online schools.

Finally, beware of people claiming to be "happy DeVry graduates" and have secured high, nearly 6 figure incomes. These people are in denial and in most cases come on boards like these for entertainment and possibly therapy. They are here for the exercise of rebutting people even though they know very little about the subject matter. Claiming that everyone who tells the facts about DeVry is a "dropout who couldn't cut it" further validates that they are clueless.

The biggest complaints about DeVry are the grandiose claims regarding finding fat city with a degree from DeVry, the ease of finding work in an economy where in reality, there are few jobs, the inflated cost of their programs and  being hustled and harrassed by their "used care salesmen" aka Admissions Advisors who call 8 times a day, everyday even on weekends, send text messages and page you on your cell phone and spam you with endless emails.

These guys sound desperate and very unprofessional.

 

 

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#118 General Comment

Thank you.

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

Thank you, on the congratulations.  It is all true. 

I had to work my butt off to get through the Devry classes, so I, in my humble opinion, I wasn't given anything.  I earned my degree.  I guess one questionable thing, is the amount of time it took.  They are acclerated classes. 

Like I stated in an earlier posting, I would not recommend Devry, unless time is an issue and cost is not.  Why attend Devry, when there is some prejudice out there towards Devry along with the cost, which is high when compared to a state university. 

Devry isn't for everyone, but it is a legitimate option. 

I have one question for you, have you ever attended any Devry classes? If not, how do you arrive at your opinions?

 

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#119 Consumer Comment

Still Too Good to be true.....

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)




















Still Too Good to be true.....
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Well congratulations on your associates degree from a legitmate school, if indeed it is true. I am confused though. Nowhere did I belittle education. In fact, my complaint as well most if not all of the complaints are from people who are sold on education but the real complaints are the quality of DeVry and the unethical tactics by their used car salesmen aka Admissions Advisors. Not to mention the inflated claims of success.


One of the many outrageus claims by DeLie, er, I mean DeVry is that their career services dept has a data base of job opportunties that are available only to DeVry students. These jobs, if available can be found anywhere and typically they are looking for graduates, not currently in school students.


In todays economy, there are far more applicants than jobs available. And as stated before, only 20% or less of students who graduate find work in their chosen field. DeVry, or at least their used car salesman aka Admissions Advisors claims job placements of up to 97%. This even appears in their ads and on their website although it was recently revised and includes an asterisk.


Again, many employers do not and will not recognize DeVry or other for profit schools because they know they are a joke and the value of their education is suspect.


By their own admission, DeVry sells dreams. They oversell their product and rarely tell the facts. They make outlandish claims about income and growth potential but never talk about the graduate who can't find work or go into fields of self emplyment that are already saturated with people.


Let's also put to rest the claim that DeVry is better than traditional schools because they offer "application based" education rather than "theory based" education from traditional schools and universities.


Imagine this: a young person has just graduated from high school and recieves an offer from Yale to go to school. They have been accepted by Yale! But while they are resting in the glory the phone rings. It is a DeVry used car salesman, er, Admissions Advisor. He/she gives this young person his sales pitch. He neutralizes the student goes throught he motivation and interest part of the presentation and tells this young student that DeVry is different and better than traditional schools becuase of the "application based" b.s that they were taught in their sales ripoff classes.


So this young student thinks, "Why go to Yale and learn "theory" when I can go to DeVry and learn "application based" training. WOW! Give me a break! So what does Yale, Harvard and other schools even much smaller Universities offer? Just theory which doesn't work? C'mon!


And how about this crap that DeLie, er, DeVry offers market driven programs. What do other schools and universities offer, market dead programs?


And how about these endless calls and spam in our mailboxes? How about the T/O "Mr. Big" jumping on the phone to "close the deal" when the first pitchman can get the job done?


Or how about these ridiculous calls supposedly from the "Dept. of management" or whatever who calls you to "second voice" you because the first Admission Advisor couldn't close you. It is really the first guys drinking or go to lunch pal, not anybody from an official dept.


Comparing DeVry to a real University is like comparing swamp water to perrier!


I am all for education and I am also all against being hustled and then ripped off.  Real schools don't do this. And I am against people struggling getting sucked into a fantasy and then burdened with more debt than they can afford and still no job. Why do you think the Obama adminsitraion is looking in to these For Profit schools?


And if you are really not an employee for DeVry or a paid shill, why the concern? Once again, your claims and comments are just too good to be true.

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Well congratulations on your associates degree from a legitmate school, if indeed it is true. I am confused though. Nowhere did I belittle education. In fact, my complaint as well most if not all of the complaints are from people who are sold on education but the real complaints are the quality of DeVry and the unethical tactics by their used car salesmen aka Admissions Advisors. Not to mention the inflated claims of success.


One of the many outrageus claims by DeLie, er, I mean DeVry is that their career services dept has a data base of job opportunties that are available only to DeVry students. These jobs, if available can be found anywhere and typically they are looking for graduates, not currently in school students.


In todays economy, there are far more applicants than jobs available. And as stated before, only 20% or less of students who graduate find work in their chosen field. DeVry, or at least their used car salesman aka Admissions Advisors claims job placements of up to 97%. This even appears in their ads and on their website although it was recently revised and includes an asterisk.


Again, many employers do not and will not recognize DeVry or other for profit schools because they know they are a joke and the value of their education is suspect.


By their own admission, DeVry sells dreams. They oversell their product and rarely tell the facts. They make outlandish claims about income and growth potential but never talk about the graduate who can't find work or go into fields of self emplyment that are already saturated with people.


Let's also put to rest the claim that DeVry is better than traditional schools because they offer "application based" education rather than "theory based" education from traditional schools and universities.


Imagine this: a young person has just graduated from high school and recieves an offer from Yale to go to school. They have been accepted by Yale! But while they are resting in the glory the phone rings. It is a DeVry used car salesman, er, Admissions Advisor. He/she gives this young person his sales pitch. He neutralizes the student goes throught he motivation and interest part of the presentation and tells this young student that DeVry is different and better than traditional schools becuase of the "application based" b.s that they were taught in their sales ripoff classes.


So this young student thinks, "Why go to Yale and learn "theory" when I can go to DeVry and learn "application based" training. WOW! Give me a break! So what does Yale, Harvard and other schools even much smaller Universities offer? Just theory which doesn't work? C'mon!


And how about this crap that DeLie, er, DeVry offers market driven programs. What do other schools and universities offer, market dead programs?


And how about these endless calls and spam in our mailboxes? How about the T/O "Mr. Big" jumping on the phone to "close the deal" when the first pitchman can get the job done?


Or how about these ridiculous calls supposedly from the "Dept. of management" or whatever who calls you to "second voice" you because the first Admission Advisor couldn't close you. It is really the first guys drinking or go to lunch pal, not anybody from an official dept.


Comparing DeVry to a real University is like comparing swamp water to perrier!


I am all for education and I am also all against being hustled and then ripped off.  Real schools don't do this. And I am against people struggling getting sucked into a fantasy and then burdened with more debt than they can afford and still no job. Why do you think the Obama adminsitraion is looking in to these For Profit schools?


And if you are really not an employee for DeVry or a paid shill, why the concern? Once again, your claims and comments are just too good to be true.

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#120 General Comment

My statements are absolutely true.

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I guess I should be flattered that you have the audacity to doubt my veracity to authenticate, but I'm not.  Everything I stated is absolutely true.  I earned an Associates degree from a local community college, which took 4 1/2 years going part time.  I chose Devry because they enabled me to earn my degree in less than 18 months and I'm not getting any younger.  A degree shows you do have some work ethic, motivation and desire to better yourself.   However, I don't believe you or anyone else is hired because of a degree or certification.  Employers do need some way to weed out candidates.  Initially a potential employer will eliminate the candidates that do not have the required degree and or certifications.  Then there may be several more interview stages, the candidate will need to get through to land their dream job.   I'm sure there are some employers that will not consider Devry candidates, but I don't believe that is the norm.  Truth be known, they probably will not consider candidates for many other reasons.(Very unethical)  Bottom line is the degree may get your foot in the door, but its up to you to get through the interview process, and eventually get hired.  Most candidates go through 27 interviews before they land a job.  I have read many online postings that are belittling Devry, but I haven't seen a reason for this, except for the cost.  If you don't get your dream job, don't blame your education.  Persistence, persistence, persistence... 


Ideally we should strive for a college education, relative certifications and experience. 


Salle mae was used for my student loans.  Gov't approved accreditted college!  A Devry bachelor's degree is also accepted into a graduate program at ECU! 

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#121 Consumer Comment

Too good to be true!

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

Hey Chill,

If in fact you are in amanagement position and are makingin the low 80's and not reallya  DeVry employee or a paid shill hired to get us who tell the truth to chill, I applaud you. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't use your real name did not indicate the position you have or the company and obviously you would never show a copy of a pay stub as proof of income.

It's not that I don't believe you, just too many DeVry employees who "act as if" they were in high profile positions when in fact they may be in management positions at DeVry.

The truth of the matter is that nationwide across all schools and universities, only 20% or less of the students who graduate find work yet DeVry claims they have a 92% to 97% job placement rate with incomes starting at $45,000 which is total crap.

The other claims made by DeVry which I spoke of earlier is also crap.

As for companies embracing DeVry grads - Hmmm? How many companies want students who take open book tests and in some cases have other people taking their tests for them? Some companies have posted signs; "We do not accept graduates of DeVry or University of Phoenix" Perhaps you missed that.

DeVry also claims that their "success coaches" and professors have to get back to you within 24 hours or they will get fired. Again, total crap.

The fact is that DeVry is a glorified diploma mill. Most students drop out and those that do finish still can't find work and are out $35,000 to $65,000.

A friend of mine was considering the web graphics program from DeVry. I talked her out of it and she went on to enroll in a local community school which also has online programs for less than $6,000. DeVry's program was north of $35,000 for the same program! HELLO???

And so many of us are disgusted by the  incessant calls from DeVry's used car salesmen aka "Admission Advisors" who call all day long and even on weekends. Some call twice within 2 minutes. We know because we cal check the time/date on our caller ID's. You people sound desperate for business and very unprofessional. Perhaps too much pressure by the higher ups??

I am sure that DeVry has some value, but why pay premium prices for a low grade product. It would  be like buying a 10 year old used chevy and paying the same price as a new Lexus. But perhaps you think that is fair?

Appreciate your rebuttal but next time back it up with some real meat and facts. Perhaps you need to chill or maybe look for a J-O-B different than the J-O-B you have at DeLie err, I mean DeVry.

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#122 General Comment

A satisfied Devry graduate!!

AUTHOR: chill - (United States of America)

I am a graduate with a major in Technology Management.  My income for the past several years has been in the low 80's.  I have discussed with 2 directors from two seperate organizations the weight that a Devry degree carries for a potential candidate.  One director worked for a Community College and the other worked for a Hospital.  They both had the same opinion, which was a Devry degree would meet the requirements, however if two candidates were equally qualified, the candidate that graduated from a traditional college, would be considered over the candidate with a degree from Devry.  I, with a degree from Devry, have been accepted into a graduate's program, at East Carolina University.  To say the least, I'm very satisfied with my experience with Devry.  With that being said, I would recommend attending a state university, because of the cost of attending Devry and it doesn't quite carry the weight that a degree from a traditional university carries.  Unless of course, you are in a hurry to earn your degree, then Devry maybe your best choice.

Devry is a legitimate University, but it is expensive and doesn't carry the same weight of a traditional university.

Chill

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#123 Consumer Comment

Stay Away from DeVry

AUTHOR: Dannyd072009 - (United States of America)

I have to agree with Patrick and strongly disagree with Tia and the other DeVry employees who look at DeVry through rose colored glasses and either ignore and don't want to admit the many limitations and problems that confront DeVry.

 

Although the original complaint that I am responding to was back in 2004, very little if anything has changed with DeVry over the last 6 years. There are still a lot of internal problems. Bad professors.  Inept people in the financial aide dept and used car/snake oil salesmen aka Admission Advisors (AA's) in the recruiting dept.

Problems with DeVry start from the minute they get your information. You will be inundated with  as many as 8 calls per day  on both your regular phone and cell phones.  Sometimes you will get 2-3 calls within minutes. You will be paged and receive text messages. And then you will be spammed in your email.

They will give you this great sales pitch on how they are not an "open university" which is a pure lie. All you need is either a high school diploma or a GED and the application fee and they will at least take your application.

You will be through an interview which  usually lasts about 45 minutes to an hour and half this is supposedly to design the right program for you. In sales, this is called "neutralizing" the prospect and DeVry's used car salesmen know this very well. The fact is the AA's already know even before they call you what program they want you to enroll in. The whole interview is just a smokescreen.

And there are wild claims such as "DeVry has a 92%-97% job placement rate" which of course is total crap. Even in their ads, whenever placement is mentioned it is followed by an asterisk. Read the small print.

The AA's tell people that on average students find work within 6 months of graduation with starting salaries of $45,000 and up. Again, total crap.

BOILER ROOM

When you get a call from one of these AA's you may think that they are professional advisors calling you from a nice office. You expect them to be knowledgeable and place you in the right progams. Guess again! Let me describe the picture for you.

They are sitting in cubicles with about 75-150 other AA's with a manager or one of their other buddies ready to jump in and help them if they can't close you and get the application fee. If you have ever bought a car, you know the scenario. You want to wait and the salesman says he will be right back and of course he brings Mr. Big with him.

They will tell you that they get paid on salary and there is no commission for enrolling you which is partly true. What really happens is they start off on a base salary with incentives to be bumped up based on enrollments. It has been reported that some of these AA's get bumped from $28,000 to $85,000 within a year based on student enrollments. The government is looking into right now and some schools like University of Phoenix and others are under investigation by the SEC.  No wonder they try so hard to get you to enroll in their school!

Another issue is the followup. Once they get your app fee and you are set up and complete testing, you can't get a hold of these people. And when you call in, you get the runaround. It's like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It is very frustrating.

Getting back to Tia and the other DeVry emplyees that jumped on Patrick and others who are telling it as it is about DeVry, what would you expect? These people come from dubious sales background like selling time share, vacation packages, pennystocks, used cars and so on. Truth and integrity and not a part of their package. Just close, close, close and hold on to their J-O-B.

I am all for education. However, I suggest that anyone who truly wants a quality education, skip over DeVry and other similiar schools. Go to a local community college. You will pay about 1/3 less and have far less headaches. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with checking DeVry out, just don't fall for the hype by some self serving salesman who's title is Admissions Advisor.

 

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#124 Consumer Comment

To Mr. Ivy League

AUTHOR: Darien - (USA)

Wow, it's incredible how a person from an Ivy League can be so dumb.

I graduated from DeVry University in 2007 and I've never been discriminated because of my education. Without any research, you should not speak on something you do not know of.  It's like a five year old trying to be a physicist.

I am now making $70,000+ a year and I've been promoted to Electrical Engineer.  I don't know what are you talking about flipping burgers, maybe it's what you are doing now?

I graduated from high school the same time as my 2 friends.  I went to DeVry, my 2 friends went to a Public Ivy League (if you don't know, google "public ivy").   I graduated before both of them did.  I was a co-op and then got promoted after I graduated. My 2 friends also did a co-op, but only during the summer.  When they graduated, they can't find a job anywhere and are now working at a call center.  I'm not trying to say that DeVry is better, but I'm saying that education matters, no matter what school you go to.

DeVry is ABET accredited, and I took and passed National Engineering Exam (Fundamental of Engineering) the first try. I am now registered with the State as an Engineer Intern.  So by law, with education from DeVry and my certification, I am allowed to practice engineering and in several year I'll be a Professional Engineer.

See if you can do the same thing with a fine art degree from an Ivy League.
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#125 Consumer Comment

Yawn...

AUTHOR: DeVry is a joke - (United States of America)

Mr. Ivy League here again, responding to paid DeVry representative:

You're not doing a very good job of defending DeVry's reputation, or making a case for yourself using that 4-paragraph "essay" structure with crutch words of "first of all, secondly, thirdly, lastly...". And I don't equate posting comments online as academic papers, although that might have seemed like it to you. But then again, attacking your flaws is really detracting from the matter at hand - how DeVry's a joke - isn't it?

Nevertheless, I appreciate how amusing you are with your amateurish trolling, trying to focus on moot points like grammar and spellcheck, syntax and style, constructing strawman arguments, not to mention personal attacks. However, for your benefit, and more so for the benefit of the consumers who are not as likely to detect these things and get duped into paying their money to DeVry, let me clarify:

1) DeVry claims that it is a college, and to some technical extent, it is a college. However, it is not a college in the same sense as Amherst or Cooper Union or even Essex Community are colleges. Hence, it is both legitimate in some legal sense, but in terms of academia and practicality, it does not have the same benefits that an actual college would have - i.e. enhance your career prospects, challenge and expand your mind, etc. For one, having a degree from DeVry would most likely hurt your prospects, as most employers share the sentiment that it's a joke. Then again, you could very well make the argument that DeVry graduates are still able to find jobs... mostly folding shirts and flipping burgers. You see, not everything in the world is black or white, college or not college, as your simple-mindedness suggests. DeVry is a college in the most perverse and loose definition of college, in the same sense that a gargabe collector can be euphemistically called a "sanitation engineer" but is not an engineer.

2) DeVry would not save people money. DeVry costs less than some colleges, but in the same sense that a second-hand broken car costs less than a new car in working condition. Tuition for a "term" at DeVry is about $7000, just quickly checking their website for NJ figures. In-state tuition at Rutgers for a term is $5000, or if you're like me, you get paid $1000 or something extra. If you went to Cooper Union, your tuition is covered by the school. For Ivy League schools, their endowment is so large and they're very geared toward financial aid that they will cover most, if not all, of your tuition should you qualify. DeVry, however, takes advantage of government loans so they collect the money from you or, after you can't pay it because you can't find a job with your worthless DeVry degree, from the government. If DeVry seems like such a good "bang for your buck", it's because it says so on their advertisements. Hmm...

3) I am not suggesting for everyone to give up their family and their jobs to take years off to go to college, but warning that those who have family or financial obligations should not fall for DeVry's trap. A high school friend was actually considering going to DeVry because he's working full-time and has his own place. He went to an orientation, and he decided not to go to DeVry because it sounded like they were peddling used cars, not education (which, by the way, shouldn't be peddled). People take years out of their lives and up to hundreds of thousands of dollars for education because it's worth the investment. People who try to take the short cut or the easy way are easily lured by "good deals" like DeVry's "education." If they're going to throw down thousands of dollars and their free time down the drain to DeVry, they might as well take the plunge by aiming for a community college or something. And a lot of community colleges offer night-time and weekend classes as well so people can work, take care of the family, pay the bills, and go to college without having to go to DeVry.

4) Once again, you're misrepresenting the matter as some sort of all-or-nothing deal where people have to either go to school and give up everything, or work without  education, and that DeVry is the magic solution to all of their woes. It's entirely possible to both work and earn your degree and take care of the children and pay the bills simultaneously. People with Masters degrees and Ph.D.'s usually get them as they are also working, and often at the age where they have families. Some of the General Studies students from my classes are at the same time working, and this is the same case for a lot of grad and law students. You, and DeVry's marketing strategy in general, employs a series of generalizations and painting a context that suggests DeVry to be a "niche" (used as a buzzword for marketing spin here) service of some sort where very little is actually offered.

5) And you seem like a "professor" at DeVry. "In all of your incoherent, rambling, and mumbling rhetoric, I award you no points"? (By the way, I don't see how written text can be "mumbling".) "... no foundation of facts to support your conclusions"? "if you even presented this baseless information on a term paper"? I really don't see how that is at all relevant or fitting in this setting - you're not grading some fake paper, there is no "criteria" etc. I detect a lot of resentment in your tone of voice, almost like wistful whining concealed with a pasty layer of delusional and misdirected, for a lack of a more fitting term, bullshit. "if I were your employer"? The fact of the matter, by your very own admission, is that you're not an employer, and there are several pretty good reasons for that. And given the pretty vague and self-evident, if not almost circular, fluff you say to project the image that you know what you're talking about - "I would seek for... what you can bring to the table..." (well, duh). And you claim that you "own a very successful business", which is quite vague, and totally contrary to why you would be so dedicated to defend DeVry.

6) But beside all this farce you've managed to type up, the "conclusion" - that DeVry is a waste of people's money and time, doesn't provide the actual benefits of a real college, and is a predatory company profiteering from the hype of higher education - is back by several strong points. The amount of marketing and advertisements that DeVry has is obscene, and it isn't free. That would suggest that the money spent on marketing is not spent on education. Furthermore, the very fact that DeVry perceives the need to market means that there is a need for it to portray itself in a light different from its true identity - to fool consumers. US News college rankings ranks nearly all of the colleges in the country, from liberal arts colleges to national universities; from Princeton and Yale down to Sussex Community and such. Yet, DeVry remains unranked - either because Devry doesn't want to reveal their pitiful data, or because they is below even the lowest-ranked, ill-equipped school in the country. Finally, DeVry is a for-profit company publicly traded on the stock market. The priority of DeVry, then, would be to meet enrollment quotas and bring in money - by saying that their priority is education and their students.

A strong motive for your statements in defense of DeVry and also attempts to distract consumers by attacking me personally would be that you are a paid representative of DeVry whose interest is tied in with people falling for, and giving their money, to DeVry (and also, maybe because you're just a tad frustrated at your own life and projecting that hostility outward). My motive for this long tirade against DeVry is that I'm a bit sick of seeing their ads everywhere, my friend almost became a victim of DeVry, and I really can't stand for these for-profit "education" companies masquerading as colleges to prey on people's demand for education, exploiting the spirit and pursuit of higher education into a "niche market" while inflating the value of a college education by adulterating it with worthless "degrees", at the same time predating on the dreams and hopes of hardworking but uninformed American consumers. Shameful.

Also, you wanted "research"? For anyone who is reading this - don't take my opinion for fact, because I could be just as wrong as that junk postcard you got in the mail from DeVry. Just Google "DeVry" and see what results come up on the News search.

http://news.google.com/news?q=DeVry
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#126 Consumer Comment

Ivy League? I would have never thought...

AUTHOR: M. - (U.S.A.)

Dear Iggy League:


In a short response to your comment, I will say that I would have never thought that Ivy League schools embraced "s****. />

First of all, you addressed no factual data to support your claim and/or your opinions.


Secondly, if you went to such a school I would "think" that grammar and spell check would be necessary before posting such a ridiculous post. You definitely have no credibility.  Youre supposed Ivy League education has definitely failed you and what a waste of money that was (is). DeVry would have saved you a substantial amount of money based on my research in costs per credit hour. But let me guess, you are going to tell me that an education at DeVry is more expensive than attending MIT, U of C Berkeley, University of Cambridge, Stanford? lol Please...


Thirdly, throughout your posting you do nothing but contradict your opinions and comments i.e., DeVry is not a college, DeVry is a college, DeVry is not legitimate, make up your mind. Also, do some research. Any smart Ivy League student or student in general would definitely do their research.


Lastly, you suggest that someone that has a family just stop working for the time being in order to pursue a college education at a community college or better yet, attend a more reputable college compared to an online University? For even making such a suggestion, you should literally be shot. I don't know of any family in America that can just stop working in order to pursue their education. Bills will continue and people have to live. Even if that person filed bankruptcy, one must still work to survive. What an absolute ridiculous comment to make. How old are you? It's obvious that you are not paying for your education and have other external support to rely on. Cut the umbilical cord and grow up.


It is clear that you are ignorant, have no foundation of facts to support your conclusions, and you would be nothing but the focus of that Saturday Night Live skit within your class if you even presented this baseless information in a term paper. In all of your incoherent, rambling, and mumbling rhetoric, I award you no points.


GIVE ME A BREAK!


Now, to the rest of the people reading this post:


As I have stated to people before, do your OWN research. An education is an education based on these factors: What you are attending school for and the job outlook for your major, what you put into it and what you get out of it, and whether or not the University is regionally accredited. Online Universities have created a niche market, which is offering quality education for today's busy professionals and families. Many Universities are starting to follow suit with this alternative way of education. This is catering to the masses through the improvement and evolvement of technology, and not the far and few between that require the elite Universities. How else would anyone expect these online campuses to advertise? It really doesn't matter who your degree is from, unless you are seeking fellowship, a Nobel prize, or are studying subjects that are geared in research, theories, innovation to existing technologies and the like, by Universities such as MIT, U of C Berkeley, University of Cambridge, Stanford, etc.


If you wanted a law degree, would you seek the University that charged you the most money because of status?  Or would you seek the University that offered quality and best bang for your buck?  Because at the end, the University that charged you the most and the other University that charged you the least will still get you the same law degree!  You have to be realistic.  Not everyone qualifies to get a Harvard education.  Now, if you are looking to work for the most prestigious and elite law firm in the world who actively seek law graduates from Harvard or Yale, or want to get involved in politics, you better do what you can to get into that University.  However, these are the exceptions and these people are very far and few between.


And if I were your employer and you were an online graduate...I would seek for what you can offer my organization, what your background is, what you can bring to the table as far as creativity, experience, and your major in education being relevant to the position being offered.  I don't think any potential employer would care where you obtained your education from (and I own a very successful company); the only thing we would care about is what you know and what you can do to get the job done...PERIOD!


In conclusion I will say this much; I wish online Universities and distance learning was around when I went to school and I really envy the people that have the opportunity to take advantage of this, raise a family, and still hold a career. As I said before, I applaud ANYONE seeking an education no matter how they obtain it.


 


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I am a student of Columbia University in the City of New York. It is an Ivy League university and ranked 8 on the US News college rankings. So, when it comes to quality higher education, I'd like to think that I know a thing or two about what's good, and what's not. Most people don't have the academic credentials to get into an Ivy League institute like I do, but there are plenty of decent, legitimate colleges out there. Other private institutions like Vanderbilt or Syracuse, public and state schools like Rutgers or CUNY, even local and community colleges that offer an education to people seeking one. However, DeVry is not one such "college". I'll admit, I'm a bit s****.>

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#127 Consumer Comment

DeVry is a joke

AUTHOR: DeVry is a joke - (United States of America)

I am a student of Columbia University in the City of New York. It is an Ivy League university and ranked 8 on the US News college rankings. So, when it comes to quality higher education, I'd like to think that I know a thing or two about what's good, and what's not. Most people don't have the academic credentials to get into an Ivy League institute like I do, but there are plenty of decent, legitimate colleges out there. Other private institutions like Vanderbilt or Syracuse, public and state schools like Rutgers or CUNY, even local and community colleges that offer an education to people seeking one. However, DeVry is not one such "college".

I'll admit, I'm a bit s****.>
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#128 Consumer Suggestion

The Bottom Line

AUTHOR: Three Ways - (USA)

I was just reading this about Devry and I must say, this discussion is pointless. There are obviously people that have seriously been ripped off and Devry employees posing as graduates trying to wipe the mud off of the school name.

If you want to know if a degree is valid, if the school is accredited, get it straight from the horses mouth. Google "US Occupational Handbook" and once on the site, click the a-z index of occupations. Whatever occupation you are interested in from a food server to a histology technician is on this site. This is a GOVERNMENT produced publication and website that describes EVERY occupation in the U.S, earnings, education required, nature of work etc and most importantly: the association that accredits schools/universities to offer this degree.

For example if you are interested in being a Dental Hygienist, you can just go to the D's, scroll down to Dental Hygienist, click the link and skip straight down to the paragraph on education required. You will see that the American Dental Association is the ONLY body that can accredit Dental education programs to offer this degree making the graduate eligible to receive state licensure and sit in the national board dental hygiene exam. If the school you are considering isn't listed on the ADA website as having received accreditation from them then your course of action is evident - don't go to the school.

If you are interested in being an accountant but you see the school is not listed by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants as having a degree program acceptable to take their national exam for state licensure again . . . not a good school.

You get my point. I am so sorry that you all were ripped off. I will not be responding to any arguments about my post. I am a current student at Indiana University (great school btw) and have been suckered into a similar for-profit "educational" institution scam before too (The Art Institutes and South "University"), so I know how you feel. But now you have an official reference to check with if you are serious about higher education and picking a career. A mistake is only a mistake if you make it twice, right?
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#129 Consumer Comment

DeVry changes the rules mid-stream

AUTHOR: ChicagoGal - (United States of America)

I worked with a young woman who enrolled in DeVry to obtain a bachelor's degree in Accounting.  She was on the Deans list for most of her 4 years.  Her last semester prior to her graduating, she contacted student services to inquire about what she needed to do to prepare for graduation in May and she was told "Oh, you're not graduating in May.  You are missing some courses"  She was shocked and told them that she had completed all the requirements given to her when she started at DeVry 4 years ago.  They basically told her that they had recently changed the requirements.  She inquired as to how they could do such a thing and was told that the government had given Colleges and Universities carte blanche to change requirements whenever they wished.   And that is EXACTLY what they did.  On top of an already huge student loan, she had to take out an additional $5K or $6K to take 'Advanced Accounting" which previously had been a requisite for a Masters degree and ANOTHER  semester of English.  It seems that they never bothered to teach her 'business writing' in any of her other English classes she was required to take.  She did not fair as well in the Advanced Accounting class (which she should NOT have been required to take) and she lost her Dean's list standing. So all in all, the cash register at DeVry was busy ringing away!  It took her 4-1/2 years to get a bachelors degree in Accounting, and half the courses were B.S. courses that have nothing to do with Accounting.  And after graduation, she couldn't get a job paying more than $35K a year.  So much for DeVry's claims of accelerated learning and big pay promises!   DeVry had better wake up and change their requirements.  ALOT of local colleges are offering LIGITIMATE accelerated degree programs at a fraction of the cost that DeVry charges and at much lower financing rates too!
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#130 Consumer Comment

The WHOLE STORY!!!

AUTHOR: M. - (U.S.A.)

On DeVry's web site, they have a PDF document of Graduate Employment Statistics- devry.edu--> career Services--> employment statistics---> US Combined. The second page says "DeVry graduates begin their careers with top companies such as these.." Notice that companies listed include FedEx, Home Depot, Kelly Services (temp agency), Randstad (temp agency), Spherion (temp agency), Sprint Nextel (selling cell phones?), T-Mobile (selling cell phones?), Target (cashier?), UPS, Walgreens, and Wal-Mart. That's just sad. So I guess that means DeVry grads are only prepared to work as cashiers, package handlers, or cell phone sales reps. I guess it's good that the school is honest enough to display this information. So you can see that you will pay $40K for an education and then get out and make minimum wage or a little bit more. Way to go DeVry!

 

Back in my days of school, we used to refer to these stories as WHOLE stories.  Meaning, they were full of "holes" and we had to figure out what was missing based on abstract.  This person should look into the world of journalism, or even better, continue being "Peggy Sue, the neighborhood gossiper" who never succeeded in life.

With that in mind folks, just remember that just because someone works at Target, Walgreens, Home Depot, Best Buy, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc., doesn't mean that they have cash register jobs or promote and sell cell phones.  That is just ignorant in nature to even think that.  These people could very well be designing and implementing the company's Website, handle IT Systems Security, handling their CIS, have an executive position, etc. etc. etc.

In this person's case, she fails to indicate many other companies over and beyond Target, Sprint Nextel, and T-Mobile.  Others include:

Accenture
ACS
ADP
Aerotek
Alcatel-Lucent
Allstate
Applied Materials
Astro-Physics, Inc
AT&T
Avaya
Bank of America
Baxter Healthcare
Best Buy
Boeing
CAE SimuFlite
Canon Business Solutions
Cardinal Health
Cerner
Chicago Public Schools
Chicago Transit Authority
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Citibank
Comcast
CommVault Systems
Cox Communications
Department of Defense
FedEx
GE Healthcare
General Dynamics
Hewlett-Packard
Home Depot
Honeywell
Huntington National Bank
IBM
IDT Corporation
Intel
Internal Revenue Service
Johnson & Johnson
Johnson Controls
JPMorgan Chase
Kaiser Permanente
Kelly Services
Lockheed Martin
McKesson
Motorola
Nationwide Insurance
Northrop Grumman
Perot Systems
Qwest Communications International Inc.
Randstad
Rockwell Collins
Saber Corp.
Schlumberger
Siemens Social
Service Coordinators, Inc.
Spherion
Sprint Nextel
State Street Corporation
Target Corporation
Teksystems
Time Warner
T-Mobile
United States Postal Service
University of Chicago
UPS
U.S. Bank
U.S. Cellular
Varian, Inc.
Verizon Wireless
Vonage
Walgreens
Wal-Mart
Wells Fargo

 

Did you notice Boeing?  IBM?  Lockheed Martin?  I know, I know...you are thinking that DeVry graduates are selling Defense equipment to the U.S. Government and other allies, while ringing that IBM cash register with each sale, and at the same time talking to Peggy Sue about what "she think happened" when the police arrived at the next door neighbor's house.

Do your OWN research!

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#131 Consumer Comment

And one FINAL note:

AUTHOR: M. - (U.S.A.)

Some people do well with distance learning and many do not.  Most people need to attend a community college and/or brick and mortar school because they can't learn otherwise.  Furthermore, brick and mortar schools also offer a lot of "hand holding" compared to a distance learning program.

If you are persistant, dedicated, self-disciplined, work well with a computer, and learn more efficiently doing work on your own (compared to listening to a lecture and falling asleep), then distance learning is the way to go.

However, if you need that traditional school atmosphere, with a professor lecturing in front of the class, the camaraderie of fellow students, hand holding, you will fail with ANY University offering distance learning.

Distance Learning is NOT for everyone.  And for those that can do it, I applaud you!!!

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#132 Consumer Comment

Are you an IDIOT?

AUTHOR: M. - (U.S.A.)

I go to a real college st louis community college) and we get people from Devry all the time, there credits do NOT transfer, and corporations have blacklisted them just as they have other schools like university of phoenix(used to sell mail order degrees in the 90's), sanford brown, allied medical college, all which employers refuse to hire students from these fake schools! thats what they are, FAKE! m not telling anyone not to go to those schools, just be aware, no one will hire you if you do. real colleges dont advertise on infomercials in the middle of the night.

 

To the extremely intellectual person that wrote this comment (and I'm being EXTREMELY facetious here), are you really an IDIOT?

First of all, University of Phoenix NEVER sold mail order degrees.  And are you insinuating that these other schools are affiliated with U of P?  You better be very careful with what you say, because a legal team from U of P could come after you and file a defamation suit so fast, it will make that community college brain of yours liquify.

And in closing, community colleges are actually a joke.  In Michigan, the biggest community college is Oakland Community College (OCC) and they are referred to by many as "Only Chance College."

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#133 Consumer Suggestion

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AUTHOR: M. - (U.S.A.)

Notice the title everyone.  This is NOT rocket science and I'm not a DeVry student, but know many who were.  Everyone of them is a responsible tax paying member of society and do very well in their field(s).

I am going to give everyone here some constructive criticism (directed more toward the nay-sayers) and to all others, a piece of very valuable information.  Open a new browser and do the following:

1.  Go to Geteducated.com

2.  One there, simply hover your mouse over the tab (towards the top) named "Diploma Mill Police"

3.  On the sub tab that appears, click on "Search Diploma Mills"

4.  Scroll down (about 5 mouse wheel clicks) until you see a section named "View accrediation reports" and select the college from the list.  In this case, select DeVry.  I do believe every online college is listed.

5.  In order to see the report, you will need to fill in your first name, last name, email address, state, country and then select a category that best describes you.  After that, indicate whether you are an active member of the military, then click the check box accepting the terms and conditions.

   Sidenote: I only indicated the first initial of my first and last name, and made up an email address.  Just don't be TOO obvious about the made up email addy.

Now, what did your report tell you?

It should have looked something like this:

Devry University (IL) College State: Illinois
College Website URL: http://www.devry.edu

Institution Accreditation Status This college IS ACCREDITED by an agency recognized by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation or the US Department of Education. This college IS ACCREDITED BY: REGIONALLY ACCREDITED (the highest form of college accreditation USA). What does REGIONALLY ACCREDITED mean? When employers ask if you have an "accredited" degree they commonly mean a "regionally accredited" degree. Regionally accredited degrees enjoy wide acceptance for employment purposes and for transfer credit purposes nationwide in the USA. Most state colleges and name brand universities, such as Harvard, Stanford, and Michigan State University are REGIONALLY ACCREDITED. The majority of distance education colleges are also regionally accredited.

State Consumer Warnings:
We have NO State Consumer Warnings on file for this college.

General Consumer Warnings:
We have NO Consumer Warnings on file for this college.

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Special Notes & Alerts:
We have NO Special Notes on file for this college.

Now that you are logged on, do some more searches.  This time, enter Everest.  Wait until you see the report on this place.

All I can say is that University of Phoenix (my father taught there and had nothing but good things to say about them), and DeVry have a good reputation as far as accreditation and no state consumer warnings.  Additionally, these two Universities have been in business for a considerable length of time.  Don't you think by now that something would have sparked the interest of a state attorney general, or even possibly a state representative?!

Do your own research and make your own well informed decision.  I can tell you this much, a degree from DeVry or University of Phoenix is worth every penny you paid for it.  But it's only worth the piece of paper it's printed on, unless you to use it to your advantage and devote yourself in finding the job of your dreams.

Cordially,
R.H.

(And I'm not a spokesperson, affiliate, employee, or in any way shape or form have an interest in DeVry University, DeVry, Inc., or any other name they may be doing business under.)

P.S.  And as far as the stand up comic that used DeVry in his routine?  I also attended a comedy place where a comedian used University of Michigan AND Michigan State University.  And because of that, now I belive that U of M and MSU are also SCAMS!  And if you believe me, you are as dumb as everyone knows you are!

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#134 Consumer Comment

Regarding placement

AUTHOR: Jane - (U.S.A.)

On DeVry's web site, they have a PDF document of Graduate Employment Statistics- devry.edu--> career Services--> employment statistics---> US Combined. The second page says "DeVry graduates begin their careers with top companies such as these.." Notice that companies listed include FedEx, Home Depot, Kelly Services (temp agency), Randstad (temp agency), Spherion (temp agency), Sprint Nextel (selling cell phones?), T-Mobile (selling cell phones?), Target (cashier?), UPS, Walgreens, and Wal-Mart. That's just sad. So I guess that means DeVry grads are only prepared to work as cashiers, package handlers, or cell phone sales reps. I guess it's good that the school is honest enough to display this information. So you can see that you will pay $40K for an education and then get out and make minimum wage or a little bit more. Way to go DeVry!
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#135 Consumer Comment

You get out what you put in

AUTHOR: The Truth - (United States of America)

Well, I am a student of DeVry in the CIS track and have had a couple of complaints but none to do with my quality of education. I also work at Intel Corp and have for over 14 years. Intel recognizes and will pay for any of the technical courses that are accredited by the ABET and hire people with DeVry's degrees. I have heard that Intel no longer excepts degrees from University of Phoenix due to the quality of the education.

I am about 18 months from graduation and have enjoyed the level of education, instructor help and quality of learning I have received from DeVry. All of my CIS instructors are professionals in the field, not professional educators. My CIS instructors have been the CIO of City of Phoenix, lead Programmers in the community and an IT VP for a large company in the valley. They bring real world examples, current information and great experience. When I attended ASU my professors were teachers and hadn't worked in their fields, other than research, in years.

As far as the loan stuff... TIA, if you default on any student loan at any college the government is going to come after you because it is THE GOVERNMENT that loaned you the money. DUH!

The quality of any education is up to the student. I read every chapter, do all my home work, and get a lot from the classes. I could do the minimum and ride the wave of mediocracy to graduation. It's really up to the student.

 

You get out what you put in.

And that's the Truth.

 

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#136 Consumer Comment

Devry is worthless!!!!

AUTHOR: Djdaniel150 - (U.S.A.)

I go to a real college st louis community college) and we get people from Devry all the time, there credits do NOT transfer, and corporations have blacklisted them just as they have other schools like university of phoenix(used to sell mail order degrees in the 90's),
sanford brown, allied medical college, all which employers refuse to hire students from these fake schools! thats what they are, FAKE! m not telling anyone not to go to those schools, just be aware, no one will hire you if you do. real colleges dont advertise on infomercials in the middle of the night.
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#137

DeVry is largely worthless

AUTHOR: Quincy - (USA)

I earned my degree from DeVry in CIS a little less than ten years ago.  The program is overpriced and the quality of the education is low.  I went because they offered me a scholarship and I figured that it doesn't matter where I get my degree, if I learn what they teach I'll be set.  Unfortunately, attending was a huge mistake.  The curriculum was so watered-down and easy it was unbelievable.  The people going through the program seemed resistant to studying the concepts on their spare time and brought the pace of the courses to a crawl.

For example, in my first semester of C++ we learned the basics of the language, such as loops, arrays, functions, etc.  The second semester we covered object-oriented programming.  So far, so good.  What happened was that 75% of the students barely learned the material the first semester and forgot it over the break.  When the second semester began, they all began to whine about how much they forgot and we spent two weeks reviewing.  After that, I don't know whether the professor didn't know object-oriented programming or was just extremely lazy, but the assignments were far too easy.  Literally, you could do a copy and paste and then a search and replace and you'd be done with the assignment.  I wish I were making this up but I'm not.  That's what I was paying for.  Needless to say, I didn't learn anything about C++ that semester through that class, although I did study it on my own.  There was one professor there who pushed the students to learn and it's a shame I never had the chance to take his class.  He eventually got frustrated with the students and administration and quit.

Granted, not all the students were slackers.  About half the students were over 30 and had a family and a job while pursuing their education.  I congratulate them but I question what they really learned and whether it was worth it.  Most students there were simply buying an expensive piece of paper that had both their name and BS on it.  Some students were genuinely talented and found good jobs when they graduated.  I would argue, however, that they would have found good jobs no matter what school they went to and that DeVry simply held them back.  We didn't even have a course on data structures or algorithms.  What kind of programming do they think we'll be doing when we graduate?  We had about six semesters of learning how to program in different languages, but not one on data structures.  This is, in my opinion, the most egregious deficiency in the curriculum. 

It is true, as someone else here pointed out, that there is a very high attrition rate in the first few semesters.  These were all people who simply shouldn't have gone on to college or who needed to work out personal issues first.  As for the job placement when you graduate, it is a joke.  When I graduated the two main jobs that were offered to us through the career center were a QA testing job and a job teaching English in Korea.  Luckily I found a low-paying position as a software engineer and have been able to steadily move myself up the food chain.  A couple years after I graduated I went back to the career center, since they offer something like lifetime career help, and it was a waste of my time.

To anyone contemplating studying at DeVry, I would advise them to reconsider.  The program is so amazingly expensive that the price simply cannot be justified.  I was paying off their loans for years after and this is with finding a job in my field.  You'd be much better off going to a small no-name state school and getting a BS and saving your money.  I wish I had taken that path.  Some people on here have posted their outrageously high salaries after going to DeVry.  If these are true, it astounds me and I would have a very hard time believing that the quality of the DeVry education had anything to do with that.

Finally, what is the value of the DeVry degree to employers?  In my experience, zero.  I only know one person who valued it and he didn't have a degree.  I eventually went back to school and earned a master's degree in computer science.  Once I did that, I still wasn't getting many responses when I submitted my resume to companies.  After I took off DeVry, though, I was hearing back from companies.
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#138 Consumer Suggestion

lazy fools that dont want to work!

AUTHOR: Djdaniel150 - (U.S.A.)

theres no MBA in 10 months you morons! No one will give you a job with degrees from devry or sanford brown. theyre junk at best! Infact they are not recognized by any state or federal institutions as being an educational degree! Corporations have black listed schools like sanford brown and devry! you will never get a job with these diploma mills! i hope you lazy hoosiers end up in seious debt and homeless, because thats what u deserve. I go to a real college and work for my degree! not sit around and count on my fingers like you idiots and then expect a degree and a salary. the truth is, the losers that go to these schools, are probably just as worthless as the " wannabe certifications"that they will obtain. I hope the government one day will put a stop to people who abuse the system, thankgod atleast employers know theyre fake!
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#139 Consumer Comment

So far so good

AUTHOR: Justin H - (U.S.A.)

I have been attending Devry for about 9 months. So far I have learned a ton of great skills that will be useful to me in my future career. Devry has been a great opportunity for me because I can honestly ask my friends how much they think they have learned at their colleges and they always say either a little or nothing. Devry is not a hold your hand and dance around singing school. They give you the books, the qualified instructors, and an entire class of people to talk to if you need help. If you put in the effort to learn the skills being provided you will be incredibly satisfied with Devry. If you want to just get a degree and get a job without trying, go find somewhere else cause this school will not help you.

Devry has been very helpful to me when it came to setting up classes or dealing with financial issues. I have several people from the school who call me to check up on me, to see what classes I want to take, or to help me deal with any problems that came up. When I first started here I was nervous and thought it was a big scam because of what a few disgruntled students said. After a few months my fears were gone and I am excelling in my classes. I run between a 3.5 - 3.8 GPA so far and my life is going great. I talked with several companies I was interested in working with about what skills I would need and what kind of degree was needed and if Devry was an acceptable school. I was met with the same response, "It doesn't matter where you got your degree, it's how much you learned and if you have put in the effort to learn the requirements you have a great shot at getting hired."
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#140 Consumer Comment

DeVry is a very good for profit school

AUTHOR: Mkdenver1 - (U.S.A.)

Has anyone else noticed the extreme lack of complaints about DeVry on this website? There are, I believe 31 reports as compared to the HUNDREDS filed by people who got ripped off by places like Westood and Univeristy of Phoenix. That has to tell you something right there.

I am a current student at DeVry and projected to graduate by the end of 2009. I have been attending here for most of the past 2 years. I attended Westwood prior to DeVry when working for Westwood Online. I still hated it and had to fake my way through that job just to keep a paycheck coming. But that's a whole different report on this website, which you can also find by searching Westwood College.

Anyway, I have not had a single bad experience with any of the administrative folks or any of my instructors here at DeVry. Of course, financial aid got a little confusing, but we're able to smooth things out so it's not as rough. My Academic Advisor is amazing and I don't even have to give my student number to her she knows who I am, even if I go for months without talking to her.

Because this is a technical school, it is a bit more expensive. But, there's that saying "you get what you pay for." Only exceptions to that are University of Phoenix and Westwood. They may be even more expensive than DeVry and think they are high quality, but they're the exact opposite.

So if you have a problem with DeVry, talk to whoever you have the problem with directly and odds are you will be satisfied in no time.
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#141 Consumer Comment

THANK YOU CHRIS!

AUTHOR: Stephanie - (U.S.A.)

I agree wholeheartedly...

It hardly matters *where* you go to school--give me a break. Either you meet the standards or you don't.
Either you can sell yourself in these interviews or you can't. Either you're a competetant and capable professional or you're not.

I'm attending Devry at this moment. I'm only using the credits to transfer to a 4-year university so I won't be at the institution long.
However...I have no real issue with the school. Well, financial aid is a minor issue...but hell--most financial aid depts are a hassle. (laugh) You're seriously misguided f you think that no one is complaining about your average brick n mortar schools. There's a cite where you rate colleges/universities and ppl are on there whining about the culture, the students and the ineptitude of the instructors...

...and on this subject, I know plenty of ppl who graduated from regular schools who are beyond simple! I see no reason to act as if Devry students hold the monopoly on stupidity. Furthermore, Devry does have transferrable credits, so...how is this institution NOT a 'real school'?

But I digress...
IMO, if you have the right attitude and level of motivation than NOTHING is going to stop you from success. All of this whining and complaining...
On one end, I understand. Some of it is reasonable but--on the other end...I just don't get it.

The way I see it, it is up to the *student* to do their homework BEFOREHAND and see which (if any) credits are transferrable. It's called a 'Matriculation Agreement', guys...every institution has one. It is up to the *student* to plan their career path--to contemplate the pros and cons of their choices and act in their own best interests.
Ultimately, it is up to the *student* to make it or break it.

I know folks who are making great money and don't have 'degrees'...and that sure as heck isn't easy. So, it's hard for me to believe that an individual with a Batchelor's degree can't do anything with it. That's ridiculous...
But these are self-starting individuals and that's just a testament to what a little hard work and determination will do for you.

FYI: Just because you're a 'Devry student' doesn't mean that you *can't* apply for an internship...
Also, there's something to be said for a nontraditional student who can balance work, school and familial obligations. There's something to be said about a person who works and attends school full-time. Plenty more to be said for an individual who does so while *successfully* completing an online degree...

Commitment, focus and dedication are a few attributes that come to mind.
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#142 Consumer Comment

Job Placement Assistace does not excuse the person

AUTHOR: Chrisj979 - (U.S.A.)

I noticed Christine mentioned that their friend graduated from Devry and ended up being a stock clerk then a customer service rep for American Express. I know it is an old post but i will comment on it anyway. I am not a student of Devry nor do I have any affiliation with Devry. But i do know someone who went to ITT and ended up in a similar situation that was described by Christine. He went to ITT and graduated with an Associate's Degree, got a job making about $15hr, back in 1998. Well I only graduated high school and I was making $55k before he graduated from ITT. The reason was not the school but his motivation level to get things done on his own. I have always been the no one is going to do it for me type. When they say job placement assistance TOO MANY PEOPLE think that means I go there and they put me in a job, no interview, no test, no anything. That is TOTALY UNTRUE, which was this guys problem, he thought job placement assistance meant they will just walk up to him one day and say go to work. That's why today I have a 6 figure salary and he is at $55k. You have to know how to intervew, know how to put together a NICE resume, good communication skills, etc., etc. Ambition makes all the difference, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH SCHOOL YOU GO TO, if you are not ambitious you will end up a stock clerk or a sales rep with a Bachelors Degree. Plan and simple.
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#143 Consumer Comment

I love Devry!

AUTHOR: Leeanne - (U.S.A.)

I attend DeVry in Alpharetta, GA and am currently about to finish my degree in CIS.
While it does cost more than going to a public university, for me the money is worth it. The classes are extremely small, and anytime you have a question for the professors, it gets answered. They genuinely seem to care about you and are more than willing to take extra time to help, if you don't understand something. In my experience at the beginning of the course, almost every Professor has given their personal mobile numbers out to the entire class, and asked everyone to call if they have any questions about assignments. It might sound unbelievable, but it's not. I can't speak for the other campuses but the one in Alpharetta is phenomenal. I think most of the bad publicity comes from students who are uneducated in student finance and think that everything should be done for them. Also most of what you hear is usually not from someone who has actually graduated from DeVry. They are likely disgruntled people who didn't follow the standard processes for financial aid and therefore created problems for themselves.
The only problem I have with DeVry is that they need to stop accepting just anybody, and really screen their students better. I feel that people that don't get degrees because they can't handle the work load are giving DeVry a bad name, and that the people that do the work have to suffer. Although DeVry accepts everyone, they do not pass everyone. The degrees are earned and students that apply themselves learn!!
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#144 Consumer Suggestion

This school is not a scam, the SEC and Department of Education prove it.

AUTHOR: Sfbmod - (U.S.A.)

I'm shocked at the level of unprofessional and false slandor against this fine school. You cannot maintain a Higher Learning Commission accreditation through the Department of Education if you constantly scam or rip off students. And I went to the Securities Exchange Commission website and did a history search on DeVry's legal actions. Every single lawsuit that's been filed against DeVry has either been dismissed out of court or settled prior too. There have been a few class action lawsuits filed against DeVry already as well, and so far all of them have been left unanswered and unfulfilled. This can only mean that there are illegal harrasers making false claims and accusations. Or perhaps just extremely incompetent people who can't seem to make important life affecting decisions without having a parent nearby.

I'm often left wondering if a lot of the negativity against this regionally accredited school that was just recently awarded the internationally acclaimed PMI GAC accreditation, comes from paid harrasers from competing private or even public schools. DeVry's claim of 90% of it's students starting the career of their choice within 6 months of their graduation over the last 10 years is enough alone to sue them for false advertising. If in fact it were false advertising. DeVry's extreme success seems to prove the contrary.
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#145 Consumer Comment

Tia is right and many seem uninformed

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

1. Tia was merely stating facts, the individual after her was the one who sounded like a child trying to pick a fight.
2. Anyone can file a lawsuit, it doesn't mean the defendant is guilty. Please remember we are in America-not England: "Innocent until Proven Guilty".
3. I did a lot of research before attending DeVry, and it has never had any issues or violations to It's accreditation. If the statements you are making were valid, that would not be the case.
4. I know several graduates from DeVry and most of them are making 6 figure salaries.
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#146 Consumer Comment

DeVry provides a great education!

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

I am finishing my degree at DeVry University and I have several friends that already have. Most of them makes 6 figure salaries and the lowest salary out of all of them is close to 70K. A friend of mine used to recruit employees for Intel and he would specifically seek out DeVry graduates over any other school. I am sorry things are not going well for you, but you gave no specifics as to why you feel DeVry did not provide you with a good education. If you truly felt that way, I doubt you would have finished your entire degree with DeVry. My professors all work in the field they are teaching in and provide me with a lot of personal attention. I am surprised by your posting. It seems you are being more emotional than logical.
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#147 Consumer Comment

Reputation Problem

AUTHOR: Taylor - (U.S.A.)

While the charges that DeVry is a diploma mill are obviouly false, there is no getting around the fact that DeVry has somehow gotten a bad REPUTATION as an easy way to get a college degree. Whether that reputation is deserved or not, it still exists.

I do have one question... Why So many complaints? There are so many complaints about DeVry on ripoffreport.com that I can't even count them. I went to a smaller privately owned online university that probably enrolls 5 percent of the number of students that DeVry does but there is not even one single complaint about the institution on this website. I know it sounds trite, but usually where there is smoke there is some fire.

Getting back to the reputation, I recently heard a comedian on a national TV program do a bit in which he said something on the order of "When I was a kid, I was so dumb, my parents sent me to DeVry Elementary."

When a university gets such a bad reputation that it becomes fodder for nightclub comics, it certainly might make some people question whether they would want a degree from the institution.

I guess the biggest exception is certain campuses which taylor their content to produce ready employees for certain large local corporations. The companies hire the graduates because they know that they have been trained with exactly the skills that they need. Once the graduate/employee has that experience, their future hirings are much more dependent on previous experience and referrals than on what college the person went to.

Before enrolling, a potential student really needs to get a feel for how well the Devry degree is going to be accepted in the particular field, and in the particular local area in which the person intends to work.

I did not attend DeVry, and I am not passing any judgments on the university, but I am just pointing out that, like it or not, their degrees have become associated in some minds with a low quality education, and this may be a problem in some fields, but perhaps not in others. It is incumbent on the student to determine for him/herself whether DeVry is suitable for their needs.

The financial complaints are another issue. I have no personal experience, so I leave it to others to argue that out. My grandmother left me some money, so I was able to select almost any college I wanted, without any loans, but I bypassed DeVry based solely on the reputation issue.
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#148 Consumer Comment

Devry

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Okay, so I look at my mail and its Devry.

One of the reasons I couldn't is b/c I am paying a credit counseling service for 3 cards. That means I can't get a loan even if I wanted to.

Its a sales pitch, thats it.

Now about 1 posting that you, your wife, and another relative did get something out of it. How long did it take and are you still employed to what company you were referred to?

Once you sign the contract your money is theirs.

I am not even going to waste my time on this. The economic situation that this country is in.

I have a better shot of talking to anyone that does this for a living and finding out
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#149 Consumer Suggestion

Devry was the best choice I ever made

AUTHOR: Terrance - (U.S.A.)

I attended Devry in Phoenix from July 1982 to February 1985, earning a bachelor's degree in CIS. I couldn't be happier with the education I got. The large aerospace company that hired me also hired 10 other people from my class. The liked Devry graduates because they had the training that allowed them to hit the ground running.

I can't speak for every Devry campus, but I'd find it hard to believe that it's a "scam" anywhere. Everyone I knew was placed by Devry after we graduated. I know several of us who now make over $200K per year.
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#150 UPDATE Employee

The reason we call

AUTHOR: Redbirdwarrior - (U.S.A.)

I work with the admissions department at DeVry Online. My job is to call people that request information from our school and deliver it. Yes, it is true that part of my job is to enroll students into DeVry, but the major part of why we call is the judge quality in a student. For every applicant I have, I have 4 people I turn away because they simply aren't college material.

We are accreditted by the NCA and have one of the highest career placement rates of any school in the country (92.35% of our graduates find work in their field within 6 months). Compare that to Ohio State (66.75%) or any other state school. DeVry makes money off of the fact that you, as a graduate, gets employed. What you do when you graduate college is really up to you. We will provide the names of companies that are looking for DeVry grads. We will get you on an interview with those companies, but if you bomb the interview, you won't get hired.

My brother went to Marquette University. The cost including housing was %45,000 per year (X 4 = $180,000). The total cost of DeVry Online's most expensive degree (EET) is alittle under $78,000. We save many students the better part of 50-100,000 thousand dollars for a regionally accredited degree.

Cyrus and others, I'm sorry you have had a poor experience with our product, but you have no grounds for any lawsuit or to even go so far as to call our school a "Scam".
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#151 Consumer Comment

Degree is not Worthless

AUTHOR: Don - (U.S.A.)

After an illness, I had the opportunity to attend Devry University Online. My goal was to continue my education while I recuperated. While the cost is very expensive, the online classes are comprable to college courses. The instruction was adequate, and the material was challenging. The degree has merit, and the credits will transfer. I am a graduate from Marshall University, and I can report that all of my credits from Devry applied toward my current degree.

Devry is an option for some individuals; however, my intention was to never graduate from there. I simply needed to gain some credits during an illness. Devry filled this void. Unfortunately, the corporate world views online education with a biased slant. Perhaps, this is because of these types of posts. College lays the foundation for critical thinking skills: my advice apply a little of that effort prior to attending.
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#152 UPDATE EX-employee responds

DeVry is extremely sales based when it comes to recruitment

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

I am a former Devry/Bell & Howell sales representative, (Recruiter). When I was employed by DeVry, some twenty years ago, my primary responsibility was to recruit a minimum of three potential students per week to attend any one of the DeVry campuses. I attended an intense, two week training seminar near Chicago where I learned all aspects of the DeVry college system and all pertinent marketing techniques necessary to enroll as many qualified students as possible.

The DeVry recruiter cultivates his/her student lead base by getting the permission of educators to deliver in class presentations about careers in technology to high school juniors and seniors. After a slide and film presentation, the student audience is asked to fill out a comment card. The comment cards give the recruiter a good idea of which students should be contacted to arrange an in home presentation. If the student has the potential and the parents have a check or credit card to pay for the application than, the student is enrolled. However, the student must either have the appropriate GPA or have success in passing an entrance exam in order to be officially enrolled. Therefore, DeVry doesn't allow just any student to enroll for classes. A candidate for DeVry school admissions must meet minimum qualifications for enrollment. Schools are graded for accredidation just like students are for potential graduation. No college system wants high dissenrollment statistics so, the potential DeVry student must have what it takes in order survive or excell within the curriculum. Good students are almost always placed with good companies and with very respectable starting salaries. DeVry has always prided themselves with high career placement statistics.

I worked for DeVry as a student recruiter for some seven years. It was a "heart attack" job. The hours and travel were grueling. An average day started at 5:00 am and didn't end until after 11:00 at night. If you weren't driving to the next school or home presentation than you were constantly on the phone either attempting to recruit a student or talking to a concerned parent of a student that was previously enrolled. A recruiter is under constant pressure to make the required enrollment numbers or else. It didn't matter what time of the year it was either. Even if it was Christmas or Easter time, the recruiter had better have their repective enrollment numbers ..It was brutal....

In summation, Devry has a good reputation for placing their graduates with some top notch companies but have a hard time keeping recruiters.. DeVry recruiters sacrifice their social and family life for the benefit of the enrollment quotas..The job was down right madness!
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#153 Consumer Comment

Devry Graduate

AUTHOR: Mandogon - (U.S.A.)

Ok i recently graduated from Devry and before my graduation i got a job interview and landed the job so now im working in the field so i can say that the degree worked for me. But now my concern is that after reading and listening to people talk so badly about this school/company i am questioning if the degree is really worth anything at all. For example if i were to apply at a Cal State school for a masters program will they take my previous education seriously or just throw my application away and as for looking for a job in another company would that company frown upon the education i received or would it be accepted. IBM for example has stopped taken applicants from Devy how many other big companies would follow suite after that. so should Devry be something to frown upon or not? Like i said in the beginning it worked for me but don't know if it will work for me again in the future when looking for another job
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#154 Consumer Comment

DeVry Provides a Good Career Path

AUTHOR: Gadgetwiz - (U.S.A.)

I graduated from DeVry in 1991 and have been involved in the technology industry ever since. I have worked with numerous engineering professionals from DeVry and other Universities and DeVry is generally considered to provide a quality education.

If it were not for DeVry, I would still be working construction. With DeVry, I have worked at numerous leading edge organizations (S3, Qualcomm, Silicon Graphics, GoDaddy). I've even turned down a job at Google. Is DeVry is expensive? Yes. Do they accept students more easily than many other universities? Yes. Do they provide a quality education? Absolutely!

Every person I am still in contact with from DeVry has gone onto a very successful career. The problem most people have with DeVry is that they are not up to the curriculum, which can be very difficult. They drop out early and are stuck with no degree and expensive student loans. When a resume crosses my desk with a list of unfinished colleges, I hardly ever take a second look. It doesn't matter if the resume mentions MIT or ASU; when people can't finish what they start, they generally do not do well in any field.
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#155 Consumer Comment

no interest??? HA!

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

Explain why DeVry collects finance charges on each and every student account then? I was charged $100 on my September DeVry bill, and all because my financial aid has not been disbursed 12 weeks into the semester. Supposedly DeVry does not deal with the Federal Direct Loan Program...hmm, doesn't sound like a very upstanding university to me. I've got enough financial aid to more than cover my bill, yet they're dragging their feet because of problems on THEIR end. I have done everything they've asked with ZERO results. I've invested over $50,000 in my education with DeVry and I regret every last minute of it because of their unwillingness to cooperate. Seems to me like they are only concerned with their bottom line and not the main point of a university - the education of students.

I think that the responses of the employees need to be taken with a grain of salt. I've been a student at DeVry since 2005. I've maintained a 3.0 GPA and I've got 4 weeks to go until I complete my last courses, and they've been jerking me around for weeks because the financial aid department is too dense to process information in a timely manner. I'll be lucky to get my degree on time so that I have a job to pay for all of my loans.
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#156 UPDATE Employee

DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

AUTHOR: Dvinsider - (U.S.A.)

It would seem you are confused. DeVry University has the highest academic accreditation possible. The same as Havard or Yale.
You write a lot, but don't say much. Do you have a lawsuit pending?
DeVry does not make loans. The government and private lenders do, but DeVry is not a lender. DeVry makes no "interest".
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#157 UPDATE Employee

DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

AUTHOR: Dvinsider - (U.S.A.)

It would seem you are confused. DeVry University has the highest academic accreditation possible. The same as Havard or Yale.
You write a lot, but don't say much. Do you have a lawsuit pending?
DeVry does not make loans. The government and private lenders do, but DeVry is not a lender. DeVry makes no "interest".
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#158 UPDATE Employee

DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

AUTHOR: Dvinsider - (U.S.A.)

It would seem you are confused. DeVry University has the highest academic accreditation possible. The same as Havard or Yale.
You write a lot, but don't say much. Do you have a lawsuit pending?
DeVry does not make loans. The government and private lenders do, but DeVry is not a lender. DeVry makes no "interest".
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#159 UPDATE Employee

DeVry has the Highest Accreditation there is!

AUTHOR: Dvinsider - (U.S.A.)

It would seem you are confused. DeVry University has the highest academic accreditation possible. The same as Havard or Yale.
You write a lot, but don't say much. Do you have a lawsuit pending?
DeVry does not make loans. The government and private lenders do, but DeVry is not a lender. DeVry makes no "interest".
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#160 Consumer Comment

Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

AUTHOR: Curtis - (Canada)

As a person who was "screwed" over by one of these types of institutions I feel I have a right to expose them for what they are. In Canada it doesn't seem to be as bad as it is in the US(but we have many "fake" schools also). When I first enrolled in a private school I had NO idea that just anybody can call themselves a "University" or "College". I figured it was government regulated and that strict regulations controlled this matter. I guess not. In north America ANYBODY can call themselves a University and offer "doctorates", "masters", "bachelors" etc.In Australia for example, the government has the final say so not just anyone can call themselves a University or whatever as obviously, its a pretty serious issue and no one wants a paper mill right? There are so many things wrong with this system here in North America.These private colleges accredit themselves through their own institutions and in all seriousness, accreditation don't mean all that much. They allow anyone 16 or over to enroll, so basically someone without a high school diploma is eligible. The course content is probably, at most, grade 11 high school material and everyone gets a 4.0.So basically, as we are seeing, employers are writing these private schools off. The market is now flooded with MBAs and PHDs and whatever else(whats next, a UofP post doctorate?!), who can blame them, it must be mind-boggling.With strict competition from REAL universities what kind of competition does a UofP or Devry piece of paper give to a real school. I mean, even the worst of the real schools will stomp all over these pieces of paper. I mean, sure, who doesn't want to be able to tell their friends and co-workers that they have an MBA or whatever. Those are some serious credentials right? Not in this case. The second you tell them where you went to school, thats when it turns into an absolute joke.If you think the course content and level of skill required to complete a "brick and mortar" program is the same as that of a private school, you are fooling yourself. If they would just call it a business certificate or MAYBE at most, a diploma, they may have a better name with employers and the public, but when you are calling these designations MBAs and PHDs , you are just asking for ridicule! and the whole issue of accreditation is a farce. The real things one needs to look at are this. Is the school private and for profit or public and state or provincially funded? If it is private and for-profit your degree has an abysmally low value as compared to a state funded, non-profit school.Thats how the employers see it and thats how the public sees it.If the school has campuses all over the country its another red flag and employers now use this to gauge the quality of a degree(many campuses=private/for-profit degree mill to them). To be honest, if I were to check now if a school was "accredited" I would make sure that devry or UofP or Everest etc was accredited by THE EXACT same body as that of REGULAR, well knows ONE CAMPUS, brick-and-mortar university. If not, cya later. Aside from that, the other main thing to look at is the internet. If you type in "DeVry" sucks, and a million links come up to reinforce that phrase, forget about the school. If you type in UofP sucks and a bunch of links come up to back up that phrase, I think that says enough. Forget about it. Its simple but the allure of fancy"yet phoney" credentials lures many of us in(including me) but the reality is, we are no better off then we were before we got said pieces of paper(I wont refer to it as a degree). Try typing in University of Atlanta sucks or whatever(or any other state funded school with ONE campus that has a good reputations) and put sucks after it, Im sure not much will come up, if anything!
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#161 Consumer Comment

Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

AUTHOR: Curtis - (Canada)

As a person who was "screwed" over by one of these types of institutions I feel I have a right to expose them for what they are. In Canada it doesn't seem to be as bad as it is in the US(but we have many "fake" schools also). When I first enrolled in a private school I had NO idea that just anybody can call themselves a "University" or "College". I figured it was government regulated and that strict regulations controlled this matter. I guess not. In north America ANYBODY can call themselves a University and offer "doctorates", "masters", "bachelors" etc.

In Australia for example, the government has the final say so not just anyone can call themselves a University or whatever as obviously, its a pretty serious issue and no one wants a paper mill right? There are so many things wrong with this system here in North America.These private colleges accredit themselves through their own institutions and in all seriousness, accreditation don't mean all that much. They allow anyone 16 or over to enroll, so basically someone without a high school diploma is eligible. The course content is probably, at most, grade 11 high school material and everyone gets a 4.0.So basically, as we are seeing, employers are writing these private schools off.

The market is now flooded with MBAs and PHDs and whatever else(whats next, a UofP post doctorate?!), who can blame them, it must be mind-boggling.With strict competition from REAL universities what kind of competition does a UofP or Devry piece of paper give to a real school. I mean, even the worst of the real schools will stomp all over these pieces of paper. I mean, sure, who doesn't want to be able to tell their friends and co-workers that they have an MBA or whatever. Those are some serious credentials right? Not in this case. The second you tell them where you went to school, thats when it turns into an absolute joke.If you think the course content and level of skill required to complete a "brick and mortar" program is the same as that of a private school, you are fooling yourself.

If they would just call it a business certificate or MAYBE at most, a diploma, they may have a better name with employers and the public, but when you are calling these designations MBAs and PHDs , you are just asking for ridicule! and the whole issue of accreditation is a farce. The real things one needs to look at are this. Is the school private and for profit or public and state or provincially funded? If it is private and for-profit your degree has an abysmally low value as compared to a state funded, non-profit school.Thats how the employers see it and thats how the public sees it.If the school has campuses all over the country its another red flag and employers now use this to gauge the quality of a degree(many campuses=private/for-profit degree mill to them).

To be honest, if I were to check now if a school was "accredited" I would make sure that devry or UofP or Everest etc was accredited by THE EXACT same body as that of REGULAR, well knows ONE CAMPUS, brick-and-mortar university. If not, cya later. Aside from that, the other main thing to look at is the internet. If you type in "DeVry" sucks, and a million links come up to reinforce that phrase, forget about the school. If you type in UofP sucks and a bunch of links come up to back up that phrase, I think that says enough. Forget about it. Its simple but the allure of fancy"yet phoney" credentials lures many of us in(including me) but the reality is, we are no better off then we were before we got said pieces of paper(I wont refer to it as a degree). Try typing in University of Atlanta sucks or whatever(or any other state funded school with ONE campus that has a good reputations) and put sucks after it, Im sure not much will come up, if anything!
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#162 Consumer Comment

Offering people fancy letters with no worth behind them,Pseudo credentials

AUTHOR: Curtis - (Canada)

As a person who was "screwed" over by one of these types of institutions I feel I have a right to expose them for what they are. In Canada it doesn't seem to be as bad as it is in the US(but we have many "fake" schools also). When I first enrolled in a private school I had NO idea that just anybody can call themselves a "University" or "College". I figured it was government regulated and that strict regulations controlled this matter. I guess not. In north America ANYBODY can call themselves a University and offer "doctorates", "masters", "bachelors" etc.

In Australia for example, the government has the final say so not just anyone can call themselves a University or whatever as obviously, its a pretty serious issue and no one wants a paper mill right? There are so many things wrong with this system here in North America.These private colleges accredit themselves through their own institutions and in all seriousness, accreditation don't mean all that much. They allow anyone 16 or over to enroll, so basically someone without a high school diploma is eligible. The course content is probably, at most, grade 11 high school material and everyone gets a 4.0.So basically, as we are seeing, employers are writing these private schools off.

The market is now flooded with MBAs and PHDs and whatever else(whats next, a UofP post doctorate?!), who can blame them, it must be mind-boggling.With strict competition from REAL universities what kind of competition does a UofP or Devry piece of paper give to a real school. I mean, even the worst of the real schools will stomp all over these pieces of paper. I mean, sure, who doesn't want to be able to tell their friends and co-workers that they have an MBA or whatever. Those are some serious credentials right? Not in this case. The second you tell them where you went to school, thats when it turns into an absolute joke.If you think the course content and level of skill required to complete a "brick and mortar" program is the same as that of a private school, you are fooling yourself.

If they would just call it a business certificate or MAYBE at most, a diploma, they may have a better name with employers and the public, but when you are calling these designations MBAs and PHDs , you are just asking for ridicule! and the whole issue of accreditation is a farce. The real things one needs to look at are this. Is the school private and for profit or public and state or provincially funded? If it is private and for-profit your degree has an abysmally low value as compared to a state funded, non-profit school.Thats how the employers see it and thats how the public sees it.If the school has campuses all over the country its another red flag and employers now use this to gauge the quality of a degree(many campuses=private/for-profit degree mill to them).

To be honest, if I were to check now if a school was "accredited" I would make sure that devry or UofP or Everest etc was accredited by THE EXACT same body as that of REGULAR, well knows ONE CAMPUS, brick-and-mortar university. If not, cya later. Aside from that, the other main thing to look at is the internet. If you type in "DeVry" sucks, and a million links come up to reinforce that phrase, forget about the school. If you type in UofP sucks and a bunch of links come up to back up that phrase, I think that says enough. Forget about it. Its simple but the allure of fancy"yet phoney" credentials lures many of us in(including me) but the reality is, we are no better off then we were before we got said pieces of paper(I wont refer to it as a degree). Try typing in University of Atlanta sucks or whatever(or any other state funded school with ONE campus that has a good reputations) and put sucks after it, Im sure not much will come up, if anything!
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#163 Consumer Comment

Give me a break

AUTHOR: Jfk - (U.S.A.)

People, seriously...DeVry (or any other school) is what you make of it. I graduated from the Phoenix campus Summa c*m Laude in 2002 - a time when the tech job market was almost non-existant. I worked extremely hard and was able to land a job in my field over a year before graduating. Now I have moved on to a new company but am still doing what I love and getting paid well for it - all because of DeVry. If you fail to do the work you will learn less and you will have a harder time finding a job in your field after you graduate - this is true of any school. Even if you graduate with excellent grades you are still not entitled to a job...it is up to you to get one.

Yes, DeVry will try and provide you with leads but it is still your responsibility to follow through. Where is this sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility coming from nowadays? DeVry does try to sell itself as someplace where large companies like Lockheed, Boeing, Microsoft, Motorolla etc. actively recruit and they tell you that they will help you try to find a job upon graduation (or before graduation through other programs) if you so desire. I found this to be true but they can only help you so much - a job isn't going to just land in your lap.
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#164 Consumer Comment

Give me a break

AUTHOR: Jfk - (U.S.A.)

People, seriously...DeVry (or any other school) is what you make of it. I graduated from the Phoenix campus Summa c*m Laude in 2002 - a time when the tech job market was almost non-existant. I worked extremely hard and was able to land a job in my field over a year before graduating. Now I have moved on to a new company but am still doing what I love and getting paid well for it - all because of DeVry. If you fail to do the work you will learn less and you will have a harder time finding a job in your field after you graduate - this is true of any school. Even if you graduate with excellent grades you are still not entitled to a job...it is up to you to get one.

Yes, DeVry will try and provide you with leads but it is still your responsibility to follow through. Where is this sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility coming from nowadays? DeVry does try to sell itself as someplace where large companies like Lockheed, Boeing, Microsoft, Motorolla etc. actively recruit and they tell you that they will help you try to find a job upon graduation (or before graduation through other programs) if you so desire. I found this to be true but they can only help you so much - a job isn't going to just land in your lap.
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#165 Consumer Comment

Give me a break

AUTHOR: Jfk - (U.S.A.)

People, seriously...DeVry (or any other school) is what you make of it. I graduated from the Phoenix campus Summa c*m Laude in 2002 - a time when the tech job market was almost non-existant. I worked extremely hard and was able to land a job in my field over a year before graduating. Now I have moved on to a new company but am still doing what I love and getting paid well for it - all because of DeVry. If you fail to do the work you will learn less and you will have a harder time finding a job in your field after you graduate - this is true of any school. Even if you graduate with excellent grades you are still not entitled to a job...it is up to you to get one.

Yes, DeVry will try and provide you with leads but it is still your responsibility to follow through. Where is this sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility coming from nowadays? DeVry does try to sell itself as someplace where large companies like Lockheed, Boeing, Microsoft, Motorolla etc. actively recruit and they tell you that they will help you try to find a job upon graduation (or before graduation through other programs) if you so desire. I found this to be true but they can only help you so much - a job isn't going to just land in your lap.
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#166 Consumer Comment

Give me a break

AUTHOR: Jfk - (U.S.A.)

People, seriously...DeVry (or any other school) is what you make of it. I graduated from the Phoenix campus Summa c*m Laude in 2002 - a time when the tech job market was almost non-existant. I worked extremely hard and was able to land a job in my field over a year before graduating. Now I have moved on to a new company but am still doing what I love and getting paid well for it - all because of DeVry. If you fail to do the work you will learn less and you will have a harder time finding a job in your field after you graduate - this is true of any school. Even if you graduate with excellent grades you are still not entitled to a job...it is up to you to get one.

Yes, DeVry will try and provide you with leads but it is still your responsibility to follow through. Where is this sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility coming from nowadays? DeVry does try to sell itself as someplace where large companies like Lockheed, Boeing, Microsoft, Motorolla etc. actively recruit and they tell you that they will help you try to find a job upon graduation (or before graduation through other programs) if you so desire. I found this to be true but they can only help you so much - a job isn't going to just land in your lap.
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#167 Consumer Comment

I think it depends on each individual campus

AUTHOR: Jane - (U.S.A.)

I have heard bad stories about the NJ campus. I think they haven't taken the time to develop into the school they could be. I believe it is still "Devry Tech" and not a university (not sure though) as I recall when the school first opened in the 90's. Every campus is different and I am sure some are really good. It just depends on where you live. Don't judge all of the schools as bad just because a few are bad.
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#168 Consumer Comment

DeVry...So Many Good Qualities...SUCH POOR MARKETING

AUTHOR: Gwh3 - (U.S.A.)

The truth of the matter is, the quality of a De Vry Education, really depends on the format and location of the school you attended. The school draws it's instructors from the immediate area and they usually either work for a big local company or at a teach at another school in the area.

Because I attended the DeVry campus in New Jersey, some of my instructors also taught at Rutgers, Ryder, etc. etc.; Or worked for WorldCom, Verizon, etc. etc. Brick and mortar schools always offer more then purely on-line courses. No need to even argue the point. You simply get more from a face to face class, and from working in teams in person...then anything you can do virtually. Even big technology firms who LOVE the virtual meeting know that when it matters, you hold session, in person. More importantly, people who hire...HR directors..Recruiters....they will tell you a degree from DeVry is worth little, and if it was an online course...its worth even less.

DeVrys poor habit of accepting any student with a check book and a pulse, and their aggressive marketing campaign has made a degree from this school useless, depending on your job status.

If your new to a field, and you hope DeVry will get your foot in the door, just plain forget it. On the other hand, if your objective is to improve your standing at your current job, or in an industry you already have experience in, then your degree will mean a little bit more...but not by much.

DeVry has become the punchline of many jokes, and I don't mean that just figuratively. DeVry does nothing to combat the poor image.

Does it actually deserve the reputation? Well personally, I have done really well for myself since graduating. And have since graduated a well known and established school for my BS, and I now attend an internationally rated B-School.

But the fact is, I don't even put my DeVry Degree on my resume anymore. The reputation hurts more then it helps, and thats sad considering it was a very good educational experience.
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#169 UPDATE Employee

College Recruitment - In The End Education is WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I am responding to this thread of comments about DeVry from the point of view as a recruiter. First, I must preface this by saying the term recruiter is no different from using the term marketing or sales.

Second the role of recruitment is to ultimately, yes you guessed it, RECRUIT.

Third, I have been in Marketing and Sales for about 15 years for both product & services companies, hardware & software technology companies etc.

Fourth, ANY eduction is what YOU make of it. EDUCATION will never get you a career or make you happy. You are responsible for that. So the process or basis of blaming a school or college I find somewhat unfounded in the first place. But again, people like to blame or assign guilt in order to justify, I used to do the same thing with my parents, my wife, etc.

Fifth, the integrity of an institution company or organization lies within its overall ability to serve its mission over time and succeed continuously. We have all dealt with disgruntled clients and customers in life. It is the overall track record that determines an organizations' success, coupled with the people who work for that company.

The difference between a university and ANY for Profit college is that For Profit colleges tend to use the tactics of a business, meaning they find students to continue to grow. Whereas a college tends to be complacent to grow based on research or government grants based on your tax dollars. A state university in effect is a bureacracy. So, apples and oranges there. A private university does not receive state or federal funding to serve the local constituency - thus the need for resident tuition discounts. They charge higher rates to finance themselves. DeVry is a private for profit university and sometimes gets lumped in with other for profit universities like University of Phoenix and Capella, ITT etc.

I would suggest that the argument against DeVry is a general argument against for profit educational systems. But to address the point of profit vs. non-profit very quickly here. The benefit of a non-profit organization is purely tax based and the limitations of non-profit organizations to grow according to federal guidelines. Whereas, for profit organizations have the ability to grow, buy-sell, their products, services, assets and resources according to their own needs and NOT from the oversight of a government organization.

DeVry as a for profit educational organization is something I truly admire at this point. Because I not only believe in the mission of higher education and believe that DeVry does as well. The qualifications to get in to DeVry are one of the highest standards in the industry of for profit education, if not the highest. They are NOT high compared to say a MIT, Cal Poly or Georgia Tech. But they are the highest compared to other for profit educational schools.

DeVry requires placement/admissions testing or the ability to utilize ACT/PSAT scores. DeVry requires a GPA of a C+ or higher, whereas other universities require a B+. Does the lower entrance requirements make DeVry less of a school? Hardly, any state university probably has the same if not LOWER requirements. Most private universities have the SAME requirements with the exception of the elite universities where a student has to prove their worthiness to part of that school. The "elite-ness" of any of those schools can make them seem more like a fraternity moreso than an educational institution.

In closing I make these arguments based on being a recruiter in a school I believe in, and having worked in a school where it was PURELY numbers driven and not based on the student. This school just recently purchased the naming rights of a stadium :-). The bottom line is physically goto the school you wish to enroll in, take a tour, talk to the students who are YOUR peers. Make an educated decision. The end hope of education is to get a job or do research, basically better yourself and support yourself. You make the most of your education not the school.
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#170 Consumer Comment

Student Financial Serivces = HORRIBLE

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I enrolled in DeVry this last summer for online courses. I got my financial aid stuff in order and did everything I was supposed to. I sent what I needed to in and faxed the proper paperwork that was needed to be faxed. However, for some strange reason....TADA......they either lost my paperwork over and over or they needed more, unreasonable paperwork for financial aid. For some reason, they were never able to tell that I had gotten a student loan through Student Loans Xpress.

I was dealing with the online headquarters in IL. Then, suddenly, they transfered all my information to the Pomona, CA Devry (I live in CA). This is where things went really haywire. After I had cleared up all my finances with the IL DeVry, Pomona couldn't find any of my information. It was anything from "We can't verify your financial aid" to "did you send this or that in?" Meanwhile, I have both the IL Devry and the Pomona DeVry telling me to deal with them and only them.....so.....which one do I deal with?

Not only that, I suddenly got a 2nd Notice (never got the first notice) in my e-mail that said the reasons why my account is on hold. One of the reasons: They can't verify my financial aid.....the financial aid stuff I did while enrolling with DeVry and was accepted. Not only that, when you call the Pomona campus student financial aid department.....you get a voicemail that promises a call back within 24 hours. I got my callback more like after 48 hours and got nothing accomplished except a lazy worker that didn't want to stay on hold to verify my student loans through my lender.

DeVry seems like a great school but after this crap, I would never register for another semester....even if I was able to. They have a very unprofessional finance department and trying to get a hold of an adviser is a complete joke. It's now two days since I left a message for an adviser to call me back.
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#171 Consumer Comment

DeVry University Can't make everyone happy. I loved it. Chicago Illinois

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

DeVry University Can't make everyone happy. I loved it. Chicago Illinois

I attended DeVry University Online with my wife and we both graduated in May,06 and loved it. My brother went to the campus in Chicago and did very well. We all have great jobs and I know DeVry University had a lot to do with it. I was sickened with the repsonses I read and quickly realized that there are alot of people that would be unhappy at any school they attended or are simply unemployable. The fact is, if your life sucks you can't blame the school you went to. I would also like to add that I read in these post that credits wouldn't transfer, that is a bold face lie or just plain old ignorance. I would recommend this school to anyone, it is expensive but worth it. You get what you pay for!

Mike
Chicago, Illinois
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#172 Consumer Comment

Devry

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I just received in the mail a survey which is what all the schools do anyway and their sales pitch. I'm not interested. I run a business where I can make that much money. Its ashamed of what these schools are doing.
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#173 Consumer Comment

A little of both...

AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)

I'll start by saying that DeVry is a good school. I graduated with a CIS degree and am way ahead in my career than most people I know.

I saw both the "business side" as well as the "school" side when I attended. The business side seems to be evident in the first two semesters. The class sizes are very large to start with. There were people in the first two semesters that had no business even thinking about college. Many couldn't even write a complete paragraph. On one occasion a professor threw out an essay grade because most of them were so bad that he said he couldn't grade them. This was a 100 level business class.

I spoke to the professor about this and his response was essentially that 75% of those who didn't belong there would be gone by the 3rd semester and that another half of those who made it past the 2nd semester would not graduate. He was close. With a starting class around 225 students, only about 23 graduated.

I felt that most of those who graduated definately earned their degree and it didn't come easy. Like any school, there can be a huge difference between the quality of education that two people earn from the same organization.

So, yes, DeVry seems to admit a lot of students that may not qualify as traditional college students but in my experience, they don't "hand out" degrees. They do however, receive the government backed funding on a large scale in those first two semesters. That side of their business is booming as far as I can tell. Those that graduated with me are all pretty successful.

The only drawback I see with a DeVry education is the "Refigerator Repairman" type reputation that their degrees have. I think they do a terrible job of PR and Marketing which cheapens the degree to those who are not informed. I'm amazed that they haven't been able to legitimize themselves better considering they obviously have a marketing budget.

Those who started this complaint probably didn't make it past the first two semesters. In addition, others who state their 2nd cousin's brother went to DeVry and couldn't get a job are putting way to much blame on the degree itself. There are many much more important criteria when being considered for a job. A job is not a guaranteed thing from any school.
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#174 Consumer Comment

truly a shocking experience

AUTHOR: Maria - (U.S.A.)

I absolutely believe there needs to be a class action lawsuit against DeVry, if there is not one already.

Go to your courthouse and find out. If not, get the media involved.

My brief exposure to DeVry through their Decatur campus (and the jaw-dropping incompetence of their 'personnel') has revealed to me their inability to function in education.

It was truly a shocking experience.
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#175 Consumer Suggestion

go to the courthouse and research to see if any lawsuits were filed

AUTHOR: Joyce - (U.S.A.)

I suggest all people who post on this site about DeVry go to the courthouse and research to see if any lawsuits were filed against this institution. Also contact your state department of education, contact the news media, get a group of your former classmates and file a class action suit.
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#176 Consumer Comment

DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

AUTHOR: Maria - (U.S.A.)

I have just finished a temporary assignment at the DeVry Decatur campus in Georgia, and am appalled at the quality of university personnel and university procedures.

I was brought in to help with the large number of students registering for the Summer Sessions, specifically to man the receptionist desk at "Student Central" and guide the students to the appropriate area.

Many of the students would come in to discuss their schedule with an advisor before registering. Unfortunately, there were no advisors assigned to particular students, only a few "general" advisors assigned to students in a few curriculums.

The advisors would invariably not answer their phones when I called them regarding a student, greatly frustrating and angering the students. I would be forced to search for the advisor in question, who would usually be laughing and chatting in her cubicle and ignoring her phone.

Messages left on personnel's phones, and notes left on their desks went unanswered. After finally getting the attention of an advisor after dealing with an agitated student who had been waiting for almost an hour to talk to SOMEONE about her schedule, the advisor rolled her eyes at me and said "I don't know what I can do to help her. Tell her I'll see her in a few minutes."

After 15 more minutes and more reminders from me, the advisor reluctantly left her discussion with a co-worker regarding a relative's surgery to talk to the student.

This was par for the course. I have never worked with such a bunch of unprofessional, unmotivated, or uncaring individuals. It is appalling that they have chosen to work in education.

The students I dealt with appeared to be receiving a sub-par education; even the CIS students on the cusp of graduation needed basic instructions on logging onto the computers, navigating the DeVry website, and even accessing their email! I had to route written "appeals" from many students, and was shocked at how illiterate these students are, in addition to their fragile command of properly spoken English.

As someone who has interviewed and selected staff for my employer, I would be hesitant to hire a DeVry graduate. I definitely will not be getting my graduate degree from them.
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#177 Consumer Comment

DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

AUTHOR: Maria - (U.S.A.)

I have just finished a temporary assignment at the DeVry Decatur campus in Georgia, and am appalled at the quality of university personnel and university procedures.

I was brought in to help with the large number of students registering for the Summer Sessions, specifically to man the receptionist desk at "Student Central" and guide the students to the appropriate area.

Many of the students would come in to discuss their schedule with an advisor before registering. Unfortunately, there were no advisors assigned to particular students, only a few "general" advisors assigned to students in a few curriculums.

The advisors would invariably not answer their phones when I called them regarding a student, greatly frustrating and angering the students. I would be forced to search for the advisor in question, who would usually be laughing and chatting in her cubicle and ignoring her phone.

Messages left on personnel's phones, and notes left on their desks went unanswered. After finally getting the attention of an advisor after dealing with an agitated student who had been waiting for almost an hour to talk to SOMEONE about her schedule, the advisor rolled her eyes at me and said "I don't know what I can do to help her. Tell her I'll see her in a few minutes."

After 15 more minutes and more reminders from me, the advisor reluctantly left her discussion with a co-worker regarding a relative's surgery to talk to the student.

This was par for the course. I have never worked with such a bunch of unprofessional, unmotivated, or uncaring individuals. It is appalling that they have chosen to work in education.

The students I dealt with appeared to be receiving a sub-par education; even the CIS students on the cusp of graduation needed basic instructions on logging onto the computers, navigating the DeVry website, and even accessing their email! I had to route written "appeals" from many students, and was shocked at how illiterate these students are, in addition to their fragile command of properly spoken English.

As someone who has interviewed and selected staff for my employer, I would be hesitant to hire a DeVry graduate. I definitely will not be getting my graduate degree from them.
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#178 Consumer Comment

DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

AUTHOR: Maria - (U.S.A.)

I have just finished a temporary assignment at the DeVry Decatur campus in Georgia, and am appalled at the quality of university personnel and university procedures.

I was brought in to help with the large number of students registering for the Summer Sessions, specifically to man the receptionist desk at "Student Central" and guide the students to the appropriate area.

Many of the students would come in to discuss their schedule with an advisor before registering. Unfortunately, there were no advisors assigned to particular students, only a few "general" advisors assigned to students in a few curriculums.

The advisors would invariably not answer their phones when I called them regarding a student, greatly frustrating and angering the students. I would be forced to search for the advisor in question, who would usually be laughing and chatting in her cubicle and ignoring her phone.

Messages left on personnel's phones, and notes left on their desks went unanswered. After finally getting the attention of an advisor after dealing with an agitated student who had been waiting for almost an hour to talk to SOMEONE about her schedule, the advisor rolled her eyes at me and said "I don't know what I can do to help her. Tell her I'll see her in a few minutes."

After 15 more minutes and more reminders from me, the advisor reluctantly left her discussion with a co-worker regarding a relative's surgery to talk to the student.

This was par for the course. I have never worked with such a bunch of unprofessional, unmotivated, or uncaring individuals. It is appalling that they have chosen to work in education.

The students I dealt with appeared to be receiving a sub-par education; even the CIS students on the cusp of graduation needed basic instructions on logging onto the computers, navigating the DeVry website, and even accessing their email! I had to route written "appeals" from many students, and was shocked at how illiterate these students are, in addition to their fragile command of properly spoken English.

As someone who has interviewed and selected staff for my employer, I would be hesitant to hire a DeVry graduate. I definitely will not be getting my graduate degree from them.
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#179 Consumer Comment

DeVry: Chaotic, Unprofessional, and Uncaring

AUTHOR: Maria - (U.S.A.)

I have just finished a temporary assignment at the DeVry Decatur campus in Georgia, and am appalled at the quality of university personnel and university procedures.

I was brought in to help with the large number of students registering for the Summer Sessions, specifically to man the receptionist desk at "Student Central" and guide the students to the appropriate area.

Many of the students would come in to discuss their schedule with an advisor before registering. Unfortunately, there were no advisors assigned to particular students, only a few "general" advisors assigned to students in a few curriculums.

The advisors would invariably not answer their phones when I called them regarding a student, greatly frustrating and angering the students. I would be forced to search for the advisor in question, who would usually be laughing and chatting in her cubicle and ignoring her phone.

Messages left on personnel's phones, and notes left on their desks went unanswered. After finally getting the attention of an advisor after dealing with an agitated student who had been waiting for almost an hour to talk to SOMEONE about her schedule, the advisor rolled her eyes at me and said "I don't know what I can do to help her. Tell her I'll see her in a few minutes."

After 15 more minutes and more reminders from me, the advisor reluctantly left her discussion with a co-worker regarding a relative's surgery to talk to the student.

This was par for the course. I have never worked with such a bunch of unprofessional, unmotivated, or uncaring individuals. It is appalling that they have chosen to work in education.

The students I dealt with appeared to be receiving a sub-par education; even the CIS students on the cusp of graduation needed basic instructions on logging onto the computers, navigating the DeVry website, and even accessing their email! I had to route written "appeals" from many students, and was shocked at how illiterate these students are, in addition to their fragile command of properly spoken English.

As someone who has interviewed and selected staff for my employer, I would be hesitant to hire a DeVry graduate. I definitely will not be getting my graduate degree from them.
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#180 Consumer Suggestion

Very skeptical on Devry

AUTHOR: Christine - (U.S.A.)

I think its different in every state that the school is in. I know that in NJ they dont help you get jobs. My best friends brother graduated from there 2 yrs ago with a BS in Computers. Since then he was a stock boy for BJ's warehouse.. Doesnt sound like someone with a BS should be doing. He recently got a job with American Express as a sales rep but with no help from the school that claims they do job placement. From what he said they get the jobs that are in the newspaper. Like thats of any help.. Is that the case with all the schools or did they actually have connection with companies and place you in these jobs as opposed to listing the same jobs that are in the local newspaper.
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#181 Consumer Comment

I LOVE DEVRY

AUTHOR: Chad - (U.S.A.)

I'm a current graduate student at DeVry. I'm not sure why there is such hostility towards this university, but I've had great classes, great professors, and I have learned an incredible amount of information. Also, about the loan comments that were made about the loans coming from Credit Card Companies...my loans with DeVry are through the same loan servicing company that I used at my undergraduate institution, Mississippi College, which is a renowned private Baptist College.
Nothing is handed to you from this college. Every class that I've taken has had its share of difficulties, but I've enjoyed the learning experience.

Sincerely,

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#182 Consumer Suggestion

DeVry is a true University. Facts Speak for themselves

AUTHOR: Cadet - (U.S.A.)

I am a recent DeVry Orlando graduate in the Engineering field. I'm dismayed at Patrick's attack on Tia and confused by Mr. Kopel's rambling notes that cite no facts or figures but does lots of finger pointing. Patrick---when does Tia do any name calling or belitting? Are you taking offense to her stating that any student at any university needs to study and pay his/her bills? Strange. And Mr. Kopel laughingly tries to cast insults by stating she is a "low level employee"--any one NOT in management IS low level! Who cares what she does for DeVry? She speaks the truth.

Patrick, perhaps you do not realize that DeVry University is a regionally accredited institution and that their undergraduate degree is accepted at any college and university's graduate school, provided they meet the prerequistes for their graduate major? DeVry has students in graduate programs from state universities to Harvard, MIT, Vanderbuilt and USC. I'm not sure what school you interviewed them and turned them down from, since you did not share, nor did you share your reasons. Was it simply because they were a student from DeVry? Poor Grades? Low GRE? Engieering student going for Bio Med?

DeVry Orlando students have gone to work for such companies as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Martin Marietta, SPRINT, BellSouth, University of Tampa, Orange and Volusia Counties, State Agencies and even NASA. Our last valedictorian started at Lockheed at over 50K. I'm sorry, why did those other students have trouble finding jobs? Do you know or did they just whine and complain? Go look at our job placement statistics on the US Gov't website of Department of Labor and Stats. They are there in black and white.

Yes, there are class action suits. There are many against many universities. There are many against car companies, insurance agencies, etc. Are the oponents of Private, For Profit Universities going to state that since some people are unhappy, no one should get a legitimate degree? Or, should noone by a Ford? Or Michilean Tires? Or Exxon gas? Or... it is an endless, pointless arguement.

Gentleman, discuss facts instead of name calling and putting down your fellow rebuttal contributors. Noone was mad or wanted to "take their crayons and go home"-- it was you all that are made to look foolish, actually, by mistating what was said. Discuss the whys and wherefores. Disclose the full truth as we do.

A University cannot be granted a regional accreditation unless it meets certain standards--be it Private, Public, etc--and DeVry meets and surpasses those standards according to the North Central Association of Colleges . Are you all really suggesting that it is a "scam" and that agency is letting it slip through? Credits transfer fully in and out of all regionally accredited schools and also, national accrediation. The undergraduate degree is fully recognized by most major state and private universities. These are undisputed facts.

If you go to class, get good grades, "you get the car" by graduating with a solid degree. I did. And one year later, I'm now making over 55K a year with Lockheed Martin.

Compliants of DeVry being a mill fall on deaf ears to the 1/2 million graduates that are successfully working in their chosen fields thanks to DeVry.
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#183 UPDATE Employee

Not a Diploma Mill

AUTHOR: Suzanne - (U.S.A.)

I think that some people here have legitimate concerns, and I am not disputing that some people have had bad experiences with DeVry... however, as a full-time faculty member here at the Westminster campus, I assure you that we do *not* just pass anyone who comes through. The head office doesn't pressure us to pass students who aren't making the grade, and we discuss grade inflation at faculty meetings just like any other University.

It is true that DeVry is a private, for-profit institution, and that fact may deter some students... definitely, research schools before you make a decision and don't trust *any* salespeople blindly, whether they are selling you a car or a school. However, I *know* that the deans and the faculty here actually DO care about providing a quality education. Sometimes it is tough to find the best faculty, the best employees, and the best students... I think that every company and every school has people who misrepresent the real goals of the school to others, or set bad examples. That is unfortunate, and I wish that we all could see things from each others' perspectives... but DeVry isn't a diploma mill where you pay your money and get a fake transcript in the mail. My students have to work for the grades that they recieve, and I don't give *any* of them the answers to the tests in order to help them pass. I fail students regularly, if their work in my class deserves it.

As for the degree being worthless... it isn't for most people. There are tons of my students out there working in the field, making good money. It depends on what use you put to it. We are accredited, and transferring credit should be as easy or hard as from any other institution. That is a complete other issue, because *every* college would rather not transfer credits, because the more classes you take at their institution, the more money they make, whether that is for-profit money, or just government support.

I have taught classes at a lot of colleges... it is part of the process before you can find a full-time position anywhere to teach as an adjunct, and in my experience, DeVry is one of the *most* concerned colleges about the quality of education... more concerned than the other for-profit institutions I have worked for. I also think that with a smaller campus and more personal contact, that it is a better atmosphere than the community colleges that I have worked for. I see professors here all the time scheduling extra study sessions for their students, and going the extra mile trying to help their students succeed. I think that teaching here puts me in contact with some amazing human beings, both teachers and students.

Education is always an individual choice, and if there is anything that we *should* be learning and teaching in higher education, it is to think for yourself... to research and make informed decisions about anything that you are going to commit yourself to. I hope that everyone looks very closely at any school that they are planning to attend, and very closely at the level of commitment they are willing to make from the student side as well... but also consider the other perspective here. If you want a diploma mill, don't come to DeVry. We actually would like you to learn something. :)
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#184 Consumer Suggestion

Just the Facts

AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)

Tia...not to worry, there will always be those who project their failure onto others. And beleive it, when it comes to those completing their college degree, there is much failure to go around! Most every college in the country will have those who harbor ill will towards their college, employer, family, etc. for their lack of focus and success.

The facts on DeVry University are the facts...closely monitored graduate placment statistics, the stellar reputation of DeVry in the corporate world, continued regional accreditation by North Central Association, continued TAC/ABET accreditation for their engineering programs, etc., etc....EVERYONE can't be in on the "corporate scam"! Or is it one of those "right wing conspiracy theories"??
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#185 Consumer Comment

De Vry Being Sued In Class Action

AUTHOR: David Cyrus - (U.S.A.)

Dear Consumers:

For those that have doubts about the credibility of De Vry Corporation's scam operation, I direct you to conduct your own research.

You may begin here:

[Place your comments below and be sure to include your FULL contact information so Rip-off Report can contact you.]

Tia, I recommend this as recommended reading for you, and other corporate sellouts.

As you recommended, its important that we all get focused and learn about the subjects that we provide discourse.

This report is just the tip of the ice berg with De Vry Inc.

Sincerely,
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#186 Consumer Comment

DeVry Is A Corporate Money Beggar & Money Mill

AUTHOR: David Cyrus Koupai - (U.S.A.)

Dear Constituents and Consumers:

First, let me take this time to reaffirm the fact that De Vry is a greedy, money beggar corporation that aims to exploit and abuse its alleged students (in reality these students are debtors).

The De Vry University is in fact, De Vry, Inc., a corporation listed on the NYSE. Its primary motive is to function as a "money mill" and collect on high balance loans and interest.

Patrick deserves to be applauded because he has spoken truth to you as someone who has experience with De Vry, its students, and business practices.

Tia is an ignorant, uninformed tool of the Corporate lies and marketing pitch. As is very common, the people that work for these corporations are completely brainwashed by the calculated marketing schemes carefully crafted from the Executives that we will never see or hold accountable.

I have filed complaints against this Corporation (not University) because I was enrolled at the business for one semester. During that time, I compiled a 3.8 GPA and made Honor Roll.

I also received a Bachelor of Science degree from California State University Northridge in Biological Sciences. I was motivated, ambitious, and thirsty to learn about business, so I took additional college courses in Business, Finance, and Taxation.

At every institution of higher learning, I received excellent marks, and was named to the Honor Roll.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE MONEY BEGGAR CORPORATION THAT ACTIVELY SEEKS TO ENGAGE IN UNJUST ENRICHMENT AND CREDITOR ABUSES AGAINST STUDENTS.

De Vry conducts an operation that is no different that MBNA, Capital One, Metris, Bank of America, etc.

They will charge you late fees, penalties, send collection notices, and defame your financial reputation.

De Vry is a Corporation. It business operating unit is called De Vry, Inc.

It's service name is De Vry University--its name gives it more credibility as part of the calculated marketing scheme.

Also, De Vry makes use of federal student aid forms that makes you believe that your funds are coming from the federal government. In truth, its loans come from private banks and financial institutions as another revenue stream to boost their accounting books and profitability.

How serious can you be if you work for a phony, rip-off corporation like De Vry??? That type of individual is to be properly classified as a "sell out." Bar none.

I challenge all consumers out there to read through these comments, as well as conduct a thorough search on the internet about consumer complaints regarding this corporate scheme by the De Vry Corporation.

Finally, I have written to Ronald Taylor, President/CEO of the De Vry Corporation dozens of times inquiring about its abusive and exploitative business practices, including fraudulent credit reporting.

Mr. Taylor has always deferred these complaints to be handled by low-level staff members (similar to Tia). The world is full of minions and cronies whose only function is obey orders.

But, regardless of those that blindly follow directives for purposes that lack integrity, it is our job to be able to differentiate right from wrong.

Patrick got it right, as well as those who have taken liberty to provide notice to the public about how they were scammed by the De Vry Corporation.

Heed the caution offered to you. It is only to preclude you from making a huge mistake and help you to avoid trouble.

Thank you Patrick and all other reporters that provided your personal accounts of misrepresentation by the De Vry Corporation.

Sincerely,

Executive Director/Credit Analyst
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#187 Consumer Comment

Tia should shut up

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

In response to Tia, it doesnt look very professional when someone who claims to be an employee resorts to name calling. Obviously the original person feels they have a right to complain about their experience with Devry. Thats their right, especially if they paid for it.

That doesnt give you any right to belittle the person and claiming they dont fit the mold of a Devry student. I know three Devry students personally and honestly, they are dumber than a box of rocks combined and they have received "degrees" from your "esteemed" company (please notice that company was used instead of school.)

Two of the three students talked about how Devry was a degree mill and that even some of the teachers gave the students the answers to test in order to boost the numbers of graduates. After their graduation, all three had troubled getting recognition of their degrees for grad school and for employment. Disagree? I know first hand. I interviewed them and turned them down. That should tell you just how much the real world thinks of a Devry "degree".

Perhaps next time, you could argue your case instead of sounding immature and childish as if someone took your crayons.
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#188 Consumer Comment

Tia should shut up

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

In response to Tia, it doesnt look very professional when someone who claims to be an employee resorts to name calling. Obviously the original person feels they have a right to complain about their experience with Devry. Thats their right, especially if they paid for it.

That doesnt give you any right to belittle the person and claiming they dont fit the mold of a Devry student. I know three Devry students personally and honestly, they are dumber than a box of rocks combined and they have received "degrees" from your "esteemed" company (please notice that company was used instead of school.)

Two of the three students talked about how Devry was a degree mill and that even some of the teachers gave the students the answers to test in order to boost the numbers of graduates. After their graduation, all three had troubled getting recognition of their degrees for grad school and for employment. Disagree? I know first hand. I interviewed them and turned them down. That should tell you just how much the real world thinks of a Devry "degree".

Perhaps next time, you could argue your case instead of sounding immature and childish as if someone took your crayons.
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#189 Consumer Comment

Tia should shut up

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

In response to Tia, it doesnt look very professional when someone who claims to be an employee resorts to name calling. Obviously the original person feels they have a right to complain about their experience with Devry. Thats their right, especially if they paid for it.

That doesnt give you any right to belittle the person and claiming they dont fit the mold of a Devry student. I know three Devry students personally and honestly, they are dumber than a box of rocks combined and they have received "degrees" from your "esteemed" company (please notice that company was used instead of school.)

Two of the three students talked about how Devry was a degree mill and that even some of the teachers gave the students the answers to test in order to boost the numbers of graduates. After their graduation, all three had troubled getting recognition of their degrees for grad school and for employment. Disagree? I know first hand. I interviewed them and turned them down. That should tell you just how much the real world thinks of a Devry "degree".

Perhaps next time, you could argue your case instead of sounding immature and childish as if someone took your crayons.
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#190 Consumer Comment

Tia should shut up

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

In response to Tia, it doesnt look very professional when someone who claims to be an employee resorts to name calling. Obviously the original person feels they have a right to complain about their experience with Devry. Thats their right, especially if they paid for it.

That doesnt give you any right to belittle the person and claiming they dont fit the mold of a Devry student. I know three Devry students personally and honestly, they are dumber than a box of rocks combined and they have received "degrees" from your "esteemed" company (please notice that company was used instead of school.)

Two of the three students talked about how Devry was a degree mill and that even some of the teachers gave the students the answers to test in order to boost the numbers of graduates. After their graduation, all three had troubled getting recognition of their degrees for grad school and for employment. Disagree? I know first hand. I interviewed them and turned them down. That should tell you just how much the real world thinks of a Devry "degree".

Perhaps next time, you could argue your case instead of sounding immature and childish as if someone took your crayons.
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#191 UPDATE Employee

Perhaps it is the student and not DeVry University!

AUTHOR: Tia - (U.S.A.)

As a current DeVry employee, it was shocking and amusing to read these consumer rip off reports. First and foremost, DeVry is a regionally accredited university, thus making all credits on the 100 level and higher fully transferable--or, on the same playing field as a state university's credits. As with ANY transfer credits, you must make a "C" or better in the class to transfer it out. Therefore, with the regional accreditation, DeVry is a "real" school.

Yes, as a private University , DeVry is higher in tuition than a state school. This is told to the prospective student in the initial interview, then again in student finance interview--where terms of loans and paybacks are fully disclosed. You are never pressed to sign in front of anyone and in our campus, payment charts are posted everywhere. Additionally, I'm curious as to why a student would fault a university for the U.S. Government going after a non-payer? I know if I don't pay my bills, the creditor comes after me, but I don't blame American Express for Visa asking me for a higher minimum balance than I expected. Guess what else? If you go to a state university and don't repay your loans, the government will go after you then, too!

As for Cyrus' claims of "luring" a student in on the fast track, we have over a half a million graduates who completed their plans of study for a Bachelor's degree in three years or less. The programs and the university is for motivated learners looking at the end of their education

The validity of the ones from Colorado are questionable, at best. From the amounts of grammatical and word usage errors, I doubt that these were ever college students, especially at DeVry which has a high level of general education requirements on the CPT
You get what you pay for!!! If you pay for a quality education, go to class and LEARN!!!!
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#192 Consumer Comment

DeVry Is A Sales Pitch

AUTHOR: Cyrus - (U.S.A.)

I concur with the original Complainant's experience from Colorado. Everyone needs to hear his caution and the misfortune, burden, financial weight dumped on him as a student who invested his hopes in a degree--and a well-paying career.

DeVry uses a marketing ploy with fancy media presentations, statistics, and testimonials to entice prospective students in signing a Credit Installment Contract as part of financing exhorbitant tuition costs.

In my case, not only did they fail to provide me with the student loan, they proceeded to place a derogatory mark on my consumer credit report with Experian.

I have been disputing this fraudulent report for over four years. Complaints have been filed with the Better Business Bureau of Northern Illinois, State of Illinois--Attorney General, Federal Trade Commission, and the Senators from Illinois.

If you want to get information of the contact address for the President and Secretary of DeVry, Inc., a corporation (not a traditional University), you should go to the Illinois Secretary of State's webpage and do a business name search. The names of Ronald Taylor, President, and Marilyn Cason, Secretary, will result from your search.

I cannot emphasize how corrupt this operation is in its marketing and business practices. Do not be enticed by the sale of a dream. Do not sign contracts that have not been explained to you.

All prospective students are better off getting a community college education, or a degree from State supported university. Take advantage of your tax dollars, and recognize that DeVry is corporation that makes itself profitable on the backs of hopes and dreams of prospects who wish to better the circumstances.

Steer clear of the fraud, abuse, and misrepresentation.

Best Regards,
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