Liberty League International, LLI - United Kingdom - Beware LLI scam-cancelled $8K conference without refund-found guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation by Arizona Attorney General-its a con Scottsdale Arizona

The details of the suit filed by the Class Action lawyer I retained can be seen below:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/06/16/Liberty_League_Called_a_$5_Million_Scam.htm

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/07/31/Liberty%20League.pdf

Many thanks to everyone who has contacted me

What i find annoying is the fact that a disgruntled distributor is allowed to write negatives on a site like this, which destroys all the hard work of the distributors in Liberty League who are doing the right thing.

This person had a bad experience with a distributor, does this mean that LLI distributors are all bad, or misleading?

If you get a dodgy real estate agent, does this mean all real estate agents are bad?

Of course not.

THE business is built on integrity, selling Personal development products. This business helps people build a great life, and at the same time if you have desire, make a huge income. But it's a business, not a get rich quick scheme. It's approved by Dun and Bradstreet with AAA credit rating.

It's a business with integrity. Sure some idiots join and do the wrong thing, just like idiots buy a Mcdonalds or Wendy's franchise. Does that mean Ray Crock or the Mcdonalds brothers are bad people, of course not.

cheers
Dave.

What i find annoying is the fact that a disgruntled distributor is allowed to write negatives on a site like this, which destroys all the hard work of the distributors in Liberty League who are doing the right thing.

This person had a bad experience with a distributor, does this mean that LLI distributors are all bad, or misleading?

If you get a dodgy real estate agent, does this mean all real estate agents are bad?

Of course not.

THE business is built on integrity, selling Personal development products. This business helps people build a great life, and at the same time if you have desire, make a huge income. But it's a business, not a get rich quick scheme. It's approved by Dun and Bradstreet with AAA credit rating.

It's a business with integrity. Sure some idiots join and do the wrong thing, just like idiots buy a Mcdonalds or Wendy's franchise. Does that mean Ray Crock or the Mcdonalds brothers are bad people, of course not.

cheers
Dave.

Fixed link to LLI's 2005 income statistics. Above link was incorrect.

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Many people are asking to join my law suit and make it a class action.

I am consulting with my lawyer today. If you have a legitimate claim of loss and are interested in joining a class action leave me a voice mail and I will contact you when I have information from my lawyer

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I never went past the BF level. I was also strongly encouraged into buying the conference tickets right away on the calls and by my advisor. But I never did because I could not even make a BF sale after months in the business. Let alone the $8,000 and $13,000 conference tickets. I ended up selling the BF course on ebay with no reserve price set after I quit, just to see what people out there felt it was worth to them. It sold for a measly $100 even though it was brand new and complete. To the general public, the BF freedom course ain't worth anywhere close to $1,500 to them. The prices and conferences are just an excuse to pass money around.

The majority of people at these conferences went there not because they wanted to go, or because they could afford to go, or even because they think it's worth the price. They went because of what somebody else told them. They wanted to position themselves to be able to sell the same thing to other people and turn a buck. They came for the money, not the conferences. Because just like you, from the time you join, they literally try to shove the conferences tickets down your throat.

I guarantee a ton of people sitting at those conferences had taken out second mortgages, 401K's, sold off belongings, sold houses, sold cars, borrowed from friends, maxed out credit cards, and what have you. Nervously wondering in the back of their minds if they will be able to come out on top. And wondering what on earth will they do if the can't. Most fail. Many leave in debt. This is what prompted the investigation by the Arizona Attorney General in the first place . All you have to do is look that LLI's income disclosures for 2005 and 2006 that they had to publish as a result of the $115,000 fine. You will see that if over 80% of associates only make an average of about $7,000 a year, for at least the last two years, then most actually leave in debt after you factor in marketing expenses and conferences purchases. This completely validates the Arizona Attorney General's statements on the document itself.


www.azag.gov/press_releases/may/2006/LibertyLeagueSettlement.pdf


If it was not for the income opportunity luring folks in, people would not be paying this kind of money for these conferences. I bought BF not because I wanted it, but because I wanted to make $1,000 profits. And even that did not work for me. Most coming in are not looking for personal development products to buy, or conferences have to attend overseas. They responded to an ad to make money bottom line. Not to buy personal development products at $1,500, $8,000 and $13,000 plus international airfare to get there. There is a wealth of personal development material out there at a fraction of the cost and you won't have to fly anywhere to get it. People are attracted to the income that they are told they can make in LLI if you do what they tell you to do. That is the only reason most of them are buying the products at those prices.

LLI's own income disclosure shows that for at least the last two years now, over 80% of all active participants of LLI only make about $7,000 for the entire year. And a very very small top percentage of the entire company is even making a six figure income, or $10,000 per month, yet they account for about half the entire sales in the company. So wit this in mind, most people in LLI are statistically doing far worse than the average single American family income of about $43,200. Go figure.

2005 income disclosure:
http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96550


2006 income disclosure:
www.libertyleague.com/compliance/income_disclosure.php


There are some people in the company with some dirty little secrets.

Like Wendy Stevens for example.

She was on stage as a speaker at a Super Saturday I once attended. She got on stage and gave her little story about being a former Vanderbilt Women's Lacrosse team coach. There was absolutely nothing new taught at the Super Saturday that was not already said in the overview and training calls. So i did not understand what all they hype on the calls was all about, urging everyone to make it there anyway they could. It was just a complete reiteration of the training calls with nothing new, except on stage motivation.

What people don't know, and what Wendy Stevens did not tell people, is that Wendy Stevens is actually a convicted criminal. She has an extensive history of credit card theft and fraud.

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tcca/PDF/023/stevensw.pdf