John Kerry Should Never Be In Any Office. Read What True American Vets Are Saying About This Jerk. ripoff and a scammer who has many in the dark about everything he says. Do you want to find out when it is TOO LATE Washington, DC Washington *Consumer Comment.. Discredited smear campaign by Republi-thug liars

I am glad you are one of the few out there who are doing something to help.

I am sorry to say your sister diserved to have her kids taken from her and I am glad you are there to make sure they are taken care of.

So you are well aware of what type of person I am I too am helping my brother-in-law take care of his two children because their mother is a drug addict who has been in and out of corectional facilities sence 18.Charges range from posession to GTA to counterfit cash. This time she is in for violation of probation 8 years when she should be in for life.

I don't know where you got the idea that as you say I am a lier Do you know me NO!!
And giving the homeless shoping carts makes me feel good.

I have bought toys for less fortuniate children who's parents can't afford it. Cooked and served Holiday Meals Not Only for the homeless but those who for one reason or another can't do it for them selve.

My 13 year old daughter has volunteered at the local hospital and meals on wheeles.Something most children her age would not do.

At one time in my life I was one of those people who had to rely on the kindness of strangers to provide food and Holiday Items for my family.
So don't you dare tell me that I am a lier and I am trying to make myself feel good by providing shopping carts for the homeless.

I am returning a favor and serving my community.

Oh and the point I was trying to get across to the jerk before you was how he made himself sound superior because he had to change jobs to keep food on the table. We all have to make changes some more than others. I just wanted to get across that there are alot of people out there that don't care about anyone but them selves.

I am Glad you arn't one of them.
God Bless You For What You Have Sacerficed and Done For Your Sisters Kids.

Not to burst your bubble Char, but some people actually do more than little gestures that make them feel like they are doing something to help.

Like providing shopping carts for the homeless, give me a break.

Two years ago, the state removed my sister-in-law's children from her home due to extreme filth and drug use.

My wife & I have since taken these girls in, age 10 and 13 now, and have adopted them. This makes them legally ours and a lifelong responsibility. Our own kids are grown and on their own already, youngest, 27.

So next time when you swallow the lie that only the liberals care, don't be so shallow as to believe everything they tell you.

The Bush agenda has nothing to do with the safety or prosperity of the adverage American. He has consistantly moved toward his own twisted agenda in declaring a war against a government that.While decidedly evil, was completely contained. The only terrorism that maniac Saddam soported was $25'000 dollar payments to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers who chose to give thier lives while taking out people they percieved as oppresive overlords. While I would never make exscuses for terrorists or thier supporters, Saddams regime, while evil was no threat to the U.S.A.

When we realize that leading by example, Instead of force ,we will not appear weak and inefectual by other nations. On the contrary we will be a shining example for future democracies that a strong defense of our own nation and a much more compassionate policy toward our own citizens, will show the world that the Grand Experiment is a resounding success. You cannot export Democracy to the unwilling or unprepared. Especially by use of force. Let's bring our valliant fighting men and women home to protect our wonderful nation. And dispel the World of the assumtion that if they can't behave the way they should, we are not coming to straighten out thier problems. However, the nations of the world should be constantly reminded of the fact that any threat to America will be dealt with quickly and decisively without the blessings of any other entity wether national or international.We are the greatest nation this world has ever seen. It will not take our being the policemen of the planet or use of force to prove this. Only a good and restrained example can truly achieve our goal of a peaceful democratic world.

Yes I am emotional and it has nothing to do with the ELECTION.

Good for you!! You had to change jobs to keep food on the table. Would you like a medal?

What about those who have no choice? You make it sound like it is so easy to just go out and get a job. Maybe where you live but not here in California.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR ROSE COLORED EYES!!
I really don't care any more about weather Kerry won or lost.

I do care however about people with attitutes like yours who think life is easy and full of opportunities.

It isn't easy and the opportunities are no longer there.

Please tell me: Who's to blame ? The person who is homeless? NO !!

The person who lost their job for reasons that had nothing to do with them? NO!!!

The child who gets ill because their family can't afford medication? NO!!!

It is people like you and the GOVERNMENT not just BUSH the GOVERNMENT as a WHOLE.

You sit on your butts and care about nothing but yourselves. That is truly what is wrong with this world.

The way you think about the homeless and jobless is the same as if I seen someone dying and I just stood around doing nothing to help even though I am a trained Medical Assistant.

You don't care because it is not you. Well I hope you are never put in that position.

How long are ALL of us going to keep this up?

Back and forth instead of letting it die?

Until the next election ?

I for one have better things to do with my time then sit around typing back and forth to All of you for the next 4 years.

Like helping the less fortuniate.

Something you could never do!!!!!

It's a pity you all cannot separate feelings from facts. Your candidate is an expert on rhetoric, sounding like he would do something, or sounding like he was for something to get votes.

The reality is, Kerry never accomplished anything except to commit treason with North Vietnam,(his picture is in their war museam as one of their hero's), not to mention when he brought additional pain & suffering to our POW's while they were in North Vietnam prison's.

Now, after a measly 4 months in Vietnam, he claims to be a war hero. But you don't want to hear what his fellow soldiers observed. Over two hundred actual witnesses to his actual performance.

How many facts can you ignore in order to retain your misguided opinion?

How about Kerry's recent attempt to portray himself as a hunter? In reality, every time there was an opportunity to vote to ban guns or take away our 2nd amendment rights, he did so.
As I said, Kerry is an expert at portraying himself as one thing but doing another.

Fortunately, the majority of the American public was not fooled even when the press ignored his record and cooperated with the facade he presented.

The idea is to get back into power. If you think for one minute that super rich Kerry is really concerned with the homeless, look at his tax records for his contrubution record. A couple of hundred dollars a year unless, he's running for office, then it goes up dramatically.

Don't accept the hype until you check the facts, or maybe you would prefer to remain one of those who never let the facts get in the way of your opinions. It's one thing to do something to make you feel good, it's quite another to actually do something that creates meaningful change.

Like the old saying goes, you give someone food, they are fed for a day, you teach them how to grow their own food, you feed them for a lifetime. I have had to change my profession many times in order to keep food on the table. You can give up, whine, look for entitlements from your local democrats who are looking for a voter base, or you can get off you duff and go to work.
Remember, this country that you want to change so much, is the one all the imigrants want to go to. The only ones who want to leave are the Democrats who have swallowed the hype about how bad we are.

Have a more thoughtful day and try fighting to keep our freedoms instead of giving them away to the United Nations or to keep the French happy.

Reid: I had a gut feeling Bush would get another 4 years. We can't change it, what is done is done.We can move on and try to make the best out of a bad situation.

Yes, I am most sure we ALL will be watching the interesting events unfold infront of our eyes. A whole new SHOCK & AWE.

Like the press in London reported 59+Million people who voted Bush back in must be dumb. You are correct in using the term it is just like "battered Women's syndrom" you get abused, you need to leave, but you still continue to return for more.

Lets pray that it is a better 4 years than the last 4 and lets hope it turns out to be a peaceful one as well.

Unfortunatly as much as we as a Nation will suffer the ones that will really suffer are our children and our childrens,children.

GOD BLESS YOU REID AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Reid: I had a gut feeling Bush would get another 4 years. We can't change it, what is done is done.We can move on and try to make the best out of a bad situation.

Yes, I am most sure we ALL will be watching the interesting events unfold infront of our eyes. A whole new SHOCK & AWE.

Like the press in London reported 59+Million people who voted Bush back in must be dumb. You are correct in using the term it is just like "battered Women's syndrom" you get abused, you need to leave, but you still continue to return for more.

Lets pray that it is a better 4 years than the last 4 and lets hope it turns out to be a peaceful one as well.

Unfortunatly as much as we as a Nation will suffer the ones that will really suffer are our children and our childrens,children.

GOD BLESS YOU REID AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Reid: I had a gut feeling Bush would get another 4 years. We can't change it, what is done is done.We can move on and try to make the best out of a bad situation.

Yes, I am most sure we ALL will be watching the interesting events unfold infront of our eyes. A whole new SHOCK & AWE.

Like the press in London reported 59+Million people who voted Bush back in must be dumb. You are correct in using the term it is just like "battered Women's syndrom" you get abused, you need to leave, but you still continue to return for more.

Lets pray that it is a better 4 years than the last 4 and lets hope it turns out to be a peaceful one as well.

Unfortunatly as much as we as a Nation will suffer the ones that will really suffer are our children and our childrens,children.

GOD BLESS YOU REID AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Char-
Your main point was on jobs being shipped overseas. What about the jobs that are shipped into this country? If we ban the outsourcing of jobs and other countries stop sending jobs into the US we will lose 3 times the number of jobs that we would gain. I think what also turned people off is knowing that the company that his wife's family built is shipping their jobs overseas even though Mrs. Kerry has nothing to do with that.

It's not going to be president Arnold in 4 years, I think it will more likely be President Hilary. Then we are all in trouble.

Hey there Char, along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Char, I'm sorry to be the one who needs to break it to you, but what's done is done. You have done an excellent job in informing the public, as to why Kerry would have made a better leader, but as they say, stubborness always prevails.

Although you and I, can come up with many different reasons as to why many groups had no excuse for voting for bush, the fact remains, that too many people in this world suffer from what I refer to as "battered women mentality".
Keep wanting more?

I guess we'll never understand it.

Through four very long, frustrating and miserable years, Bush has clearly shown, that he is not for the working or middle class.

Bush has clearly demonstrated his overwhelming interest in Iraq and the middle east, as opposed to the United States of America. A region, that could care less about him, what he's trying to accomplish, or what he claims to stand for.

He has been willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of innocent troops and middle east civilians, for what could very well be his own personal agenda. Keep in mind, that 9/11 WAS NEVER meant to be an attack on America!

Terrorists are bad people, but are far from being stupid, in that if they have intented on harming innocent U.S. civilians, are fully aware, that there were many better places to target than the ones chosen.

The fact that these terrorists have targeted only certain areas associated with government, proves beyond a reasonable doubt, that it's not U.S. civilian lives they were interested in.

Char, there's absolutely nothing you, I, or anyone could do at this point, that would change things for the better. This war may possibly turn out to be the worst blood bath the world has ever witnessed... and for what?

The answer has yet to be revealed.

All we can do is kick back, relax and watch the many events, that we knew were going to happen unfold in front our very eyes. We need to accept the fact, that Mr. Bush will be our leader for the next four years and embrace and support his every decision.

Until next time, take care Char, along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

I am a realist and the rest of you are either BRAIN WASHED or BRAIN DEAD.

You are niave if you think that FOUR more years of BUSH won't cost us ALL.

Jobs,Healthcare,Social Security,Lives!!

History has a tendancy of repeating it self.

What is next? Rationing food and gas?
Bring back the days of men waiting in long lines for a few measly jobs? Soup kitchen lines?

Let me tell you A REAL COLD HARD FACT!!! That you and all Bush Supporters can Thank your Great Presidentand yourselves for!!!

I live in California the Bay Area to be exact. My daughter and I volunteer to help make Turkey dinners for those less fortunate during the Holidys. A NON Profit Called The League Of Volunteers is now the only place that provides food, clothing and meals to places like The Salvation Army and other food lockers in Alameda County.

I have seen an increase in needy families who can't afford Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners or gifts for their children. Why because they lost their jobs to those who will work cheap over seas. Thank You George W. Bush Jr.

The League Of Volunteers is a NON-PROFIT so they get NO Governmental Assistance What so ever. The rely solely on the kindness of local businesses,Fundraisers and BINGO.

The person that left a Rebuttal before you stated that we are paying for Kerry's homes. We are paying for The Bush Ranch, The White House and all the Business's that he and Chenny own.


Who pays for our HOMELESS ? Not the Government!! We cast them aside like they are dirt!! Yes some of them have chosen that life for themselves but not as many who have no choice.

So many of us live complasent lives.Try putting yourself their shoes for once?

A lot of you think:

"Oh that could never happen to me" well guess what? Never say Never!!

Here is a good examlpe: A mother who made over a Hundred-Thousand a year looses her job because it went over seas and she became unemployeed for over a year and had to rely on the kindness of others. So see it happens to every walk of life. It dosen't discriminate agianst color,creed or weather you are poor working class or Bill Gates it can happen and it will continue until BUSH is succeeded.

Yes we ALL have to suck it up and deal with it and that is fine, I have the right as an AMERICAn to have my own belives as do you.

4 more years of terror,death ,distruction,loss of homes, jobs, healthcare is what you all want fine.

4 more years of BUSH and then It's President "ARNOLD".

Just do us ALL a favor and don't compalne when things get worse and all of us KERRY supporters say: WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

Thank you

GOD HELP & BLESS US ALL!!!!

Well the people have spoken, and it looks like the lies, inuendo, spin and downright nastiness didn't work.

One might ask themselves if belonging to the party that is known for breaking into republican headquarters accross the country, stealing election signs, and generally being nasty, is a good thing?

In terms of Kerry's being a "man of the common people", who is he kidding? He is an elitest snob who probably wouldn't give you the time of day if you couldn't help him get elected.

And for all his tax rhetoric, he paid about 12% on his income compared to Bush's 30% on his. Again it's listen to what I say, don't look at what I have done.

Anyway, now that we can breath easy, just think, you won't have to worry about getting the French's permission to sneeze now and we won't be handing over our sovereignty to the U.N. And you probably won't have to worry about being forced to wear a burka 10-20 years from now.

Enjoying the day and the return to sanity.

Secret Service Detail for Kerry - A Must Read


Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even richer. Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When someone is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and family as well as their property - for as long as the president and his spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million

As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several foreign properties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we won't mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home will come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the properties - they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend. Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each property. Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us.

Bill Clinton is paying for his New York manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more than his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he pockets the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. Then he gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from defending hi! s immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property would require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the rest of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration. Do the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets say
> > each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will also be vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all but two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does it make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's his party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security. Which America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!

Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent properties. We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs. Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!

Well it seems I was wrong only one Rebuttal before the Election,and it's my own.

I am very suprised that there were no comments made regarding my last Rebuttal. Maybe somepeople have changed their minds maybe not.

Please Get Out And Vote 11-02-04. Change can't be made if you don't rise up and voice your opinion's.

Good Luck & God Bless!!!!!

Well it looks like Bush steped in it again. I am sure you and the other Bush Supporters will turn this around to make it look like it is a good thing . I am talking about the new Osama tape .

Osama doesn't care who is President because as he says, it won't help us no matter who it is.

Osama took full responsibility for the Attack on the World Trade Center and the U.S. So if this is true then why did Bush go to Iraq in the first place. Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it!!

I told you it was his own personal agenda that fuled the attack on Iraq.

In my eyes this new evidence makes Bush look worse than he already does.

How can anyone VOTE for him after this ?

What A Shame!!!

I am sure you will come back with some below the belt response to all of this "Bring It On"
I am sure that I will be sending at least 2 more Rebuttal's before the Election.

Look foward to hearing from you.

Hi John, Char, along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

John, let's keep this discussion clean and above the belt.

JOHN'S STATEMENT: Michael Moore was on Bill Mahr's show and admitted that the majority of Farenheit was staged. If you are ignorant to take this as fact you are no better that he is. The democrats support Michael Moore but want tv stations not to allow programs with veterans to tell the truth of vietnam.
since when do we have selective censorship in this country? Imagine the Lawsuit that Kerry would file if someone made a movie like Farenheit about John Kerry's voting record and flip flopping.

MY RESPONSE: Common John, you're smarter than that. I suppose you actually believe, that the president himself, along with all his coleauges, agreed to have the MANY genuine news footage compiled and produced into a documentary, as to slander and defame themselves.

Again I ask you, what part of the documentary do you supppose have been staged? Oh, and by the way, I do recall seeing most of the news footage, as they've unfolded, as did most Americans, that have a television and CNN.

Of course, there are segments in the documentary, that definitely have been staged, although I do not believe for a second, that these were Michael Moore's exact words.

These segments possibly include, but are not limited to, "Afghanastan", "Coalition Of The Willing", "Vacation", "Dragnet" and a few others. Segments, where the intent was to make the documentary more entertaining.

We live in a country, where one would be punished, if he or she ever decided to compile a bunch of "half truths" to market.

JOHN'S STATEMENT: You say 9-11 happened on Bush's watch but you are forgetting thast Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden and let him go

MY RESPONSE: Yes, I did say that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. I'm not sure, whether or not, Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden and let him go , but if he did, I'm sure he had a legitimate reason for doing so.

As Char mentioned in an earlier post, only time will tell whether change will occur, or whether we all suffer another four years with a president, that has a bigger interest in the Middle East, than he does the United States.

Until next time, take care John, Char, along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid: Thank you. I am glad to see there are level headed, Educated peopleout there who won't stand for any more of BUSHES B.S.
Keep the faith.God Bless.

John & The Rest Of The BUSH Supporters:

You look at what Kerry does but you can't seem to get those ROSE COLORED GLASSES off of your face when it comes to BUSH.

Bush is the bigest Two Faced Lier On The Face Of The Earth.
Have you checked out BUSHES latest FLUB? Doctoring pictures of troops to make it look like there was more in the crowd.
What about the new documents that came out regarding HELL-aberton and how they got the bid to "rebuild" Iraq.

Kerry is Catholic yet believes in Abortion Correct when it is a matter of Rape or can cause illness and death to the mother and the child.
I have seen women abuse the system as a use for birth control.

Kerry is a Catholic yet supports gay marriage. More power to those who want to be together.

The good old "Vice President's" daughter is gay and yet he won't support her. What a wonderful Dad.To turn his back on his own child.

Well all I have to say is we will all see who prevails on 11-02-04.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!! Get Out There And Vote!!!!

Char:

A democratic group in Georgia has been caught red handed paying people to file completed voters registration forms. Forms have been found to have the exact same handwriting and signatures. The group said no comment and charges are pending. Where has this happened in Florida???

The war was Bush'd call and the was given to him and supported by the senate including John Kerry. If any Kerry supporter denies this they are bold faced liars and can't see the facts. I think 4 yearts of Kerry who changes his view based on political climate is more dangerous. He says he is for a womens right of abortion but claims he is a catholic???? He will not support the marriage ammendmenst but says in the debate he is a devout christian? Talk about a kiss a*s suckup.

Reid-
Michael Moore was on Bill Mahr's show and admitted that the majority of Farenheit was staged. If you are ignorant to take this as fact you are no better that he is. The democrats support Michael Moore but want tv stations not to allow programs with veterans to tell the truth of vietnam.
since when do we have selective censorship in this country? Imagine the Lawsuit that Kerry would file if someone made a movie like Farenheit about John Kerry's voting record and flip flopping.

You say 9-11 happened on Bush's watch but you are forgetting thast Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden and let him go

Hey Char along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

You are absoulutely right, about the problems that Mr. Bush and his father have created. The documentary Fahrenheit just about sums it up.

It's really sad, that many people (Bush supporters) insist on remaining oblivious to what's going on in this world, even after witnessing it first hand. What makes it even worst, is when people have the audacity to point the finger.

9/11 happened on the republican's watch, therefore it is they, that needs to burden this responsibility.

Republicans or politicians in general, need to stop trying to police the world, where their efforts and presence are not appreciated to begin with, and start focusing on America instead.

How many people need to die, for something that will most likely not benefit the American people in any way? If Bush is truly concerned about the security of the American people, he should start considering all of the enemies, him and his dad have mounted and continue to do so.

Michael Moore was 100% accurate and justified, when attempting to convince members of congress to send their very own children to Iraq.

How in the world did I know, that the majority of them would scatter like a bunch of sissies? The last guy shown, was the biggest pansy I've ever seen. Is this the kind of people you want running your country?

It's no doubt, that a lot of what politics entails, are nothing but hype and empty promises, but when the commander in chief, is attempting to better his own family's personal interests, with the enemies in question, while at the expense of many innocent lives, than you have a serious problem.

It's taking far too long, and the American people have heard far too many excuses, as to why Osama Bin Ladin have not been captured and brought to justice yet. 3 years? WAKE UP FOLKS!

Until next time, take care Char along with Everyone else, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Come on you expect me to believe that the Government doesn't strong arm people when they don't want the truth to get out ? What rock do you live under ?

I do believe that to an extent ALL Government officials are crupt. Bush, Kerry, Arnold, ALL of them.

You asked me what I tought about Kerry paying people for votes ? What about Bush ? He doing the same thing in Florida because his brother is Florida's Governor. No difference is there ?
He did the same thing 4 years ago with Gore.

Yes Kerry has dodged alot of questions, but so has Bush. Bush dodges them because he knows he fouled things up and can't come back with a good enough or believable enough LIE.

Yes Kerry said that he was for the war and he still is but he would have handled it differently.

I my self support the troops,but I do not support the war.

What I don't believe in is sending a man who has a six year old child to Iraq because he is the Armys equivalint to a Navy S.E.A.L.
Oh and he happens to be my Brother-In-Law.

What I don't believe in is the fact that more service men and women will be lkilled before they even get a chance to see their family again if only for a breif moment.

Yes, Kerry would leave troops over there,but he would also send in NEW service Men & Women who are more prepared and less stressed.
Those that have been there sence this esculated would come HOME.

I do not have respect for someone who takes it upon himself to send us into war when it isn't his call. Bush knew his agenda was to clean up the mess his father created and couldn't finish.

I am optimistic that Persident Bush will not serve another 4 years and I feel sorry for the new Comander and Chief who has to clean up the mess.

So you are calling Dan Rather a wimp. Dan Rather would not retract a story because someone in government told him to. It was probably a democreat that was this "source" for the story. CBS News admitted that they did not check the sources or the validity of the story.

As to WMD John Kerry had the same info as the president and yet he voted for the war? So if I understand you then John Kerry was wrong but thet's OK. Bush had information that he believed was reliable and that is wrong. Why are you not blaming your own candidate?

How come every time there is a Kerry ad he is attacking Bush and not talking about the issues?
Was he involved with the "Democratic" group in Georgia that was getting people to falsify Voter Registrations for pay?????

Well like I stated before we all have our opinion.

Dan Blather? Grow up!! I don't let anyone think for me.

At least Kerry fought, BUSH hid behind his daddy's coat tails like he is right now. If Kerry didn't deserve those Purple Hearts they wouldn't have been given to him.

As far as your Dan Blather comment, do you really think he retracted those statments because he was in the wrong. NOT!!

He was probably stong armed by your O So Great President because God forbid the real truth should come out. Like the real truth about WMD's, there were none.

What about the Comment "if you don't vote for Bush you are asking for another attack". give me a break.Bush Supporters seem to think Bush is doing a great job yet we are out of jobs, Bush Supporters think Bush is helping Iraq . Ha!!!

They are hopeing like HE.L that Bush stays in office so more of our men and women get killed,and more blood is shed in the U.S.A. Like the editorial I wrote for our local news paper.

If you think we are living free you are sadly mistaken. How can we live free when we are being told there are "CREDITABLE SOURCES" who say we are going to be attacked.

How can we be free when our own President and Vice President say a NO vote for Bush is asking for another attack on American soil.What about a V.P. who says Go F Your self. Is that a way to run a country. NOT!!!

Anyone but a BUSH is better to serve this Country as PRESIDENT,and I vote for KERRY!!!!! So Vote for Bush but don't complain when we a a nation go to HE.L in a hand basket.

His record if you care to objectively look at it, is more socialist than mainstream. It is a study in listen to what I say, don't examine what I have done. If you place little value on your freedoms, go ahead vote for Kerry, he will have no problem giving as many of your freedoms away as he can.

As for your comments on Bush Sr. & Jr., you seem to forget the 8 years in between when another liberal whose own self serving interests were more important than dealing with the growing terrorist threat. He could have taken out Bin Laden but ignored the threat. It took years to plan 9/11. The years that Clinton was in office.

To say that terroism grew as a result of the Bush's only shows that you choose to ignore the facts for the party line. It is the Bush's who have actually done something to combat terror. It is Clinton and Kerry who have done nothing except throw every road block they can in the way of the intelligence community and the military.

Try objectively thinking for yourself instead of letting Dan Blather do it for you.

Just break the "Big Party" habit before they suck this country down the drain.

There are no less than twelve other parties, but not all parties appear on the ballot in every state.

Libertarians are on the ballot in 48 states and anyone can be written in in any state.

The "Big Parties" work for themselves and they are not guaranteed to be the only game in town. There is no law saying citizens MUST vote either Democratic or Republican.

Send a message. Break away and vote for someone (anyone) else!

Whip their butts and send them home to Mama before they ruin us all.

Exercise your rights while you still have some.

While you have the right to believe what you want, it sickens me to see those who would rather have the U.S.A. go to He.l than see someone who is better serve this country. 4 more years of BUSH will cause us all pain. There was no terror threats to the U.S.A until Sr. and Jr. became president. so should you get your wish and we have to put up with Bush for another 4 years god help us all

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It's really sad to see how many people have been sucked into the lying spin machine of John Kerry. If it is not transparently evident that this man and the extreme left wing will do and say anything to regain power, you have to be hiding your head in the sand.

The question of wether you should vote for a man who is a hero of the vietnam war, but not a hero of America, a hero of the North Vietnamese for aiding and abetting their cause, is simple.

An autobiography written by the commanding general of vietnam says that if it were not for the efforts of people like John Kerry, North Vietnam would have given up.

If the above is not enough, just the fact that John Kerry caused one second of increased pain and torture for our POW's should be enough to eliminate him from any thinking person's choices for our highest office of the land.

For me, the fact that he testified under oath before congress that he committed war crimes means that a vote for him is a vote for a war criminal. If he lied under oath, then he's a liar. Which part of a liar or a war criminal appeals to you?

The man's actions and his rhetoric are two different things. Like how he is trying to portray himself as a hunter. His record has been consistently against the second amendment.

He will have no problem letting the corrupt United Nations decide if we should keep our guns, be prosecuted for alleged wrong doing by a world court by judges who already dislike us.

After reading the comments of the vets who served with Kerry, my feeling is that I would not want this person watching my back no matter what the situation is.

I don't agree with everything Bush does, but when you contrast him with Kerry, there is no choice. I would not want to work for an elitest snob, be his friend, have him for a president, or trust him with my country. Let alone the fact that he is a traitor with a more liberal record than Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton.

Keep the faith and vote for integrity, not the latest spinning lie.

OK now it is my turn Mr. Ralph Nader. Let's you and I get some things clear for all to read. We had Billary in the ORAL office claiming they had a health care PACKAGE. Yeah right we, the American Public got NOTHING from that because they did NOTHING!

Ralph WE as Tax Paying Americans are sick and tired of all these so called do gooder's saying they are going to make it better for us working folks. We have the DEMO-Craps that only DEMO what they are going to do and that's it DEMO!

The only thing the DEMO's do is give to the lazy and these that do not get the fact that it takes HARD WORK to get a head in life. Seems to me that the DEMO's want us all to believe that we all need hand outs from them, They use the FREE HAND outs to get reelected.

All of the laws that have been passed that give or cater to the lazy in this country have been put in place by a DEMO-CRAP and you know it. Look at Senator Kennedy. He has been in office WAY TOO LONG. Can you say OLD HAT? Time for some new faces new ideas that help the American public make it on their own without a bucket load of government hand outs that the working people have to pay for. We are taxed more then we need to be.

Let's face it. We get taxed more so our government a Holes can give more away to the lazy in this country. The working people in this country are TIRED of the lazy getting a FREE RIDE. Time to put the MOOCH on the bus headed to WORK!

We have a big back door that is wide open for more of 911 A Holes and no body sees it or is doing anything to close it because they don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. I say to HELL with feelings and get real tuff with loose and open doors into this country.

We working folks are SICK and TIRED of the lazy getting a FREE RIDE. This country Kisses the a*s of the lazy people in this country. It is HIGH TIME we make all understand that you get what you EARN, not what we can get for free from our DEMO CRAPS in office. You trying to get into the ORAL office is a joke and you know it. What makes you thing you can do us working folks any good?

I mean hell, you dropped the ball when it comes to the consumers buying cars. Let me provide you with the proof on that. Go to the below Rip Off Reports and you tell me where to have helped the American consumer. Car buyers are NOT being protected from the deceptive ways of car dealers and the proof is below.

FACE IT Ralph you dropped the ball! Do you think we want you to do that if you were to get in office?

Our government should being protecting us from FRAUD and deceptive ways of big companies, BUT NO! They can't do that. They want the big PAC money they get from the big boys in the auto industry.

I could not get 3TV in Phoenix to air a story about car buyers that might not get safety recalls after buying new cars. I feel they did not want to air the story because of the big money they get from car dealer advertisements.

Here below is what I feel is proof that you dropped the ball when it comes to American consumers.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff4471.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff4393.htm
http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff4112.htm

Spend some time reading this Rip Off Report. Car dealers now that no one in our government will do anything to them. The FTC does NOT go after the dealers who have VERY DECEPTIVE advertising ways. So many consumers think or have been lead to believe that they have a 3 day cooling off period after buying a car. Nobody in our government will do a DAMM thing to dirty car dealers except 1 person. He is Mr. Eliot Spitzer.

Go to these URL's below and read how Mr Eliot Spitzer kicks that asses of dirty car dealers. s**t, if you ask me that is the guy that can show proof that he is out for the Americans not you! Maybe we should put him on the ballot and s**t can your name.

New York's AG's office goes after car dealers that they feel are not playing fair! This guy is willing to after the big money boys that bend the American consumer over.

Ralph one would think that Ford Motor Corp would be a bit pissed off as to what this car dealer was alleged to be doing
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/jan/jan14b_02.html

How about some REAL TRUTH in LENDING Ralph!
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/aug/aug09a_01.html

Here is some more proof that he would be better then you.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2003/mar/mar18b_03.html
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2003/mar/mar12b_03.html
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/1999/jul/jul14b_99.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2000/oct/oct26a_00.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/nov/nov07a_02.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/dec/dec13e_01.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/dec/dec13b_01.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2001/may/may30b_01.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/apr/apr19b_02.html

Hey Ralph do you thing this VICTIM got a bit bent over? Look at the second and third pictures on this Rip Off Report.
http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/reports/ripoff52158.htm

I would debate you when it comes to doing something for the American public ANYDAY. You find the TV station, Newspaper or talk radio station and I will kick your a*s in a live debate. I feel that your ways and abilities are out dated and OLD HAT. Look at the pole numbers that you are getting. I would have to hide my face with those numbers.

Hey Everyone,

I hope that this message finds you in good spirit and health. I recently received an email from a good friend of mind and thought I'd share it with ever one, for I found it to be a really interesting read. ENJOY!!

Love him or loath him, he nailed this one right on the head.............

By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving the country in Uniform are profound.

No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.

If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.


If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.

Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.

Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad.

Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month, and most are now equal to being millionaires plus.

They also do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.

If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.

"When do we finally do something about this?" If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.If your interested there is more.......................

This must be a campaign issue in 2004. Keep it going.

SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth the read. It's short and to the point.)

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congressmen do not pay into Social Security. Many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. For all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die, except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.

For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000 - that's Seven Million, Eight Hundred Thousand), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each. Their cost for this excellent plan is $00.00. These little perks they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan.

The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Fund--our tax dollars at work! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into -- every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) --we can expect to get an average $1,000 per month after retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. And that change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators an Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us and then watch how fast they would fix it.

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. WE, each one of us... can make a difference..

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Dear candidate Kerry,

I hope that this message finds you in good spirit and health.

This rebuttal is intended for presidential candidate John Kerry, or any member of his cabinet.

I was wondering what John Kerry's take on scams might be, or if he was even planning to address the issue anytime during his campaign. I think it would be a marvelous idea for him to do so.

Candidly addressing this issue, especially on this website, may possibly win him millions of votes, as you can see, Bush's regime seem least interested in the millions of people that are harmed by businesses like "fatty" Pearlman's.

Anyways, eveyone already knows, that it's far too late for Bush to even acknowledge this topic. Bush, like his father, has clearly demonstrated, that war is amongst his top priority.

He insists on putting the best interest on people from another country, before his very own people, all of which don't even appreciate him or what he's trying to accomlish, nor ever will.

I don't really wish to discuss politics, but things seem to have faltered under Bush's leadership. Don't believe me? Just look at the amount of scams, that have mounted over the past few years.

I would like to see the Democrats get another shot at cleaning up what the republicans have screwed up. Far too many people nowadays, are "looking the other way".

I sometimes feel as though, politicians need to start getting more involved in the many problems at home, including scams and start taking partial accountability for all the "fat-boys" of society.

I think that Bush shouldn't have overly concerned himself over a country, that could give a rat's a*s about him, or the U.S. and focused more of his attention on our own problems back here in the United States.

The fact that Bush constantly makes more enemies, than the United States military could possibly handle, works far in Kerry's favor. Kerry needs to act upon this and seriously take advantage of this opportunity. GOLDEN!!

Obviously, scams are a very important issue and may possibly even be the winning ticket for the democrats to win the White House.

I guess my point is, whichever candidate is more in favor of eliminating scams, would also be more in favor of the rip off report and it's many great benefits. As far as the republicans are concered however, it just may be a little too late.

George Bush made a wonderful president, but I'm afraid his time may have past. It's just that I'm a little disappointed in the outcome.

To our future president Kerry: I sincerely hope, that bringing scamsters to justice is a big priority on your agenda.

If you're ever interested in establishing a special task force to assist you in the cleanup, I'd like to nominate Frank and the creator of this website. Unlike many other's, they have proven they will never just "look the other way".

I hope that you also start protecting peoples free speech, by cleansing the courts of the many frivilous ("extortion for hire") type lawsuits.

Frivilous: Not worthy of any serious attention. In my opinion, any lawsuit or accusation, that stood very little or no chance to be won in the "publc eye", but for some very shady reason,
prevailed "behind closed doors". TCT

Whatever it is you decide to do, please start placing a greater emphasis on bettering America and not the middle east.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

April 28, 2004



President George W. Bush

Bush-Cheney '04, Inc.

P.O. BOX 10648

Arlington, VA 22210



Re: Labor Policy



Dear President Bush:



The federal minimum wage has been frozen at $5.15 per hour. Had it been adjusted for inflation since 1968, it would be around $8 an hour, indicating how much today's minimum wage is below that of 1968 in real purchasing power.



What is your policy regarding raising the federal minimum wage to a living wage and to what level over the next five years would you raise it in stages? If your response is no raise, please explain how a worker facing rising prices since 1968 is expected to live on, much less support, a family on that amount of income.



The Taft Hartley Act of 1947 is a major and multiple obstruction to the right of American workers to form their own independent trade unions. Union membership is down to 10 percent of the private workforce - the lowest in 65 years. A majority of workers are making less today than workers made in 1973, adjusted for inflation. What provisions of the Taft-Hartley Act would you repeal and what strategy and timetable would you deploy? What additional labor law reforms would you propose?



What proposals would you advance to enhance union democracy while avoiding the "freeloader" problem? What is your position on so-called right to work laws in various states, from the viewpoint of federal pre-emption to either end them or federalize them?



I look forward to your response to these issues. I doubt either of you have to worry where your next meal is coming from. The Bin Ladin family will have you over for dinner soon enough. I am sick of you sending jobs overseas, so your corporate pals can give themselves a raise.



Sincerely,

This is a widely discredited smear campaign against Sen. Kerry. Even one of the principal liars, Lieutenant Commander George Elliott, recanted his lie, saying he regrets doing it. (See http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry).



None of the liars in this smear campaign ever served even for a single minute with Kerry, yet they claim they did.



Roy Hoffmann, chairman and co-founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, changes his story every few weeks about whether he even knew Kerry in Vietnam.



A co-author of the Swift Boat Vets attack book is Jerome Corsi, a racist bigot (has made public derogatory comments about Catholics, the Pope, Moslems, gays and lots of others) who was hired by Richard Nixon and George W. Bush specifically to smear John Kerry.



Republi-thug mouthpieces in the media, such as Faux News blowhards Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, continue to report the story, even though it has been discredited. (Hey, when has Faux News ever been truthful?)



For links to MANY stories in the mainstream press that uncover this unraveling smear campaign and the lying thugs behind it, see http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050001.

Okay,

We will talk about actions. Let's talk about the actions of two young men... Now, every person makes errors in their life... it is called the maturing process.



JK took action. He went to Vietnam and experienced first hand the war. He took action and presented himself. There are many that served that came back disillusioned about our role in that war. Because they fought for the right to free speech they came back and presented their views on the war from their prospective.



GWB took college defferments and then a stint in the Air Guard where it was a haven for rich kids. He didn't serve overseas, so it is pretty easy for him to have a different prespective than JK's. After all, what about Vietnam was person to him?



Again, a silver spoon is a silver spoon. To attack JK and completely ignore the exact same thing in GWB is not intellectually honest.



Sure, GWB has convictions. If they conflict with the constitution, well, at least he has convictions. As far as his Christian beliefs, they only seem to be obvious when it comes to abortion and same sex marriages.



Christ talked a lot about compassion, giving, love for the less fortunate. Whatever happened to his "Compassionate conservativism"?



These aren't "socialist" or "Communist" words. They were the message of Christ.



However, because Bush seems to be on talking terms with the Big Guy upstairs, he should be a bit more inclusive concerning what a Christain means.



The thing to be careful about when you hear about a person voting against something (especially in political advertisements) is unless you know the exact nature of the bill you can easily be misled. So often bills for tax cuts or military expenditures are also ladened with other less popular provisions. This is called piggybacking.



Terrorism is a world wide problem. It requires the efforts of each nation to combat it. To disregard the rest of the world is pretty short sighted to me.



Whether we like it or not... a countries legitimacy is measured by the world. When another country questions our country invading Iraq because of an attack on us on 9/11 they should have the right to question and decide whether it is something that they wish to support. With our soverignty also comes theirs.



Turn our sovereignty to the UN? I am sorry, I guess I missed that one. I have heard it spewed by people... but they spew a lot of nonsense. How exactly is that going to happen?



These same people mention stuff like "secular humanism. When I ask them to explain what they mean by that they don't know. They look pretty silly when you ask them.



Hmmm. Making our forces subject to a world court. Let's see. We did that to the Germans, the Japanese, Milosvic and his butchers. We were also talking about doing it to Sadam. So, only those others that are charged with crimes should be taken to a world court? Not us?



How, pray tell, can we proclaim to be the measure to which all others should be judeged when we refuse to be judged?



Yes, plese go on. I think that your litany of sins which you attribute to Kerry is fun.



You talk about thinking for yourself and not listenting to the "party lines" of others. I can't tell the difference between what you are saying and what Rush puts out. I think that if there is a need to see a point then it should be listening to Rush and Fox news with a more skeptical mind.



Now, my original question to the person that started this post was to explain that if he had all these problems with JK and then he ended it with "Bush is worse" then what was his purpose? Where was his stance.



I am sorry that you were unable to comprehend that part of my post. It might have been too sublime for a person that can only see in black and white.



I will try to keep things on a much simpler level for you and your ilk.

All the above comments relate to Kerry's integrity, or should I say, lack of it. The facts and the record are abundantly clear, if you care to address facts.



Instead, the common tactic is to attack the apponent and/or question the motives of the person making the comment. You say Bush has "blurred the lines", however, it seems he still holds to the same ideals and principles he has all along. Kerry on the other hand has attempted to blur his own record which speaks for itself if you care to look at it.



First, he commits atrocities and says everybody else did too. Demonstrates with the likes of Jane Fonda, throws his medals over the White House fence. Now, when it's politically expedient, he trys to make out like he's more qualified because he served 4 months in Viet Nam. Not a peep about how we are all war criminals.



Of course the reason for all the ballyhoo about his service is to take the scrutiny off his actual record. Voting for every tax increase, voting against every tax cut, voting against every bill to build up our intelligence community, against the equipment needed by our military.



Given his propensity for saying one thing and doing another, one would have to be totally brainwashed to not see the point!



The point is, (for those of you with liberal blinders, who can only parrot what the talking heads spew out), Kerry is the East coast ivy league version of Clinton. He will say whatever he thinks he must in order to be elected. Truth is not a factor. Integrity is not a factor. The object is to get elected, if that means duping the American public with a carload of horse pucky, so be it. We are just a bunch of ex-war criminals any way.



Well, unfortunately for Kerry, there are a lot of us who believe that actions are a better indicator of intent and integrity than empty words. Anyone can bloviate, but Kerry's record stands as a testament to what he really thinks. ie: Turn over our sovereignty to the U.N., suck up to the French, ignore the 2nd amendment, blur the lines of what marriage is and is not, justify the killing of babies, gut the intelligence agencies and make our armed forces subject to a world court, raise taxes.... should I go on?



If you still can't see the point, try being objective and look at the record and actually check the facts before regurgitating the party line as spewed by Tom Brokejaw, Dan Blather etc.

I served in Vietnam from 68 to 69 as a helicopter crew chief. Kerry seems to be willing to jump on any bandwagon that he thinks will be politically useful.



First he is supported the anti-war (anti-America) group. Throws his medals over the white house fence. Now he is supposed to be proud of his service. Well which is it? Is he ashamed of his service and what all us "war criminals" did? or is he all proud and bragging now that he thinks is will get him some brownie points.



Just ask yourself this, why isn't he bragging about all the anti-war crap he did? Obviously, he knows better than to admit that he and Jane Fonda are joined at the hip.

Mark,

Quotes from the vets were very interesting. I am not exactly sure though what your point is. Especially if you put the quote: BUSH IS WORSE.



If that is the case, then we can expect to see the same type of information concerning Bush? Oooops. Wait, he didn't serve overseas. It might be a bit more difficult to do, but there is that little nasty thing about transferring to Alabama to work on a political election. Early release and missing duty.



When I was in the military it was even questioned whether we should be allowed to contribute to a president's political campaign. That was because of the appearance of impropriety was so important that just as we were barred from giving gifts to superiors we couldn't give them to politicans.



Why do I bring this up? Because Bush has blurred the lines between so many things. Between military and politics... Church and State... National defense and domestic issues.



No one is going to agree on Vietnam. I believe that if we were to look at all conflicts/wars American's have been involved in, we would find officers and enlisted doing things that we, as a Nation, are not proud of.



What makes America so great is the we demand to hold our people to a higher standard and to be accountable. What use is it to go to war to defend principles if we don't observe those principles? (Please see news stories about prisoner abuse in Iraq. These were NOT terrorists)



Without knowing the agenda of each of the people that are quoted it is impossible to verify the verasity of each statement.



I don't want to get into whether each person's statement is true. I will take it at face value that it is.



Again, what is the point?



If you want to see contempt for the military, then look at how Vets are treated by society and governments. Look at how they are willing to call into question a vets service record and question their whether the person is even deserving of the award. Just as Kerry was relating his experience, in 10 or 20 years the Iraq war veterans will be in politics and there will be people attacking him. Life really is cyclical.



As to your other point... how can GWB have any idea what it is like for the hard working Americans? Silver spoons are silver spoons. Don't attack one witihout mentioning the other. Fair is fair.



Regardless of your feelings, Kerry did serve in Vietnam... where was Bush?



Please choose a particular side or point of view that can be clearly determined if you want people to understand what it is that you are saying. Right now I have no true idea what it is that you are trying to say.

Mark,

Quotes from the vets were very interesting. I am not exactly sure though what your point is. Especially if you put the quote: BUSH IS WORSE.



If that is the case, then we can expect to see the same type of information concerning Bush? Oooops. Wait, he didn't serve overseas. It might be a bit more difficult to do, but there is that little nasty thing about transferring to Alabama to work on a political election. Early release and missing duty.



When I was in the military it was even questioned whether we should be allowed to contribute to a president's political campaign. That was because of the appearance of impropriety was so important that just as we were barred from giving gifts to superiors we couldn't give them to politicans.



Why do I bring this up? Because Bush has blurred the lines between so many things. Between military and politics... Church and State... National defense and domestic issues.



No one is going to agree on Vietnam. I believe that if we were to look at all conflicts/wars American's have been involved in, we would find officers and enlisted doing things that we, as a Nation, are not proud of.



What makes America so great is the we demand to hold our people to a higher standard and to be accountable. What use is it to go to war to defend principles if we don't observe those principles? (Please see news stories about prisoner abuse in Iraq. These were NOT terrorists)



Without knowing the agenda of each of the people that are quoted it is impossible to verify the verasity of each statement.



I don't want to get into whether each person's statement is true. I will take it at face value that it is.



Again, what is the point?



If you want to see contempt for the military, then look at how Vets are treated by society and governments. Look at how they are willing to call into question a vets service record and question their whether the person is even deserving of the award. Just as Kerry was relating his experience, in 10 or 20 years the Iraq war veterans will be in politics and there will be people attacking him. Life really is cyclical.



As to your other point... how can GWB have any idea what it is like for the hard working Americans? Silver spoons are silver spoons. Don't attack one witihout mentioning the other. Fair is fair.



Regardless of your feelings, Kerry did serve in Vietnam... where was Bush?



Please choose a particular side or point of view that can be clearly determined if you want people to understand what it is that you are saying. Right now I have no true idea what it is that you are trying to say.

Mark,

Quotes from the vets were very interesting. I am not exactly sure though what your point is. Especially if you put the quote: BUSH IS WORSE.



If that is the case, then we can expect to see the same type of information concerning Bush? Oooops. Wait, he didn't serve overseas. It might be a bit more difficult to do, but there is that little nasty thing about transferring to Alabama to work on a political election. Early release and missing duty.



When I was in the military it was even questioned whether we should be allowed to contribute to a president's political campaign. That was because of the appearance of impropriety was so important that just as we were barred from giving gifts to superiors we couldn't give them to politicans.



Why do I bring this up? Because Bush has blurred the lines between so many things. Between military and politics... Church and State... National defense and domestic issues.



No one is going to agree on Vietnam. I believe that if we were to look at all conflicts/wars American's have been involved in, we would find officers and enlisted doing things that we, as a Nation, are not proud of.



What makes America so great is the we demand to hold our people to a higher standard and to be accountable. What use is it to go to war to defend principles if we don't observe those principles? (Please see news stories about prisoner abuse in Iraq. These were NOT terrorists)



Without knowing the agenda of each of the people that are quoted it is impossible to verify the verasity of each statement.



I don't want to get into whether each person's statement is true. I will take it at face value that it is.



Again, what is the point?



If you want to see contempt for the military, then look at how Vets are treated by society and governments. Look at how they are willing to call into question a vets service record and question their whether the person is even deserving of the award. Just as Kerry was relating his experience, in 10 or 20 years the Iraq war veterans will be in politics and there will be people attacking him. Life really is cyclical.



As to your other point... how can GWB have any idea what it is like for the hard working Americans? Silver spoons are silver spoons. Don't attack one witihout mentioning the other. Fair is fair.



Regardless of your feelings, Kerry did serve in Vietnam... where was Bush?



Please choose a particular side or point of view that can be clearly determined if you want people to understand what it is that you are saying. Right now I have no true idea what it is that you are trying to say.

Mark,

Quotes from the vets were very interesting. I am not exactly sure though what your point is. Especially if you put the quote: BUSH IS WORSE.



If that is the case, then we can expect to see the same type of information concerning Bush? Oooops. Wait, he didn't serve overseas. It might be a bit more difficult to do, but there is that little nasty thing about transferring to Alabama to work on a political election. Early release and missing duty.



When I was in the military it was even questioned whether we should be allowed to contribute to a president's political campaign. That was because of the appearance of impropriety was so important that just as we were barred from giving gifts to superiors we couldn't give them to politicans.



Why do I bring this up? Because Bush has blurred the lines between so many things. Between military and politics... Church and State... National defense and domestic issues.



No one is going to agree on Vietnam. I believe that if we were to look at all conflicts/wars American's have been involved in, we would find officers and enlisted doing things that we, as a Nation, are not proud of.



What makes America so great is the we demand to hold our people to a higher standard and to be accountable. What use is it to go to war to defend principles if we don't observe those principles? (Please see news stories about prisoner abuse in Iraq. These were NOT terrorists)



Without knowing the agenda of each of the people that are quoted it is impossible to verify the verasity of each statement.



I don't want to get into whether each person's statement is true. I will take it at face value that it is.



Again, what is the point?



If you want to see contempt for the military, then look at how Vets are treated by society and governments. Look at how they are willing to call into question a vets service record and question their whether the person is even deserving of the award. Just as Kerry was relating his experience, in 10 or 20 years the Iraq war veterans will be in politics and there will be people attacking him. Life really is cyclical.



As to your other point... how can GWB have any idea what it is like for the hard working Americans? Silver spoons are silver spoons. Don't attack one witihout mentioning the other. Fair is fair.



Regardless of your feelings, Kerry did serve in Vietnam... where was Bush?



Please choose a particular side or point of view that can be clearly determined if you want people to understand what it is that you are saying. Right now I have no true idea what it is that you are trying to say.