Report: #329216

Complaint Review: John L. Grogan & PEOA (Polygraph Examiners Of America)

  • Submitted: Sun, April 27, 2008
  • Updated: Thu, May 29, 2014
  • Reported By: Barrington Rhode Island
  • John L. Grogan & PEOA (Polygraph Examiners Of America)
    http://www.peoa.us/
    Los Angeles Area, California
    U.S.A.

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The following informaton you will read is known only to the professional polygraph community as a current problem, as well as some in the licensed P.I. community from which he was tossed out / license revoked in 10/02.

Like many con men out there who have effected both micro and macro markets they work their frauds in as parasites in hurting the public, this guy has taken it to a new level.

I am sending you a link to two such recent stories on a professional polygraph examiner website ( PolygraphPlace.com ) which has written about one such phony person who is in the L.A. area as mentioned, and who advertises and performs such testing without the needed background or training. He further has in place a current pyramid scheme where he creates new pseudo-examiners accross the USA from a 40 pound box he mails them, gives them the web based cover of a Trojan horse meaningless organization of PEOA (Polygraph Examiners of America), and then he uses these same new instant
Pseudo-Examiners as a "Schills" from which he extracts fees as a component of the pyramid scheme. The result is the "would be" new pseudo-examiner is duped by mail fraud by paying $845.00 for the "Polygraph Academy in a Box", and pushed into performing tests they really can't begin to do to recoup their loss of over $5,000.00. Further, the member of the public / consumer is duped by the cover of the organization Grogan provides (PEOA) and the geographic area recommended pseudo-examiner in a Web based house of cards. Further, no less than a half dozen household name celebrity types, and their Attorneys, have been fooled by this pretend polygraph examiner and are his further victims. Example: Comedian Joan Rivers, Singer Donny Osmond, Child Actor Michael Knight (Peter Brady), and baseball player legend Jose Canseco + more !!!

Here are the links I mentioned earlier :

Ref: the stories on Polygraph Parasite John L. Grogan

http://www.polygraphplace.com/articles/issue138.htm

http://www.polygraphplace.com/articles/issue142.htm

Mr. Grogan has made it quite easy and we have the government documents at the above links of his fraud convictions, and other documents which will give you no less than an informed view of this rat.

The fraud convict Mr. Grogan's main websites are:

http://www.groganpolygraph.com/

http://www.johngrogan.com/

http://www.peoa.us/

Note; He has about 40 other websites that all lead back to one cell phone number !!! He even uses his former minor daughter in this scam claiming she is a qualified polygraph examiner when she was then just 14 or 15 !!!!! http://www.kathryngrogan.com/ She only graduated high school last year, and her website read that she supposedly completed a polygraph school in 8/04 !!!!! Impossible !!!! There are no Doogie Housers in the polygraph profession !!!

Paralegaleagle
Barrington, Rhode Island
U.S.A.
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#1 Consumer Comment

John Grogran Misrepresented APA Certificate

AUTHOR: Ripoff Warrior - (USA)

I spoke with John Grogan on the telephone two days ago. John informed me that he is certified by the American Polygraph Association (APA). Attempts to verify the same through APA failed.

I am thankful I did my research and I am thankful to the consumers who filed ripoffreport and yelp reviews and complaints that ultimately led to me being protected. 

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#2 Consumer Comment

How much is he paying you to say this?

AUTHOR: Parsons - ()

  You have to be kidding if you search around you can find our more negative information about John Grogan than you could believe. I suppose you still think he is the most ethical person even though he had his PI license, Polygraph licens, and even his concealed carry permt revolked. He really sounds like a real uostanding guy. I suppose you didn't know he has an active arrest warrant in Colorado either. He is the biggest lieing chesting thief ther is, and you want to put out your name backing him up. You must be just as bad.

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Stick and Stones

AUTHOR: SunnyKWest - ()

I have personally worked with John Grogan for over 20 years and have first hand knowledge of him and his reputation. He is one of the most ethical people I have ever know. John is one of the most sought after professionals in his field because he is the best. 

If you noticed, he didn't respond to any of this because no matter what you say about him, it won't do anything to hurt him.  The grateful people he has worked for in the past will support him no matter what you put on the internet to try and sully his reputation.

Your jelousy is obvious (and juvenile).

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#4 General Comment

You're A Very Angry Man

AUTHOR: Kesha - (United States of America)

Wow!   Sounds as if you had a bad experience and are throwing the baby out with the bath water.  Polygraph is admissible in several states and can be used in many others with the consent of the parties.  You even comment on its use: 

NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A USE. FOR YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS AND LOSS
PREVENTION SUSPECTS ARE THE ONLY TWO GOOD REASONS FOR USING A POLYGRAPH
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.


So what should have been a comment about John Grogan's ripoff of my friend's money through his incompetence has turned out to be a tongue lashing of the industry.

Grogan ripped off my girlfriend with his "over the phone" voice stress analyzer.  Was she dumb for attempting to prove her innocence to her family on a personal issue using this individual:  yes.

Lesson learned.  Avoid Grogan and his attempts to dislodge money from your pockets. 
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

PSEUDOSCIENCE JUSTIFYING EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED TO END THE TERRORISM OF UNETHICAL POLYGRAPHERS AND THE SCUM WHO HIRED THEM SO THEY COULD CIRCUMVENT THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN EMPLOYMENT LAW.

I DON'T THINK MUCH OF POLYGRAPHS AFTER THAT FAKE EXAMINATION THAT WAS SET UP TO WEED ME OUT! GOOD THING I ALREASY HAD A JOB WHEN I VOLUNTEERED TO BE PART OF THAT CONTROL GROUP THAT TOOK THE EXAM TO VERIFY THAT DISCRIMINATION BASED ON AGE,GENDER, COLOR,RACE AND ETHNICITY WAS IN FACT GOING ON(IT WAS). ALL WE HAD TO HAVE AS A STANDARD OF PROOF WAS PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE AND THE SCUMBAG POLYGRAPH OPERATOR GUY AND THE SLEAZEBAG SCUM WHO HIRED HIM WERE FRIED!

I AM SURPRISED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WHO OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER ARE STILL BEING CONNED BY THE PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC PARLOR GAME, CHEAP TRICK AMUSEMENT THAT HAS WRECKED I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LIVES AND CAREERS...

IT IS NOT ADMISSABLE IN COURT AND AS A RESULT OF THE SMALL ROLE I PROUDLY PLAYED ---THE DAMNABLE THING CAN NOT LONGER BE ADMINISTERED IN PRE-EMPLOYMENT TESTS --EXCEPT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CERTAIN OTHER HIGH-SECURITY JOBS AND THE EMPLOYER OF THOSE HAS TO NOTIFY YOU IN ADVANCE.

NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A USE. FOR YOUTHFUL OFFENDERS AND LOSS PREVENTION SUSPECTS ARE THE ONLY TWO GOOD REASONS FOR USING A POLYGRAPH AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.

TO SEE POLYGRAPH AND DNA ENTERTAINMENT AT ITS BEST, WATCH THE MAURY POVICH SHOW.
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