Complaint Review: June Banks - San Juan Capistrano California
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- June Banks 31641 La Novia San Juan Capistrano, California USA
- Phone: 714.658.1869
- Web: www.eteamz.com/5onfivebasketball
- Category: Sports Teams & Clubs
June Banks ,5onFive Basketball, AVOID 5 ON FIVE BASKETBALL!!! YOUR SON DESERVES BETTER!!! San Juan Capistrano California
*Author of original report: I Unfortunately Cannot Remove Original Report
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: haha
*Author of original report: In Response to 'Art Vandalay' aka George
*Consumer Comment: June Banks
*Author of original report: 5onFive Follow-up
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: In Response To July 15, 2015
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This review is of June Banks and his 5onFive Club Basketball program in South Orange County, California.
My son played on June’s 12U team this past season. We joined 5onFive primarily based on June’s excellent coaching reputation, and despite significant deficiencies in his program, I still believe he’s a good coach. Teaches solid fundamentals and expects and gets a lot from his players. With that said, I strongly recommend you join another club basketball team. Here’s why...
Too many players on the 5onFive teams:
If your son is one of the five starters, he’ll get tons of playing time and experience. If your kid is one of the six or seven players coming off the bench, you’ll be paying $3,000 to support the extensive playing time of other peoples’ kids. Even in games with the 5onFive team up or down by 15 or more points late in the fourth quarter, expect many if not most of the starters to still be in there. June has his guys. That’s who he plays. The other kids are simply there so their parents can write checks. Since payment for the year is up front, you have to either stick it out or leave and just write it off as a loss, as many parents did.
High attrition rate:
About half of the kids that started the season with the two 12U 5onFive teams left at some point and joined other club teams. In hindsight, we should have done the same thing. However, my son insisted on staying out of loyalty to June and his teammates despite non-existent playing time. We made it to the last week of the season, then finally reached a breaking point...
My son’s mom and I grew accustomed to our son playing a few minutes per game. This past weekend at a tournament in Anaheim our 5onFive team played two games. First game my son was in for one minute and 38 seconds late in the fourth quarter. That was significant playing time compared to the second game, in which he was never put in. Both games we won by a large margin. There was no excuse for June sitting kids out. Even better, after only playing one minute and 38 seconds, June pulled our son out of the game for the remaining two minutes. Up by 17. Starters back in.
Loyalty doesn’t pay:
We have been loyal to 5onFive. Attended every practice throughout the year. Attended every game. Only player on the team that can say that. This is how our son was rewarded by June Banks.
Moral of the story...
If you want to pay $3,000 to travel all over Orange and Riverside County, pay entrance fees, pay for parking, all to watch your son play for less than two minutes a day, sign up for 5onFive.
Another endearing quality - June is an aggressive debt collector:
The only time June Banks sought me out or contacted me during the entire year was when he needed payment. Then he contacted me often. Very often. Text, email, even sought me out in practice to get his payment. Like a druken ex-girlfriend at 2am. Interestingly enough, this was the only direct communication I had with June all year that was initiated by him.
Revolving door of mediocre, uninspiring coaches:
Other than June, assistant coaches came and went. They would often show up late for games and parents would have to jump in and coach. It was obvious that 5onFive was just a paycheck for them until a better deal came along. Morale on the other 12U 5onFive team (the one not coached by June) was abysmal. Kids would scream at their teammates on court when they missed shots or turned the ball over. A lot of negative energy. Of the 12 kids that started the season on that team, only two remained at the end.
Late evening crowded practices:
Two 6th grade, one 7th grade, and one 8th grade team train together twice a week from 8pm to 9:30pm. One court. Almost 50 players stuffed in every practice. Plan on getting home around 10pm on school nights.
Extermely high coach to player ratio:
Usually two but no more than three coaches at practices. Approximately 50 kids. Individual player development non-existent.
June adds players despite already overcrowded teams:
Despite an already full bench, June will add additional players from his other teams. One recent example: Two weeks ago, June added players from his 11U team to give them experience playing at the 12U level. Good for them. As a result, the bench kids who had limited playing time already had to watch the newcomers play significant minutes. June takes care of his starters. The rest are walking wallets.
Observations of other club teams at tournaments:
We watch other teams at tournaments very closely. They typically have 7 to 9 players versus about 12 with 5onFive. Kids are rotated on a fair basis. Coaches take a keen interest in the development of all their players versus their top five, regardless of the score.
Lack of integrity with 5onFive:
The 5onFive club team is different than a rec league, where all kids play. If June Banks did not think our son was a fit for his team, why did he take our check? As a 29-year veteran of the Marine Corps, I value integrity and direct communication. You’ll find neither with 5onFive. June’s ongoing empty promises of increased playing time for our son strung us along to the end of the year (so he did not have to refund any money).
Cost vs. Value:
At nearly $3,000 a year, 5onFive is one of the most expensive programs in Orange County.
What do you get for it?...
- Overcrowded teams/limited playing time
- Limited communication with June Banks... unless you owe him money
- Revolving door of uninspiring coaches
- Low morale
- Coaches frequently showing up late for games - parents jumping in to help
- High player to coach ratio
- Jam-packed practices - limited individual training and development
- Adding new players to an already packed team
- Late night practices during the school year
- Lack of character/integrity
- Extreme bias toward a few players at the expense of all others
- High attrition rate
Final note:
We joined a new team this week and could not be happier. Coaches running the new club team also lead local varsity high school programs. Only one team practices in the gym at a time (about 10 players), with two exceptional coaches who are truly interested in player development instead of income generation. My son got more one-on-one coaching in his first practice than he did in an entire year with 5onFive. Far less expensive too.
Do yourself and your son a huge favor - join another one of the many exceptional club teams in Orange County and avoid the miserable experience we endured this past year with June Banks and his 5onFive program.
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#6 Author of original report
I Unfortunately Cannot Remove Original Report
AUTHOR: - ()
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2017
'Art', I'm happy to hear you have a good sense of humor. I was having fun with you, and had no bad intent. My girlfriend does not find my sarcasm very funny, so it's repressed most of the time. Just needed a release, so appreciate your funny response.
With regard to June and 5onFive, I regret filing the orginal report. It's not that I put anything that was untrue. It was simply one person's opinion, and not intended to harm June's business... A way to vent the many frustrations our family had with the program. Again, one person's opinion. There were numerous other families that loved the 5onFive program and have been a part of it for many years.
As I've stated in every posting, June Banks is a truly exceptional coach. Inspirational and passionate, with a great sense of humor. The players love June. My son did too, and still misses playing for him and with the program. Also, many of the issues we experienced seem to have been resolved. June's teams now practice out of an amazing new facility (LifeTime Fitness in Laguna Niguel).
With that said, I would highly recommend checking out June's 5onFive program. I wish them the best and regret posting my frustrations on this website. If you're reading this June, hopefully some day you can forgive me. I have three more sons now, and would love for them to play for you in the future.
#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company
haha
AUTHOR: Art_Vandalay - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 16, 2017
Liste, do you know what you call a basement full of liberals? A whine celler.
You are one for sure. Nobody cries that much on the right. No offense, its part of your DNA. The point is not all kids are created =. Sorry. Once you realize this you'll sleep easier. I wish you the best. I'm not going to proof anything for you but I'm confident my left nut is smarter than you.
#4 Author of original report
In Response to 'Art Vandalay' aka George
AUTHOR: - ()
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2017
Wow 'Art'... I painfully sifted through your grammatical disaster for content... reflects poorly on the GED program that let you slip through the cracks.
My response and insight:
- Highlighting your son's extensive limitations to make a point says all I need to know about you. Quite an inspirational father. How would the little guy know his flaws and limitations without your keen insight?... Lucky young man.
- 60 pound 11 year-old?... Please feed your son. Feed him. Please.
- Your assessment of the situation is so clever and intuitive, it has me doubting everything I've ever done in my life. The campy humor and subtle jabs are genius. Sultry poetic style with dashes of raw honesty have brought tears to my eyes. Bravo sir... bravo.
- The most ingenious line of your journalistic masterpiece was 'not everyone should get a trophy'. How did you come up with that gem? So original. So thought provoking. I would copyright it before people steal your idea.
- Inferring political leanings based on my post also highlights your quick-wit. Once I get over the personal attacks, would love to do coffee sometime and learn how to become a better person.
Now please go feed your son...
#3 Consumer Comment
June Banks
AUTHOR: Art_Vandalay - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2017
Here is the deal. I've been with June for maybe 8 years. Great program. Even the rec ball he has is awesome. My kid is the worst. He's 11 and is half midget and weighs maybe 60 pounds. Thanks to June, he is one of the better players in NJB and he plays on a Bronze level travel team in which he excels. Why? the fundamentals he learned through June.
The thing about Travel sports that parents don't understand is that travel isn't for average or sub part athletes. It's not even for good athletes that don't love the game. It's like College. College was never intended for idiots but now we push it for the $$$$$$$.
I never signed up for June's travel ball because I'm not an idiot. I knew he had 6 or 7 kids that were more committed and better/bigger athletes. If I was paying, I'd expect the best to play. I believe June does that with his teams. If your boy ain't playing, its most likely because he isn't a top player.
I'm assuming the person that wrote this voted for Hillary and Obama. Everybody has to be equal. Well, no.... not everybody should get a trophy. The sooner you learn this the better off.
#2 Author of original report
5onFive Follow-up
AUTHOR: - ()
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, May 31, 2016
I'm the original author of this report. Unfortunately, cannot delete this posting.
Just to make things clear, the experience our son and family had with the 5onFive program was unique, as is everyones, and our opinions are simply that. Yes, players often do move from team to team. We did, and are extremely happy with the decision. The new team and coaches are a perfect fit for us. Our son went from playing zero to a few minutes per game with 5onFive to playing 20 to 30 minutes or more this year on a very strong, competitive team. He was also recently moved up from the 7th grade team to play on the 8th grade team.
The reason I'd like to remove this posting is that June Banks reached out to me (after reading it), expressing disappointment in how we felt. His gesture was appreciated. I wish June and his program the best. Just because we moved on to a better fit for our son does not mean that 5onFive may not be a perfect fit for your son. As mentioned in other postings, June Banks is a tremendously effective coach and leader. If you have an opportunity to learn from him, and are given playing time, take it.
#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company
In Response To July 15, 2015
AUTHOR: 5onfive - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 08, 2016
5onfive has been in business for the past 14 years in South Orange County, helping to raise young men & woman in the area through basketball. Whether it’s building self-confidence, self-esteem, or athletic & social competition, all which assists in shaping their young lives. Offering recreation leagues, camps, clinics and club teams at every age group, 5onfive has helped develop a community of young talented players, as most of the top players from South Orange County has come from this program. We pride ourselves in our programs, reputation, and relationship with the child & parent, as well as with the community.
As with any club sport company, there is player movement yearly for numerous reasons. The reasons could vary from skill set, coaching style, team philosophy, price structure, and chemistry of teams. We truly feel bad for any family whose expectations are not met in our programs, as in some ways, we have failed them and we do take this to heart. Most parents have an understanding that nothing is ever personal against their child, we wish every child could excel in basketball, unfortunately that is not always feasible.
In this particular case it’s extremely unfortunate this parent decided to take the route of posting a negative comment with the hopes to harm a business, instead of addressing the issue directly. We have reached out to this parent discussed his frustrations and wish them the very best in finding the right program for their child.
If anyone has any questions regarding our programs or request referrals please feel free to email me directly, June Banks/President of 5onfive, [email protected] //
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