• Report: #1099068
Complaint Review:

Leon Apel

  • Submitted: Wed, November 13, 2013
  • Updated: Wed, November 13, 2013

  • Reported By: Ripp Off Alert — San Diego California
Leon Apel
660 Ash Street, San Diego, CA 92101 San Diego, California USA

Leon Apel, Outperform Media, VSC partners INC, Trade Daddy, Green Tone Pro, Green Diet Pro, Green Tone Lean, and more! VSC INC - Company with multiple businesses that all SCAM. Lead by LEON APEL BEWARE San Diego California

*Author of original report: Stephen Dowd -- Employee of Leon Apel -

*UPDATE Employee: Derick Downs needs to move on

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Derick Downs is a Scammer and Liar who Mad He Was Fired

*Author of original report: Watch out for liar, scam, & cheat - Leon Apel with Latter Rain LLC, Tech Solution Supply, Travel Business Professionals, and VSC Partners LLC, l

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BEWARE OF SCAMS FROM: Leon Apel, Karl Bach, VSC INC, Green Tone Pro, Trade Daddy
When I got the job from this tool, I already could tell he was a scammer.  I was hired as a w-2 employee.  He never paid me my outsourcing budget as we agreed so I complained to him that I wanted the money I was deserved.  
He ended up trying to say he needs to make me a 1099 contractor so he can pay me...
Well what he did was fire me and try to say that he will not pay me the remainder of the funds he owes me (and I have the print out from him to prove it) until I finish another project for him..   At this time I actually was going to just finish the project in order to get the rest of the funds I was owed.  HOWEVER.... He cut all my access so I couldnt work on anything... So he says he will pay me when I finish the site, but then takes all access away so I cant work on the site... 
This guy is a real jerk off.  I wouldn't ever work with him under any circumstances.  This company is going to get shut down by the FTC for fraud.  My entire job was to steal other websites from competiton, photoshop our product, then get a new merchant account for when the next one gets shut down.  
Green Tone Pro, Green Tone Lean, and many other variations are the same company.  All of those companies that acts like they are sending you a FREE 30 day subscription of a product... Then within 14 days they rebill automatically for $89.00.  They feed off of people not reading the proper terms.  They make false claims on all their products.  I know because I had to RE-Word some things to make them seem compliant.  This company, and any associated with Leon Apel, or Karl Bach are scams and Beware.... 
This corporation VCS INC. hired me to outsource several websites for several of VSC INC's companies such as:
Green Tone Pro
Trade Daddy
Secure Order
Green Diet Pro
Ven Cleanse 
And Many More  
All of which act like your getting a free trial, but then rebill at a much higher rate.  All the calls go to a call center. They then also call back people acting as a 3rd party company trying to get you to admit you mad the purchase once a customer files a charge back with their bank.  These guys need to be slapped then stopped.
Here is his facebook : www.facebook.com/leonapel
Here is his twitter : twitter.com/leonapel
Here is his brand yourself  leonapel.brandyourself.com
Here is his You Tube: youtube.com/user/leonapel
Here is something that I found when seaching the Internet.  Somebody else seems to have a bad experience as well.    

Beware LEON APEL is a high profile scammer from canada is fooling people with VSC Partners by doing fake fundamental research and creating unrealistic portfolios and cheating people. He has cheated other companies by taking demos from there sales team, copying their videos and replicating them for his person/company benefit.

My personal recommendation is not to use LEON APEL and this company VSC Partners from Nevada who runs it.

VSC Partners office is located at 10120 S Eastern Ave, Suite 200  Henderson, NV 89052
Toll-free: 1-888-548-6661
There San Diego Location is at 660 Ash Street in San Diego, CA 92101.  Directly below the Holiday Inn.  

Here are some sites that link to LEON APEL
Self proclaimed Entrepreneurial and Investor says much high about himself on this blog. He is a liar and a cheat.  

Thursday, 15 September 201


Leon Apel SellsmartFast

Leon Apel who has HBA at the Richard Ivey School of Business in Canada is a SCAM, a fraud who cheats people. He is fraud who took more than $10,000 for trying to show fake business and get visa for USA to start his business by building sellsmartfast.com/ website, he also owns OutperformMedia LLC

He has terrible ethics when working with vendor and providing solutions to his clients. LEON APEL with OutperformMedia is a liar who twists the truth and provide fake results to clients.

My personal recommendation is NOT to use this guy LEON APEL from Canada or USA for your business.
Please be Aware and do not do business with this man leonapel.com/

BTW- These guys have no skills besides online scams.  It wouldn't surprise me if they were in another 3rd world country right now trying to do the same thing to other suckers they find.  These guys are whats wrong with the online world we use.  
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#1 Author of original report

Stephen Dowd -- Employee of Leon Apel -

AUTHOR: Ripp Off Alert - ()

First off I think its funny you say move on when you keep posting things on RIP OFF REPORT, and making fake websites with my name in them.  

***Just so anybody who reads this knows the rebuttal above comes from this dork named Stephan Dowd who works with the other dork named Leon Apel with OUTPERFORM MEDIA & several other DBA's.****

Check his linked in profile im sure he could use a friend  linkedin.com/pub/stephen-dowd/6/673/8a 

- Steve cant even put his company name where he works on his Linkedin profile..... Whats up with that?


Steve pretty bold statement coming from you MONTHS after I left your company.  I texted you back and forth after I left.  Didnt realize we had any issues or that I was troubled because I was trying to turn my key in?? 

See Image of text conversations between Stephan Down & Derick Downs.  These guys are reaching deep becaue I posted this original RIP OFF REPORT on them:  


Since your coming here after months I'll let you know what I think of you.  Your a little scamming dirtball yourself.  How stupid are you really?? Leon Apel pays you a bonus to put your name on shady merchant accounts? You know the second those get shut down you'll be on MATCH forever....  I used to feel bad for you, but now I can tell how stupid you are and I hope you find out the hard way. Your entire job is to justify that people didn't actually read the terms and condidtions when you offered them a free account.  You use like 50 fake names when other people call because you can't be upfront about how you are ripping them off. You record the calls, send them to the bank and try to get refunds reversed. All so the company doesn't have to pay a chargeback to the bank.   How's your KARMA you f****** loser???

I think both you guys (Steven Dowd are Leon Apel) are extreme duece bags.  I've gotten over the fact that your not going to pay me, but if you really want to get employees involved I will send this report to all the freelancers who I outsourced your projects to & let them come on here to rebutal about how they feel about your guys false statements.  


P.S.  I'll handel this in a much different way then you dorks are probably used to.  I really dont care what you guys try because I don't rip people off like you.  I don't think you'll ever win Most Admired CEO from San Diego Business Journal anytime soon.  





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#2 UPDATE Employee

Derick Downs needs to move on

AUTHOR: sdowd - ()

I just came across this report and I had to say something. I witnessed the entire Derick Downs ordeal and I can speak non-biasedly about it. To make a long story short: He was a hire that did not work out. I saw a few red flags in the first week or so. The first was when he divuldged useless information to us (repeatedly) about how he turned a job offer from Sony Corp down to work for Leon. I've had my experience with crazy women in the past and this guy seemed like a stalker. Everything he talked about somehow involved him being a victim. I knew after a week he was trouble but I kept my mouth shut. Fast forward 2 weeks and he's no longer employed with us and acting like a psycho, texting and calling me repeatedly with nonsense. I had to block him on my phone finally. Derick Downs is a troubled human being who needs to get honest with himself. And Derick, if you are reading this, the State of California has programs in place for those with issues.

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Derick Downs is a Scammer and Liar who Mad He Was Fired

AUTHOR: thetruth - ()

Derick Downs (Derick James Downs) from Bidslist wrote the above disparaging information.

This is just another Derick Downs scam and he's a liar, which we've proved without a reasonable doubt here: derick-downs-san-diego.blogspot.com/Attached is proof that Derick Downs, who lost us money and didn't do his job, was still paid upon termination.

Fact: Derick Downs never mentioned he had an issue with any of our businesses before he was fired. In fact, we were the ones who told Derick to comply with rules. We gave him a checklist of items to ensure we are compliant. We take compliance seriously. 

Derick Downs, based in San Diego, California (Who was Fired) Wrote the Above Libel.

The following are the facts about Derick Down's lies:

1) Derick James Downs mispelled a significant portion of the information above, which doesn't give him a lot of credibility.

2) Derick James Downs was fired as an independent contractor for poor performance and losing our company money

3) Derick James Downs violated our Non Disclosure Agreement by posting some information, which now gives us another cause to sue for damages

4) Derick James Downs did not complete work that he was paid to do, left projects incomplete/late and did not provide updates as required. He also lost us money by terribly managing an advertising budget.

5) Derick James Downs is now being chased after by the State of California Franchise Tax Board for tax years 2010 and 2011. They sent us a "EARNINGS WITHOLDING ORDER FOR TAXES" 

6) Derick James Downs harassed employees, and business associates after being fired.

7) Derick James Downs committed libel with this faulty ripoffreport

8) Derick James Downs tried to extort us to pay him for work he NEVER PERFORMED and that we had to PAY OTHERS TO DO. He whined that he would complain to the labor board

9) Derick Downs posted two ripoffreports saying "See here is what other businesses are posting about him too" as if he didn't post two reports. 

10) Derick Downs COPIED the the pricing structure that he criticized as you can see here: derick-downs-san-diego.blogspot.com/2013/12/derick-downs-bidslist-scam.html

11) Derick Downs has 2 fake testimonials for Bidslist (he misled us in hiring him): derick-downs-san-diego.blogspot.com/2013/12/derick-downs-bidslist-scam.html

12) Derick Downs did not complete the work and we paid our regular programmer to get it done much faster: derick-downs-san-diego.blogspot.com/2013/12/derick-downs-scam-lies-part-2.html 

The above is the truth about this matter.  

Derick James Downs appears to be a hater. If he keeps this up, he won't go far in life. 

We have many happy team members who are honest, and hard working. Derick Downs was our WORST HIRING DECISION.

P.S. I have 10+ references of people who can vouch for my trustworthiness and have team members I've worked with for YEARS. 

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#4 Author of original report

Watch out for liar, scam, & cheat - Leon Apel with Latter Rain LLC, Tech Solution Supply, Travel Business Professionals, and VSC Partners LLC, l

AUTHOR: Ripp Off Alert - ()

The following are direct responses to Leon Apel'a bold statements:

1)-Read again dude- the misspelled portion of this was provided by somebody else. Probably another person you screwed over, or a rip of report publisher.

2) I was hired as a w-2 contractor. Attached is my pay stub from Paychex.com, and W2 form proving I was a w2 employees: (representative for paychex is Jessica, and she can verify how shady you business practices are)  Please explain how I was hired as a W-2 contractor, but then once you could afford to pay me, you act like you hired me as a 1099 contractor..

3) You made me sign a bunch of forms if I wanted to get paid.  The W2 I signed doesn't matter to you, but this NDA hiding your sneaky, scams & sales techniques does.... I should have never trusted you after you explained some issues with your prior employees.  I should have realized your the problem not them.

4) I outsourced more sites for you in a month then anybody you've ever met.  Don't act like I didn't do more work then you expected (you even said this)  You didn't pay me, Karl didn't pay me, and both of you havent paid the freelancers that I hired to do your work.  I had to come out of pocket for a job which is BS as well.

5) Being chased?? IRS clearly knows where I'm at. They aren't stupid.  Maybe in Canada they are since I know you don't pay taxes.. I'm not going to call and research because it doesn't matter.  Not sure why you did... Typically CEOs that are busy don't have the time to deal with reasearchinh ex employees or pirate taxes...

6) You have 1 employee and outsource the rest to call centers off shore because your to scared of dealing with the pain you cause to ever person who thinks there getting a FREE trial of your products. I have no idea why any affiliate would run any offers for any company you represent.  If they do they should expect to get paid only when you have funds, read all legal documents carefully, and ask others about Leon Apel before marketing any offer for them.

7) I assure you I wouldn't take the time to write a report if you would have held up to your end of the job offer.  You think you can use internet bullying skills to scare people, but sorry bro... Your a little dude from Canada.  Why don't you go back to your country EH? You have no friends or loyal customers.  Your run pump and dump operations.

8) You changed access and I couldn't finish any work if I tried, nor could any of my freelancers. Your the reason programmers don't like working with people. You never paid anybody on my team., made us work 12+hour days and only would pay for 8 hours because you "supposedly" follow the state, FTC, SEC, and IRS rules... I'm pretty sure the way you operate in different countries allows you to some how bypass taxes... But glad your looking into mine.

The above is the truth about this matter.  I've already filed complaints with the labor board, RIP off Report, and soon several others.  I would appreciate everybody share this message with at least 1 person to save them from this Canadian fraudster.

Latter Rain LLC, Tech Solution Supply, Travel Business Professionals, and VSC Partners LLC, located
at 6440 Sky Pointe Dr 140-101, Las Vegas, NV 89131 are all businesses assiociated with Leon Apel.


It's ironic that it took my first rip off report to hear back from you.  Be a man and own up to the funds you owe others.

***If anybody believes any bold lies from this dork please google me, speak with references, or Check out my professional profile and connect with me on LinkedIn  lnkd.in/BXGF8f

i apologize to anybody who has  purchased products off the websites I buildto for these scammers.
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