• Report: #340869
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Larry Weir, New Music Weekly, Backstage Entertainment , Spins Tracking System

  • Submitted: Mon, June 16, 2008
  • Updated: Thu, February 10, 2011

  • Reported By:NY New York
Larry Weir, New Music Weekly, Backstage Entertainment , Spins Tracking System
137 N Larchmont Blvd S-500 Los Angeles, CA 90004 Nationwide U.S.A.

Larry Weir, New Music Weekly, Backstage Entertainment , Spins Tracking System Radio Promotion ripp off Los Angeles California

*Consumer Suggestion: New Music Weekly

*Consumer Comment: they are also spammers so beware!

*Consumer Comment: Musicians pointing fingers will never succeed

*Consumer Suggestion: Conflict of Interest should set off alarms

*Consumer Suggestion: Tell the whole story!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: For The Record

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Spins Tracking System. National Radio Promotions, Larry Weir, New Music Weekly.

This is a bogus radio promotion scam that is very intricate and sophisticated.
These people charge tens of thousands of dollars to promote radio play in the US.

They then put out weekly radio station charts ( Spins Tracking System )

These radio stations are reffered to as "reporting stations". If you pay for this service your name will appear in charts with some of the biggest names in the music industry.

You will find it odd that although you are being played 600 time a week accros 18 to 20 states you will not sell a single record, get a single hit on your website, no one will have heard of your song but if you keep paying your name will rise up the spins tracking system chart along with artisits who are selling millions of CDs.

They send you a magazine published weekly that looks very professional and real.
You name will appear in multiple charts. It looks very much like you are making incredible progress.

In the end they took me for well over $30,000 and I found I was far from alone.
The radio stations may or may not even exsist, some are am stations with religous formats or formats like QVC and don't even play music.

If you look deeper you will find that the same people own all of the companies.
New Music Weekly, Lary Weir, National Record Promotions, The Spins Tracking System and there are several others.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

New Music Weekly

AUTHOR: Hammerhead - (USA)

In all due respect. New Music Weekly is not real.  Most of the adds are paper and the airplay in imaginary...an illusion. Since both of the owners of New Music Weekly work records it is definatley a huge conflict of interest.  I never once in my career have ever paid any attention to New Music Weekly.  BDS and Mediabase monitor the stations with complete accuracy.  

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#2 Consumer Comment

they are also spammers so beware!

AUTHOR: scambuster - ()

I got an email from New Music Weekly not once but several times stating that I "signed up" for their press releases and newsletters. I did not.

When I complained I got an email back from Mr. P. Loggins telling me how classy I was for turning them into their ISP for illegal spam. Whata total jerk. I can;t believe people fall for this company and their BS. BEWARE!!

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#3 Consumer Comment

Musicians pointing fingers will never succeed

AUTHOR: themusicman - (United States of America)

I find the entire writing very entertaining. Where to start??? Firstly, let me state that I'm very familiar with all sides having done much business with all, except for the mystery artist/complainer which I can only assume is one of their competitors. .certainly anyone knowledgeable in the music and/or radio industry knows that New Music Weekly magazine is one of the only trade publications left standing in the radio industry, in addition STS which was developed to help and exposure independent music wordwide. This person obviously has no knowledge of the radio industry for they aren't even aware that R&R (when it was in business) used it's own tracking service Mediabase (which btw is not a publication as you mentioned)..and Billboard uses it's own tracking service BDS. In face, both editors of New Music Weekly were even written about in Billboard magazine (in addition of other publications as leaders within the independent music scene. If, by the slimmest chance, you are an actual artist I can only recommend that you go to your local library and educate yourself on how to self-promote yourself and "who's who" of the music industry.  Intellectuals would be blessed to be in business with such connect companies rather then looking at them as "conflict of interest". You may want to do some research on BMG and see how many major labels are owned by them. .then you can talk about "conflict of interest".
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Conflict of Interest should set off alarms

AUTHOR: Trisha - (U.S.A.)

While New Music Weekly may be a semi-valid publication for indie artists anyone looking at using a promoter that is co-owner of the publication should see conflict of interest in their dreams.

Go with a promoter tha specializes in working music to one or two formats, not scores of formats.

Realize that with small indie publications you will play at tertiary market stations that have a population base of 500 people in the middle of nowhere land.

What you can do is use your experience and charting data to move up to larger publications and markets that are serviced by R&R, FMQB, MediaBase and other charts that have no conflict problems.

Larry Weir is a good guy and does the best that he can for his clients. Not everyone can be a star and sell thousands of records. It takes time and constant trying over and over. His conterpart that owns the other half of New Music Weekly is................I won't comment anymore about that.

Good luck in the future.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Tell the whole story!

AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)

I report three radio station playlists to New Music Weekly, for three of our music stations in our group. New Music Weekly is real. Songs from independent artists, in fact, do get played on stations throughout the country. Having met many of the program directors that also report, I can tell you that the magazine is far from bogus and spin counts on records do determine how "high" a particular song will chart.

The author that penned this "rip off report" apparently is of the belief that 600 spins of a particular song in less than half of the states in the country will make you an overnight superstar. New Music Weekly isn't out to make anybody a star...that is up to the promoter and the quality of the music of the artist.... but they are a tool that can and is used by many to boost their careers if new to the industry. I know. I've met many who would not be in the industry today if it weren't for people like Larry Weir and the magazine New Music Weekly.

Your name appearing in print with some of the biggest names in the industry does happen. That is because unlike other music trades that DO accept radio station playlists, New Music Weekly takes reports from radio stations all over the country, but most are in smaller and medium sized radio markets, which do not generate the same response on the internet such as artist hits on websites.

It's also immensely difficult to get music stores in smaller towns to carry brand new artists that may be playing on local radio. Most are Wal-Marts or similar chain stores that only stock the "major artists." Many radio stations such as ours get little request activity anymore, particularly if the genre is adult oriented. If we based our playlist on requests and not the texture or quality of the music, our report each week would only feature five or six artists that are million selling or platinum artists in the industry. It's not that the new talent isn't getting played, but that the more familiar talent is top of mind awareness to the listener.

Using the word "bogus" insinuates that New Music Weekly is not a real publication. That is as close to libel as it gets. In signing up to post on this site, I've noticed some major corporations listed as "rip-off" companies in one way or the other. U-Haul. I've used them many times. Applebees. Eat there often. Several lending institutions which I've used and had no problem with came up before I got to this particular "rip-off" report. New Music Weekly does not "promote" artists. Larry does have Heartland Entertainment, which was in business LONG before the magazine even began. The author has intertwined the two and, is inaccurate in his description.

The magazine is published bi-weekly, and "real" data is used to determine charts each week. They even print out an "independent" chart in some music genres. Although the author of this ripoff claim mentions several other entities that tie in, but aren't owned by New Music Weekly, it could be that this artist is one of thousands out there trying to get noticed as a musical artist, got some initial response on a regional scale, but found that no matter how you cut the mustard, the best promoters in the business can't make everybody a household name.

There are THOUSANDS of independent labels out there today! I have known Larry since the 1980's, before New Music Weekly was established, and I can attest that he's not one of the sleazeballs in this industry that takes your money and runs. Those kind of people are out there, but Larry Weir isn't one of them.
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#6 REBUTTAL Owner of company

For The Record

AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)

The first response to you is why you have not bothered to contact me personally if you have some type of complaint. I have received neither a letter nor a phone call from whoever you are. Instead, you choose to use this sight as a way to vent without even having any discussion. It's a one sided affair.

No one works harder for an artist or band that National Record Promotion. We start at 5:00 AM (PST) calling music and program directors, sending emails to stations, writing columns, pitches and blogs to try and get radio to pay attention to a new or already established recording artist. It's a very big job and many don't understand just how involved and hard this process is. Try it on your own for a week and you will see. This week alone we have the strongest New & Active debut on the AC charts at Radio and Records. In the last year and a half we've completed promotions for the likes to Mick Jagger, Willie Nelson, Heartland and numerous top independent artists, helping them get chart activity and national visibility. With our 40 years of being in the industry, the knowledge & experience behind the company puts us ahead of anyone out there today.

The only ones that benefit from your accusations and complaints are my competitors. Also for the record, I do not own or control Spins Tracking or Backstage Entertainment. Those are completely separate companies, so if you have some complaint or problem with them, I suggest that you contact them personally, unlike what you have chosen to do here.
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