Report: #444131

Complaint Review: Leadco Leads, Leadstar Leads, Discount Life Leads

  • Submitted: Thu, April 16, 2009
  • Updated: Wed, November 07, 2012
  • Reported By: Addison Texas
  • Leadco Leads, Leadstar Leads, Discount Life Leads - -
    Tulsa, Oklahoma

Leadco Leads, Leadstar Leads, Discount Life Leads Deceptive Trade Practices & Fraud Tulsa Oklahoma

*General Comment: Just curious

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: LeadStar Rebuttal

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LeadStar Leads (, Discount Life Leads (, Leadco Leads ( and GK & Associates Financial ( all have secret common ownership. Gary Kroll (GKROLL@GKAFINANCIAL.COM) is the owner. Dan Goff ( is the secret General Manager of all of the companies out of Leadco's office in Tulsa, Oklahoma. LeadStar and Discount Life Leads are managed by Greg Thornell ( out of Dallas, Texas.

Leadco and LeadStar sell 1000-piece direct-mail lead generation packages to the insurance industry, mainly mortgage life leads. They tell clients that the leads are exclusive. But when the leads become 90 days old, they are resold by sales forces from the three lead companies, again represented as being sold only one more time. In fact, all of three sales forces are calling on the same database, selling the leads as many times as possible, sometimes selling the same leads to the same people. As the mortgage and insurance industries have consolidated recently, the duplicity has become worse. Since GKA Financial is an insurance agency, there is huge potential for abuse, and given their history, a strong liklihood of them using all of the leads as well.

In summary, they are using other people to pay for the leads, then they resell them over and over, and possibly use the leads themselves through GKA . Management's first method of deception, and apparent standard operating procedure, starts with failure to provide the service (whether intentional or carelessness) followed by silince. Then, if someone complains, usually after 3-4 weeks of berating them (as if when they don't respond the complaint will go away), management pleads ignorance and apologizes, and say they will make good; which no one can prove.

Management is in denial. They think if they keep saying something that everyone will believe it or that it will magically become the truth; sometimes they seem to believe their own lies (they are pathological).

Also, over half the sales of direct-mail packages that I am aware of, were never mailed. Nothing is ever done about this until the client calls to complain about not receiving leads. Then management says sorry, whatever, they will mail it. It is impossible for anyone except management to know if they are mailing as promised, how many solicitations are mailed, how many times each home is mailed, how many leads are generated, or how many times the leads are sold. I estimate that about 80-90% of customers using any of the services are disappointed and never buy again. These people thrive on the old saying "a sucker is born every minute".

Management also misrepresents their sales employment opportunity claiming realistic bonus opportunities. This is not true. They actually try to force the sales people to sell lead generation mail packages, but then will not pay bonus on those sales because their $250 profit on a $650 sale is not enough profit to share at any level. They won't even put the compensation plan in writing so that they can keep changing the terms and conditions; they basically look for ways not to pay followed by the standard silence, and apology if discovered. Of course they never itemize how they calculate bonuses.

From what I know of these people, they are greedy, wreckless--liars, cheats and thieves. I do not trust them at any level nor should you. You can't change criminal logic.

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Addison, Texas

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#1 General Comment

Just curious

AUTHOR: ispy - (United States of America)

Just curious........why was your employee so angry and spiteful toward your company. There must have been a d**n good reason. Did you not pay him for his work or did you fire him? What would he have been fired for if he was fired? Avoiding the question would just make your company look guilty on some level even if the reason of guilt would be unidentified. There would be no reason not to state why he was fired if that is the case. It couldn't be any more illegal to state the reason why an employee was fired than it would be to insinuate that this employee could have made false allegations against your company while using his real name. Also, He obviously would not have been fired for something as simple as showing up late for work repeatedly or your negative feelings and conspiracy theories concerning this employee would not have been strong enough to make this accusation about this SPECIFIC employee without having solid proof as I realize it would be difficult to proof of course. Even so, apparently you and this employee have had a very bad relationship revolving around something a little more serious in the past. Something about your rebuttal just is not adding up, except that, that complaint was the only one. That part did make sense, unless of course it is possible to remove negative reports which I don't believe is the case. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

LeadStar Rebuttal

AUTHOR: Leadstar Leads - (U.S.A.)

LeadStar Leads feels obligated to respond to this derogatory and false document that contains misinformation and maligns the integrity of our company. This ranting and baseless complaint appears to be the sole destructive mindset of an ex-employee, Ken Coleman. The idea of any company berating clients and staying in business is laughable at best, delusional at worst. LeadStar has hundreds of satisfied repeat customers and is proud to note that there has never been an agent complaint on this website. The LeadStar website is or call our office at 866-314-5323 with any questions.
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