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Your crew that you built might turn on you and toast, your owner might be a p***k - but you should never never doubt the system and all that it stands for. Never doubt that corporate always has your best interest at heart.

Just stop thinking and believe in the system.

You don't make millions of dollars a year like we do so nothing you say can compare to the what we are telling you to do to make money like we do.

They want to accept all the credit and none of the blame. You mess up - they are teflon. It is all on you - you knew everything up front. (they gave you all the negatives but make it not seem so bad by promoting the positives) And when things are going your way - it is always because you listened to what they said and applied it.

Well I now know different!!!

Here is what some one else had to say about this blind all or nothing belief:

Do not believe what you have heard.
Do not believe in tradition because it is handed down many generations.
Do not believe in anything that has been spoken of many times.
Do not believe because the written statements come from some old sage.
Do not believe in conjecture.
Do not believe in authority or teachers or elders.
But after careful observation and analysis, when it agrees with reason and it will benefit one and all, then accept it and live by it.

Buddha (563 B.C. - 483 B.C.)

Funny what some one dead 2500 years can tell us now. This is not meant to convert people to buddhism. (I myself am not)

Applying something like this takes courage. If only many of us were open to these words back when we were in the business.

Of course we have to be open to paying attention. Once I saw a list of cult symptoms while in the business and saw many similarities to Dsmax. But I was so close minded - I would not acknowledge the reality. I didn't want to give up on my dream to the point of fault.

But reading this helps me see the errors of my past and hopefully I have learned and will make better decisions in the future. I hope these words do similar things for you.

I welcome others insights...

I won't use names. But at least two of the deals that they had should never have been shut down. Unquestionably. And they had an assistant manager on CSI that never got overrides. So that is at least 3 promotions that got messed with.

I'm willing to go with you though and say that Dave was the main evil one. I've never heard of Murray taking any part of anyones pay check. And he is generous.

But his systems has and continues to lead many to a road of perdition.

So Murray should have screened. That is one of the main problems with the whole organization! Why do you think you loose so many clients and have so many stories like this?

I won't stay up at night worrying about Murrays welfare. He's got more than enough money. And even though Dave swindled alot - Murray still got a nice slice. I'd rather pray for the victims. ALL THREE OF THE THOSE DEALS THAT GOT MESSED WITH - WERE ALL PEOPLE THAT SPENT AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN THE FIELD!!! So I'm sorry Murray got his feelings hurt. He is a great man. I have never seen a better speaker. And I sincerely wish him the best. I do not wish any harm at all on that man.

But look at the consequences of his actions!!!

I don't know how long you were a part of DS MAX- Obviously long enough to see the in's & out's of Dave & Murray.

I know Dave & Murray both very well.and you are about 80% correct.

You are right- Dave did turn out to be stealing money and practicing huge unethical work habits affecting very many people. and it was SAD!! Really SAD!! He made money and then he got greedy- Money changes some people!!

But Murray had nothing to do with this dishonesty!!!

The reason Owners come back to "retrain" back in their office after once being put out is because that owner was failing in their city. Do you realize that every time an owner failed, Dave & Murray had to fund them in their city? It was the right business decision to bring them back in under their roof, give them more training, allow that owner to learn from their mistakes, save some money and go back out again.

I guess the unfortunate thing about it all was that MURRAY believed SO HIGHLY in equal opportunity and "Let's give everyone a chance!" that he unfortunately also trained some bad apples along the way whom- once opened their office- could not handle the day to day operations-probably because they were more trained by Dave and not Murray. Murray should have screend people more- including Dave.

Murray is a good, honest, spiritual man who practices honesty, integrity, and doing the right thing. He did the right thing by getting rid of Dave- as Far as him not wanting to be embarrassed in front of AVie & Larry- that is not true. It was Avie, Larry, & Murray who sat down all together to make the right decision.
Avie had a conference call with select owners to tell us what happened.

The whole thing about him leaving to be with his family was not some kind of planned cover up for Murray- WHAT would you have done if you were Murray???TELL everyone that Dave is some BIG FAT LIAR that screwed us all. Murray was very shocked and hurt when all the truth came out. He acted from his heart. THere was a lot of people counting on them. Murray was left to scrape up all the pieces of Dave's deception and NOW UNFORTUNATELY- Murray is victim by association!!!

DID you ever stop to think that the person that got screwed the most was MURRAY because of DAVE???

I know Murray very, very well. Don't hold it against him because Dave swindled him...

Murray has created tons of opportuinities for many, many people. Some people perceive our business wrong, and YES some people have bad experiences- as is with ANY BIG COMPANY- There will ALWAYS Be disgruntled people and if I had worked in Dave's office- I would have been pissed off too-I don't blame you- But that was DAVE ZINKI-
NOT DSMAX OR MURRAY OR CYDCOR. and yes there are many offices run by INCREDIBLE OWNERS HELPING others & doing the right thing in this huge organization!!! BUt-like anything else- there are cancers that spread like wildfire- and you unfortunately had a bad experience and I wish you could have worked out of the office I Have!!

It's been an incredible, profitable, exciting, learning experience for me in such a GREAT way- and has led me to incredible heights!!I am very happy with my outcome..
Good luck!

i was a victim of the so called 'dsmax' Buisness Cult, through their company Cobra. i live in Australia, this cultist activity is spreading all over the earth like theres no tomorrow.
your description of 'Murray' is exactly what i thought someone capable of running an evil organisation,like this one, must be like.
thank you for your inquisitive insight.