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Complaint Review: Legion Express - Chicago Illinois

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  • Reported By: Felix — Hanover Park Illinois USA
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Legion Express These people deal in cash only for a reason Chicago Illinois

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*UPDATE Employee: This claim is completely false

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Let me preface this by saying we never actually used this company for the following reasons. We contacted these folks about a large move from two houses. They did send a very knowledgable man out to both locations and we shortly therafter received an accurate estimate of the inventory. When we received the price quote it seemed appropriate for the size move HOWEVER the contract stated that they only accept cash or certified funds, to the tune of over $13,000. Red flag number one.

When I asked about the use of a credit card, I was told they "would have to check with their provider to see what the cost of using the card would be". Really? What merchant doesn't know what they pay to a credit card company? Red flag number two. When they called back, they told me I would have to pay an ADDITIONAL 3 percent to use my card. When I asked for a copy of their insurance they did not provide it.

Red flag number three and finished with these guys for us. Any company in this business that only accpets cash does this so you cannot file a complaint with your credit card company and get your money back so what does that tell you. Be warned. We went with a big name company, fully insured, bonded. licensed and peace of mind for $1000 more and they took my credit card for the full amount like normal companies do.

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This claim is completely false!

AUTHOR: Walter - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, February 19, 2016

This claim by Philip Novak could not be any further from the truth! Legion Express Inc sent the lead foreman to the home of Philip Novak to perform a visual estimate of his home and another home which was only a few miles away from the first home. Mr Novak stated that the second home belonged to his girlfriend. We are not sure why he has stated that his name is Felix in this complaint of his. Legion Express Inc provided Philip Novak with a binding estimate for the relocation of both homes.

I have attached the series of emails between Legion Express and Philip Novak and our emails clearly state that we take credit cards from our customers. Anyone can see that the total price that we quoted Mr Novak was for $13,375. Mr Novak asked Legion Express if he can get any discounts for the cost of this relocation. Our email reply to Mr Novak clearly states that we can provide a discount for this move if he pays in certified funds. We explained to him that there are fees that are taken by a merchant when we process a credit card. We explained to Mr Novak that this is an extremely large move that he has and that the $13,375 price we gave him was extremely discounted already. We also attached a link to the Department of Transportation FMCSA website for Mr Novak that shows we are a licensed, bonded and insured company. This link is easily visible in our reply email. We also attached a copy of our insurance in the reply email which. Legion Express then sent Mr Novak a very courteous follow up email the next day stating that they had not heard back from him and that they are available to help him in any way that they can. Legion Express never heard back from Philip Novak and found this complaint on Rip Off Report. 

Legion Express Inc has done absolutely nothing wrong and we have no idea why Philip Novak would even submit a false report like this and under a fake name. We can only assume that Mr Novak is trying to cause harm to the spotless reputation that Legion Express is proud of. Legion Express has NEVER EVER refused to take a credit card from a customer for payment of a relocation that we have performed.

Attached below is the email conversation with Philip Novak. The dates time stamped on the emails. At no point was Mr Novak not given the opportunity to pay with a credit card and any reasonable consumer will take notice that Philip Novak, aka Felix, has any legitimacy to this report on this website. 

Legion Express Inc has tried to contact Mr Novak with no response. We advise Mr Novak to contact Legion Express to address any concerns that he might have. Legion Express Inc has contacted our business attorney and will proceed with a civil lawsuit against Philip Novak for libel and defamation against Legion Express. There is a difference between writing an opinion about an experience that a consumer may have with a company and writing absolute lies about what a company did or did not do.

 

Legion Express will not tolerate the defamation of its good name and will take legal action against any parties that take part in malicious acts of defamation.

Re: Your Moving Estimate #8412453

Inbox
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Philip Novak <[email protected] // >

Feb 14 (5 days ago)
 
to me
 
 
 
 
 
Hi Walter;
 
Let me know what our number comes out to. If we do not utilize your services, I need to have time to find another carrier.
 
Philip Novak
 


On Saturday, February 13, 2016 6:24 PM, Walter - Legion Express Inc. <[email protected] // > wrote:



  Binding Moving Estimate Reference No: F8412453 
Legion Express Inc.
1965 W Pershing Rd.
Chicago, IL, 60609
US DOT: 2448674   MC: 845134
 
Customer
Rep:
Walter
Phone: 773-270-8383  
Email: [email protected] //
Web: http://www.legionexpressmoving.com

Moving From Moving To
Philip Nvak 
1901 Grosse Pointe Court 
 
Hanover Park, IL 60133 
Phone: 630-334-7354 Phil
 
 
Philip Nvak
 
Charlotte, NC 28270
Phone: Elaine
 
[email protected] //

Extra Stop / Notes
23 W 501 Trails End Wheaton, IL 60187 

Relocation Details
Job No: F8412453 
Estimate Date: 02/13/2016 
Representative: Walter  
Move Type: Residential Long Distance, 798 miles 
Estimated Volume: 3850 cf. (26946 lbs) 
$3.00 per cf 
 
Move Day: Saturday 
Requested Move Date:  02/27/2016 
Created on: 02/12/2016 
Relocation Estimate 
Basic Estimate Price  $11550.00
Fuel Surcharge: 8.00 %  $924.00
Bulky fee tool box/ riding lawn mower   $500.00
Packing materials both houses   $400.00
On site estimate/ PRICE LOCK   $1.00
Basic Valuation Protection:
$0.60 per lbs. per article

$0.00
Total Moving Estimate  $13375.00

Full Value Protection Amount of Liability: $161,676.00 (Optional)
Deductible Levels: $0  $250  $500  $750  $1000  $1500 
Valuation Charge: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Estimate Plus
Valuation Charge:
$13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00
Customer's Initials: x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________
WARNING: If a moving company loses or damages your goods, there are 2 different standards for the company’s liability based on the types of rates you pay. BY FEDERAL LAW, THIS FORM MUST CONTAIN A FILLED-IN ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF A MOVE FOR WHICH THE MOVING COMPANY IS LIABLE FOR THE FULL (REPLACEMENT) VALUE OF YOUR GOODS in the event of loss of, or damage to, the goods. This form may also contain an estimate of the cost of a move in which the moving company is liable for FAR LESS than the replacement value of your goods, typically at a lower cost to you. You will select the liability level later, on the bill of lading (contract) for your move. Before selecting a liability level, please read “Your Rights and Responsibilities When You Move”, and Ready to Move Brochure provided by the moving company, and seek further information at the government website www.protectyourmove.gov

Understanding Your Estimate

LEGIONS EXPRESS INC IS NOT A MOVING BROKER

Only the items listed are included in the total cost. Any additional items or any additional services added will result in an additional cost.
Customer has selected  a binding estimate. Total costs will not exceed the estimated cost; detailed in the list of pieces, for an estimated weight/volume listed in the “Relocation details” of this agreement, providing that Customer provides Legion Express Inc. with an accurate description of the items that are to be moved and the services that need to be performed. If there is an increase of items, packing services, weight/volume or labor services added at the origin or destination to those quoted in this agreement, the customer may be charged for those services at rates uniform with Legion Express Inc. tariff.


This Moving  Estimate Includes:

  • Professional Door to Door Service.
  • Disassembly and reassembly of standard furniture items disassembled by movers at pick up.
  • Loading and unloading of all furniture, household goods, and boxes.
  • No charge for elevators or first flight of stairs (10 steps)
  • Standard Cargo Protection. Up to $10,000 based on $0.60/lb. per article; if selected at time of pick up.
  • All taxes, tolls, fuel, fuel-surcharges and mileage.
  • Blanket wrapping of furniture.
  • 30 days free  storage for  Interstate moves only. Shipper must request storage at the time the reservation is prepared.
  • No charge for date changes made outside of seven (7) days before first original load date.

Payment  Terms:

  • The customer will pay 20% of the total move estimate or $300, whichever is greater, to have the reservation placed on our calendar and to guarantee that the space on our truck is reserved for their move. This payment will be deducted from the total cost of the move and the balance will be paid in two parts.
  • 50% of the remaining balance will be collected at pick up by carrier in Postal Money Order, Cashier Check or Cash. (Legion Express Inc. may hold the right to collect up to 70% of balance at pick up)
  • Remaining balance is due at delivery in full by Postal Money Order or cash prior to unloading   household goods. If payment is not made in full at delivery prior to unloading, the carrier holds the right to place goods in storage until payment is made in full including storage and re-delivery fees.

Additional  Accessorial Services and Fees:

  • Packing of breakable items like Mirrors, TV’s, Glass, and/or Crating Services. Packing supplies such as boxes, shrink wrap, and bubble wrap if not included in the original estimate. NOTE:Unless packing services are specified in the Packing Material List of this agreement, to avoid any   additional packing charges please have all books, clothes, dishes, mirrors, pictures, table lamps, items in drawers, TV’s and electronics packed in a box   and ready to transport.
  • First flight of stairs is free (10 steps). Each additional flight of stairs is $75.00
  • Long Carry: first 100ft are free. Each additional 100ft is $75.00
  • If a twenty six (26) foot truck or an eighteen (18) wheeler cannot get close to building or house for loading and unloading. A shuttle service may be applied. Shuttle charges are based on load size and shuttle availability, please consult our   representative for additional information.
  • Full Packing: Any additional packing services needed or requested outside of the original   estimate, will incur additional charges.
  • $99.00 charge for date changes made within seven (7) days of the first load date. NOTE: Date   change fees are non-refundable.
  • Storage will be charged at $0.40/cubic foot for any additional months. ($150.00/month minimum)

Company  Refund /Cancellation Policy:

I understand that deposits are non refundable for moves cancelled, or placed on hold on the day of the first estimated packing or load date, or if cancelled on loading dates. If the shipper  decides to cancel the move inside seven (7) business days prior to first pack or load date, there will be a $99.00 cancelation fee deducted from your refund.  Deposits will be 100% refundable  with No Cancellation Fee or Additional Charges for moves cancelled outside seven (7) business days prior to the first estimated pack or load date listed above (whichever applies). I understand that  if I change my load dates up closer than the original load dates, the cancellation policy applies to the new load dates. If load dates are changed to later dates, the cancellation policy applies to the original load dates. All cancellation and refund requests must be done in writing. Cancellation  requests sent to Legion Express Inc. after normal business hours (7:00 PM EST) will be c onsidered received on the following day. All refund requests must be confirmed by Legion Express Inc. before refunds are processed back to your  account. Refunds can take 5-7 business days to reflect on your next statement.

VERY  IMPORTANT: If you are going to add additional pieces/items to your  inventory at origin, or if your inventory pieces/items are different in weight and/or volume from what was estimated on this agreement when the moving crew  arrives:

  • The Foreman will provide you with a revised written estimate to sign on site including all costs necessary for your move.
  • Federal regulation requires Legion Express Inc. to honor original estimate, if foreman has loaded   truck prior to shipper signing and agreeing to revised estimate. You should not allow the moving crew to load the truck or perform any services until the revised estimate has been signed and agreed to by you, the shipper.
  • Do not sign blank moving documents. If the foreman presents you blank moving documents to sign, please contact Legion Express Inc. as soon as possible. If you can, please take pictures of the blank document.
By electronically  signing this agreement, I have read, understood and I am agreeing to the Company  refund/cancellation policy and the following:
  1. The quoted prices and terms are based on the information provided at the time the reservation was made. The items in the inventory have been calculated to an estimated weight/volume or minimum used to determine the transportation requirements upon which your price is determined. Any changes to your inventory may result in different terms and prices uniform with the Legion Express Inc. tariff. If any additional items, services, packing of items, or labor are added or required at the destination or origin then you may be charged for those services and/or items at full tariff rates. Legion Express Inc. reserve the right to re-pack any item not correctly packed by the shipper (drawers must be empty.) Carrier is not to perform any plumbing or any electrical connections or   disconnections.
  2. Upon Legion Express Inc. arriving within the two (2) day pick up window ready to render services agreed on original order, if customer has more items or more services than what was on the original estimate and customer does not allow carrier to perform services, or refuses carrier’s services that was originally signed and agreed upon by customer, customer understands that he or she is forfeiting the deposit made for the services and that refunds under these circumstances will   not be made.
  3. In accordance with 49 CFR §317.113(c)(1), shipper agrees to waive a physical survey of the household goods and alternatively agrees to receive a binding estimate based upon the shippers provided items list of property to be moved, and packing services to be rendered.
  4. Based on the load size and mileage of your move, delivery may take anywhere from 1-21 business days. Estimated time of delivery is determined by many factors beyond the control of Legion Express Inc. such as traffic delays, weather delays, mechanical issues, other customers on the route and/or any acts of God.  
  • Estimated delivery spreads:
  • 0-500 miles: 0-4 business days.
  • 501-1000miles: 1-8 business days.
  • 1001-1500 miles:   2-12 business days.
  • 1501-2000 miles: 3-15 business days.
  • 2001-2500 miles: 4-18 business days.
  • 2501-3000 miles: 5-21 business days.
 
These estimated windows begin on the shipper’s first available delivery date. Goods may b warehoused before delivery. Any situations on delivery such as, no delivery before or after a certain time, or no weekend delivery may cause your delivery schedule to go past the estimated time and may incur additional fees. In the event of any conflict between the Bill of Lading and the terms of any estimate, the terms of the Bill of Lading shall control. The estimated delivery dates and estimated price listed on this agreement is based on a flexible schedule as well as accessible conditions at both pickup & delivery locations. Moves that are picked up outside of their respected pick up dates, due to delays, are eligible for compensation of up to $50 per day depending on the number of days late the customer was serviced. Customer is not eligible for a refund of the deposit for moves picked up outside of their respected pick up dates.  
  1. I have reviewed the brochure’s “Your Rights and Responsibilities When You Move” and “Ready to   move? - Tips For A Successful Move” This agreement between Legion Express Inc. and you represents the entire current understanding and over rules all other understandings, representations and negotiations made by and between such parties including representations made by any estimator. This agreement may not be terminated, amended or waived orally, but only in writing, signed by you and Legion Express Inc. Controlling law, venue, and jurisdiction in any legal matters filed as a result of a dispute of this agreement can and must only be in Cook county, State of Illinois.
  2. Customer agrees and understands that should the customer fail to execute or return this agreement to Legion Express Inc. to pick up the customer’s belongings, the customer expressly agrees and consents to the terms and conditions contained in this agreement.
  3. Customer has selected a binding estimate. Total costs will not exceed the estimated cost; detailed in the list of pieces, for an estimated weight/volume listed in the “Relocation details” of this agreement, providing that Customer provides Legion ExpressInc. with an accurate description of the items that are to be moved, and the services that need to be performed. If there is an increase of   items, packing services, weight/volume or labor services added at the origin or destination to those quoted in this agreement, the Customer may be charged for those services at full tariff rates.
  4. All final balance due’s are to be paid in money order or cash to the carrier prior to the truck being unloaded. If customer fails or refuses to pay balance due, carrier holds the right to warehouse or storage the household goods at shipper’s expense.  For re-delivery of the warehoused or stored household goods, the balance due must be paid in full, including storage and re-delivery fees, prior to the truck loading goods from warehouse or storage and sent out for   delivery.
  5. Upon arrival on load date, the foreman will offer you a new estimate agreement listing all costs for the entire move consistent with the charges listed on this agreement. The total price will be the same listed on this agreement if your inventory weight/volume does not change and/or require additional services. If your inventory is different or services are different, the Forman must provide you with a revised written estimate. Do not allow the moving crew to load the truck or perform any services before you agree in writing to the new estimate.
 

Articles List 92 Items, 444 Pieces
Qty Items
1   AIR COMPRESSOR  
1   BARBECUE GRILL  
1   BEAR  
3   BED, FOOTBOARD  
5   BED, HEADBOARD  
3   BED, QUEEN  
2   BED, TWIN  
1   BENCH, LARGE  
1   BIKE, ADULT  
1   BOOK SHELF  
1   BOOK SHELF, SMALL  
20   BOX, BOOK/SMALL (1.5 CU. FT.)  
6   BOX, BOOK/SMALL (1.5 CU. FT.)  
10   BOX, CHINA/DISH 18X18X28  
70   BOX, LG 18X18X24  
10   BOX, LINEN (4.0 CU. FT)  
140   BOX, MED. 18X18X18  
4   BOX, WARDROBE - (18 CU. FT.)  
1   CABINET, CORNER  
1   CABINET, MEDIUM  
7   CABINET, SMALL  
1   CAR STUFF  
2   CHAIR, ARM  
1   CHAIR, DINING  
4   CHAIR, KITCHEN  
1   CHRISTMAS TREE  
3   CHRISTMAS TREE  
1   CLOCK, WALL  
1   COAT RACK  
1   COMPRESSOR 5FT  
1   COMPUTER CHAIR  
Qty Items
2   COMPUTER DESK  
1   COMPUTER DESK  
1   CORNER CABINET  
1   CURIO CABINET  
1   DECORATION LARGE  
1   DESK, EXECUTIVE  
1   DESK, HUTCH  
1   DINING TABLE  
1   DRESSER, DOUBLE  
1   DRESSER, MIRROR  
2   DRESSER, SINGLE  
1   DRESSER, SINGLE  
1   DRESSER, TRIPLE  
1   EXERCISE MACHINE  
2   FIRE PIT  
1   FIREWOOD CONTAINER  
1   FUTON  
1   GRILL  
2   GUN SAFE  
1   HAMPER  
1   HOSE  
1   HUTCH  
1   LADDER, EXTENSION  
1   LAMP, FLOOR  
1   LAWNMOWER, PUSH  
1   LAWNMOWER, RIDE  
1   LITTLE BEAR  
1   MIRROR, LARGE  
1   MISC BASEMENT  
1   MISC BASEMENT 2  
Qty Items
1   MISC GARAGE  
1   MOOSE  
1   PATIO CHAIR  
2   PATIO CHAIR  
2   PATIO SET, 5 PIECES  
1   PATIO UMBRELLA  
7   PICTURES, LARGE  
20   PLASTIC BIN, LG.  
35   PLASTIC BIN, MED.  
1   PORTABLE TABLE SAW  
1   ROUTER TABLE  
1   SAFE, SMALL  
2   SHOP VAC  
1   SIDE TABLE  
1   SOFA, 2 LOVESEAT  
1   SOFA, 3 SEAT/BED  
1   STORAGE SHED  
1   STRALLER  
1   TABLE SAW  
4   TABLE, END  
1   TABLE, KITCHEN  
1   TOOL BOX MATCO  
2   TOOL BOX, LG. (UP TO 300 LBS)  
3   TOOL BOX, SM.  
1   TOOLS GARDEN  
3   TOOLS GARDEN  
1   WAGON  
4   WALL SHELVES  
1   WARDROBE CLOSET  
2   WELDER  
1   WORK BENCH, REG.  


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Customer Name

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Customer Signature

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Walter Alvarez <[email protected] // >

Feb 14 (5 days ago)
 
to Philip
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello Phil, 
 
I am attaching a pdf file with our company's insurance information. We do carry $750,000 worth of cargo liability on our insurance policy. I am also including a link below to the FMCSA Department of Transportation website which shows that our operating authority is active and that we are licensed, bonded and insured.
 
 
Gregory and I discussed your move for a while last night and this is what we can offer. This is not a move that can be profitable for any company if the cost comes in at under $12,000. That amount of time, labor and equipment involved with this move is just too great. Option 1 would be to lower the total price of this move to $12,000 if it is paid in certified funds. Option number 2 is $13,000 with half of this paid in credit card with no fees and the other half paid in certified funds. Option number 3 is $13,000 and to pay with a credit card and there will be a 3% convenience fee attached to the job order. 
 
Whatever you do decide in the end please keep in mind that any reputable company will not charge less than $14,000 for a move this size. The last move we did that was comparable to this one was only one home at 2800 cubic feet and the price of that move was $11,500 and that profit margin was slim. That move was 1200 cubic feet less than yours in size. Your move comes in at over 3800 cubic feet.
 
I have been moving people for 10 years and have just about seen it all. I have seen customers use another company at times for a large move because they wanted to save a few dollars and in the end they called me and wished they had used my services. You will get what you pay for and it will reflect in the foreman, crews and equipment that show up to move your homes. I have seen companies send rental trucks and and laborer's from Craigslist to do a move this size because they are not equipped to handle this. They are forced to save all the money they can by taking shortcuts and cannot afford to send their regular crews because they have tried to under bid all other companies and in turn have under quoted a customer. Some people think well it's just moving but their is a huge difference between professional movers and some guys that just carry furniture. This is not a sales pitch I promise. This is the truth of the matter. 
 
Give this some thought and let me know what your thoughts are. You can search for a mover for the next two weeks but I promise you that any reputable company cannot do this for less than the price we I have given here. You will be getting professional, experienced crews with Legion Express. We do not have any complaints and this is for a reason. It is because Legion Express provides the best moving services possible at a rate that is usually better than any other moving company, whether that company be a good one or not. Thanks again for considering Legion Express and I look forward to your reply.
 
 
Walter Alvarez
Operations Manager
Legion Express Inc
[email protected] //
Main    773-270-8383
Direct  773-270-8338
Fax     773-270-8338
www.legionexpressmoving.com

USDOT:2448674  MC-845134

 
 
 

Walter Alvarez <[email protected] // >

Feb 15 (4 days ago)
 
to Philip
 
 
 
 
 
Hello Phil I haven't heard back from you. Was there anything in our quote that you were not comfortable with? I know that Gregory had told me you were looking to be in the 11 to 12 thousand dollar range for this move. I was able to get you to $12,000. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to make this happen. If I can get it done then I certainly will I promise you. Communication is always the key to a good move. Let me know what your thoughts are. I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks again.
 
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This claim is completely false

AUTHOR: Walter - (USA)

POSTED: Friday, February 19, 2016

This claim by Philip Novak could not be any further from the truth! Legion Express Inc sent the lead foreman to the home of Philip Novak to perform a visual estimate of his home and another home which was only a few miles away from the first home. Mr Novak stated that the second home belonged to his girlfriend. We are not sure why he has stated that his name is Felix in this complaint of his. Legion Express Inc provided Philip Novak with a binding estimate for the relocation of both homes.

I have attached the series of emails between Legion Express and Philip Novak and our emails clearly state that we take credit cards from our customers. Anyone can see that the total price that we quoted Mr Novak was for $13,375. Mr Novak asked Legion Express if he can get any discounts for the cost of this relocation. Our email reply to Mr Novak clearly states that we can provide a discount for this move if he pays in certified funds. We explained to him that there are fees that are taken by a merchant when we process a credit card. We explained to Mr Novak that this is an extremely large move that he has and that the $13,375 price we gave him was extremely discounted already. We also attached a link to the Department of Transportation FMCSA website for Mr Novak that shows we are a licensed, bonded and insured company. This link is easily visible in our reply email. We also attached a copy of our insurance in the reply email which. Legion Express then sent Mr Novak a very courteous follow up email the next day stating that they had not heard back from him and that they are available to help him in any way that they can. Legion Express never heard back from Philip Novak and found this complaint on Rip Off Report. 

Legion Express Inc has done absolutely nothing wrong and we have no idea why Philip Novak would even submit a false report like this and under a fake name. We can only assume that Mr Novak is trying to cause harm to the spotless reputation that Legion Express is proud of. Legion Express has NEVER EVER refused to take a credit card from a customer for payment of a relocation that we have performed.

Attached below is the email conversation with Philip Novak. The dates time stamped on the emails. At no point was Mr Novak not given the opportunity to pay with a credit card and any reasonable consumer will take notice that Philip Novak, aka Felix, has any legitimacy to this report on this website. 

Legion Express Inc has tried to contact Mr Novak with no response. We advise Mr Novak to contact Legion Express to address any concerns that he might have. Legion Express Inc has contacted our business attorney and will proceed with a civil lawsuit against Philip Novak for libel and defamation against Legion Express. There is a difference between writing an opinion about an experience that a consumer may have with a company and writing absolute lies about what a company did or did not do.

 

Legion Express will not tolerate the defamation of its good name and will take legal action against any parties that take part in malicious acts of defamation.

Re: Your Moving Estimate #8412453

Inbox
x
 
 
 

Philip Novak <[email protected] // >

Feb 14 (5 days ago)
 
to me
 
 
 
 
 
Hi Walter;
 
Let me know what our number comes out to. If we do not utilize your services, I need to have time to find another carrier.
 
Philip Novak
 


On Saturday, February 13, 2016 6:24 PM, Walter - Legion Express Inc. <[email protected] // > wrote:



  Binding Moving Estimate Reference No: F8412453 
Legion Express Inc.
1965 W Pershing Rd.
Chicago, IL, 60609
US DOT: 2448674   MC: 845134
 
Customer
Rep:
Walter
Phone: 773-270-8383  
Email: [email protected] //
Web: http://www.legionexpressmoving.com

Moving From Moving To
Philip Nvak 
1901 Grosse Pointe Court 
 
Hanover Park, IL 60133 
Phone: 630-334-7354 Phil
 
 
Philip Nvak
 
Charlotte, NC 28270
Phone: Elaine
 
[email protected] //

Extra Stop / Notes
23 W 501 Trails End Wheaton, IL 60187 

Relocation Details
Job No: F8412453 
Estimate Date: 02/13/2016 
Representative: Walter  
Move Type: Residential Long Distance, 798 miles 
Estimated Volume: 3850 cf. (26946 lbs) 
$3.00 per cf 
 
Move Day: Saturday 
Requested Move Date:  02/27/2016 
Created on: 02/12/2016 
Relocation Estimate 
Basic Estimate Price  $11550.00
Fuel Surcharge: 8.00 %  $924.00
Bulky fee tool box/ riding lawn mower   $500.00
Packing materials both houses   $400.00
On site estimate/ PRICE LOCK   $1.00
Basic Valuation Protection:
$0.60 per lbs. per article

$0.00
Total Moving Estimate  $13375.00

Full Value Protection Amount of Liability: $161,676.00 (Optional)
Deductible Levels: $0  $250  $500  $750  $1000  $1500 
Valuation Charge: $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Estimate Plus
Valuation Charge:
$13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00 $13375.00
Customer's Initials: x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________ x_________
WARNING: If a moving company loses or damages your goods, there are 2 different standards for the company’s liability based on the types of rates you pay. BY FEDERAL LAW, THIS FORM MUST CONTAIN A FILLED-IN ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF A MOVE FOR WHICH THE MOVING COMPANY IS LIABLE FOR THE FULL (REPLACEMENT) VALUE OF YOUR GOODS in the event of loss of, or damage to, the goods. This form may also contain an estimate of the cost of a move in which the moving company is liable for FAR LESS than the replacement value of your goods, typically at a lower cost to you. You will select the liability level later, on the bill of lading (contract) for your move. Before selecting a liability level, please read “Your Rights and Responsibilities When You Move”, and Ready to Move Brochure provided by the moving company, and seek further information at the government website www.protectyourmove.gov

Understanding Your Estimate

LEGIONS EXPRESS INC IS NOT A MOVING BROKER

Only the items listed are included in the total cost. Any additional items or any additional services added will result in an additional cost.
Customer has selected  a binding estimate. Total costs will not exceed the estimated cost; detailed in the list of pieces, for an estimated weight/volume listed in the “Relocation details” of this agreement, providing that Customer provides Legion Express Inc. with an accurate description of the items that are to be moved and the services that need to be performed. If there is an increase of items, packing services, weight/volume or labor services added at the origin or destination to those quoted in this agreement, the customer may be charged for those services at rates uniform with Legion Express Inc. tariff.


This Moving  Estimate Includes:

  • Professional Door to Door Service.
  • Disassembly and reassembly of standard furniture items disassembled by movers at pick up.
  • Loading and unloading of all furniture, household goods, and boxes.
  • No charge for elevators or first flight of stairs (10 steps)
  • Standard Cargo Protection. Up to $10,000 based on $0.60/lb. per article; if selected at time of pick up.
  • All taxes, tolls, fuel, fuel-surcharges and mileage.
  • Blanket wrapping of furniture.
  • 30 days free  storage for  Interstate moves only. Shipper must request storage at the time the reservation is prepared.
  • No charge for date changes made outside of seven (7) days before first original load date.

Payment  Terms:

  • The customer will pay 20% of the total move estimate or $300, whichever is greater, to have the reservation placed on our calendar and to guarantee that the space on our truck is reserved for their move. This payment will be deducted from the total cost of the move and the balance will be paid in two parts.
  • 50% of the remaining balance will be collected at pick up by carrier in Postal Money Order, Cashier Check or Cash. (Legion Express Inc. may hold the right to collect up to 70% of balance at pick up)
  • Remaining balance is due at delivery in full by Postal Money Order or cash prior to unloading   household goods. If payment is not made in full at delivery prior to unloading, the carrier holds the right to place goods in storage until payment is made in full including storage and re-delivery fees.

Additional  Accessorial Services and Fees:

  • Packing of breakable items like Mirrors, TV’s, Glass, and/or Crating Services. Packing supplies such as boxes, shrink wrap, and bubble wrap if not included in the original estimate. NOTE:Unless packing services are specified in the Packing Material List of this agreement, to avoid any   additional packing charges please have all books, clothes, dishes, mirrors, pictures, table lamps, items in drawers, TV’s and electronics packed in a box   and ready to transport.
  • First flight of stairs is free (10 steps). Each additional flight of stairs is $75.00
  • Long Carry: first 100ft are free. Each additional 100ft is $75.00
  • If a twenty six (26) foot truck or an eighteen (18) wheeler cannot get close to building or house for loading and unloading. A shuttle service may be applied. Shuttle charges are based on load size and shuttle availability, please consult our   representative for additional information.
  • Full Packing: Any additional packing services needed or requested outside of the original   estimate, will incur additional charges.
  • $99.00 charge for date changes made within seven (7) days of the first load date. NOTE: Date   change fees are non-refundable.
  • Storage will be charged at $0.40/cubic foot for any additional months. ($150.00/month minimum)

Company  Refund /Cancellation Policy:

I understand that deposits are non refundable for moves cancelled, or placed on hold on the day of the first estimated packing or load date, or if cancelled on loading dates. If the shipper  decides to cancel the move inside seven (7) business days prior to first pack or load date, there will be a $99.00 cancelation fee deducted from your refund.  Deposits will be 100% refundable  with No Cancellation Fee or Additional Charges for moves cancelled outside seven (7) business days prior to the first estimated pack or load date listed above (whichever applies). I understand that  if I change my load dates up closer than the original load dates, the cancellation policy applies to the new load dates. If load dates are changed to later dates, the cancellation policy applies to the original load dates. All cancellation and refund requests must be done in writing. Cancellation  requests sent to Legion Express Inc. after normal business hours (7:00 PM EST) will be c onsidered received on the following day. All refund requests must be confirmed by Legion Express Inc. before refunds are processed back to your  account. Refunds can take 5-7 business days to reflect on your next statement.

VERY  IMPORTANT: If you are going to add additional pieces/items to your  inventory at origin, or if your inventory pieces/items are different in weight and/or volume from what was estimated on this agreement when the moving crew  arrives:

  • The Foreman will provide you with a revised written estimate to sign on site including all costs necessary for your move.
  • Federal regulation requires Legion Express Inc. to honor original estimate, if foreman has loaded   truck prior to shipper signing and agreeing to revised estimate. You should not allow the moving crew to load the truck or perform any services until the revised estimate has been signed and agreed to by you, the shipper.
  • Do not sign blank moving documents. If the foreman presents you blank moving documents to sign, please contact Legion Express Inc. as soon as possible. If you can, please take pictures of the blank document.
By electronically  signing this agreement, I have read, understood and I am agreeing to the Company  refund/cancellation policy and the following:
  1. The quoted prices and terms are based on the information provided at the time the reservation was made. The items in the inventory have been calculated to an estimated weight/volume or minimum used to determine the transportation requirements upon which your price is determined. Any changes to your inventory may result in different terms and prices uniform with the Legion Express Inc. tariff. If any additional items, services, packing of items, or labor are added or required at the destination or origin then you may be charged for those services and/or items at full tariff rates. Legion Express Inc. reserve the right to re-pack any item not correctly packed by the shipper (drawers must be empty.) Carrier is not to perform any plumbing or any electrical connections or   disconnections.
  2. Upon Legion Express Inc. arriving within the two (2) day pick up window ready to render services agreed on original order, if customer has more items or more services than what was on the original estimate and customer does not allow carrier to perform services, or refuses carrier’s services that was originally signed and agreed upon by customer, customer understands that he or she is forfeiting the deposit made for the services and that refunds under these circumstances will   not be made.
  3. In accordance with 49 CFR §317.113(c)(1), shipper agrees to waive a physical survey of the household goods and alternatively agrees to receive a binding estimate based upon the shippers provided items list of property to be moved, and packing services to be rendered.
  4. Based on the load size and mileage of your move, delivery may take anywhere from 1-21 business days. Estimated time of delivery is determined by many factors beyond the control of Legion Express Inc. such as traffic delays, weather delays, mechanical issues, other customers on the route and/or any acts of God.  
  • Estimated delivery spreads:
  • 0-500 miles: 0-4 business days.
  • 501-1000miles: 1-8 business days.
  • 1001-1500 miles:   2-12 business days.
  • 1501-2000 miles: 3-15 business days.
  • 2001-2500 miles: 4-18 business days.
  • 2501-3000 miles: 5-21 business days.
 
These estimated windows begin on the shipper’s first available delivery date. Goods may b warehoused before delivery. Any situations on delivery such as, no delivery before or after a certain time, or no weekend delivery may cause your delivery schedule to go past the estimated time and may incur additional fees. In the event of any conflict between the Bill of Lading and the terms of any estimate, the terms of the Bill of Lading shall control. The estimated delivery dates and estimated price listed on this agreement is based on a flexible schedule as well as accessible conditions at both pickup & delivery locations. Moves that are picked up outside of their respected pick up dates, due to delays, are eligible for compensation of up to $50 per day depending on the number of days late the customer was serviced. Customer is not eligible for a refund of the deposit for moves picked up outside of their respected pick up dates.  
  1. I have reviewed the brochure’s “Your Rights and Responsibilities When You Move” and “Ready to   move? - Tips For A Successful Move” This agreement between Legion Express Inc. and you represents the entire current understanding and over rules all other understandings, representations and negotiations made by and between such parties including representations made by any estimator. This agreement may not be terminated, amended or waived orally, but only in writing, signed by you and Legion Express Inc. Controlling law, venue, and jurisdiction in any legal matters filed as a result of a dispute of this agreement can and must only be in Cook county, State of Illinois.
  2. Customer agrees and understands that should the customer fail to execute or return this agreement to Legion Express Inc. to pick up the customer’s belongings, the customer expressly agrees and consents to the terms and conditions contained in this agreement.
  3. Customer has selected a binding estimate. Total costs will not exceed the estimated cost; detailed in the list of pieces, for an estimated weight/volume listed in the “Relocation details” of this agreement, providing that Customer provides Legion ExpressInc. with an accurate description of the items that are to be moved, and the services that need to be performed. If there is an increase of   items, packing services, weight/volume or labor services added at the origin or destination to those quoted in this agreement, the Customer may be charged for those services at full tariff rates.
  4. All final balance due’s are to be paid in money order or cash to the carrier prior to the truck being unloaded. If customer fails or refuses to pay balance due, carrier holds the right to warehouse or storage the household goods at shipper’s expense.  For re-delivery of the warehoused or stored household goods, the balance due must be paid in full, including storage and re-delivery fees, prior to the truck loading goods from warehouse or storage and sent out for   delivery.
  5. Upon arrival on load date, the foreman will offer you a new estimate agreement listing all costs for the entire move consistent with the charges listed on this agreement. The total price will be the same listed on this agreement if your inventory weight/volume does not change and/or require additional services. If your inventory is different or services are different, the Forman must provide you with a revised written estimate. Do not allow the moving crew to load the truck or perform any services before you agree in writing to the new estimate.
 

Articles List 92 Items, 444 Pieces
Qty Items
1   AIR COMPRESSOR  
1   BARBECUE GRILL  
1   BEAR  
3   BED, FOOTBOARD  
5   BED, HEADBOARD  
3   BED, QUEEN  
2   BED, TWIN  
1   BENCH, LARGE  
1   BIKE, ADULT  
1   BOOK SHELF  
1   BOOK SHELF, SMALL  
20   BOX, BOOK/SMALL (1.5 CU. FT.)  
6   BOX, BOOK/SMALL (1.5 CU. FT.)  
10   BOX, CHINA/DISH 18X18X28  
70   BOX, LG 18X18X24  
10   BOX, LINEN (4.0 CU. FT)  
140   BOX, MED. 18X18X18  
4   BOX, WARDROBE - (18 CU. FT.)  
1   CABINET, CORNER  
1   CABINET, MEDIUM  
7   CABINET, SMALL  
1   CAR STUFF  
2   CHAIR, ARM  
1   CHAIR, DINING  
4   CHAIR, KITCHEN  
1   CHRISTMAS TREE  
3   CHRISTMAS TREE  
1   CLOCK, WALL  
1   COAT RACK  
1   COMPRESSOR 5FT  
1   COMPUTER CHAIR  
Qty Items
2   COMPUTER DESK  
1   COMPUTER DESK  
1   CORNER CABINET  
1   CURIO CABINET  
1   DECORATION LARGE  
1   DESK, EXECUTIVE  
1   DESK, HUTCH  
1   DINING TABLE  
1   DRESSER, DOUBLE  
1   DRESSER, MIRROR  
2   DRESSER, SINGLE  
1   DRESSER, SINGLE  
1   DRESSER, TRIPLE  
1   EXERCISE MACHINE  
2   FIRE PIT  
1   FIREWOOD CONTAINER  
1   FUTON  
1   GRILL  
2   GUN SAFE  
1   HAMPER  
1   HOSE  
1   HUTCH  
1   LADDER, EXTENSION  
1   LAMP, FLOOR  
1   LAWNMOWER, PUSH  
1   LAWNMOWER, RIDE  
1   LITTLE BEAR  
1   MIRROR, LARGE  
1   MISC BASEMENT  
1   MISC BASEMENT 2  
Qty Items
1   MISC GARAGE  
1   MOOSE  
1   PATIO CHAIR  
2   PATIO CHAIR  
2   PATIO SET, 5 PIECES  
1   PATIO UMBRELLA  
7   PICTURES, LARGE  
20   PLASTIC BIN, LG.  
35   PLASTIC BIN, MED.  
1   PORTABLE TABLE SAW  
1   ROUTER TABLE  
1   SAFE, SMALL  
2   SHOP VAC  
1   SIDE TABLE  
1   SOFA, 2 LOVESEAT  
1   SOFA, 3 SEAT/BED  
1   STORAGE SHED  
1   STRALLER  
1   TABLE SAW  
4   TABLE, END  
1   TABLE, KITCHEN  
1   TOOL BOX MATCO  
2   TOOL BOX, LG. (UP TO 300 LBS)  
3   TOOL BOX, SM.  
1   TOOLS GARDEN  
3   TOOLS GARDEN  
1   WAGON  
4   WALL SHELVES  
1   WARDROBE CLOSET  
2   WELDER  
1   WORK BENCH, REG.  


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Walter Alvarez <[email protected] // >

Feb 14 (5 days ago)
 
to Philip
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello Phil, 
 
I am attaching a pdf file with our company's insurance information. We do carry $750,000 worth of cargo liability on our insurance policy. I am also including a link below to the FMCSA Department of Transportation website which shows that our operating authority is active and that we are licensed, bonded and insured.
 
 
Gregory and I discussed your move for a while last night and this is what we can offer. This is not a move that can be profitable for any company if the cost comes in at under $12,000. That amount of time, labor and equipment involved with this move is just too great. Option 1 would be to lower the total price of this move to $12,000 if it is paid in certified funds. Option number 2 is $13,000 with half of this paid in credit card with no fees and the other half paid in certified funds. Option number 3 is $13,000 and to pay with a credit card and there will be a 3% convenience fee attached to the job order. 
 
Whatever you do decide in the end please keep in mind that any reputable company will not charge less than $14,000 for a move this size. The last move we did that was comparable to this one was only one home at 2800 cubic feet and the price of that move was $11,500 and that profit margin was slim. That move was 1200 cubic feet less than yours in size. Your move comes in at over 3800 cubic feet.
 
I have been moving people for 10 years and have just about seen it all. I have seen customers use another company at times for a large move because they wanted to save a few dollars and in the end they called me and wished they had used my services. You will get what you pay for and it will reflect in the foreman, crews and equipment that show up to move your homes. I have seen companies send rental trucks and and laborer's from Craigslist to do a move this size because they are not equipped to handle this. They are forced to save all the money they can by taking shortcuts and cannot afford to send their regular crews because they have tried to under bid all other companies and in turn have under quoted a customer. Some people think well it's just moving but their is a huge difference between professional movers and some guys that just carry furniture. This is not a sales pitch I promise. This is the truth of the matter. 
 
Give this some thought and let me know what your thoughts are. You can search for a mover for the next two weeks but I promise you that any reputable company cannot do this for less than the price we I have given here. You will be getting professional, experienced crews with Legion Express. We do not have any complaints and this is for a reason. It is because Legion Express provides the best moving services possible at a rate that is usually better than any other moving company, whether that company be a good one or not. Thanks again for considering Legion Express and I look forward to your reply.
 
 
Walter Alvarez
Operations Manager
Legion Express Inc
[email protected] //
Main    773-270-8383
Direct  773-270-8338
Fax     773-270-8338
www.legionexpressmoving.com

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Walter Alvarez <[email protected] // >

Feb 15 (4 days ago)
 
to Philip
 
 
 
 
 
Hello Phil I haven't heard back from you. Was there anything in our quote that you were not comfortable with? I know that Gregory had told me you were looking to be in the 11 to 12 thousand dollar range for this move. I was able to get you to $12,000. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to make this happen. If I can get it done then I certainly will I promise you. Communication is always the key to a good move. Let me know what your thoughts are. I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks again.
 
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