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Complaint Review: Gary Niederhelman, Ironclad Media, GayRoughnecks.com - Internet

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  • Gary Niederhelman, Ironclad Media, GayRoughnecks.com Internet U.S.A.

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Will not delete profile from website. Uses rude, insulting language in correspondance. Said it is ILLEGAL to delete ads from adult websites under federal law 2257.

After MANY emails finally said I could inactivate my account by clicking on a url at the bottom of the email. But if I was using a substandard server like Yahoo, it would not appear because Yahoo didn't not work with the HTML. It is silver text on white background. (Like anyone could see that anyway.)

Claims to be a member of the Free Speech Coalition. I have contacted them and they say there is no grounds for his claim that it is illegal to delete ads. I have written the president of the group to let her know he is a poor representitive of their organization.

I will be sending copies of all my correspondence to the E-Commerce Invertigative Unit in New Jersey where his business is located. (the units address is P.O. Box 45025, Newark, NJ, 07101 if anyone else wishes to file a complaint).

I believe we all should join and file a suit against him for fraud, spaming and harassment. He is rude and totally uncaring about how his business affects us.

Michael
Santa Fe, New Mexico
U.S.A.

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#9 Author of original report

It's now MAY 2008 !!!!

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 11, 2008

I am STILL getting emails from scumbag Niederhelman telling me I have messages on my profile and I have not visited ANY of his sites since 2005. My one year membership would have expired years ago and yet it seems my profile is STILL active.

Several times I have followed the instructions to stop the emails, but they keep on coming. Too bad everyone is out to cheat poor a*****e Niederhelman and get cheap porn.

Maybe he should give up and close his online businesses if we are all such terrible people who make his business such a lousy venture. Boo h*o h*o h*o.

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#8 Author of original report

It's now MAY 2008 !!!!

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 11, 2008

I am STILL getting emails from scumbag Niederhelman telling me I have messages on my profile and I have not visited ANY of his sites since 2005. My one year membership would have expired years ago and yet it seems my profile is STILL active.

Several times I have followed the instructions to stop the emails, but they keep on coming. Too bad everyone is out to cheat poor a*****e Niederhelman and get cheap porn.

Maybe he should give up and close his online businesses if we are all such terrible people who make his business such a lousy venture. Boo h*o h*o h*o.

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#7 Author of original report

It's now MAY 2008 !!!!

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, May 11, 2008

I am STILL getting emails from scumbag Niederhelman telling me I have messages on my profile and I have not visited ANY of his sites since 2005. My one year membership would have expired years ago and yet it seems my profile is STILL active.

Several times I have followed the instructions to stop the emails, but they keep on coming. Too bad everyone is out to cheat poor a*****e Niederhelman and get cheap porn.

Maybe he should give up and close his online businesses if we are all such terrible people who make his business such a lousy venture. Boo h*o h*o h*o.

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#6 Author of original report

Have NOT vistited ANY of his sites since 9/25/05

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 02, 2005

The owner is a liar, a moron and a crook! I have NOT visited ANY of his sites since 9-25-05 and the ONLY reason I had visited his site in the month before 9-25-05 was to try to remove my ad from his site and see if it had been removed.

His logic is twisted and perverted. There is absolutely NO reason he to keep a profile listed once a person asks to have it deleted. Fine, keep the info on file if you must. But you DO NOT have to have the profile online.

The ONLY reason he keeps the ads online is to artificially make his sites look better and more popular than they are!!

Since I have asked him to remove me from his site, I have continued to receive unwanted emails from all of his sites. I have receive and NOT read 24 such emails. IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP VISITING YOUR SITES AFTER THEY ASK TO HAVE THEIR PROFILES REMOVED, THEN REMOVE THEIR PROFILES AND STOP EMAILING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the ONLY such site that takes this kind off approach. EVERY other site is able to delete profiles upon request. And NO OTHER SITE I have visited has EVER SENT ME SO MUCH EMAIL!!!To top it off, I NEVER ASKED FOR MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told him he could keep it!!! I did not ask for a free ride. I paid for my profile and then decided I did not want it to be online anymore.

No other site has the problems you do, besause NO OTHER SITE IS AS DISHONEST, IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL AS YOU SITE IS!!! You are trying to rip people off!! You artificially make your site look better, by holding profiles hostage, making your site look popular. You trick people into joining because the site looks good. Only to find once they join, that a large portion of the people who have joined NEVER visit the site anymore because the site is a wastes of money. Then when they ask to have their profile removed, you use some legal bullshit about porn laws to say you can't and those porn laws DO NOT APPLY to adult profile sites. Then you try to say it's about keeping records to be sure people don't visit your various other sites. First off, you don't NEED to have profiles ONLINE to keep track of who visits your other sites. Second, I doubt very many of the people who paid for a profile and then ask to have it removed, even bother visiting your other sites. And Third, it is relatively simple for you to set up your sites in some other fashion so people would have to sign up for a password that could be would let only the people you want get in. Then you wouldn't have to deal with the "scumbags" as you call them.

The only scumbag in this whole picture is YOU!!

In 12(a) of your Terms of Service it says> Term. This Agreement will continue until your paid subscription period expires, or until terminated by either party as described below.

Well, OK, Call myself and others foolish for not having law degrees and reading every little bit of your document and not understanding what has become obviously intended to be a confusing contract. But when at the begining it says "terminated by EITHER PARTY" it does give the impression that WE (MYSELF and OTHER SUBSCRIBERS) have a way to terminate the contract. It seems that you have gone out of you way to make this a difficult thing to do.

But my question now becomes, WILL MY PROFILE BE REMOVED WHEN MY PAID SUBSCRIPTION ExPIRES?!?!?!

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#5 Author of original report

Have NOT vistited ANY of his sites since 9/25/05

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 02, 2005

The owner is a liar, a moron and a crook! I have NOT visited ANY of his sites since 9-25-05 and the ONLY reason I had visited his site in the month before 9-25-05 was to try to remove my ad from his site and see if it had been removed.

His logic is twisted and perverted. There is absolutely NO reason he to keep a profile listed once a person asks to have it deleted. Fine, keep the info on file if you must. But you DO NOT have to have the profile online.

The ONLY reason he keeps the ads online is to artificially make his sites look better and more popular than they are!!

Since I have asked him to remove me from his site, I have continued to receive unwanted emails from all of his sites. I have receive and NOT read 24 such emails. IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP VISITING YOUR SITES AFTER THEY ASK TO HAVE THEIR PROFILES REMOVED, THEN REMOVE THEIR PROFILES AND STOP EMAILING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the ONLY such site that takes this kind off approach. EVERY other site is able to delete profiles upon request. And NO OTHER SITE I have visited has EVER SENT ME SO MUCH EMAIL!!!To top it off, I NEVER ASKED FOR MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told him he could keep it!!! I did not ask for a free ride. I paid for my profile and then decided I did not want it to be online anymore.

No other site has the problems you do, besause NO OTHER SITE IS AS DISHONEST, IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL AS YOU SITE IS!!! You are trying to rip people off!! You artificially make your site look better, by holding profiles hostage, making your site look popular. You trick people into joining because the site looks good. Only to find once they join, that a large portion of the people who have joined NEVER visit the site anymore because the site is a wastes of money. Then when they ask to have their profile removed, you use some legal bullshit about porn laws to say you can't and those porn laws DO NOT APPLY to adult profile sites. Then you try to say it's about keeping records to be sure people don't visit your various other sites. First off, you don't NEED to have profiles ONLINE to keep track of who visits your other sites. Second, I doubt very many of the people who paid for a profile and then ask to have it removed, even bother visiting your other sites. And Third, it is relatively simple for you to set up your sites in some other fashion so people would have to sign up for a password that could be would let only the people you want get in. Then you wouldn't have to deal with the "scumbags" as you call them.

The only scumbag in this whole picture is YOU!!

In 12(a) of your Terms of Service it says> Term. This Agreement will continue until your paid subscription period expires, or until terminated by either party as described below.

Well, OK, Call myself and others foolish for not having law degrees and reading every little bit of your document and not understanding what has become obviously intended to be a confusing contract. But when at the begining it says "terminated by EITHER PARTY" it does give the impression that WE (MYSELF and OTHER SUBSCRIBERS) have a way to terminate the contract. It seems that you have gone out of you way to make this a difficult thing to do.

But my question now becomes, WILL MY PROFILE BE REMOVED WHEN MY PAID SUBSCRIPTION ExPIRES?!?!?!

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#4 Author of original report

Have NOT vistited ANY of his sites since 9/25/05

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 02, 2005

The owner is a liar, a moron and a crook! I have NOT visited ANY of his sites since 9-25-05 and the ONLY reason I had visited his site in the month before 9-25-05 was to try to remove my ad from his site and see if it had been removed.

His logic is twisted and perverted. There is absolutely NO reason he to keep a profile listed once a person asks to have it deleted. Fine, keep the info on file if you must. But you DO NOT have to have the profile online.

The ONLY reason he keeps the ads online is to artificially make his sites look better and more popular than they are!!

Since I have asked him to remove me from his site, I have continued to receive unwanted emails from all of his sites. I have receive and NOT read 24 such emails. IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP VISITING YOUR SITES AFTER THEY ASK TO HAVE THEIR PROFILES REMOVED, THEN REMOVE THEIR PROFILES AND STOP EMAILING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the ONLY such site that takes this kind off approach. EVERY other site is able to delete profiles upon request. And NO OTHER SITE I have visited has EVER SENT ME SO MUCH EMAIL!!!To top it off, I NEVER ASKED FOR MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told him he could keep it!!! I did not ask for a free ride. I paid for my profile and then decided I did not want it to be online anymore.

No other site has the problems you do, besause NO OTHER SITE IS AS DISHONEST, IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL AS YOU SITE IS!!! You are trying to rip people off!! You artificially make your site look better, by holding profiles hostage, making your site look popular. You trick people into joining because the site looks good. Only to find once they join, that a large portion of the people who have joined NEVER visit the site anymore because the site is a wastes of money. Then when they ask to have their profile removed, you use some legal bullshit about porn laws to say you can't and those porn laws DO NOT APPLY to adult profile sites. Then you try to say it's about keeping records to be sure people don't visit your various other sites. First off, you don't NEED to have profiles ONLINE to keep track of who visits your other sites. Second, I doubt very many of the people who paid for a profile and then ask to have it removed, even bother visiting your other sites. And Third, it is relatively simple for you to set up your sites in some other fashion so people would have to sign up for a password that could be would let only the people you want get in. Then you wouldn't have to deal with the "scumbags" as you call them.

The only scumbag in this whole picture is YOU!!

In 12(a) of your Terms of Service it says> Term. This Agreement will continue until your paid subscription period expires, or until terminated by either party as described below.

Well, OK, Call myself and others foolish for not having law degrees and reading every little bit of your document and not understanding what has become obviously intended to be a confusing contract. But when at the begining it says "terminated by EITHER PARTY" it does give the impression that WE (MYSELF and OTHER SUBSCRIBERS) have a way to terminate the contract. It seems that you have gone out of you way to make this a difficult thing to do.

But my question now becomes, WILL MY PROFILE BE REMOVED WHEN MY PAID SUBSCRIPTION ExPIRES?!?!?!

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#3 Author of original report

Have NOT vistited ANY of his sites since 9/25/05

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Friday, December 02, 2005

The owner is a liar, a moron and a crook! I have NOT visited ANY of his sites since 9-25-05 and the ONLY reason I had visited his site in the month before 9-25-05 was to try to remove my ad from his site and see if it had been removed.

His logic is twisted and perverted. There is absolutely NO reason he to keep a profile listed once a person asks to have it deleted. Fine, keep the info on file if you must. But you DO NOT have to have the profile online.

The ONLY reason he keeps the ads online is to artificially make his sites look better and more popular than they are!!

Since I have asked him to remove me from his site, I have continued to receive unwanted emails from all of his sites. I have receive and NOT read 24 such emails. IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP VISITING YOUR SITES AFTER THEY ASK TO HAVE THEIR PROFILES REMOVED, THEN REMOVE THEIR PROFILES AND STOP EMAILING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the ONLY such site that takes this kind off approach. EVERY other site is able to delete profiles upon request. And NO OTHER SITE I have visited has EVER SENT ME SO MUCH EMAIL!!!To top it off, I NEVER ASKED FOR MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told him he could keep it!!! I did not ask for a free ride. I paid for my profile and then decided I did not want it to be online anymore.

No other site has the problems you do, besause NO OTHER SITE IS AS DISHONEST, IMMORAL AND ILLEGAL AS YOU SITE IS!!! You are trying to rip people off!! You artificially make your site look better, by holding profiles hostage, making your site look popular. You trick people into joining because the site looks good. Only to find once they join, that a large portion of the people who have joined NEVER visit the site anymore because the site is a wastes of money. Then when they ask to have their profile removed, you use some legal bullshit about porn laws to say you can't and those porn laws DO NOT APPLY to adult profile sites. Then you try to say it's about keeping records to be sure people don't visit your various other sites. First off, you don't NEED to have profiles ONLINE to keep track of who visits your other sites. Second, I doubt very many of the people who paid for a profile and then ask to have it removed, even bother visiting your other sites. And Third, it is relatively simple for you to set up your sites in some other fashion so people would have to sign up for a password that could be would let only the people you want get in. Then you wouldn't have to deal with the "scumbags" as you call them.

The only scumbag in this whole picture is YOU!!

In 12(a) of your Terms of Service it says> Term. This Agreement will continue until your paid subscription period expires, or until terminated by either party as described below.

Well, OK, Call myself and others foolish for not having law degrees and reading every little bit of your document and not understanding what has become obviously intended to be a confusing contract. But when at the begining it says "terminated by EITHER PARTY" it does give the impression that WE (MYSELF and OTHER SUBSCRIBERS) have a way to terminate the contract. It seems that you have gone out of you way to make this a difficult thing to do.

But my question now becomes, WILL MY PROFILE BE REMOVED WHEN MY PAID SUBSCRIPTION ExPIRES?!?!?!

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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

One sided story.....

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, December 01, 2005

Nice that this complainant took a partial sentence of our response and twisted it to fit his needs. Fact is, we cannot delete profiles because of people like him. When he returns to one of our many sites, and they almost invariably do, we need to be able to match the troublemaker with their past records across all of our sites/databases. Because of scumbags like this one who think that a company's services should be provided to them for free, we have to keep every record, and every email address and every IP and login time for every user. That way when they cry to sites like this or other agencies we can cover our asses. And it's not like we're trying to rip anyone off. Our subscription prices are consistently lower than any other gay adult site. Typically a year runs $36 to $48 but we regularly have sales selling a year for $24. Now, if you're in the boat with this complainant, take heed: be a responsible internet user, read a sites terms of service BEFORE you create an account, and if you're looking for a free ride, turn off your computer.

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#1 Author of original report

Filed a complaint with the NJ BBB

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Sunday, September 25, 2005

I have filed a complaint with the New Jersey Better Business Bureau. Let's see how Mr. Niederhelman responds to that. If an others want to file to the BBB's address is 1700 Whitehorse Hamilton Square Road, Ste. D-5, Trenton, NJ 08690-3596. info@trenton.bbb.org if you go online. The more complaints filed the better. Mr. Niederhelman will have to change his practices and deal with complaints in a professional, considerate manner.

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