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Lamparter Marketing, LMG INC, NV INNOVATIONS

  • Submitted: Thu, March 13, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, March 26, 2008

  • Reported By:Tarrytown New York
Lamparter Marketing, LMG INC, NV INNOVATIONS
www.lmgny.com , www.nvinnovations.com Westchester County, New York U.S.A.

Lamparter Marketing, LMG INC, NV INNOVATIONS Scheme, Ploy, Multi-level marketing, Pyramid scheme Westchester County New York

*Author of original report: Ha!

*Consumer Suggestion: I guess you are not one of those "Brilliant Indviduals"

*UPDATE Employee: To all the people whom coundnt make it?

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BE WARY! All of you recent grads and/or dropouts who flock to a craigslist.org posting that promises: "Management Training/Entry Level Sales Position."

These ads PROMISE a multi-training program FREE for the right candidate. They PROMISE a decent salary (usually posted at or over 30K) even though they require no experience/education. Too good to be true, right?

What you wind up doing is spending 14 hours a day going door to door trying to sell homeowners/business owners things they don't want. You're LUCKY if you make 10 bucks a day.

There are plenty of reports for these companies already but I felt the need to add my two cents. I have not worked for either of these companies for the same reasons that everyone has posted, i.e:

A. Pure Commission. While this is not illegal or "bad," they won't tell you this over the phone. They won't tell you this unless you repeatedly ask them (literally ask them 5 times in 15 seconds) and/or show up for the "second interview" which is...

B. Trailing a "top salesman" for a day. Which includes 8-10 hours of door to door type sales. Walking through whatever terrain happens to be around harassing business owners and/or homeowners which is illegal in some areas, getting hassled by the cops who wonder why you're loitering and/or soliciting. Door to door selling became obsolete when tupperware became available at Wal-Mart.

C. Be WARY of an office that was decorated on a 5 dollar budget. Both Lamparter and NV Innovations (both companies I interviewed at) had "offices" that consisted of a waiting area with a couple of metal chairs, plain walls, and a VERY simplistic secretary desk, and an "office" that was essentially a desk and two chairs. MAYBE a potted plant. It looked like a front in some 1950's mob movie. In my interview I was told I could be making over 100K in 6 months! 100,000 dollars in 6 months! I find it hard to believe that that's the case when they don't even bother to secure an office with more than two rooms and a pair of chairs.

During my interview I was constantly told "this is not a pyramid scheme" which is funny because I never asked or accused it of being such. In my experience if someone feels the need to tell you something you never asked multiple times.. there's cause for worry.

I was told that I would be selling a service (It took about 20 minutes to find out what that was) and that after a few weeks I would have my own "team" of salesman. I would get a percentage of each sale I made (they wouldn't tell me what percentage that was) and when I had my own team I would get a percentage of THEIR sales too.

Hmmm... I make a percentage of selling someone something they don't want/need and then when I convince other people to do the same I get a percentage of their sales and so on and so forth...?

How is that NOT a pyramid scheme?

The ad I responded to on craigslist.org said all the right things too. "Excellant Benefits. Medical, Dental, 401K." When I inquired about the great benefits they looked at me like I was crazy. Medical? Dental? 401K? What are you talking about? SHOCKINGLY the benefits in the ad (which are enticing) were non-existant. There was no medical. No dental. No 401K available. They had no idea where I was even getting that from.

I was also asked how I felt about "loud music early in the morning." THAT set off alarms in my head. Be WARNED: There are a lot of companies that will do "cool" or "fun" things to try to increase morale and company loyalty. This is fine. This is good. Casual friday = Good. Happy Hour thursday = Good, Bingo night on wednesday = Good.

Loud, sexually explicit strip club type music (complete with all the 4 letter words your mom doesn't want to hear) at 9Am is NOT good. It is not professional. It is a ploy to make young, inexperienced, uneducated people think this is a "cool place to work."

One of the guys who interviewed me told me that this was a branch of Cydcorp which has a HUGE rap sheet of annoyed employees and customers.

Be WARY of anyone who uses the phrase: "Multi-level marketing." This is smart talk for "you make crap money and we essentially scam people."

I don't know if either of these companies are doing anything "illegal" persay BUT what I DO know is that they have no problem lying, decieving, and stretching the truth. I do know that their "management" training entails walking 9 miles a day trying to sell things to people that they don't want or need.

Ever tried to get into a supermarket and have someone walk up to you and say "excuse me sir, if I could just have one moment of your time"... That's what you're in for.

I DO know that I've been called back by both companies a few times in the last few months and each time I tell them I'm no longer interested. Each time I'm told they're going to contact me anyway. Each time I tell them not to bother. Each time I'm given a new person to get in contact with if I'm still interested. Hmmmm, in the span of 6 months there's been 4 different people calling me. Could that possibly mean that every few weeks someone realizes what a BS place this is to work?

Be WARY! If the turnover rate for employees in a company is THAT high then there's probably a reason for it.

Be WARNED people. IF you want a sales job then realize that that usually means sitting in a cubicle for 8-10 hours a day cold calling sales leads. It's boring but it's legit.

As I left my interview with NV Innovations I saw the "sales team" coming back into the office. First off this makes it obvious that your typical day is ALL outside the office. The "office" has a waiting room and a single "office" for the boss and that's it. You won't spend any time here. When I saw the "Sales team" coming back (it was about 6pm at this point) I had to laugh. All men in their mid 20's wearing cheap, flashy suits like used car salesman. All had spikey gelled hair and fake tans. None of them seemed happy. None of them seemed capable of speaking coherent, professional english.

These companies are scams, even if they're not technically illegal. They prey on uneducated college drop outs and naive recent grads. They promise the world but don't deliver a fraction. There are no benefits, no real training, and you work for commission only which (so I'm told) means if you're LUCKY you make about the weekly min. wage.

I interviewed with both companies within a short period of time and I realized quickly what the deal was. Take heed to these warnings everyone.

If the ad seems to good to be true it almost ALWAYS is.

Tarrytown, New York

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 03/13/2008 01:52 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/lamparter-marketing-lmg-inc-nv-innovations/westchester-county-new-york/lamparter-marketing-lmg-inc-nv-innovations-scheme-ploy-multi-level-marketing-pyramid-317469. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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AUTHOR: Davewestny - (U.S.A.)

Paula's "rebuttal" is laughable in that it does not address or explain any of the things I mentioned in my initial report. You did not address or explain the wrongful advertisement of compensation (not commission), the inability of the staff/management to directly answer questions, the suspiciously sparse office space, etc, etc, etc. All you did was basically say "You're not a good worker, you can't hack it."

Hard work? HA! I won't "toot my own horn" here but I've held jobs where if you only worked 80 hours a week you weren't working hard enough. Don't lecture me about "hard work." I'm no stranger to it. At the present time I'm working a 50+ hour week at a LEGITIMATE company that recognizes and rewards such performance. I actually recieve a paycheck and I don't have to walk door to door bothering private homeowners during dinner time to get paid.

Side note: Months after I interviewed with them (and about 3 or 4 weeks ago actually) a rep of Lamparter actually rang my doorbell at around 6:00 PM on a weeknight while I was having dinner with some family members. He only asked for 10 minutes of my time, never saying why or for what reason. I didn't initially see the Lamparter ID tag on him but I saw it a few seconds later. Even though I politely explained that I was in the middle of having dinner with family he insisted that he would only take 10 minutes of my time. Seriously? Do you think I'd just STOP having dinner with my family to listen to a sales pitch? Here's a tip for ANY salesman: If the guy says "hey I'm having dinner with some family members at the moment can ya come back later.." DON'T PRESUME THAT ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY is more important than my family dinner. The NERVE! I admire aggressive sales tactics and an ambitious "go-getter" attitude as much as anyone but seriously... I'm having dinner with my aging parents here. Do you think I'm going to say "Hey mom and dad this random guy in a bad suit just rang my doorbell and wants to talk to me so you go ahead and continue dinner without me because I REALLY need to hear this sales pitch for a product/service that he hasn't even mentioned yet."

The company I now work for has an office space that actually includes live plants, painted walls, and pictures and art hung tastefully around the space. There are more than two rooms to the entire office and I'm not asked how I feel about loud rap music early in the morning. Shockingly it's not an issue I have to deal with.

So go ahead and tell me I'm not one of the "chosen few." Tell me I'm afraid of hard work. Tell me I just couldn't cut the mustard. That's fine. But the truth is that these companies take advantage of people, they offer a lot but deliver very little.

Hey I know not every job is great, I know that in every job comes some crud you don't want to deal with. I know that to get ahead you have to bust your butt and work it off. I'm aware of this. I KNOW some jobs are commission only sales positions. I KNOW some jobs are harder than others. I KNOW some jobs require some driving, some footwork, etc... And that's fine. But be up front about it. That's all I'm asking.

These companies PROMISE Management, Marketing, Public Relations, and Customer Service "training" but there's no real training in anything other than selling whatever they're selling to whomever they're selling it to. There's a BIG difference between observing a 22 year old guy in a bad suit with a worse haircut trying to sell credit card payment consolidation to a liquor store owner AND a legitimate TRAINING program offered by a university or corporation.

These companies ADVERTISE a starting salary of 30K. That's THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. Sometimes it's advertised as a little more, sometimes a little less. Thirty Thousand dollars is a big deal to recent college grads and/or dropouts. ESPECIALLY when you couple it with the promised "training."

During my interview I REPEATEDLY asked if this was a base salary or commision only. My interviewer avoided the question at every turn. I LITERALLY, LITERALLY!!! had to say "HEY! IS there a BASE Salary or is this JUST Commission? Answer this question!" Before I was told it's only commission.

Here's Lamparter's latest AD on craigslist:

Marketing Firm looking to fill entry-level position

Candidate will have
Strong work ethic
Great communication skills
Team mentality
Organizational skills


Learning technology for largest client
Marketing presentations
Some public speaking

Please send resume to: Marketing.NewYork.Westchester@gmail.com

Location: Tarrytown
Compensation: 25,000 - 35,000
Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
Please, no phone calls about this job!
Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

There's no MENTION of Lamparter there. How do I know it's Lamparter? Because I submitted my resume after reading this ad and recieved a call from them. I had no idea why they were calling me because my interview was months ago and I never followed up until the guy told me who he was. That's right... I had to ASK him who he was calling for. I answered the phone and was given the spiel about how they saw my resume and wanted to talk to me, blah blah blah. Then I said "I'm sorry, what company is this? I don't remember submitting a resume." And he said "OH this is LMG." And I said "Oh I remember you guys. The Scam. No thanks."

So go ahead and tell me that I can't cut it, that I'm not fit to work for this company. I don't care. Tell me I'm not a hard worker. That's fine. I have no hidden agenda here. I have no grudges. I only want to let people know the truth about these companies. Maybe they're not doing anything illegal persay but they certainly don't have a problem lying, cheating, and deceiving people. And if that's fine with you.. go right ahead. Like I said, I have no vested interest in this other than informing people and helping them before they make a mistake they'll regret.
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I guess you are not one of those "Brilliant Indviduals"

AUTHOR: Hollie - (U.S.A.)

I love when a so called employee trys to defend companies who promise the world but deliver nothing! I guess you are not one of those Brilliant Individuals that the company will be seening soon Or in your words soom! Come on if you are going to make an arse of your self by defending such companies then atleast proof read your entry before hitting submit!!!LOL

Now as for those who feel the need to bad mouth these "TYPES" of companies, it isn't because they couldn't cut it or weren't worthy of bothering people who didn't want nor ask to be bothered, it is simply because they can see from a mile away that the job they inquried about isn't at all what was in black and white print in last weeks paper.

These kinds of companies use selective wording in their ads to get young people who really have no work history to come and be their slaves, and that is really what it is, the employee has to use their own car, their own gas, and all their energy to go out for 8+ hours a day in hopes of making a sale to someone as I already said who didn't want to nor asked to be bothered, I tell you what, nothing irrates me more then to have someone try and sell me something I didn't ask to be sold on, and these poor young kids fresh out of highschool or in the middle of college who are hoping to make some extra money truly are the victims of these types of companies and usually when it is all said and done, the employee ends up with more of a debt then a paycheck from all the money he/she spent on gas, and maintaining their vehicle being the company surly doesn't provide a company vehicle nor do they provide compensation for the miles driven by you in your car for their benifit.

There are many of these companies out there, some sale vacumes (anyone ever heard of Kirby?) Some sell purfumes and the list goes on and on, however those who do come to places like this and say things that aren't so bright and cheerful about these kinds of places, isn't because they weren't strong enough to last, it is simply because they realized that they were being taken advantage of, yes I know that every employer has employee's to make them money, however most employers pay their employees a wage and I just think when a company starts off by lying in their employment ad then that right there should tell anyone with half a brain that chances are you aren't going to make a good living with that company, plain and simple. So there you have my 2 cents worth.
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To all the people whom coundnt make it?

AUTHOR: Paula - (U.S.A.)

Sorry you feel this way however hard work is indeed that! If you didn't pass our interview or you did and wer not quality material than please refrain from putting down our company. If you are a hard wotker and like to be part of a company that proves to give results then inquire within. Like every career you have disgruntled employees that just will never be a C.E.O.. However don't let the loosers neg you out it just goes to show you that only the strong shall prevail. so if you are looking for an opportunity that has growth apply at 212 marketing solutions see all brilliant individuals soom.
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