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Complaint Review: Everybicycletire.com - Internet

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  • Reported By: another victim of Hugh Waters — Ormond Beach Florida USA
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Hugh Waters took our money and we never saw any product or money in return.  Upon researching him further, when his reputation gets too bac, he changes the name of his company.  He has done business as Air Free Tire, everybicycletire.com, Bicycle Parts Sales, and beachstreetbicycle.  He was doing business out of New Smyrna Beach but is reported to have moved to Mount Dora, Florida.  He also develops websites.  Do not fall for one of his scams.  He has a F rating with the Better Business Bureau and if you type his name, the first thing that appears are all of the complaints.  The state should stop allowing him to do business.  someone needs to shut him down and lock him up before he takes anybody else's money.  IRS, if you're reading this, find him.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/25/2015 02:37 PM and is a permanent record located here: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/everybicycletirecom/internet/everybicycletirecom-hugh-waters-airfree-tire-beachtreetbicyclecom-bicycle-parts-sale-1238011. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year. Ripoff Report has an exclusive license to this report. It may not be copied without the written permission of Ripoff Report. READ: Foreign websites steal our content

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#7 Author of original report

Again I refer to your own words

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Saturday, July 25, 2015

Re-read the email, in your own words.  You agree you owe money in your own email.  It was supposed to be an online business but YOU decided to rent a retail location which "ebtire.com", yes I said ".com" couldn't afford.  Then you thought that we should pay higher shipping costs to subsidize your girlfriend's rent on the retail location. 

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#6 REBUTTAL Owner of company

This Is An Online Attack By A Disgruntled Former Business Partner

AUTHOR: Air free - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, July 24, 2015

In 2006 Andrew M. H######n of Ormond Beach Florida asked me to start a business together. He promised start up money and he promised to build credit in the company name. We started a business as equal partners. I did my part and delivered a reliable ecommerce platform so we could begin to sell product and I put in thousands of hours and my own money building a website and mail order business from the ground up.

 

With in several months of starting the business Mr. H######n reneged on his promise to help build out the business and instead got acrimonious. He naively believed that he could snap his fingers and make a business instantly profitable. He was not prepared that building a business is hard work and instead only wanted a quick payout. As he was 50% owner he kept calling himself an investor instead of half owner. He did this to escape in his mind the responsibility for helping with building the business.

 

My girlfriend and I contributed over 100k in the business over a five year period and Mr. H######n put in less than 20k. When he found out that the business might not succeed, he tried to worm his way out by offering to have us buy out his share of the business, whereas months earlier he stated he would never sell his shares. He used threats and bully tactics to make us feel that it was our fault when it was really his fault as he was the one that was supposed to help build a credit profile. Our business could not carry a balance because of his irresponsible actions. We put in money, time, effort and our blood, Mr. H######n did nothing but demand payouts. We trusted him to help with the business but he was not honest about what he could contribute. He asked me to start a business with him, not the other way around.

 

Now because Mr. H######n does not have a case he can win in court, he instead resorts to more acrimonious bully tactics. He most certainly commits libel and doesn't even spell it right. This is clear that this is a classic "online attack" that Bullies use. Notice after I rebutted his first spurious claim, he comes back with four more posts. I fully expect more as this is what bullies do. Just look up "Online Bullying" on Google.

 

He possibly has temper issues in that he might not be able to control his anger and now lashes out against me because he cannot come to grips with the fact that we did not succeed. He did not lift one finger to help us no matter how busy we became. He wanted to sit on a perch like a king and dictate and take money but not actually work for any of it.

 

Any businessperson will tell you that an investor and business owner are two separate things. He was the managing owner and could have done more and he didn't. He is angry because I did not buy him out and the money I gave him was for a completely unrelated business venture to make him feel better and so he would quit threatening us. We had no contract in place for a buy out.

 

We have emails from him that show malice towards me and my girlfriend and acrimony a mile thick. I bent over backwards trying to work with him but he wanted to take advantage of me and get me to pay for his mistake. We both lost money and I don't him anything, he owes us for the lost years we had trying to run the business because we were scared of him and what he might do.

 

Now I have proof of his mal-intent and the postings he had made makes it easier to get a restraining order against him. I left the town I lived in for 15 years because he was stalking me and when he found out he couldn't stalk me anymore, he resorted to going online and smearing me.

 

Mr. H######n has every opportunity to sue me in a court of law should he decide to do that. But my guess is that he talked to a lawyer already and found out he doesn’t have a case and instead now resorts to online attacks to get his way. Additionally he is using innuendo to imply that somehow I am not in compliance with laws when I am. I sell product every day and I am proud to help people find what they need. I have suppliers who all know me by name and some of my suppliers I use, I have been doing business with for over 15 years.

 

All companies have had problems and I am no different. There have been no new complaints against any of my businesses in over a year.

 

Mr. H######n was given the yearly tax filings of the business we started together that were done by a professional that clearly showed we were not making a profit and that business stayed afloat because of mine and my girl friends contributions. He never fully understood that by him not getting the business credit or helping out in any meaningful way, he put the business in a downward spiral. He did not understand simple business principles like the daily sweep of credit cards and went crazy one day demanding to know where the sweep was.

 

It is very disheartening to see my name getting tossed around like this and I apologize to anyone who knows me and who reads this. Mr. H######n has distincted himself as a very diligent bully in that he has smeared me in other forums as well. People who engage in verbal abuse and bullying rarely know they are doing it so it is up to us victims to put an end to it as the perpetrators never really know they are doing it nor do they think it is wrong.

 

What Mr. H######n is doing is not consistent with a person who has a winnable case in court. I never asked Mr. H######n for a loan or an investment. We had an agreement to share equally in the building of the business and to share any profits or losses.

 

Mr. H######n lied to me and his wife about the nature of the money he used to help start the business.  He took out an equity loan against a house to help with the seed money, which is a huge no-no in business. Had I known that, I would never have agreed to start a business together.

 

Finally, notice I have showed restraint and I do not name my attacker. Mr. H######n has a job working with the elderly and I’m sure his employer wouldn’t like to learn about his poor ethics and lack of business acumen.

 

 

 

 

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#5 Author of original report

Hugh Waters is a LIAR

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 07, 2015

Here is an email that we received from Hugh Waters acknowledging that he owes more than $30k to us sent from his Airfree Tire Website.  For him to say this is liable opens him up to more trouble.  I wonder if Bernie Madoff has the top bunk or the bottom bunk.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Air Free <info@airfreetires.com>
Sent: Oct 13, 2013 6:20 PM
To:

>Subject: catching up

Dear ,

Please hang tight. I'm doing what I can and I haven't forgotten about you. This has been a rebuilding year and good things are on the horizon.

I have gotten your emails and I apologize for not writing back. If we had any inventory, you could help yourself but we don't. Everything from the stores has been sold and there aren't any assets you could use.

Please trust me when I say that I'd love to get you paid off. I have no problem with the agreed to amount and I no longer have any issues. Over and over I put myself in your shoes and have a lot of empathy. A lot of the challenges I've put behind me, so like I said, please hang in there.

When I go back years and think about our first meetings and how you were one of the original backers of an airless tire mold, I realize and know that you trusted me and believed in me. I never forget or do I never not appreciate it.

Now that I have more control over the manufacture of airless tires I'm in the position to finally bring a tire to market. This tire will be popular, please see http://www.airlesstiresnow.com/700C-x-20-AirLyte-Monarch-Cizetta-SABEL-Road-Tire_p_63.html

All proceeds from this tire go to my original investors like you, my father and a couple of others. Things never happened as fast as I hoped but I have stayed persistent. The factory is now set up in Cocoa where it was moved from Denver and I am one of the principles involved with its' direction. We have had nothing but set backs for 18 months but the facility is finally producing tires for the first time since December 2011 and I have just started to call Bike Shops.

I'm not promising anything or making any predictions, but when that new tire goes into production, you'll start to see a return on your trust from years ago. And just as soon as I can, I'll start to make payments like we agreed.

Thank you
Hugh

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#4 Author of original report

To quote Hugh in his own words and direct you to what he references

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 07, 2015

To quote Hugh Waters, " This complaint is also very similar to ones that have appeared over the last five years in other complaint forums."

He admits that there are bad reviews about him from other websites over the past five years.  Check these websites for a myriad of complaints, none of which were from me, where his victims state that this was the worst service they ever received.

The Better Business Bureau rating for two of his websites are an F.  To the best of my knowledge, that is a flunking grade.

resellerratings.com/store/Every_Bicycle_Tire

resellerratings.com/store/Air_Free_Tires

bbb.org/central-florida/business-reviews/tire-dealers/air-free-tires-in-new-smyrna-beach-fl-24000243

mysite.reviews/stats/everybicycletire.com

everybicycletires.pissedconsumer.com/category/equipment/product/order-delivery.html

bbb.org/central-florida/business-reviews/bicycle-dealers/every-bicycle-tire-in-new-smyrna-beach-fl-3628037

 

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#3 Author of original report

Proof Against Hugh

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POSTED: Tuesday, July 07, 2015

I am attaching a copy of one check that Hugh wrote us.  He acknowleged that he owed us the money by writing a group of checks post dated on a monthly basis for us to cash. He then told us not to cash because he didn't have funds to cover it.  It was a partial payment on the more than $20,000 debt.  He has since changed his address and has not given us a forwarding address.

Here is the information from clerk.org where he was evicted for failure to pay rent at the last known address that we had for him.  Apparently he victimizes everyone.  Volusia County instrument # 2014085639, DATE 05/14/2014, Book/Page 6988/4428, Judgement $1350.00 plus interest.

If he refutes this, I will upload further proof of his acknowledgment of debt to us and to others.

 

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#2 Author of original report

Wrong

AUTHOR: - ()

POSTED: Tuesday, July 07, 2015

Are you attributing every bad review that you have and your F rating at the Chamber of Commerce to us?  If so, NO.  You earned that ranking and the multitude of reviews all by yourself.  We are just another victim.  We eagerly await contact from your attorney, make sure he includes your return address.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This Is A Hoax

AUTHOR: Hugh - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Monday, July 06, 2015

This complaint is textbook libel and is a hoax.

 

The person who wrote this offers no example of what was purchased or when. Instead the complaint makes for general and disparaging accusations and is intended to damage my reputation. This complaint is also very similar to ones that have appeared over the last five years in other complaint forums.

 

I know who this person is and have asked an attorney to look into what actions I may take.

 

For those who read this libel and become concerned, I can offer references from my trading partners, many of whom I have had accounts with for over 10 years. Please contact me through my Google Plus page.

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