• Report: #271446
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Liberty League International

  • Submitted: Thu, August 30, 2007
  • Updated: Fri, August 31, 2007

  • Reported By:Bullhead City Arizona
Liberty League International
14300 N Northsight Blvd #210 Scottsdale, Arizona U.S.A.

Liberty League International Should of listened to the BBB warnings! Ripoff Scottsdale Arizona

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: A reply.

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I was looking for a home based business when I came across Liberty League on the internet. It looked interesting, and I loved the fact that you could make so much money. I signed up at the end of Sept. 2006. Spending my $1495.00 plus tax. I was so excited that I was going to be able to make so much money. Soon after I was being presured to buy the Liberty and Summit conference tickets, these tickets were $7995.00 and $12995.00.

I soon became really frustrated with my advisor Zanaida Lorenzo, I would ask questions about what to do next and all she would do is say wait a few weeks until the new back office was up, and to keep practicing my telephone script. When they recruit you, you are told that you will get all the help you need, they don't tell you it is a whole bunch of training calls that make you feel really small because you don't have these two tickets. Some of these calls you were not even allowed to speak out if you haven't bought a ticket or recruited anyone.

After the new website came online I was soon made aware of all the extra fees that you are required to pay. You pay them to use the website, conferencing system and to host your website. There are also many more hidden cost that you end up paying for in order to run the business, on top of all the advertising costs.

I worked this hard for two months, and I had no results. On top of this the pressure to buy the two conference tickets is unbelievable. They try to get you to mortgage your house, sell something, or use your credit cards. I finally applied for more credit cards and bought the Liberty conference ticket for $7995.00 on Nov. 2 2006. Me and my husband were now totaly tapped out, by the end of November I ran out of money to run this business. I had spent over $13,000. We were out of money period.

I was now pressured to buy a special event ticket to go to Las Vegas, NV in January to attend an event Zanaida Lorenzo and other top performers were going to attend. We spent the $200.00 and went hoping to learn an inexpensive way to run this business. What I haven't told you was that I fell during Thanksgiving vacation and hurt my back. I thought it would get better no problem, I was wrong. By the time I attended this event I was on heavy painkillers and could barely sit. How I made it through this event, I couldn't tell you. Within a couple of days I could no longer sit or drive and could barely walk. I found out that I had herniated a disk in my back and it was rubbing on my siatic nerve. I had back surgery on March 25, 2007, I will have to have another surgery later on down the line. Surprisingly Zanaida quit calling me a few days after the event in January. I feel she saw that I would not be able to work the business and I wasn't worth her time.

I have since requested a refund for my Liberty ticket but it has been denied. I now have filed a complaint with the BBB. So far I was willing to let it go if I can get this money back. I really feel that I should get it all back due to the way they get you to sign up. Another interesting fact is that alot of the top earners are involved in developoing programs for Liberty League. We end up paying for these programs. Are they making their money off sponsering people or by the stuff we are forced to pay for.

Bullhead City, Arizona

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/30/2007 05:14 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/liberty-league-international/scottsdale-arizona-86426/liberty-league-international-should-of-listened-to-the-bbb-warnings-ripoff-scottsdale-ari-271446. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

It is understandable that any legitimate business will have it's operating expenses. That goes without saying. However, what bothered me was learning that Mr. John Lavenia was actually (probably still is) the owner of one of the recommended "lead vendors". This means that every new member buying the leads LLI "recommends" from that company was making John money. I spent thousands on buying his leads, so I should know. And Mr. Don Glanville owned (probably still does) the website hosting service "Quicklister" that a lot of associates are utilizing. So that made him a lot of cash also. Yet almost nobody doing the business knows this.

So what's the big deal with that you ask? Well, I don't know about you, but I just don't like the idea that the company will position a few of the top earners who are marketing the same program that I am, in such a way that they earn a profit from each new member coming in who buys what the company is recommending they buy like leads. And yet they never tell you who actually owns them.

No matter what they like to say, the main reason you failed is because LLI or your advisor Zanaida never taught you how to drive massive internet traffic to your "personal" website (not the corporate site), or how to do effective fee advertising by using Craigslist for example. You can reach far more people placing your ads in Craigslist that you ever could with expensive classifieds and for FREE. And if you know how to do it, you can place as many ads as you want, again all FREE. Yet there are not teaching you this. No, instead they are telling you to go place expensive newspaper ads anywhere you could (except South Dakota where LLI is banned from doing business) that are already over-saturated with other LLI ads, and spend $300 plus on a batch of 100 leads that have already been resold to other people besides yourself.

The bottom line is that the top earners are doing other things that they are not telling you as far as marketing is concerned. Why don't they want to tell you? Because if they do, you then become their direct competitor. I don't care what anyone says or claims, or what you've heard before. That is why and I'm sick and tired of it.

Here is the deal with a lot of lead vendor companies. The so called "real time leads" they generate are simply people who submitted their personal info somewhere online just to receive some type of free gift, prize, or other promotion. Then each lead is sold to at least two different people besides yourself.

I was in LLI, and I fully understand what your mentioning.
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